c*********y
发帖数: 3348 | 1 China is Cheating the World Student Rankings System
Enough is enough: Beijing must supply national data to assessors and not
simply the results of a small minority of elite students
The results from a global exam that evaluates students’ reading, science
and math skills are in and, once again, Chinese students appear to be
reigning supreme while American students continued to underperform.
But before you shake your head ruefully and scoff at the decline of Western-
style education, take a look at how the data is organized.
The OECD’s Program for International Student Assessment (PISA) exams are
held every three years. Coming first and third respectively in the 2012
exams are the Chinese cities of Shanghai and Hong Kong.
However, China is uniquely not listed as a country in the rankings — unlike
the U.S., Russia, Germany, Australia and other nations judged on the basis
of their country-wide performances. Instead, China only shares Shanghai’s
score with PISA. (Hong Kong, a Special Autonomous Region of China, sends its
own data.)
Shanghainese and Hong Kong students are much better educated than those
elsewhere in China. Slate quoted the Brookings Institution’s Tom Loveless
as saying that “About 84 percent of Shanghai high school graduates go to
college, compared to 24 percent nationally.” In addition, Loveless points
out that affluent Shanghainese parents will spend large sums on extra
tuition for the children — paying fees that far exceed what an average
worker makes in a year.
By not providing full national data, China is in effect cheating.
As Loveless noted earlier this year, Shanghai’s test scores “will be
depicted, in much of the public discussion that follows, as the results for
China.” He added: “that is wrong.”
All of a sudden, rote-learning doesn’t look like China’s secret weapon.
[NPR, Brookings]
Read more: World Student Rankings: China Is Cheating the PISA System | TIME.
com http://world.time.com/2013/12/04/china-is-cheating-the-world-student-rankings-system/#ixzz2mWgWqdgq |
c*********y
发帖数: 3348 | |
c****o
发帖数: 2071 | 3 Shanghainese have the lowest IQ of all China, that is for sure.
【在 c*********y 的大作中提到】
: 说不定上海是最低的，怕美帝不好意思，报出来的。
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m**********n
发帖数: 27535 | 4 傻逼美国佬，cheating你麻痹，谁说上海等于中国了 |
K*****2
发帖数: 9308 | |
E******w
发帖数: 2616 | 6 不过我觉得中国的成绩是有点问题。最后的成绩只能说明美国很差，并不能说明中国领
先那么多。
Western-
【在 c*********y 的大作中提到】
: China is Cheating the World Student Rankings System
: Enough is enough: Beijing must supply national data to assessors and not
: simply the results of a small minority of elite students
: The results from a global exam that evaluates students’ reading, science
: and math skills are in and, once again, Chinese students appear to be
: reigning supreme while American students continued to underperform.
: But before you shake your head ruefully and scoff at the decline of Western-
: style education, take a look at how the data is organized.
: The OECD’s Program for International Student Assessment (PISA) exams are
: held every three years. Coming first and third respectively in the 2012
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N*****m
发帖数: 42603 | 7 peng
Western-
【在 c*********y 的大作中提到】
: China is Cheating the World Student Rankings System
: Enough is enough: Beijing must supply national data to assessors and not
: simply the results of a small minority of elite students
: The results from a global exam that evaluates students’ reading, science
: and math skills are in and, once again, Chinese students appear to be
: reigning supreme while American students continued to underperform.
: But before you shake your head ruefully and scoff at the decline of Western-
: style education, take a look at how the data is organized.
: The OECD’s Program for International Student Assessment (PISA) exams are
: held every three years. Coming first and third respectively in the 2012
|
c****3
发帖数: 10787 | 8 论考试能力，中国人GRE的分数都比英语母语的还高。
北京，上海这种大城市的学生，考试成绩比外地的差，全国比美国更傻了。 |
c*********y
发帖数: 3348 | |
m********s
发帖数: 55301 | 10 这说的是政府，不是中国老百姓。
没事儿
Western-
【在 c*********y 的大作中提到】
: China is Cheating the World Student Rankings System
: Enough is enough: Beijing must supply national data to assessors and not
: simply the results of a small minority of elite students
: The results from a global exam that evaluates students’ reading, science
: and math skills are in and, once again, Chinese students appear to be
: reigning supreme while American students continued to underperform.
: But before you shake your head ruefully and scoff at the decline of Western-
: style education, take a look at how the data is organized.
