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He Xin: Six Key Aspects of Greece Pseudohistory
［ws按：说对了，老何真滴很高兴。他出版《希腊伪史考》，其实就是冒天下之大不韪
，成心对中外的真、假洋鬼子下战书，向已经堆积如山的中外希腊伪史叫板和挑战。在
高某之前一直没有得到有点分量的回应，让他感到有点寂寞。所以读到高文后，他连说
谢谢！］
The key point of the question of authenticity of Greek civilization lies in
six aspects as follows. And these are the vital points of the fact that all
the cunning foreign devils and those fake ones all the time averted positive
response elaborately:
I. The vital point of the authenticity of Greek history: in the history
there has never existed something like “Greece” or “Greek culture”
Actually, the argument of my criticism on the Greece pseudoculture and
pseudohistory could be divided into the following four key points:
1. Before the Greek independence campaign against the rule of Ottoman Turks
was launched in the 19th century, there had been no existence of a unified,
independent and autonomous country with sovereignty named “Greece” formed
on the Greek peninsula throughout the history.
2. The ancient Greece has never formed a unified country and, also, an
independent sovereignty, no kingship, dynasty or king. Supposing that a
country has never gained its independence in a history, how could it has its
independent nation and culture?
[In most period of the history, some parts of Greek peninsula were
subordinated to Persia, Macedonian Empire, Roman Empire and the Eastern
Roman Empire. Later on, its jurisdiction was transferred to Ottoman Empire.]
3. Before Alexander conquered city-states of ancient Greece, in Greek
peninsula there had been only a few city-states with backward economy and
culture like Athens with only a couple of tens of thousands of citizens in
its most prosperous period. There had not been precedence to fall back
regarding big colonial empire—in the history there hasn’t existed a single
unified Kingdom of Greece or Greek Empire and any jurisdiction of a city-
state has never covered more than its strictly confined area in its
indigenous territory.
4. All the circulated and admired “the great Greek history in earlier
history” were absolutely concocted and fabricated fairy stories coming from
“Homer’s Epic” of unknown origin by after the Renaissance, and that
means those had never turned up in previous history.
Gao completely averted all my four fundamental questions, while he talked
about something trifling seemingly as a knowledgeable scholar. As a matter
of fact, it was only some stuff without any efficacy to be responsive to my
questions.
In fact, whoever wants to refute me, Old He, is unnecessary to remark
something like that stuff. It could be a better start from those four points
—please cite an example to prove the existence of a single unified Kingdom
of Greece or Greek Dynasty, Greek Empire or Greek Democratic and Federal
State before 1832 in the world and when and where it took place, which
facilitates the process of paying back its greatness and glory.
If no precedence could be found proving unified Greece as an entity and
principal part of Greek civilization, it has to be admitted that all the
fairy tales made up of “ancient Greek Civilization” had no their owners.
And no idea came that where the ancient Greece was. So all that was just
junk things, including his passage used for clarifying the civilization of
the ancient Greece.
II. Homer was an Asian and Homer’s Epics weren’t Greek Epics
Let me repeat it, the Homer's Epics had a suspicious and unknown origin.
Where on the hell did the Homer come from? Homer was a world citizen without
nationality, or, he was a European of Greek peninsula? Nope, instead, an
Asian and people of Asia Minor.
An interesting question comes that, without the history of a Greece, how
does the comment come that Homer’s masterpiece were all about Greek fairy
tales and epics?
Actually, the question that, who Homer was, male or female, and a single man
or a group of people has not been clear in Western academic circles,
without any ultimate conclusion! However, all the available Greek prehistory
was fabricated based upon the unclear pseudo history and fairy tales!
