T**********e 发帖数: 29576 | 1 看这个falcon heavy把三个火箭总共27发动机绑一起发射,价格709刀一磅,估计还有
的赚。Elon的目标是把原有发射成本降低10倍。
SpaceX – Breaking the $1000 per Pound Launch Cost Barrier
John Strickland explains how SpaceX can drive launch costs to less than one
tenth that of competing rocket systems:
“When people see this cost comparison, they ask all over again ‘How
can he (Musk) do that?’ How can the Falcon outperform the Delta by such a
wide margin? The three main reasons seem to be (1) low manufacturing cost (2
) low operational cost (time efficient operations design and low man-hours
needed per launch) and (3) high efficiency performance in flight. The first
two have already been demonstrated by the Falcon 9, and they continue to be
improved, such as a recently announced two-thirds reduction of fuel loading
time. The SpaceX paradigm is one of continuous improvement.
The first reason (low manufacturing cost) is exercised again in the “
Heavy” by using three nearly identical rocket stages (instead of two solids
and a core stage), which means more production of the same units, thus
reducing their unit cost. The SpaceX plant in Hawthorne, California, is
building towards the capability of producing a Falcon 9 first stage or
Falcon Heavy side booster every week and an upper stage every two weeks.
Within five years, SpaceX expects to be producing more large rocket engines
per year (several hundred) than all other rocket companies on the planet
combined. Engine production costs will thus decline still more. (Dragon
production, depending on demand, is planned for a rate of one every six to
eight weeks.)
The third reason (high efficiency in flight) is partly achieved by the
standard methods of making the engines fuel efficient, with high thrust and
low mass, and making the overall structural mass of each stage as low as
possible. Musk has apparently done this better than anyone else. For example
, the two side boosters have a fully fueled to empty mass ratio of 30.
Additional flight efficiency is achieved by propellant cross-feeding (see
below).”
Elon Musk talks more about the SpaceX cost advantage here. SpaceX is
breaking from industry norms by being up front about their launch prices and
publishing them on the web. Click here and scroll down to see the price for
a Falcon Heavy launch ($83 million) and that the payload it will be able to
carry to LEO is 117,000 pounds. That works out to $709 per pound, less than
the $1000 per pound BTE goal for the Heavy Lifter to be used for launching
the Enterprise components into space. And the ‘Falcon Super Heavy’ which
is not yet shown on the SpaceX site should have an even lower launch price
per pound. SpaceX is certainly blazing a whole new trail. |
h***i 发帖数: 89031 | 2 下一步需要外包的温州
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【在 T**********e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 看这个falcon heavy把三个火箭总共27发动机绑一起发射,价格709刀一磅,估计还有 : 的赚。Elon的目标是把原有发射成本降低10倍。 : SpaceX – Breaking the $1000 per Pound Launch Cost Barrier : John Strickland explains how SpaceX can drive launch costs to less than one : tenth that of competing rocket systems: : “When people see this cost comparison, they ask all over again ‘How : can he (Musk) do that?’ How can the Falcon outperform the Delta by such a : wide margin? The three main reasons seem to be (1) low manufacturing cost (2 : ) low operational cost (time efficient operations design and low man-hours : needed per launch) and (3) high efficiency performance in flight. The first
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b*w 发帖数: 14917 | 3 插,从美国邮寄个包裹到中国都快70刀了,就是那种最便宜的flat rate box |
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T**********e 发帖数: 29576 | 5
卫星放中间?
【在 l******t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 为什么3个绑一排不是绑一个3角?
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l******t 发帖数: 55733 | 6
卫星在顶端啊
【在 T**********e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : : 卫星放中间?
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T**********e 发帖数: 29576 | 8
计划今年发射,价格已经公布了。
【在 c***c 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 实现了已经,还是蓝图?
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w*********g 发帖数: 30882 | 9 东莞搞这个应该更有优势吧?
