s*****r
发帖数: 43070 | |
t****x
发帖数: 9441 | |
c****g
发帖数: 37081 | |
y**********g
发帖数: 2728 | 4 这是好事。这公司还没关门很奇怪。
以后都要靠刷题上岗。学习不好的滚一边去！ |
b********n
发帖数: 38600 | |
P****i
发帖数: 12972 | 6 到处都是，确切地说111,800
本来就是大烂公司
【在 t****x 的大作中提到】
: 消息属实？
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w*p
发帖数: 16484 | |
w*p
发帖数: 16484 | 8 学习好的有屁用，凡是学历超过高中的都lay off
【在 y**********g 的大作中提到】
: 这是好事。这公司还没关门很奇怪。
: 以后都要靠刷题上岗。学习不好的滚一边去！
|
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s*****r
发帖数: 43070 | 9 IBM is expected to go through a massive reorg next month that will
reportedly see 26% of its 430,000-strong work force let go, or 111,800
people. If that figure holds true, that would make it far and away the
largest corporate layoff event in history, breaking the record previously
held by IBM, when it cut 60,000 in 1993.
【在 t****x 的大作中提到】
: 消息属实？
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z****g
发帖数: 3340 | 10 yep, next week about 26% of IBM’s employees will be getting phone calls
from their managers. |
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b********n
发帖数: 38600 | |
P****i
发帖数: 12972 | 12 就是瞎JB搞
好好的IT公司往infosys搞
【在 b********n 的大作中提到】
: The Decline and Fall of IBM
: http://www.cringely.com/2014/06/04/decline-fall-ibm/
|
I*******g
发帖数: 7600 | 13 擦， IBM一共多少人？
【在 s*****r 的大作中提到】
: 大屠杀啊
|
P****i
发帖数: 12972 | 14 裁26%
【在 I*******g 的大作中提到】
: 擦， IBM一共多少人？
|
b********n
发帖数: 38600 | 15 "You only have to look at the Internal IBM ‘blogsphere’ to see how
dysfunctional things are. It a system not dissimilar to hollywood back-
patting. One of the huge army of senior execs will post something with the
‘party line’ in it. It is immediately followed by other Execs sucking up.
Telling him/her how great they are. Followed by wannabees who want the
visibility. I rarely see anyone in the professional community that I know &
respect responding to these. They are not engaged. I did a little test &
researched a cross section of people responding to these ‘blogs’ on the
IBM profile page of execs. Generally found hollow-suits with lots of
enthusiasm and ambition, but little reputation for knowing what they are
talking about. They also tend to have wooly ‘leader’ titles that reflect
Cloud, Mobile or Analystics….. says it all really. Bob you have done a
great job exposing IBM."
【在 P****i 的大作中提到】
: 就是瞎JB搞
: 好好的IT公司往infosys搞
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y**********g
发帖数: 2728 | 16 好事，听说ibm whartson要关门了，哈哈。我同学在里面惨了。 |
s*****r
发帖数: 43070 | 17 现在都是SAAS，IT服务外包给第三方，比如谷歌，谁还需要他提供垃圾solution
.
&
【在 b********n 的大作中提到】
: "You only have to look at the Internal IBM ‘blogsphere’ to see how
: dysfunctional things are. It a system not dissimilar to hollywood back-
: patting. One of the huge army of senior execs will post something with the
: ‘party line’ in it. It is immediately followed by other Execs sucking up.
: Telling him/her how great they are. Followed by wannabees who want the
: visibility. I rarely see anyone in the professional community that I know &
: respect responding to these. They are not engaged. I did a little test &
: researched a cross section of people responding to these ‘blogs’ on the
: IBM profile page of execs. Generally found hollow-suits with lots of
: enthusiasm and ambition, but little reputation for knowing what they are
|
h*h
发帖数: 18873 | 18 什么人啊这是
【在 y**********g 的大作中提到】
: 好事，听说ibm whartson要关门了，哈哈。我同学在里面惨了。
|
f***e
发帖数: 5443 | 19 IBM的东西性能是别人1%，价格是别人100倍，活到今天，说明信息屏蔽真是严重 |
b****l
发帖数: 23606 | 20 常委系列同志的存在，是为了彰显你作为正常人的优越性。
【在 h*h 的大作中提到】
: 什么人啊这是
|
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b********n
发帖数: 38600 | 21 The long term problem at IBM has been management that is TOTALLY out of
touch with reality.
