f********4 发帖数: 2883 | 1 最近俄罗斯大阅兵,有的中国人看热闹时了解到了俄罗斯在整个二战对德国作战中死了
2千6百万人,约其当时10-12%的人口,就替俄罗斯人感到想不通了 – 牺牲那么大,为
什么俄罗斯苏联当时不投降呢?投降了不就减少了牺牲,最大限度地保留了国家民族,
就像人家法国那样,一早就投降了,不就没有牺牲什么,战后照样是个大国。
这是典型的中国式思维方式,来自于典型的中国经验。可不是,中国历史上这么多次被
异族入侵征服,中国人打不过,投降了,结果呢,就生存下来了,最多被屠杀个几百万
,总没有像俄罗斯那样死几千万人,不是挺合算的吗?
可是中国人唯一没有想到的是,世界之大,中国人根据自身经验了解到的其实只是一个
极为有限的小部分,而大部分是中国人根本没有体验过甚至能够想象到过的。具体说来
就是,中国人根本不知道自己是谁,想象不到对世界上的大多数人来说,就连敌人都不
一样,所以在敌人眼里自己会跟敌人的其他敌人不一样。比如,同样是投降,法国人投
降的结果就会完全不同于苏联人投降的结果,因为对纳粹第三帝国来说,法国人是敌对
的自己人,投降了就饶其一命,而斯拉夫人却是不管投降与否都需要种族灭绝的敌人。
因为纳粹在纳粹看来,法国人是犯错误的自己人,而斯拉夫人根本就是非我族类的
untermensch, (subhuman,次等人类)。
以下是第三帝国灭绝斯拉夫人的计划。根据此计划,在战后30年内要完成对斯拉夫各个
民族的灭绝,灭绝形式包括驱赶,肉体灭绝,递解到西伯利亚,德国化。甚至连哪个斯
拉夫民族该死多少,驱赶多少,德国化多少的百分比都以德国人特有的精细计算好了。
其中,波兰为第一,80-85%要被灭绝,剩下的德国化。其次,俄罗斯人,计划很详尽,
50–60% to be physically eliminated and another 15% to be sent to Western
Siberia. 百分之50到60 要被肉体消灭,然后百分之15被送到西伯利亚。剩下大约有25
%,可能当印第安人了吧。注意这个计划不是战争时期就实施的,而是战后,渐进性逐
步实施,10年到30年的远期规划。
现在懂了吧,此敌人非彼敌人,东洋鬼子非西洋鬼子。日本人从一开始就没有想种族灭
绝过中国人,不过仅仅是想要点领土,想要征服中国人,进而使得中国人跟自己一起成
立大东亚共荣圈,也就是要强求跟中国人成为自己人。这跟想要杀光了敌人是不是完全
性质不同?当然。区别就是是否把敌人当作自己实际上的同类。
看完了,你们就该明白了为什么现在俄罗斯人一片鸡飞狗跳,一股劲地大谈第三次世界
大战,大谈种族主义。。。一朝被蛇咬,十年怕井绳。只有中国人还没有被这样的蛇咬
过,不懂得害怕。 |
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f********4 发帖数: 2883 | 3 From Wiki:
Generalplan Ost
The Generalplan Ost (Master Plan East, GPO) was a secret Nazi German plan
for the colonization of Central and Eastern Europe.[1] Implementation would
have necessitated genocide[2] and ethnic cleansing on a vast scale to be
undertaken in territories occupied by Germany during World War II.[2]
The plan entailed the enslavement, expulsion, and/or extermination of most
Slavic peoples in Europe, who the Nazis viewed as Untermensch and non-Aryan.
[2][3] The programme operational guidelines, prepared in the years 1939–
1942, were based on the policy of Lebensraum designed by Adolf Hitler and
the Nazi movement, as well as being a fulfillment of the Drang nach Osten (
English: Drive towards the East) ideology of German expansion to the east.
As such, it was intended to be a part of the New Order in Europe.[2]
…
The final version of Generalplan Ost, essentially a grand plan for ethnic
cleansing, was divided into two parts; the "Small Plan" (Kleine Planung),
which covered actions which were to be taken during the war, and the "Big
Plan" (Grosse Planung), which covered actions to be undertaken after the war
was won, and to be implemented gradually over a period of 25 to 30 years.[7
][10]
Percentages of ethnic groups targeted for elimination by Nazi Germany from
future settlement areas[11][12]
Ethnic group Percentage subject to removal
Poles
80–85%
Russians
50–60% to be physically eliminated and another 15% to be sent to Western
Siberia.
