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机器翻译的,凑合着看。补充一点:我认为男女结婚和生育宝宝之前,应该都测一测智
商,其中一方低于85的,不应该鼓励结婚和要孩子。不符合规定的,应该不给予结婚证
书和准生证。这样基本上大大降低黑人在中国繁衍低智商后代的可能。
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中国工程天才宝宝
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这不是什么新闻,中国将自己打扮成一个新的全球超级大国,是吗?而西方文明的扼流
圈对自己的暴食类似近代马龙白兰度,中国继续购买美国国债和锁定了世界的自然资源
。但是现在,不满足于只是笑,混蛋的迹象,他们通过我们的地缘政治上公路,他们还
开发了一个国家通过遗传工程。
在深圳华大基因,科学家们已经收集DNA样本从2000世界上最聪明的人,在试图确定确
定人类智力的等位基因的全基因组测序。显然他们不远处找到他们,当他们这样做时,
胚胎筛检会让父母来接他们聪明的受精卵和潜在的提高每一代人的智力的五到15点。在
几代人在智力水平上,与中国的竞争会喜欢具有挑战性的莱娜邓纳姆一得到赤裸裸的在
电视大赛。
杰弗里米勒,进化心理学家和纽约大学的老师,是一个2000 braniacs谁贡献他们的DNA
。我跟他讲这令人毛骨悚然的屁股程序可能为中国的孩子未来的意义。
副:嘿,杰弗里。中国有一个历史优生学吗?
杰弗里:当邓小平上台在70年代后期,他试图管理经济作为中国政府的工作重点,试图
管理质量和数量的人。在90年代,他们开始做出生缺陷的产前超声的广泛测试,最近,
他们已经花了很多钱来研究人类遗传学来找出哪些基因使人们变得更聪明。
了解深圳华大基因吗?
这是最大的遗传研究中心在中国,我认为世界上最大的,由一个可观的利润。他们不只
是在做人类遗传学;BGI也做植物遗传学,动物遗传的东西很多,相关的经济或科学有
趣。
你与他们联系吗?
我刚收到一封邮件,几天前说他们几乎已经完成了BGI认知遗传学项目做排序,一个我
给我的遗传学,和结果将很快提供。
他们的选择是什么?
他们似乎在中国和欧洲血统的人最感兴趣的。他们基本上招聘通过科学大会,通过口碑
。你必须提供一些证据证明你说你很聪明。你必须把你的完整的简历,你制作的出版物
,标准化考试的成绩,你在哪里上大学…这样的东西。
研究如何应用?
一旦你得到的信息和一个受精卵,分为几个细胞,你可以品尝到一个细胞找到预期的情
报是否植入和成为的人。
在人类语言中意味着什么?
任何给定的夫妇可能有几个受精蛋在实验室与父亲的精子和妈妈的蛋。然后你可以测试
多种胚胎和分析哪一个是最聪明的。那孩子将属于夫妻好像它自然的,但它将是聪明的
一对夫妇有100个孩子,如果他们能产生。这不是遗传工程或添加新的基因,这是夫妇
已经有基因。
在几代人的你可以指数乘以人口的智力过程。
是的。即使它只会使孩子平均五的智商,这是在经济效率方面的巨大差异,国家的竞争
力,他们得到多少专利,他们的企业来说,如何创新,他们的经济。
这有没有可能发展成更坏的东西吗?
同样的研究打开了门极有可能在未来的基因工程。但这会使实际需要很长的时间。
你认为胚胎分析可能是大规模实施时,怎么办?
做胚胎筛检技术的实际应用可能需要五到十年,但它可能只是几年。这取决于他们是如
何激励。
这整个过程被重复与其他特性,如外表吗?
绝对.事实上,几乎所有的特质以外的情报做会比较容易。我们知道,智力取决于大量
的基因而物理性状像头发或眼睛的颜色取决于几个基因。像身体的形状会更容易做,身
体的吸引力将是非常复杂的,人格特质可能比情报工作的人是多么难,多么冲动的简单
一点,如何在政治自由或保守,他们会更容易。如何宗教你肯定是受基因在某种程度上。
倒霉。
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CHINA IS ENGINEERING GENIUS BABIES
By Aleks Eror
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It’s not exactly news that China is setting itself up as a new global
superpower, is it? While Western civilization chokes on its own gluttony
like a latter-day Marlon Brando, China continues to buy up American debt and
lock away the world’s natural resources. But now, not content to simply
laugh and make jerk-off signs as they pass us on the geopolitical highway,
they’ve also developed a state-endorsed genetic-engineering project.
At BGI Shenzhen, scientists have collected DNA samples from 2,000 of the
world’s smartest people and are sequencing their entire genomes in an
attempt to identify the alleles which determine human intelligence.