: The OECD’s Program for International Student Assessment (PISA) exams are
: held every three years. Coming first and third respectively in the 2012
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b**k
发帖数: 3472 | 11 典型的美国人思维，想当然的人为大城市的学生更能考，其实在中国这点是不成立的，
小城镇的才是考霸
Western-
【在 c*********y 的大作中提到】
: China is Cheating the World Student Rankings System
: Enough is enough: Beijing must supply national data to assessors and not
: simply the results of a small minority of elite students
: The results from a global exam that evaluates students’ reading, science
: and math skills are in and, once again, Chinese students appear to be
: reigning supreme while American students continued to underperform.
: But before you shake your head ruefully and scoff at the decline of Western-
: style education, take a look at how the data is organized.
: The OECD’s Program for International Student Assessment (PISA) exams are
: held every three years. Coming first and third respectively in the 2012
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s*****V
发帖数: 21731 | 12 从平均水平来说，上海肯定是中国最强的
【在 b**k 的大作中提到】
: 典型的美国人思维，想当然的人为大城市的学生更能考，其实在中国这点是不成立的，
: 小城镇的才是考霸
:
: Western-
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m*********s
发帖数: 566 | 13 美国也可以把nyc，chicago的成绩单列么，不是更要哭死。
【在 b**k 的大作中提到】
: 典型的美国人思维，想当然的人为大城市的学生更能考，其实在中国这点是不成立的，
: 小城镇的才是考霸
:
: Western-
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b**k
发帖数: 3472 | 14 从复旦交大的录取成绩看你这个说法是不成立的
【在 s*****V 的大作中提到】
: 从平均水平来说，上海肯定是中国最强的
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s*****V
发帖数: 21731 | 15 不要想当然了，上海当然是中国教育水平最高的地方，平均来说。 你看看上海出过多
少奥赛金牌
【在 m*********s 的大作中提到】
: 美国也可以把nyc，chicago的成绩单列么，不是更要哭死。
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m*********s
发帖数: 566 | 16 上海那些奥赛金牌都是从全国招的理科班学生。
【在 s*****V 的大作中提到】
: 不要想当然了，上海当然是中国教育水平最高的地方，平均来说。 你看看上海出过多
: 少奥赛金牌
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s*****V
发帖数: 21731 | 17 你这是什么逻辑，复旦交大在上海召多少人？况且上海就一个市人口跟湖南那几个没法比
【在 b**k 的大作中提到】
: 从复旦交大的录取成绩看你这个说法是不成立的
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s*****V
发帖数: 21731 | 18 所以说上海教育水平最高而不是人种最好
【在 m*********s 的大作中提到】
: 上海那些奥赛金牌都是从全国招的理科班学生。
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w********g
发帖数: 3780 | 19 上海的教育水平肯定是名列前茅的, 是不是中国第一很难说.
不过这篇文章透露了无尽的酸味.
Interesting
Western-
【在 c*********y 的大作中提到】
: China is Cheating the World Student Rankings System
: Enough is enough: Beijing must supply national data to assessors and not
: simply the results of a small minority of elite students
: The results from a global exam that evaluates students’ reading, science
: and math skills are in and, once again, Chinese students appear to be
: reigning supreme while American students continued to underperform.
: But before you shake your head ruefully and scoff at the decline of Western-
: style education, take a look at how the data is organized.
: The OECD’s Program for International Student Assessment (PISA) exams are
: held every three years. Coming first and third respectively in the 2012
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f*********5
发帖数: 367 | 20 由于人口基数的原因，上海最强的10个学生可能没山东最强的10个学生好，但是上海的
平均分肯定比其它省份好。由于经济基础，上海最差的不会太差就是了。 |
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b**k
发帖数: 3472 | 21 在上海的分数线很低啊
法比
【在 s*****V 的大作中提到】
: 你这是什么逻辑，复旦交大在上海召多少人？况且上海就一个市人口跟湖南那几个没法比
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c****3
发帖数: 10787 | 22 分数肯定是不行的，北京也是一样。论综合能力，北京上海的学生倒是不错。
不过这里讲的是考试能力，不是综合能力
【在 f*********5 的大作中提到】
: 由于人口基数的原因，上海最强的10个学生可能没山东最强的10个学生好，但是上海的
: 平均分肯定比其它省份好。由于经济基础，上海最差的不会太差就是了。
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r**m
发帖数: 2823 | 23 脑残左逼搞AA把教育搞成这样。中国随便哪个村拿出来也不会比泥鸽劳模差。。
Western-
【在 c*********y 的大作中提到】
: China is Cheating the World Student Rankings System
: Enough is enough: Beijing must supply national data to assessors and not
: simply the results of a small minority of elite students
: The results from a global exam that evaluates students’ reading, science
: and math skills are in and, once again, Chinese students appear to be
: reigning supreme while American students continued to underperform.