【在 f***e 的大作中提到】
: IBM的东西性能是别人1%，价格是别人100倍，活到今天，说明信息屏蔽真是严重
|
N******K
发帖数: 10202 | 22 你就一个心理阴暗的傻逼
【在 y**********g 的大作中提到】
: 好事，听说ibm whartson要关门了，哈哈。我同学在里面惨了。
|
b********n
发帖数: 38600 | |
B**W
发帖数: 2273 | 24 That is a good example of bad strategy.
Many US companies are cutting the so-called low-profit parts in their
business. In short run, that does promote profits. But in the long run, they
lose their customer base and customers are gradually switching to other
vendors. There is no way just enjoying the tip of a pyramid without a solid
foundation. The only exception is probably the financial sector.
【在 s*****r 的大作中提到】
: 大屠杀啊
|
S******8
发帖数: 24594 | |
f***e
发帖数: 5443 | 26 ibm根本不是科技公司，是纯靠sells 忽悠的传统公司，能活到今天，已经是奇迹了。
【在 b********n 的大作中提到】
: IBM will follow Kodak.
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b********n
发帖数: 38600 | 27 there are great people there – but massively demoralised and demotivated;
there is real intent and desire at the “worker bee” level to do the right
thing by the customer – suppressed and frustrated by the choking and
repressive management system and bureaucracy.
they
solid
【在 B**W 的大作中提到】
: That is a good example of bad strategy.
: Many US companies are cutting the so-called low-profit parts in their
: business. In short run, that does promote profits. But in the long run, they
: lose their customer base and customers are gradually switching to other
: vendors. There is no way just enjoying the tip of a pyramid without a solid
: foundation. The only exception is probably the financial sector.
|
m*t
发帖数: 7490 | |
f***e
发帖数: 5443 | 29 20年前，ibm的 as 400，价格400万，cpu运算性能比不上586，就凭sells能卖400万。
真不能全怪管理层，要怪，只能怪ibm的客户也养不起ibm了
right
【在 b********n 的大作中提到】
: there are great people there – but massively demoralised and demotivated;
: there is real intent and desire at the “worker bee” level to do the right
: thing by the customer – suppressed and frustrated by the choking and
: repressive management system and bureaucracy.
:
: they
: solid
|
b********n
发帖数: 38600 | 30 What is IBM really about?
Palmisano is, according to HBR in 2006, “a true-blue IBMer, who started at
the company in 1973 as a salesman in Baltimore,” with “a visceral
attachment to the firm.” He is “a results-driven, make-it-rain, close-the-
deal sort of guy.” He also famously held a ValuesJam, in which thousands of
IBM’s employees joined in an open debate about the very nature of the
computer giant and what it stood for. At the conclusion, Palmisano declared
IBM’s commitment to three values: “Dedication to every client’s success,
” “Innovation that matters,” and “Trust and personal responsibility in
all relationships.”
However critics—and many staff—suggest that what drove actual decision-
making at IBM under Palmisano was not so much “clients”, “innovation” or
“trust’, but a relentless drive to grow earnings per share, no matter
what the cost.
【在 f***e 的大作中提到】
: 20年前，ibm的 as 400，价格400万，cpu运算性能比不上586，就凭sells能卖400万。
: 真不能全怪管理层，要怪，只能怪ibm的客户也养不起ibm了
:
: right
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S******8
发帖数: 24594 | 31 下一个要倒的暴利公司应该是Oracle.
【在 f***e 的大作中提到】
: 20年前，ibm的 as 400，价格400万，cpu运算性能比不上586，就凭sells能卖400万。
: 真不能全怪管理层，要怪，只能怪ibm的客户也养不起ibm了
:
: right
|
w*********r
发帖数: 42116 | 32 Severance package至少得一年工资吧。多拿一年工资。
【在 s*****r 的大作中提到】
: 大屠杀啊
|
f***e
发帖数: 5443 | 33 “凡是和你谈理想的都是坏老板”
at
the-
of
declared
【在 b********n 的大作中提到】
: What is IBM really about?