Belarusians
75%
Ukrainians
65% - Latvians
50%
Estonians
50%[13]
Czechs
50%
Latgalians
100%
Generalplan Ost envisaged differing percentages of the various conquered
nations undergoing Germanization (for example, 50% of Czechs, 35% of
Ukrainians and 25% of Belarusians), extermination, expulsion and other fates
, the net effect of which would be to ensure that the conquered territories
would be Germanized. In ten years' time, the plan effectively called for the
extermination, expulsion, Germanization or enslavement of most or all East
and West Slavs living behind the front lines in Europe. The "Small Plan" was
to be put into practice as the Germans conquered the areas to the east of
their pre-war borders. In this way the plan for Poland was drawn up at the
end of November 1939 and is probably responsible for much of the World War
II expulsion of Poles by Germany (first to colonial district of the General
Government and, from 1942 also to Polenlager).[14] After the war, under the
"Big Plan", Generalplan Ost foresaw the removal of 45 million non-
Germanizable people from Central and Eastern Europe, of whom 31 million were
"racially undesirable", 100% of Jews, Poles (85%), Belorussians (75%) and
Ukrainians (65%), to West Siberia,[5] and about 14 millions were to remain,
but were to be treated as slaves.[7] In their place, up to 8-10 million
Germans would be settled in an extended "living space" (Lebensraum). Because
the number of Germans appeared to be insufficient to populate the vast
territories of Central and Eastern Europe, the peoples judged to lie
racially between the Germans and the Russians (Mittelschicht), namely,
Latvians and even Czechs, were also supposed to be resettled there.[15]
According to Nazi intentions, attempts at Germanization were to be
undertaken only in the case of those foreign nationals in Central and
Eastern Europe who could be considered a desirable element for the future
Reich from the point of view of its racist theories. The Plan stipulated
that there were to be different methods of treating particular nations and
even particular groups within them. Attempts were even made to establish the
basic criteria to be used in determining whether a given group lent itself
to Germanization. These criteria were to be applied more liberally in the
case of nations whose racial material (rassische Substanz) and level of
cultural development made them more suitable than others for Germanization.
The Plan considered that there were a large number of such elements among
the Baltic nations. Dr. Wetzel felt that thought should be given to a
possible Germanization of the whole of the Estonian nation and a sizable
proportion of the Latvians. On the other hand, the Lithuanians seemed less
desirable since they contained too great an admixture of Slav blood. Himmler
's view was that "almost the whole of the Lithuanian nation would have to be
deported to the East".[11]
Whatever happened, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia were to be deprived of
their statehood, while their territories were to be included in the eastern
area of German settlement. This meant that Latvia and especially Lithuania
would be covered by the deportation plans, though in a somewhat milder form
than the Slav—"voluntary" emigration to western Siberia. While the Baltic
nations like Estonians would be spared from repressions and physical
liquidation that Jews or Poles were experiencing, in the long term the Nazi
planners did not foresee their existence as independent entitites and they
would be deported as well, with eventual denationalisation; initial designs
were for Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia to be Germanized within 25 years,
however Heinrich Himmler revised them to 20 years.[16]
In 1941 it was decided to destroy the Polish nation completely and the
German leadership decided that in 10 to 20 years the Polish state under
German occupation was to be fully cleared of any ethnic Poles and settled by
German colonists.[17] A majority of them, now deprived of their leaders and
most of their intelligentsia (through human losses, destruction of culture,
the ban on education above the absolutely basic level, and kidnapping of
children for Germanization), would have to be deported to regions in the
East and scattered over as wide an area of Western Siberia as possible.