[The Library of Alexandria, known as the unique owner archiving the original
book, Homer, it was said, had been destroyed in chaos of war in the earlier
the Christian era without any remains. But Western classical academic
history, composed by Sandys in 19th century in Britain, was highly raved
about. It’s nothing useful! That book was just used for plugging the
loopholes of the fabricated Western history, which recorded waste stuffs and
was filled with lies. Like the Library of Alexandria, which Sandys said
survived the fire hazard，actually was a great blow to Gibbon, the ancestor
of the ancient Greece and Rome.
The Library of Alexandria, remaining or not, possible or impossible was
still a controversial question in Western history, a Western incredible
history! Most of the Western Greek and Roman masterpieces that popped up
after the Renaissance have still been so far uncertain in authenticity.]
Gao has listed in detail a series of discoveries on Homer’s Epics in
Egyptian papyrus fragments by British versed in fabricating history. I am
not a scholar of edition of Homer, and disinclined to discuss the
authenticity of these matters above. What I will say, is that these papyrus
fragments will do nothing with the pseudo history of Greece.
The content of Homer’s Epics is something about the legend that Achaeans
attacked Ilium City, which, however, didn’t take place in Greek peninsula
and was not Greek civil war. Now that the reality of Greece’s existence was
unreal, where could you find the Greek civil war? So, the Achaeans called
by Homer were, in reality, Asian (Ionian—citizen of Asia Minor), rather
than European of Greek peninsula, Athens or Greece.
From the perspective of Western archaeology in the past century, it was
thought that the war in the Homer’s Epics was waged in Asia and Asia Minor
of the east coast of Mediterranean Sea. (For example, in the end of 19th
century, Schliemann, a German scholar, explored the relics of an ancient
city in the western coast of Asia Minor, concluding that the ancient city
was the capital Ilion of Troy.)
All in all, the Homer’s Epics has nothing related to the so-called history
of Greek peninsula, particularly, the history of Athens and Greece. It was
unreasonable to treat Homer’s Epics as Greek Epics.
III. Mycenaean civilization and Minoan culture didn’t come from Greece
Someone put it that Minoan and Messinia culture could be found in Greek
archaeology. But, could you find a Greece in BC 3000-1000 in the world?
If not, why could the two independent and self-existing ancient culture of
islands be taken over to nonexistent ancient Greece? Someone referred to
fairy tales of Homer—— it is an absolute shit! If the Homer’s fairy tales
could serve as a testimony to history, the Journey to the West and the
Legend of Deification could be filed in the textbook as an authentic history
to learn!
So-called Minoan and Messinia archaeology, though dug out as a discovery,
were not purely fake stuffs, in which, most were doubted as fake antique. (
Like the clay pots with exquisite patterns were doubtful, for all the human
being had not reached that level to fire colored pottery and attach
exquisite patterns to the pots) As to that ox-headed monster Minos, the
king of Crete, was absolutely a fake stuff. Something like linear text A/B
made up of mud, that should be square characters, in my eyes, was almost a
fake stuff, too. I boldly doubt it while discreetly proving it. I assume
whether foreign people made it in copy of square characters of inscription
on pottery. Something like clay matrix was so easy to copy
IV. The text of the masterpieces of Plato and Aristotle is doubtful
As for masterpieces of Plato and Aristotle, certainly, no original versions
were handed down and circulated nowhere to find. (Let us not go into the
matter that He knows nothing about ancient Greek so that he is not qualified
to discuss it——if I am not eligible for that, there is no one that could
be eligible! Those so-called Greek masterpieces were almost not original
version of ancient Greek at all, either coming from Hebrew or Arabic). If
someone admits the existence of them, please tell everyone which Greek
masterpiece in Chinese version is rendered from ancient Greek?
As for those innumerable so-called masterpieces of Aristotle stems most
probably from piles of work by those under the mask of other authors in
different era in most different regions of ancient Asia Minor so that the
translator of the Complete works of Aristotle, Mr. Miao, casts his doubt on
it.
V. Most of the so-called great Greek philosophers and scientists are not
Greeks but Asians.
