g*q
发帖数: 26623 | 1 【 以下文字转载自 SanFrancisco 讨论区 】
发信人: gjq (不好啦,咕咚掉到井里啦), 信区: SanFrancisco
标 题: LGBT要求小学允许异装癖男子用女厕所
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Feb 28 13:34:29 2013, 美东)
(CNN) -- A Colorado school's ruling over a transgender child has sparked
questions that could affect schools all over the country.
Which bathroom should be used by a child who identifies as a different
gender from his or her body? Where's the line between accommodation and
discrimination? At what point is a child old enough for that to even be an
issue?
The case focuses on Coy Mathis, a 6-year-old born with a boy's body. She
identifies as a girl, and her family is raising her as a girl.
In kindergarten, she used the girl's bathroom with no problem, the family
says. But this year, with Coy in first grade, the principal called to set up
a meeting to discuss bathroom use. In advance of the meeting, the family
asked what the policies are.
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"We were told that there were no written policies and that the options would
be for Coy to use the boys' restroom or the staff bathroom or the nurse's
bathroom for the sick children, which were both on the opposite end of the
building," Coy's father, Jeremy Mathis, said on CNN's "Starting Point" on
Thursday.
That "would stigmatize her, having to be the only one having to go to a
different bathroom, so we weren't OK with that."
The family contacted the Transgender Legal Defense and Education Fund. When
an attorney with that group could not work something out with the school,
the group filed a state civil rights complaint on the family's behalf.
In the meantime, Coy is being home schooled -- partly because her parents
fear bullies may make fun of her.
"The district firmly believes it has acted reasonably and fairly with
respect to this issue," the school district's attorney, W. Kelly Dude, said
in a written statement. "However, the district believes the appropriate and
proper forum for discussing the issues identified in the charge is through
the Division of Civil Rights process. The district is preparing a response
to the charge which it will submit to the division. Therefore, the district
will not comment further on this matter out of respect for the process which
the parents have initiated."
The school calls Coy a girl as the family wishes, Dude said.
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When "his male genitals develop ..."
The school laid out some of its argument in a letter to the Mathis family's
attorney in December:
The district "took into account not only Coy, but other students in the
building, their parents and the future impact a boy with male genitals using
a girls' bathroom would have as Coy grew older," the letter said.
"As Coy grows older and his male genitals develop along with the rest of his
body," it said, "at least some parents and students are likely to become
uncomfortable with his continued use of the girls' restroom."
Kathryn Mathis, Coy's mother, rejects that explanation. "The immediate
problem with that is we're not in middle school yet, we're not in high
school yet," she said Thursday. "And they're punishing a 6-year-old for
something that hasn't happened and may not happen.
"Her body development is none of their business. That is up to her and her
doctors in the future. That's not something that we're at right now. And
right now we need to be protecting a 6-year-old, not a middle-schooler or a
high-schooler."
Coy sat with her parents during the interview with CNN.
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What establishes discrimination?
Colorado law prohibits "discrimination in employment, housing and places of
public accommodations against an individual based upon actual or perceived
sexual orientation. Sexual orientation is defined as heterosexuality,
homosexuality (lesbian or gay), bisexuality, and transgender status.
Transgender status means a gender identity or gender expression that differs
from societal expectations based on gender assigned at birth."
It does not explicitly state that a transgender individual should be allowed
to use a bathroom for people of the gender with which that individual
identifies.
Dude, the Colorado school district's attorney, has said there is no such
requirement for public schools.
But Jeremy Mathis told CNN he believes "the wording of the law is very solid
, and I believe that they're in direct violation of it. They are, in fact,
discriminating."
"Forcing her to use a separate bathroom from all the rest of the kids or
forcing a little girl to go into he boys' room," he said, is "not OK."
Coy's case will be the first to challenge a restroom restriction under the
state's anti-discrimination act, the Transgender Legal Defense and Education
Fund said.
Coy's passport and state-issued identification recognize her as female.
"For many transgender people, discrimination is a daily part of life," says
Michael Silverman, an attorney with the fund. "Unfortunately for Coy, it has
started very early."
"The world is going to be looking at the school," he said, adding that the
case can "send a message to the world and teach tolerance, fair play and
equal rights."
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A little-studied group
Transgender children experience a disconnect between their sex, which is
based on their anatomy, and their gender, which includes behaviors, roles
and activities, experts say.
For the general public, transgender identity may be a new concept, though
many might recall Chaz Bono, the child of entertainers Sonny and Cher. Born
female, Bono underwent a transition in his 40s to become a man. He wrote in
his book "Transition" that, even as a child, he had been "aware of a part of
me that did not fit."