According to the plan this would result in their assimilation by the local
populations, which would cause the Poles to vanish as a nation.[15] By 1952,
only about 3–4 million non-Germanized Poles (all of them peasants) were to
be left residing in the former Poland. Those of them who would still not
Germanize were to be forbidden to marry, the existing ban on any medical
help to Poles in Germany would be extended, and eventually Poles would cease
to exist. Experiments in mass sterilization in concentration camps may also
have been intended for use on the populations.[18] The Wehrbauer, or
soldier-peasants, would be settled in a fortified line to prevent
civilization reanimating beyond the Ural Mountains and threatening Germany.[
19] "Tough peasant races" would serve as a bulwark against attack.[20]
The seizure of food supplies in Ukraine brought about starvation, as it was
intended to do to depopulate that region for German settlement.[21] Soldiers
were told to steel their hearts against starving women and children,
because every bit of food given to them was stolen from the German people,
endangering their nourishment.[22]
Widely varying policies were envisioned by the creators of Generalplan Ost,
and some of them were actually implemented by Germany in regards to the
different Slavic territories and ethnic groups. For example, by August–
September 1939 (Operation Tannenberg followed by the A-B Aktion in 1940),
Einsatzgruppen death squads and concentration camps had been employed to
deal with the Polish elite, while the small number of Czech intelligentsia
were allowed to emigrate overseas. Parts of Poland were annexed by Germany
early in the war (leaving aside the rump German-controlled General
Government and the areas previously annexed by the Soviet Union), while the
other territories were officially occupied by or allied to Germany (for
example, the Slovak part of Czechoslovakia became a theoretically-
independent puppet state, while the ethnic-Czech parts of the Czech lands (
so excluding the Sudetenland) became a "protectorate"). It is unknown to
what degree the plan was actually directly connected to the various German
war crimes and crimes against humanity in the East, especially in the latter
phases of the war.[citation needed] In any case, the majority of Germany's
12 million forced laborers were abducted from Eastern Europe, mostly in the
Soviet territories and Poland (both Slavs and local Jews).
One of the charges listed in the indictment presented at the trial of Adolf
Eichmann, the SS officer responsible for the transportation aspects of the
Final Solution, was that he was responsible for the deportation of 500,000
Poles. Eichmann was convicted on all 15 counts.[23]
Civilian death toll in the Soviet Union
The Russian Academy of Sciences in 1995 reported civilian victims in the
USSR at German hands totaled 13.7 million dead, 20% of the 68 million
persons in the occupied USSR. This included 7.4 million victims of Nazi
genocide and reprisals; 2.2 million deaths of persons deported to Germany
for forced labor; and 4.1 million famine and disease deaths in occupied
territory. There were an additional estimated 3.0 million famine deaths in
areas of the USSR not under German occupation. These losses are for the
entire territory of the USSR in 1946 to 1991 borders, including territories
occupied in 1939–40.[24] The deaths of 8.2 million Soviet civilians were
documented by the Soviet Extraordinary State Commission.[25] |
w*********r 发帖数: 42116 | 4 苏联拼死抵抗很好理解,是两个民族的对决。
中国历史上根本就没有中华民族这个概念,只有朝廷。所以中国历来都只有国都的人才
有国家的概念。大多数人对于国家利益根本就无所谓。
说实话你们总不爱听。新疆、西藏、南海、钓鱼岛,中国人不承认那里属于中国,基本
上是共识。
【在 f********4 的大作中提到】 : 最近俄罗斯大阅兵,有的中国人看热闹时了解到了俄罗斯在整个二战对德国作战中死了 : 2千6百万人,约其当时10-12%的人口,就替俄罗斯人感到想不通了 – 牺牲那么大,为 : 什么俄罗斯苏联当时不投降呢?投降了不就减少了牺牲,最大限度地保留了国家民族, : 就像人家法国那样,一早就投降了,不就没有牺牲什么,战后照样是个大国。 : 这是典型的中国式思维方式,来自于典型的中国经验。可不是,中国历史上这么多次被 : 异族入侵征服,中国人打不过,投降了,结果呢,就生存下来了,最多被屠杀个几百万 : ,总没有像俄罗斯那样死几千万人,不是挺合算的吗? : 可是中国人唯一没有想到的是,世界之大,中国人根据自身经验了解到的其实只是一个 : 极为有限的小部分,而大部分是中国人根本没有体验过甚至能够想象到过的。具体说来 : 就是,中国人根本不知道自己是谁,想象不到对世界上的大多数人来说,就连敌人都不
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h****g 发帖数: 11365 | 5 看了纳粹灭绝犹太人加上希特勒种族言论,肯定没有人投降了。 |
w*********e 发帖数: 6093 | 6 杀猪,猪会哏哏不奇怪。
可马撸达也有资格谈论投降了?