What's the most ironic, except Plato, a native Athenian, most of the so-
called great Greek philosophers having countless Chinese fans are Asians,
Anatolians, precisely speaking, including celebrated Heraclitus, Pythagoras
and Euclid, Archimedes, etc.
All these are rock solid facts—could you deny the foreign slaves and devils?
VI. There’s no bond between the civilization of Ancient Athens and Greece
and the civilization of Germanic of barbaric ethnic groups as well as Anglo-
Saxon.
And the faces grown on those people attacking foreign slaves and devils are
the cruelest: Greek civilization is not the resource of western white people.
Since Holy Roman Empire, the white and foreign people all the time mistake
Greece and Roma as their ancestor. While Voltaire has put a word profoundly
that this empire was not holy, and, neither Rome nor Empire it could be!
Even the history of Greece is totally true without any pseudo history, it
doesn’t matter at all. Because Greeks and later Romans and so-called roman
civilization were not proved as the predecessor of Germanic people, Anglo-
Saxons, and western civilization. The two were not the same race, nor were
they culturally inherited together. Conversely, Germanic people, including
Anglo-Saxons were the foes of Greeks and Romans. These white people were
called by Greeks and Romans barbaric ethnic groups speaking obscure
languages. In their eyes, they were enemies of Greeks and Romans.
These white people don’t have ancient history they could took pride in.
They have a barbaric origin, and they feel ashamed, so they made a false
history as their predecessor. The so called Renaissance, was in fact a
campaign forged by white people including Latin people, Germanic people, and
Anglo-Saxons.
Something sensational has been found while revealing the pseudo history of