He appeared last year as a man on "Dancing with the Stars," in part, he said
, to destigmatize being transgender.
Gender nonconformity is not a disorder, world group says
Comprehensive data and studies about transgender children are rare.
International studies have estimated that anywhere from 1 in 30,000 to 1 in
1,000 people are transgender.
Some children as young as age 3 show early signs of gender dysphoria, or
gender identity disorder, mental health experts who work with transgender
children say.
These children are not intersex -- they do not have a physical disorder or
malformation of their sexual organs. The gender issue exists in the brain,
though experts do not agree on whether it's psychologically or
physiologically based.
Many transgender people report feeling discomfort with their gender as early
as they can remember.
Transgender job seekers face uphill battle
Gender identity is often confused with sexual orientation. The difference is
that "gender identity is who you are, and sexual orientation is who you
want to have sex with," said Dr. Johanna Olson, a professor of clinical
pediatrics at the University of Southern California, who treats transgender
children.
Children around age 3 are probably not interested in sexual orientation, she
said. But experts say some children who look like they will be transgender
in early childhood turn out to be gay, lesbian or bisexual.
School policies toward transgender students vary across the United States.
In New York, for example, the law says students can't be discriminated
against on the basis of their gender identity.
But in Maine, a court ruled in November that a school district did not
violate a transgender student's rights when she was told she couldn't use
the girls' bathroom.
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Reaction to Coy's story
CNN's online audience has responded to this story with a range of questions
and comments, with many insisting the child is too young to comprehend
gender differences. Mostly, posters said they felt sorrow for Coy as a child
who is struggling.
"Just let the kid use the gender-neutral bathrooms. When he/she is a teen,
if he is still convinced he is a girl, maybe then you can get into it with
the school," said commenter EDM.
"This kid is going to have a hard enough life if he really is transsexual,
why start fighting battles now, when he should just be blissfully ignorant"?
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Commenter AlawJ said the story left a "negative impression of the parents."
"My rash view may be unfair, but I remember being that age and have helped
raise 9 nieces and nephews. One wanted to be a firetruck and ran around
making truck noises. Another one of the boys liked to play dress up with the
girls," AlawJ wrote. "My fiance's little brother always wore dresses as
well. But, at the end of the day, the parents are there to be the adults and
make decisions for them.
"I also am a little weary when you read a story where the parents are filing
lawsuits for their 6 year old child's rights." | b*****d
发帖数: 61690 | | m**c
发帖数: 7299 | 3 变态人渣的变态理论，就应该禁止这些不男不女的东西使用任何厕所，滚去变态星球自
己找厕所去吧。 | n**n
发帖数: 1489 | 4 传说中的第三性别：秀吉。。。
【在 g*q 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 SanFrancisco 讨论区 】
: 发信人: gjq (不好啦,咕咚掉到井里啦), 信区: SanFrancisco
: 标 题: LGBT要求小学允许异装癖男子用女厕所
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Feb 28 13:34:29 2013, 美东)
: (CNN) -- A Colorado school's ruling over a transgender child has sparked
: questions that could affect schools all over the country.
: Which bathroom should be used by a child who identifies as a different
: gender from his or her body? Where's the line between accommodation and
: discrimination? At what point is a child old enough for that to even be an
: issue?
| d*****u
发帖数: 17243 | 5 美国人有个倾向就是什么都认为是天生的
偷东西是天生的
性侵犯是天生的
数学不好是天生的
然后还研究出一大堆心理疾病
什么阅读障碍，什么数学障碍
有时候我觉得太过了
【在 g*q 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 SanFrancisco 讨论区 】
: 发信人: gjq (不好啦,咕咚掉到井里啦), 信区: SanFrancisco
: 标 题: LGBT要求小学允许异装癖男子用女厕所
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Feb 28 13:34:29 2013, 美东)
: (CNN) -- A Colorado school's ruling over a transgender child has sparked
: questions that could affect schools all over the country.