这什么世道啊 |
f********4 发帖数: 2883 | 7 我相信,如果元首当年所处的世界跟现在一样,有大规模移民,有各种联网通讯方式缩
小世界距离,等等这么多机会深入了解中国人亚洲人,还加上有地球承担人类能力的问
题。。。可以肯定元首会认定第一需要种族灭绝的是亚洲人,特别是中国人。
没看见这网络上,但凡有小悦悦一类表现中国人怎样没有道德毫无人性的视频出现,下
面的西方人都跟着喊要种族灭绝中国人吗。没看见美国加拿大的主流媒体都戴着华人孩
子当众撒尿一类华人如何没有公德的事件大做文章吗。不要以为这都是说罢了。只有愚
蠢的人,才仅仅会以自己的行为方式预期他人的行为方式。 |
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m******g 发帖数: 621 | 9 那表现美国人变态的俄国人变态的你咋不说,自恨狂是不是。
出现这问题是因为国内的中国人不愿意给美国做狗,想抢西方世界的饭碗,人能不想着
灭了你么。
你说了半天都是瞎掰,根本没看到本质。本质就是:挡人财路如杀人父母。
一个10亿级别的发达经济体要把多少以前西方发达国家挤回发展中国家,是可以预期的。
希腊怎么完蛋的?有一部分原因是船运业被中远之类的政治性压价搞垮的。
中国就是个压路机,体量大。前面的小国家如同小汽车,稍一不留神开慢了就得粉身碎
骨。往前走的路还没修好,小汽车越开越慢。这帮人的恨是发自恐惧的恨,但很遗憾这
个压路机还有导弹核武器,一般小汽车搞不定。
当年英国被荷兰鄙视、法国被英国鄙视、德国被法英鄙视、美国被德法英鄙视,最后又
如何?读点历史 |
T*******x 发帖数: 8565 | 10 2千6百万相当于当时10-12%这个数据是不是有问题啊?俄罗斯现在的人口才1亿4千万。
【在 f********4 的大作中提到】 : 最近俄罗斯大阅兵,有的中国人看热闹时了解到了俄罗斯在整个二战对德国作战中死了 : 2千6百万人,约其当时10-12%的人口,就替俄罗斯人感到想不通了 – 牺牲那么大,为 : 什么俄罗斯苏联当时不投降呢?投降了不就减少了牺牲,最大限度地保留了国家民族, : 就像人家法国那样,一早就投降了,不就没有牺牲什么,战后照样是个大国。 : 这是典型的中国式思维方式,来自于典型的中国经验。可不是,中国历史上这么多次被 : 异族入侵征服,中国人打不过,投降了,结果呢,就生存下来了,最多被屠杀个几百万 : ,总没有像俄罗斯那样死几千万人,不是挺合算的吗? : 可是中国人唯一没有想到的是,世界之大,中国人根据自身经验了解到的其实只是一个 : 极为有限的小部分,而大部分是中国人根本没有体验过甚至能够想象到过的。具体说来 : 就是,中国人根本不知道自己是谁,想象不到对世界上的大多数人来说,就连敌人都不
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f********4 发帖数: 2883 | 12 可能数据有问题。我只是从YOUTUBE上俄罗斯人拿的数据来说的。他们说俄罗斯死了26-
27 million,而美国只死了几十万。俄罗斯死的人最多,其次德国,两国死的人分别占
他们人口的10 - 12%。
然后俄罗斯人说,We fought to survive, but the US fought to gain power in
Europe. 说的有道理的,美国是战争后期才加入的,照俄罗斯人的说法就是投机,站到
胜利者一边罢了。
10个德国人里就有9个是死在俄罗斯,所以说这个二战俄罗斯是主要胜利者。可是欧洲
人却对此不觉得对俄罗斯有什么欠债感,感恩的感情,因为他们知道,他们就是被纳粹
征服了,也没有什么大不了的,就跟法国一样。都是自己人,纳粹不会要灭绝他们的。
【在 T*******x 的大作中提到】 : 2千6百万相当于当时10-12%这个数据是不是有问题啊?俄罗斯现在的人口才1亿4千万。
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T*******x 发帖数: 8565 | 13 你这个感觉跟我很接近。我也是认为犹太人在美国的力量相比wasp还是弱小。算他20%
吧,这相对于他的人口数量已经是很强大了。但比起wasp控制的80%那还是弱小。
不过kayaker认为米犹控制联储,属于金融上游,比控制多少多少的商业银行投资银行
都厉害。
【在 f********4 的大作中提到】 : 你是不是又拿些犹太人如何控制美国,“米犹”一类的阴谋论视频来了,呵呵。 : 其实犹太人自己在美国不过是站在巨人肩上的矮子,不过有钱罢了,没有实际权力,是 : WASP的替罪羊。自己都泥菩萨过河自身难保。就是两个星期以前还有犹太人团体抗议洛 : 杉矶法院允许街车上刷上反犹太人的大广告呢。哪一天他们就会又面临灭族之灾了。现 : 在这些犹太阴谋论都是狡猾的WASP们故意造出来的,就是为了拿犹太人给自己顶罪。