无非是从航天局找群老专家,用成熟的技术和设计,然后像山寨旅游鞋一样山寨各种火
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T**********e 发帖数: 29576 | 10
是啊,elon能从nasa拿seed搞航天,tg也可以扶植私企干嘛。
【在 w*********g 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 东莞搞这个应该更有优势吧? : 无非是从航天局找群老专家,用成熟的技术和设计,然后像山寨旅游鞋一样山寨各种火 : 箭。
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b****l 发帖数: 23606 | 11 别什么烂事儿都跟美帝学。
这种,显然是盗卖国有资产。
种火
【在 T**********e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : : 是啊,elon能从nasa拿seed搞航天,tg也可以扶植私企干嘛。
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v*******e 发帖数: 11604 | 12
因为两边的是booster,助推器,比中间的一个更早脱离,中间一个的顶上有第二级。
如果三个绑三角,就必须同时和第二级脱离,那么就多花了燃料在不必要的重量上了。
而且这样就和和Falcon 9显得太不一样,不适宜于采用同样的结构和设计。
【在 l******t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 为什么3个绑一排不是绑一个3角?
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e*c 发帖数: 642 | 13 老毛子当年那个爆了三四回死了个元帅的火箭叫什么来着?
one
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【在 T**********e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 看这个falcon heavy把三个火箭总共27发动机绑一起发射,价格709刀一磅,估计还有 : 的赚。Elon的目标是把原有发射成本降低10倍。 : SpaceX – Breaking the $1000 per Pound Launch Cost Barrier : John Strickland explains how SpaceX can drive launch costs to less than one : tenth that of competing rocket systems: : “When people see this cost comparison, they ask all over again ‘How : can he (Musk) do that?’ How can the Falcon outperform the Delta by such a : wide margin? The three main reasons seem to be (1) low manufacturing cost (2 : ) low operational cost (time efficient operations design and low man-hours : needed per launch) and (3) high efficiency performance in flight. The first
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c***n 发帖数: 2232 | 14 这个价格是按117,000 pounds载荷算出来的,这样的载荷只能是一箭多星。但是一箭多
星要有轨道上的限制,不是那么容易凑。同样原因长征五也不是中国未来火箭发射的主
力军。
真正有意义的平均价格是你能频繁发射的平均价格,在能够满足载荷的轨道要求的前提
下。否则只有纸面上的意义。 |
x****u 发帖数: 12955 | 15
one
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他们大概忘了俄国人登月火箭为什么失败了
【在 T**********e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 看这个falcon heavy把三个火箭总共27发动机绑一起发射,价格709刀一磅,估计还有 : 的赚。Elon的目标是把原有发射成本降低10倍。 : SpaceX – Breaking the $1000 per Pound Launch Cost Barrier : John Strickland explains how SpaceX can drive launch costs to less than one : tenth that of competing rocket systems: : “When people see this cost comparison, they ask all over again ‘How : can he (Musk) do that?’ How can the Falcon outperform the Delta by such a : wide margin? The three main reasons seem to be (1) low manufacturing cost (2 : ) low operational cost (time efficient operations design and low man-hours : needed per launch) and (3) high efficiency performance in flight. The first
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j*****p 发帖数: 24000 | 17 战略火箭军司令,死的是P16导弹
还有也是一堆火箭捆绑的N1火箭
【在 e*c 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 老毛子当年那个爆了三四回死了个元帅的火箭叫什么来着? : : one : (2
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T**********e 发帖数: 29576 | 18
对相当于集装箱的价格,不过musk宣称目标是把现有发射价格搞下10倍,弄好了以后零
售价也会下来。
【在 c***n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 这个价格是按117,000 pounds载荷算出来的,这样的载荷只能是一箭多星。但是一箭多 : 星要有轨道上的限制,不是那么容易凑。同样原因长征五也不是中国未来火箭发射的主 : 力军。 : 真正有意义的平均价格是你能频繁发射的平均价格,在能够满足载荷的轨道要求的前提 : 下。否则只有纸面上的意义。
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s*****V 发帖数: 21731 | 19 10倍是不可能的,他自己说的,通过大规模模块化量产价格可以下降到1/3,以后要靠
重复使用,这个根本没有被证明有效。再者,现在他们还是个小START UP一个人顶两个
人用,OPERATION COST很低,等真正上路,就要考虑备份人才,OPERATION COST肯定要
上去。
【在 T**********e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : : 对相当于集装箱的价格,不过musk宣称目标是把现有发射价格搞下10倍,弄好了以后零 : 售价也会下来。
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c******a 发帖数: 4400 | 20 人类有望把绕地轨道整成wall-e里面一样的太空垃圾场了 |
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T**********e 发帖数: 29576 | 21
今年spacex要发射50次,全世界揽活射卫星,才刚发展到3000人,很奇特。
The company has grown rapidly since it was founded in 2002, growing from 160
employees in November 2005 to more than 500 by July 2008, to over 1,100 in
2010,[18][19] 1800 in early 2012,[20] and 3000 by early 2013.[21] By October
2013, the company had grown to 3,800 employees and contractors.