: But before you shake your head ruefully and scoff at the decline of Western-
: style education, take a look at how the data is organized.
: The OECD’s Program for International Student Assessment (PISA) exams are
: held every three years. Coming first and third respectively in the 2012
|
s*****r
发帖数: 11545 | 24 "About 84 percent of Shanghai high school graduates go to
college, compared to 24 percent nationally." This does not necessarily mean
kids in Shanghai are smarter, it is more likely that the admission standard
for are much lower.
I wonder where American's critical thinking, which is their pride, has gone? |
l*********u
发帖数: 19053 | 25 美帝酸的 ：）美国佬数学真的很烂，他们自己不愿承认而已 ：）
俺买车时，有个financing rebate，借最少７０００刀就合格,给１０００刀dissount
。俺转个月就把７０００刀还了，拿了１０００刀：）当时见识了老美的数学有多烂
：）
Western-
【在 c*********y 的大作中提到】
: China is Cheating the World Student Rankings System
: Enough is enough: Beijing must supply national data to assessors and not
: simply the results of a small minority of elite students
: The results from a global exam that evaluates students’ reading, science
: and math skills are in and, once again, Chinese students appear to be
: reigning supreme while American students continued to underperform.
: But before you shake your head ruefully and scoff at the decline of Western-
: style education, take a look at how the data is organized.
: The OECD’s Program for International Student Assessment (PISA) exams are
: held every three years. Coming first and third respectively in the 2012
|
k***s
发帖数: 214 | 26 尼玛，这也叫cheating
Western-
【在 c*********y 的大作中提到】
: China is Cheating the World Student Rankings System
: Enough is enough: Beijing must supply national data to assessors and not
: simply the results of a small minority of elite students
: The results from a global exam that evaluates students’ reading, science
: and math skills are in and, once again, Chinese students appear to be
: reigning supreme while American students continued to underperform.
: But before you shake your head ruefully and scoff at the decline of Western-
: style education, take a look at how the data is organized.
: The OECD’s Program for International Student Assessment (PISA) exams are
: held every three years. Coming first and third respectively in the 2012
|
l*****0
发帖数: 1207 | 27 不论这是不是真的，问题是全世界最多的华人国家都排在前面，所以美国嫉妒也没用
Western-
【在 c*********y 的大作中提到】
: China is Cheating the World Student Rankings System
: Enough is enough: Beijing must supply national data to assessors and not
: simply the results of a small minority of elite students
: The results from a global exam that evaluates students’ reading, science
: and math skills are in and, once again, Chinese students appear to be
: reigning supreme while American students continued to underperform.
: But before you shake your head ruefully and scoff at the decline of Western-
: style education, take a look at how the data is organized.
: The OECD’s Program for International Student Assessment (PISA) exams are
: held every three years. Coming first and third respectively in the 2012
|
s*****r
发帖数: 11545 | 28 Didn't they charge you a fee for early payment?
dissount
【在 l*********u 的大作中提到】
: 美帝酸的 ：）美国佬数学真的很烂，他们自己不愿承认而已 ：）
: 俺买车时，有个financing rebate，借最少７０００刀就合格,给１０００刀dissount
: 。俺转个月就把７０００刀还了，拿了１０００刀：）当时见识了老美的数学有多烂
: ：）
:
: Western-
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k**0
发帖数: 19737 | 29 胡扯，阿乡才以为只有自己会读书
【在 b**k 的大作中提到】
: 在上海的分数线很低啊
:
: 法比
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n**n
发帖数: 1489 | 30 分数线低是因为录取比例高吧
【在 b**k 的大作中提到】
: 在上海的分数线很低啊
:
: 法比
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d*****u
发帖数: 17243 | 31 其实可以考察北大清华复旦上交等学校里上海学生在尖子生里的比例
根据我的观察，不高
如果PISA下次换到武汉长沙之类的地方，分数会更突出 |
l******r
发帖数: 18699 | 32 一个蓝翔技校都能秒杀mit
这篇社论绝对是阿三的文笔
Western-
【在 c*********y 的大作中提到】
: China is Cheating the World Student Rankings System
: Enough is enough: Beijing must supply national data to assessors and not
: simply the results of a small minority of elite students
: The results from a global exam that evaluates students’ reading, science
: and math skills are in and, once again, Chinese students appear to be
: reigning supreme while American students continued to underperform.