: Which bathroom should be used by a child who identifies as a different
: gender from his or her body? Where's the line between accommodation and
: discrimination? At what point is a child old enough for that to even be an
: issue?
| l********k
发帖数: 14844 | | w******g
发帖数: 559 | 7 这是美国统治阶级的高超之处。
什么都是天生的。其实统治者最喜欢了。
仔细看哈利波特都知道。里面到处都在暗示，哈利有天生的王者气质，为什么？因为他
是大人物的儿子，有大人物的血统。尽管开始不显，但是后面那股王霸之气怎么也挡不
住。
这是英国贵族统治的遗风，目的就是让那些生活不断碰壁的屁民死心。不要像中国人一
样，喜欢当官的人那么多。要乖乖滴认为自己就是比不过那些骨子里就有王八之气的人。
美国学英国这套是十足十的。
整套系统其实关键在于：能力的评价必须也只能以实践功绩为准。那那些贵公子，手里
人脉、资源一大堆，做事就比别人更容易成功。最后自然就是“我天生有王者之气”
--------------------
不过还好，美国人要面子一点。还不像英国人一样赤裸裸地宣传王者之血的理论。但是
看看美漫里超级英雄有几个草根出身，只有一个蜘蛛侠。
美国统治者不喜欢，或者不太敢说：成功和才能都是天生的。所以就变本加厉地反着来
：失败和不足都是天生的。
搞了一大堆心里疾病和精神障碍出来。这样，明面上没有冒犯人人平等。实际上，早把
能力天生的观念直入人心。
【在 d*****u 的大作中提到】
: 美国人有个倾向就是什么都认为是天生的
: 偷东西是天生的
: 性侵犯是天生的
: 数学不好是天生的
: 然后还研究出一大堆心理疾病
: 什么阅读障碍，什么数学障碍
: 有时候我觉得太过了
| N***i
发帖数: 4104 | 8 应该修三个厕所，公共厕所、直男厕所、直女厕所，以体现对可耻的异性恋变态分子的
歧视，不准他们上公共厕所。
【在 g*q 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 SanFrancisco 讨论区 】
: 发信人: gjq (不好啦,咕咚掉到井里啦), 信区: SanFrancisco
: 标 题: LGBT要求小学允许异装癖男子用女厕所
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Feb 28 13:34:29 2013, 美东)
: (CNN) -- A Colorado school's ruling over a transgender child has sparked
: questions that could affect schools all over the country.
: Which bathroom should be used by a child who identifies as a different
: gender from his or her body? Where's the line between accommodation and
: discrimination? At what point is a child old enough for that to even be an
: issue?
|
| d*****u
发帖数: 17243 | 9 其结果就是男的都去“公共厕所”
绝大多数女的只去“直女厕所”
【在 N***i 的大作中提到】
: 应该修三个厕所，公共厕所、直男厕所、直女厕所，以体现对可耻的异性恋变态分子的
: 歧视，不准他们上公共厕所。
| N***i
发帖数: 4104 | 10 一小撮男异性恋变态，都是脸上刺了字的，被大众嘲笑看不起的，还敢去公共厕所，不
怕被唾沫星子喷死？
【在 d*****u 的大作中提到】
: 其结果就是男的都去“公共厕所”
: 绝大多数女的只去“直女厕所”
| | | d******a
发帖数: 32122 | 11 除了他所在学校外
这类人到其他公共场合，如何使用厕所？总不能也大摇大摆上女厕所吧？
【在 g*q 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 SanFrancisco 讨论区 】
: 发信人: gjq (不好啦,咕咚掉到井里啦), 信区: SanFrancisco
: 标 题: LGBT要求小学允许异装癖男子用女厕所
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Feb 28 13:34:29 2013, 美东)
: (CNN) -- A Colorado school's ruling over a transgender child has sparked
: questions that could affect schools all over the country.
: Which bathroom should be used by a child who identifies as a different
: gender from his or her body? Where's the line between accommodation and
: discrimination? At what point is a child old enough for that to even be an
: issue?