Greece and Rome. Believably from now on more Chinese people will study and
rethink about it. Then they will find, the whole world history written by
westerners is factually faked according to western values, being anything
but believable history. And what I have disclosed is just the tip of the
iceberg.
何新：希腊伪史论的关键六点
希腊文明真伪问题的关键，在于以下六个方面。这是一切狡猾的洋鬼子和假洋鬼子
所一向精心回避，绝对不敢正面回应的要害之所在：
一、希腊历史真伪的要害：历史中从来不存在什么“希腊国”、“希腊文化”
其实，我立论批判希腊伪文化和伪史的关键论点是以下4点：
1、在19世纪发生摆脱奥斯曼土耳其统治的希腊独立运动之前，历史上希腊半岛从
来没有形成一个统一、独立、自主、名字叫“希腊”的主权国家。
2、古代的希腊从来没有形成统一国家，希腊从来也没有形成独立的主权——没有
王权、希腊王朝和希腊国王。如果一个地区，历史上根本从来没有形成过独立的国家—
—那么又怎么会有独立的民族、独立的文化呢？
［在历史的多数时期。希腊半岛的某些部分，曾经隶属于波斯及马其顿帝国、罗马
帝国和东方罗马帝国，后来隶属于奥斯曼土耳其帝国。］
3、在亚历山大征服希腊城邦以前，希腊半岛上仅仅存在一些经济和文化极其落后
的小城邦，如雅典，全盛时期也只有几万人口。史前没有什么大希腊殖民帝国存在过—
—历史中没有统一的希腊王国或帝国，任何城邦主宰其治权也从来没有超越希腊半岛上
本邦本土的狭窄区域。
4、因此，历来被传说和膜拜的所谓“伟大的史前希腊史”，完全是文艺复兴以后
的西方人根据来历不明的“荷马史诗”所虚构、编造出来的神话故事。在历史中并没有
真实存在过。
高某对以上我提出的4个根本问题完全回避，却拉里拉杂扯出一些鸡毛蒜皮，貌似
很博学，其实狗屁不是。攻其一点不及其余，这是一种诡辩术！
其实，如果任何人要驳倒老何，完全不必扯那些蛋，只须先从以上4点驳起——请
证明在1832年以前世界上确实曾经有一个希腊王国或者王朝，或者希腊帝国或者“希腊
民主联邦国家”——在何年何地在哪里存在过。以便让我们把所有的伟大和光荣都归于
它。
如果找不到这样一个统一希腊国作为希腊文明实体和主体的历史存在——那么就不
得不承认，迄今中外希腊粉丝所有关于“古希腊文明”如何辉煌伟大的神话，都不知道
在说谁呢，也不知道所谓古希腊究竟在哪里呢？那么就都是在扯鸟蛋！包括高某的那篇
为古希腊文明洗地的文章。
二、荷马是亚洲人，荷马史诗不是希腊的史诗
再说一遍，荷马史诗出身可疑，来历不明。
荷马究竟是哪里人，是哪国人？荷马是没有国籍的世界公民，或者是希腊半岛的欧
洲人吗？不是。一向被称为希腊伟大诗人的荷马，并不是欧洲的希腊人而是亚洲人——
小亚细亚人。
有意思的问题是，当时的世界上根本没有希腊国的存在，那又凭什么说荷马的作品
都是关于希腊的神话和史诗呢？？？
实际上，荷马到底是谁，什么时代的人，甚至是男人还是女人,一个人还是一群人
？——这些问题至今西方学界也还没有弄清楚，没有定论！可是，现今全部希腊史前史
，却都是根据这部说不清、也道不白的伪史和神话编造、杜撰出来的！
［号称曾经藏有荷马此书唯一原本的亚历山大图书馆，早在公元初年据说就被战乱
毁灭了，据说片纸无存。而英国19世纪桑兹的《西方古典学术史》，被高某大肆吹捧。
你吹个屁啊，那本书就是西人自己给伪造的西方历史堵窟窿的书，书中鬼话连篇，谎话
连篇！譬如亚历山大图书馆，桑兹说没有被烧——这其实就是在抽英国希腊罗马祖师爷
吉本的大嘴巴！
其实亚历山大图书馆，就连它到底存在不存在，可能不可能存在——在西方历史学
中还有争议，至今也还是个问题。西方古代无信史！文艺复兴后在西方突然冒出来的那
些希腊罗马著作——多数至今无法定论其文本真伪。］
高某文中详细地列举了最善于伪造历史的英国人关于荷马史诗在埃及纸草残片中的
一系列发现。本人不是荷马版本学家，目前也无意讨论这些所谓的埃及纸草版荷马的真
伪问题。我只想说，这些纸草帮助不了希腊伪史什么忙。
荷马史诗的内容是关于“阿凯亚人”攻打伊利昂城的传说。但是，这一战争并不是