: But before you shake your head ruefully and scoff at the decline of Western-
: style education, take a look at how the data is organized.
: The OECD’s Program for International Student Assessment (PISA) exams are
: held every three years. Coming first and third respectively in the 2012
|
l*********u
发帖数: 19053 | 33 if there was a early pay out fee, it was less than $50 :)
【在 s*****r 的大作中提到】
: Didn't they charge you a fee for early payment?
:
: dissount
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l*******g
发帖数: 1263 | 34 据我观察上海生源在复旦成绩都很好，不要说工作都找的比外地的同学强。
【在 d*****u 的大作中提到】
: 其实可以考察北大清华复旦上交等学校里上海学生在尖子生里的比例
: 根据我的观察，不高
: 如果PISA下次换到武汉长沙之类的地方，分数会更突出
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d*****u
发帖数: 17243 | 35 找工作不光是看成绩，这个不好比较
江苏、浙江什么的确实有很多学习很好的
不过跟湖北、湖南、四川乃至东北省份比起来也不算突出
倒是山东、河南确实不行
【在 l*******g 的大作中提到】
: 据我观察上海生源在复旦成绩都很好，不要说工作都找的比外地的同学强。
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s*****r
发帖数: 11545 | 36 Well, this could mean that they could make a profit by selling you that
piece of merchandise at 6k USD. They were willing to accept a lower sale
price because the risk was very low in a case like yours. Besides, most
American need financing, and the rebate can be covered by the interest rate
they charged.
【在 l*********u 的大作中提到】
: if there was a early pay out fee, it was less than $50 :)
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s******d
发帖数: 9806 | 37 在中国，农村人根本没有获得奥林匹克竞赛教育的权利，每个省都是某几所名校垄断学
科竞赛。
【在 s*****V 的大作中提到】
: 不要想当然了，上海当然是中国教育水平最高的地方，平均来说。 你看看上海出过多
: 少奥赛金牌
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d*****u
发帖数: 17243 | 38 选送到冬令营的都是省一等奖里选拔出来的
这里面猫腻很多
【在 s******d 的大作中提到】
: 在中国，农村人根本没有获得奥林匹克竞赛教育的权利，每个省都是某几所名校垄断学
: 科竞赛。
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a****c
发帖数: 3827 | 39 这该不是说奥运会吧？
如果说学科竞赛，这玩意教育出来的没用，真牛的就是天分。
【在 s******d 的大作中提到】
: 在中国，农村人根本没有获得奥林匹克竞赛教育的权利，每个省都是某几所名校垄断学
: 科竞赛。
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a****c
发帖数: 3827 | 40 美媒不敢质疑这个考试的设计有问题，就挑中国这个软柿子捏吗？ |
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k**1
发帖数: 1955 | 41 Looking my grandson and granddaughter's home works, I think China does not
cheat anybody. They are in the best elementary school in Santa Clara County
. Their school API is 998 (full score is 1000). However, what they teaching
is way below the Chinese after school.
Western-
【在 c*********y 的大作中提到】
: China is Cheating the World Student Rankings System
: Enough is enough: Beijing must supply national data to assessors and not
: simply the results of a small minority of elite students
: The results from a global exam that evaluates students’ reading, science
: and math skills are in and, once again, Chinese students appear to be
: reigning supreme while American students continued to underperform.
: But before you shake your head ruefully and scoff at the decline of Western-
: style education, take a look at how the data is organized.
: The OECD’s Program for International Student Assessment (PISA) exams are
: held every three years. Coming first and third respectively in the 2012
|
f******y
发帖数: 2971 | 42 从考分上看上海的确是中国最低的几个省之一。
【在 c*********y 的大作中提到】
: 说不定上海是最低的，怕美帝不好意思，报出来的。
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w*********g
发帖数: 30882 | 43 可以解释为什么在西方国家，中国人每到一处，这个地方的很多优惠就取消了。 |