: Palmisano is, according to HBR in 2006, “a true-blue IBMer, who started at
: the company in 1973 as a salesman in Baltimore,” with “a visceral
: attachment to the firm.” He is “a results-driven, make-it-rain, close-the-
: deal sort of guy.” He also famously held a ValuesJam, in which thousands of
: IBM’s employees joined in an open debate about the very nature of the
: computer giant and what it stood for. At the conclusion, Palmisano declared
: IBM’s commitment to three values: “Dedication to every client’s success,
: ” “Innovation that matters,” and “Trust and personal responsibility in
: all relationships.”
|
h*******u
发帖数: 15326 | 34 ibm在美国多少人？在印度多少人？在中国多少人？
【在 s*****r 的大作中提到】
: 大屠杀啊
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i***a
发帖数: 4718 | 35 大型主机和相关服务？
【在 S******8 的大作中提到】
: IBM主营业务是什么？
|
i***a
发帖数: 4718 | 36 IBM的几个lab也算是亮点了，可加起来也没有当时的Bell Lab 牛。
【在 y**********g 的大作中提到】
: 好事，听说ibm whartson要关门了，哈哈。我同学在里面惨了。
|
n**d
发帖数: 9764 | 37 IBM广告:弯下腰是为了让您看见我们
【在 s*****r 的大作中提到】
: 大屠杀啊
|
m**i
发帖数: 9848 | 38 好事，这些人能力是有的，需要更好的平台解放生产力。我ibm的同学去年刚去百度了
。 |
P****i
发帖数: 12972 | 39 都是混吃等死的，有个球的生产力
【在 m**i 的大作中提到】
: 好事，这些人能力是有的，需要更好的平台解放生产力。我ibm的同学去年刚去百度了
: 。
|
k*****r
发帖数: 21039 | 40 麻痹的早就是个阿三外包公司了，诈骗忽悠为主业。
【在 s*****r 的大作中提到】
: 大屠杀啊
|
|
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k*******g
发帖数: 7321 | 41 为什么？
【在 f***e 的大作中提到】
: “凡是和你谈理想的都是坏老板”
:
: at
: the-
: of
: declared
|
m**i
发帖数: 9848 | 42 国内的语境，谈理想和克扣工资奖金一个含义。
【在 k*******g 的大作中提到】
: 为什么？
|
c***s
发帖数: 4895 | 43 最近流行的一个段子
上一句是付你钱的老板是好老板
下一句是跟你谈理想的不是好老板，因为不想付钱
【在 k*******g 的大作中提到】
: 为什么？
|
C*******a
发帖数: 448 | 44 最好把watson那批人全裁了
【在 s*****r 的大作中提到】
: 大屠杀啊
|
M*******n
发帖数: 10087 | 45 很早就听我IBM的同学说他半个月才去一次公司，平时都在家上班，这样的公司搞得好
才奇怪呢。
按这个标准，下一个不是cisco就是oracle，员工都是一周最多去一天的。 |
F****y
发帖数: 145 | 46 "People have argued for decades whether IBM is a technology company, or is
IBM a marketing company. It is neither. IBM is run by the finance and
accounting people. It has been since Watson, Jr. retired. Brutal cost,
salary and pricing control is what rules IBM. "Cost Containment" is what
gets you ahead. Nobody ever dares to argue with cost-cutting, budget-
cutting, headcount-cutting. Innovation and vision are 10% of IBM, the rest
is accounting. As long as there are 10's of billions of dollars to play
around with, the engineers, development, sales and marketing people don't
have a chance." |
s*****V
发帖数: 21731 | 47 IBM就是被MBA忽悠惨了，不花时间做真正的科技，把精力都花在做咨询，和人力资源软
件上面。上梁不正下梁歪，大公司千万不能让MBA掌舵。
【在 s*****r 的大作中提到】
: 大屠杀啊
|
c****3
发帖数: 10787 | 48 IBM完蛋是早晚的事情，服务就是靠骗。
首先要把软件做的特别难用，才能让用户买服务。IBM忽悠用户的软件都是这个路数。 |
y**********g
发帖数: 2728 | |
a******9
发帖数: 20431 | 50 你们公司生意怎么样？还红火吧
【在 y**********g 的大作中提到】
: 祝贺ibm裁员
|
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k***n
发帖数: 185 | 51 That is exactly right for IBM situation
they
solid
【在 B**W 的大作中提到】
: That is a good example of bad strategy.