发生在希腊半岛上，也不是什么“希腊人”的战争。既然希腊国是一个子虚乌有之邦，
那么又哪里来的希腊人的战争呢？所以荷马说的“阿凯亚人”，其实是亚洲人（爱奥尼
亚——小亚细亚）人，而不是希腊半岛或者雅典希腊的欧洲人。
从过去一世纪间的西方考古学看，也都认为荷马史诗中描写的战争发生在地中海东
岸的亚洲、小亚细亚。（如19世纪末，德国学者施里曼在小亚细亚西岸的希萨里克发掘
一座古城的遗址，认为这个古城就是古代特洛伊人的都城伊利昂。）
总之荷马史诗与所谓的希腊半岛历史——特别是雅典希腊历史并无关系。说荷马诗
篇是关于希腊人的史诗，叫做驴唇不对马嘴。
三、克里特、迈锡尼文明本不属于希腊
有人说，希腊考古有克里特和麦锡尼文化的发现。请问公元前3000年——1000年当
时世界上有“希腊”这个国家存在吗？
如果没有，凭什么把这两个独立自生的岛屿古文化，归属于当时根本不存在的古希
腊呢？有人说是根据荷马的神话故事——这不是放屁吗？！如果荷马神话可以用来证史
，那么西游记、封神榜也都可以进中国历史作为教科书了！
所谓的克里特和麦锡尼考古，虽然出土物也许未必全是假的——但被西方学者揭露
质疑的假古董确实也有不少。（例如那些画图精美的陶罐就大有可疑——因为当时全人
类都还没有那种彩陶烧制和绘画的技术。）至于那个牛头人身的妖怪克里特国王米诺斯
，则肯定100%是假货。那些什么泥版线性文字A/B——居然都是一个个那么类似古汉字
的方块文字，我看也不像真货——我大胆怀疑小心求证——猜想会不会是洋人仿照中国
石器时代的陶文方块字而伪造的呢？泥版那东西，很容易伪造啊！
四、柏拉图、亚里士多德的著作文本可疑
至于柏拉图、亚里士多德的著作，的确，就是全部流传不明，也没有保存下来的任
何原始版本！（别说老何不懂古希腊文，所以没资格讨论这个——若我没资格，那世上
也就没人有资格！因为那些所谓的希腊著作，几乎没有一本是古希腊文的原著，不是来
自希伯来文就是来自阿拉伯文——从来就没有人见过存在什么古希腊原始文本）——谁
若说有，那就请告诉大家，究竟中国的哪本希腊著作，是从古希腊文直接翻译的？！
至于那些浩如烟海的所谓“亚里士多德著作”，很可能是来自古代小亚细亚地区许
多不同时期、不同作者之著作的冒名顶替的堆砌，所以连中文《亚氏全集》的译者苗先
生对此都表示心存疑惑。
五、所谓的希腊哲学科学巨匠多数并非希腊人而是亚洲人
最讽刺的是，无数国人崇拜无比的那些所谓希腊哲人——除了一个柏拉图是正牌雅
典人，大多数都不是希腊人而是亚洲——小亚细亚人，包括大名鼎鼎的赫拉克利特、毕
达哥拉斯、欧几里得、阿基米德等等。
这些都是鉄一般的事实——洋奴、假洋鬼子你们否定得了吗？！
六、古希腊罗马文明与蛮族日耳曼以及盎格鲁·撒克逊文明根本没有承接关系
还有这一条打洋奴、洋鬼子的脸最狠！就是：希腊文明根本不是西方白种人的文化
祖宗！
从神圣罗马帝国起，白种人、洋人一直冒认希腊罗马当自己的祖宗。而伏尔泰说过
一句意味深长的名言——“这个帝国既不神圣，也非罗马，更不是帝国！”
就算希腊的历史完全是真，没有什么伪史，也无关紧要——因为希腊人和后来的罗
马人，所谓希腊罗马文明——根本不是日耳曼人、盎格鲁·撒克逊人（那些来自北欧的
白人）以及西方文明的祖宗！两者不是同一个人种，也完全没有文化方面一脉相承的传
承关系。
相反，日耳曼人包括盎格鲁·撒克逊人一直是希腊、罗马人的死敌。这些白种人被
希腊罗马人称作讲鸟语的蛮族——野蛮人，是希腊罗马不共戴天的仇人。
那些白种洋人本身没有可以骄傲的古代历史、起源太野蛮，自己不好意思，所以就
造了个希腊罗马的假历史当自己的祖宗拜。所谓的“文艺复兴”，其实就是白种人（拉
丁人、日耳曼人、盎格鲁·撒克逊人）系统伪造西方文明的一场运动。
揭露希腊罗马的伪史，捅出了一个大窟窿——相信中国人以后必有来者，会继续认
真思考、认真研究。那时他们就会发现，西方目前编写的整个世界历史，其实都是根据
西方价值观念伪造的，完全不是信史。我所揭露的，不过是冰山之一角而已！ | x******g
发帖数: 33885 | 2 何新这样说，西方人肯定不高兴。
就像如果有外国人对中国人说，秦国统一中国是假的，秦国根本不存在一样，中国人会
很愤怒的。 | b**m
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