【在 s*****V 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 10倍是不可能的,他自己说的,通过大规模模块化量产价格可以下降到1/3,以后要靠 : 重复使用,这个根本没有被证明有效。再者,现在他们还是个小START UP一个人顶两个 : 人用,OPERATION COST很低,等真正上路,就要考虑备份人才,OPERATION COST肯定要 : 上去。
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s*****V 发帖数: 21731 | 22 哪有50次,中美俄加起来也就5-60次发射。
160
in
October
【在 T**********e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : : 今年spacex要发射50次,全世界揽活射卫星,才刚发展到3000人,很奇特。 : The company has grown rapidly since it was founded in 2002, growing from 160 : employees in November 2005 to more than 500 by July 2008, to over 1,100 in : 2010,[18][19] 1800 in early 2012,[20] and 3000 by early 2013.[21] By October : 2013, the company had grown to 3,800 employees and contractors.
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b***y 发帖数: 14281 | 23 700刀一磅,但是不保证发射成功。也就是说,虽然你的卫星造价700万,我只收你700
刀,给你扔一把,至于扔哪砸哪我就不管了。正常思维的人还是花70万请中国人发了吧。
one
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 8.2.2
【在 T**********e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 看这个falcon heavy把三个火箭总共27发动机绑一起发射,价格709刀一磅,估计还有 : 的赚。Elon的目标是把原有发射成本降低10倍。 : SpaceX – Breaking the $1000 per Pound Launch Cost Barrier : John Strickland explains how SpaceX can drive launch costs to less than one : tenth that of competing rocket systems: : “When people see this cost comparison, they ask all over again ‘How : can he (Musk) do that?’ How can the Falcon outperform the Delta by such a : wide margin? The three main reasons seem to be (1) low manufacturing cost (2 : ) low operational cost (time efficient operations design and low man-hours : needed per launch) and (3) high efficiency performance in flight. The first
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b***y 发帖数: 14281 | 24 真正有意义的价格还必须考虑成功率,否则我还可以降到7刀一磅,只不过成功率是零。
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 8.2.2
【在 c***n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 这个价格是按117,000 pounds载荷算出来的,这样的载荷只能是一箭多星。但是一箭多 : 星要有轨道上的限制,不是那么容易凑。同样原因长征五也不是中国未来火箭发射的主 : 力军。 : 真正有意义的平均价格是你能频繁发射的平均价格,在能够满足载荷的轨道要求的前提 : 下。否则只有纸面上的意义。
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w********r 发帖数: 14958 | 25 据我所知,中国刚摔了别人国家一颗卫星吧。
哪有像你这样专打中国人脸的小将阿?
700
吧。
【在 b***y 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 700刀一磅,但是不保证发射成功。也就是说,虽然你的卫星造价700万,我只收你700 : 刀,给你扔一把,至于扔哪砸哪我就不管了。正常思维的人还是花70万请中国人发了吧。 : : one : ★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 8.2.2
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b***y 发帖数: 14281 | 26 对你这种毫无意义的废话,不值得批驳。
【在 w********r 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 据我所知,中国刚摔了别人国家一颗卫星吧。 : 哪有像你这样专打中国人脸的小将阿? : : 700 : 吧。
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T**********e 发帖数: 29576 | 27
700
吧。
这种纯商业发射,成功率是命脉,不然保险一涨就太贵了。
【在 b***y 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 700刀一磅,但是不保证发射成功。也就是说,虽然你的卫星造价700万,我只收你700 : 刀,给你扔一把,至于扔哪砸哪我就不管了。正常思维的人还是花70万请中国人发了吧。 : : one : ★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 8.2.2
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