| t****v
发帖数: 9235 | 12 厕所分男女是农业文明时代产物
现代厕所都有隔间，男女可以混用没问题。 | m**c
发帖数: 7299 | 13 不让用还行，歧视吗。
本文转到酷儿歪曲新闻版，立马把我封了14天，可见这些人渣对正常新闻害怕到什么程
度。
【在 d******a 的大作中提到】
: 除了他所在学校外
: 这类人到其他公共场合，如何使用厕所？总不能也大摇大摆上女厕所吧？
| t****v
发帖数: 9235 | 14 liangzhi就是希望变性男看他的小鸡鸡
舍不得他们去女厕所 | w********n
发帖数: 4752 | 15 你看了阿三的鸡鸡也没事啊
【在 t****v 的大作中提到】
: liangzhi就是希望变性男看他的小鸡鸡
: 舍不得他们去女厕所
| m**c
发帖数: 7299 | 16 走地鸡啥时候住进监狱，去见你的变态教教主？
【在 t****v 的大作中提到】
: liangzhi就是希望变性男看他的小鸡鸡
: 舍不得他们去女厕所
| a**********t
发帖数: 774 | 17 操场上竖一个honey bucket就好了
【在 N***i 的大作中提到】
: 应该修三个厕所，公共厕所、直男厕所、直女厕所，以体现对可耻的异性恋变态分子的
: 歧视，不准他们上公共厕所。
| t****v
发帖数: 9235 | 18 现代文明
厕所应该一人一间
或者男女合用，都是小隔间
解决女性上厕所难的问题
【在 t****v 的大作中提到】
: 厕所分男女是农业文明时代产物
: 现代厕所都有隔间，男女可以混用没问题。
| m**c
发帖数: 7299 | 19 你们变态类，非男非女，就别跟着胡搅了。
【在 t****v 的大作中提到】
: 现代文明
: 厕所应该一人一间
: 或者男女合用，都是小隔间
: 解决女性上厕所难的问题
| t****v
发帖数: 9235 | 20 猥琐男态度令人大跌眼镜
难道变性去女厕所不应该欢呼吗？
猥琐男喜欢和变性男一起如厕？
脑子里都想什么呢。 | | | m**c
发帖数: 7299 | 21 变性是指切掉JJ重新作人，而不识自己认为变态就变了态。
【在 t****v 的大作中提到】
: 猥琐男态度令人大跌眼镜
: 难道变性去女厕所不应该欢呼吗？
: 猥琐男喜欢和变性男一起如厕？
: 脑子里都想什么呢。
| C**V
发帖数: 2198 | 22 the school district's attorney, W. Kelly Dude, said in a written statement.
真能凑到一起啊， Kelly the Dude. | C*******f
发帖数: 13152 | 23 这是个6岁的小孩，大家没必要太mean。我相信有天生的，以前看过60分钟还是什么的
节目采访，一个很漂亮的小姑娘，真的我见犹怜的那种，但是“男性”，一两岁起家长
发现不对劲，喜欢和女孩一起玩，只玩女孩的玩具，要求穿女孩的衣服，问他你是男的
女的，他都说是女的，找心理医生辅导，父母被指责是母亲陪孩子的时间太长导致的，
于是就改为父亲陪小孩玩，只让玩男孩的游戏和玩具，但根本不管用。后来才知道，确
实有人是先天的性别认知错乱。于是也不纠结了，小时候靠吃激素，等长大够岁数做变
性手术。这种跟gay不一样，小孩其实很可怜，只能说是上帝开了个玩笑。 | g*q
发帖数: 26623 | 24 绝对不是什么天生.都是NC爹妈养成这样的
【在 C*******f 的大作中提到】
: 这是个6岁的小孩，大家没必要太mean。我相信有天生的，以前看过60分钟还是什么的
: 节目采访，一个很漂亮的小姑娘，真的我见犹怜的那种，但是“男性”，一两岁起家长
: 发现不对劲，喜欢和女孩一起玩，只玩女孩的玩具，要求穿女孩的衣服，问他你是男的
: 女的，他都说是女的，找心理医生辅导，父母被指责是母亲陪孩子的时间太长导致的，
: 于是就改为父亲陪小孩玩，只让玩男孩的游戏和玩具，但根本不管用。后来才知道，确
: 实有人是先天的性别认知错乱。于是也不纠结了，小时候靠吃激素，等长大够岁数做变
: 性手术。这种跟gay不一样，小孩其实很可怜，只能说是上帝开了个玩笑。
| C*******f
发帖数: 13152 | 25 一两岁的时候，爹妈还能怎么养？大家能有多少区别啊，那不成还有爹妈对着儿子不停
地说你是女的不成。我说的节目里，人家很快就找了医生来指导了。就算以前教育有问
题，两岁之后的还搬不过来？你能记得两岁之前的事吗？
【在 g*q 的大作中提到】
: 绝对不是什么天生.都是NC爹妈养成这样的
| q******s
发帖数: 7469 | 26 都是乡下人没见过世面的。澳洲很多地方的厕所已经男女公用了。因为女的起诉说性别
歧视女厕所的吨位太少，结果就男女厕所共用。美国好多的酒吧餐馆也已经公用了。反
正每人一间。
【在 g*q 的大作中提到】
: 绝对不是什么天生.都是NC爹妈养成这样的
| j*******n
发帖数: 3254 | 27 re
【在 m**c 的大作中提到】
: 不让用还行，歧视吗。
: 本文转到酷儿歪曲新闻版，立马把我封了14天，可见这些人渣对正常新闻害怕到什么程
: 度。
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