Apparently they’re not far from finding them, and when they do, embryo
screening will allow parents to pick their brightest zygote and potentially
bump up every generation's intelligence by five to 15 IQ points. Within a
couple of generations, competing with the Chinese on an intellectual level
will be like challenging Lena Dunham to a getting-naked-on-TV contest.
Geoffrey Miller, an evolutionary psychologist and lecturer at NYU, is one of
the 2,000 braniacs who contributed their DNA. I spoke to him about what
this creepy-ass program might mean for the future of Chinese kids.
VICE: Hey, Geoffrey. Does China have a history of eugenics?
Geoffrey Miller: As soon as Deng Xiaoping took power in the late 70s, he
took the whole focus of the Chinese government from trying to manage the
economy, to trying to manage the quality and quantity of people. In the 90s,
they started to do widespread prenatal testing for birth defects with
ultrasound, and more recently, they've spent a lot of money researching
human genetics to figure out which genes make people smarter.
What do you know about BGI Shenzhen?
It’s the biggest genetic research center in China, and I think the biggest
in the world, by a considerable margin. They’re not just doing human
genetics; BGI is also doing lots of plant genetics, animal genetics,
anything that’s economically relevant or scientifically interesting.
Are you in touch with them?
I just got an email a couple of days ago saying that they’d almost finished
doing the sequencing for the BGI Cognitive Genetics Project, the one I gave
my genetics to, and that the results would be available soon.
What was their selection process?
They seem mostly interested in people of Chinese and European descent. They
’re basically recruiting through a scientific conference, through word of
mouth. You have to provide some evidence that you’re as smart as you say
you are. You have to send your complete CV, publications you’ve produced,
standardized-test scores, where you went to college... stuff like that.
How will the research be applied?
Once you’ve got that information and a fertilized egg that’s divided into
a few cells, you can sample one of the cells to figure out the expected
intelligence if it’s implanted and becomes a person.
What does that mean in human language?
Any given couple could potentially have several eggs fertilized in the lab
with the dad’s sperm and the mom’s eggs. Then you can test multiple
embryos and analyze which one’s going to be the smartest. That kid would
belong to that couple as if they had it naturally, but it would be the
smartest a couple would be able to produce if they had 100 kids. It’s not
genetic engineering or adding new genes, it’s the genes that couples
already have.
And over the course of several generations you’re able to exponentially
multiply the population’s intelligence.
Right. Even if it only boosts the average kid by five IQ points, that’s a
huge difference in terms of economic productivity, the competitiveness of
the country, how many patents they get, how their businesses are run, and
how innovative their economy is.
Could it develop into something more sinister?
That same research does open up the door potentially to genetic engineering
in the future. But that would take a lot longer to make practical.
When do you think the embryo analysis might be implemented on a large scale?
Actual use of the technology to do embryo screening might take five to ten
years, but it could be just a few years. It depends on how motivated they
are.
Could this whole process be repeated with other characteristics, like
physical appearance?
Absolutely. In fact, almost any trait other than intelligence would be
easier to do. We know that intelligence depends on lots of genes while
physical traits—like hair or eye color—only depend on a few genes. Things
like body shape would be easier to do, physical attractiveness would be
pretty complicated, personality traits might be a little simpler than
intelligence—how hard working somebody is, how impulsive, how politically
liberal or conservative they are would be easier. How religious you are—
that’s definitely influenced by genes to some degree.
Shit. How does Western research in genetics compare to China’s?
We’re pretty far behind. We have the same technical capabilities, the same
statistical capabilities to analyze the data, but they’re collecting the
data on a much larger scale and seem to be capable of transforming the
scientific findings into government policy and consumer genetic testing much
more easily than we are. Technically and scientifically we could be doing
this, but we’re not.
Why not?
We have ideological biases that say, “Well, this could be troubling, we
shouldn’t be meddling with nature, we shouldn’t be meddling with God.” I
just attended a debate in New York a few weeks ago about whether or not we
should outlaw genetic engineering in babies and the audience was pretty
split. In China, 95 percent of an audience would say, “Obviously you should
make babies genetically healthier, happier, and brighter!” There’s a big
cultural difference.
What else is China doing that we aren’t?
Well, they’re also investing a huge amount of money in education, they’re
creating new systems of universities that emphasise more creative approaches
to learning, and they’re sending hundreds of thousands of college students
to America and Europe to see how our education systems operate so they can
bring their own systems up to our standards and above.
Do you think global domination is in the cards, then?
The Chinese Communist party has never really sought global domination. They
think of it as restoring China to its rightful and historical place as the
central culture of humanity. Europe got a temporary advantage, but they’re
just restoring the natural balance as the world’s most populous country. I
don’t think they have any imperial ambitions to spread China’s borders—
they’re not going to act like Nazi Germany or America in the 20th century—
but they do want respect and they do want influence and they don’t trust
America or Europe to run the world in the right way, in terms of issues like
global warming or equality or economic stability.
Maybe they’re on to something.
Follow Aleks on Twitter: @slandr
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