: Many US companies are cutting the so-called low-profit parts in their
: business. In short run, that does promote profits. But in the long run, they
: lose their customer base and customers are gradually switching to other
: vendors. There is no way just enjoying the tip of a pyramid without a solid
: foundation. The only exception is probably the financial sector.
|
c*****g
发帖数: 21627 | 52 分明是南亚次大陆
【在 b********n 的大作中提到】
: 好消息呀。活都转到大陆去。
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c*****g
发帖数: 21627 | 53 此奇葩系列ID最精世害俗的言论就是：
“彰显吾辈出国优越感”
“人生在世最大的成功就是把同学比下去”
【在 h*h 的大作中提到】
: 什么人啊这是
|
c*****g
发帖数: 21627 | 54 欧洲有可能
霉国绝对没那么多
霉国给个一个月最多了
【在 w*********r 的大作中提到】
: Severance package至少得一年工资吧。多拿一年工资。
|
c*****g
发帖数: 21627 | 55 re
【在 k*****r 的大作中提到】
: 麻痹的早就是个阿三外包公司了，诈骗忽悠为主业。
|
c*****g
发帖数: 21627 | 56 re
【在 s*****V 的大作中提到】
: IBM就是被MBA忽悠惨了，不花时间做真正的科技，把精力都花在做咨询，和人力资源软
: 件上面。上梁不正下梁歪，大公司千万不能让MBA掌舵。
|
w*********r
发帖数: 42116 | 57 工作满一年，PACKAGE就给一个月，最多不超过12个月。这不是基本标准吗？
【在 c*****g 的大作中提到】
: 欧洲有可能
: 霉国绝对没那么多
: 霉国给个一个月最多了
|
c*****g
发帖数: 21627 | 58 给一个月是欧洲和中国的基本标准
霉国是“工作满一年，PACKAGE就给一周”
无知小将对霉国法律无知到可怕
【在 w*********r 的大作中提到】
: 工作满一年，PACKAGE就给一个月，最多不超过12个月。这不是基本标准吗？
|
t*****9
发帖数: 10416 | 59 The Muffin Tops
。。。When the business starts to fail, Lippman asks Elaine for advice and
bribes her with 30% of the profits. She tells him that he must make the
whole muffin and then pop the top from the stump。。。
they
solid
【在 B**W 的大作中提到】
: That is a good example of bad strategy.
: Many US companies are cutting the so-called low-profit parts in their
: business. In short run, that does promote profits. But in the long run, they
: lose their customer base and customers are gradually switching to other
: vendors. There is no way just enjoying the tip of a pyramid without a solid
: foundation. The only exception is probably the financial sector.
|
t*****9
发帖数: 10416 | 60 "The separation package I have been offered includes 13 weeks of severance
pay and one year of medical (since I have more than 25 years with IBM). It's
called a ‘minimized separation allowance.’ I have 30 days to accept.”
【在 w*********r 的大作中提到】
: Severance package至少得一年工资吧。多拿一年工资。
|
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h*h
发帖数: 27852 | |
w*********r
发帖数: 42116 | 62 美国没有这方面的法规，是公司自主的。我们公司就是一年对应一个月，02年的时候，
我们公司重组，被LAYOFF的都按这个标准处理。我的MANAGER说我工作时间短，离职不
划算，如果我愿意，就和他一起去实验室工作。我才到了实验室的。
【在 c*****g 的大作中提到】
: 给一个月是欧洲和中国的基本标准
: 霉国是“工作满一年，PACKAGE就给一周”
: 无知小将对霉国法律无知到可怕
|
c*****g
发帖数: 21627 | 63 这是你们单独一家公司的“自主”
我周围一大堆拿1 week的，你要和我argue可以啊，
请你帮助他们的前雇主“自主”填平1 week到1 month的差距，我就倒戈支持你
对了，国内法律是一个月，有些企业甚至还“自主”到2个月呢，
哈哈哈哈
【在 w*********r 的大作中提到】
: 美国没有这方面的法规，是公司自主的。我们公司就是一年对应一个月，02年的时候，
: 我们公司重组，被LAYOFF的都按这个标准处理。我的MANAGER说我工作时间短，离职不
: 划算，如果我愿意，就和他一起去实验室工作。我才到了实验室的。
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u***r
发帖数: 4825 | 64 会不会有人说：“这得要多脑残才能相信IBM会裁10万人”。 |
r******n
发帖数: 4522 | 65 当初不想或不能写代码就去IBM当consultant，我就奇怪谁来养活他们。 |