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p***e 发帖数: 3852 | 14 没问题,前苏联的人口约为俄罗斯人口的两倍。
【在 T*******x 的大作中提到】 : 2千6百万相当于当时10-12%这个数据是不是有问题啊?俄罗斯现在的人口才1亿4千万。
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g*******t 发帖数: 7704 | 15 有片子讲, 斯大林野心大的很, 早知道德国要入侵, 而且坚信苏联能打败德国,从
而占领整个欧洲,
但小日本珍珠港,把美国拉下水, 苏联称霸欧洲计划就落空了, |
m******r 发帖数: 4351 | 16 确实,现代的工业化和组织化,使得大规模种族灭绝成了可能。毒气室就是成功的实施
例子。
记得有个小说叫法师伊凡,详细描写了里面地球和帝国进行攻略战,地球如何用毒气和
炭疽菌,成功地灭绝了一个星球上的原住民。
【在 f********4 的大作中提到】 : 最近俄罗斯大阅兵,有的中国人看热闹时了解到了俄罗斯在整个二战对德国作战中死了 : 2千6百万人,约其当时10-12%的人口,就替俄罗斯人感到想不通了 – 牺牲那么大,为 : 什么俄罗斯苏联当时不投降呢?投降了不就减少了牺牲,最大限度地保留了国家民族, : 就像人家法国那样,一早就投降了,不就没有牺牲什么,战后照样是个大国。 : 这是典型的中国式思维方式,来自于典型的中国经验。可不是,中国历史上这么多次被 : 异族入侵征服,中国人打不过,投降了,结果呢,就生存下来了,最多被屠杀个几百万 : ,总没有像俄罗斯那样死几千万人,不是挺合算的吗? : 可是中国人唯一没有想到的是,世界之大,中国人根据自身经验了解到的其实只是一个 : 极为有限的小部分,而大部分是中国人根本没有体验过甚至能够想象到过的。具体说来 : 就是,中国人根本不知道自己是谁,想象不到对世界上的大多数人来说,就连敌人都不
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b********n 发帖数: 121 | 17 那时候是苏联,现在是俄罗斯
【在 T*******x 的大作中提到】 : 2千6百万相当于当时10-12%这个数据是不是有问题啊?俄罗斯现在的人口才1亿4千万。
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f********4 发帖数: 2883 | 18 对,俄罗斯人就是这么算的。他们到现在还把苏联当成自己。那上面跟美国人辩论最厉
害的一个ID自称朱可夫(苏联朱可夫元帅),那个气势汹汹,既有学者的知识能力,又
有街头混混的满口粗话。他常说 My people,美国人问谁是你的人民,答曰,Every
one born in Russia or the USSR. 也就是,连乌克兰人跟他们打起来了,他们还是知
道乌克兰人其实是自己人。他还说,If you touch us, or touch our ally,we will
touch you, painfully.
这是什么样的仗义啊。如果中国能够有这样的盟友,简直是上帝的礼物。
【在 b********n 的大作中提到】 : 那时候是苏联,现在是俄罗斯
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f********4 发帖数: 2883 | 19 绝对。更有效的是核武,直接就把人氢化了,毒气室都没必要了。
【在 m******r 的大作中提到】 : 确实,现代的工业化和组织化,使得大规模种族灭绝成了可能。毒气室就是成功的实施 : 例子。 : 记得有个小说叫法师伊凡,详细描写了里面地球和帝国进行攻略战,地球如何用毒气和 : 炭疽菌,成功地灭绝了一个星球上的原住民。
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f********4 发帖数: 2883 | 20 你这个说的很对 - 一个10亿级别的发达经济体要把多少以前西方发达国家挤回发展中
国家,是可以预期的。所以中国毫无疑问会成为美国西方的第一敌人,而不是资源雄厚
的俄罗斯。俄罗斯照我看根本就是一朝被蛇咬,十年怕井绳,杯弓蛇影,自己吓唬自己
了。而中国还那么懵懵懂懂,一副愚钝的样子。。。
你说的自恨我不同意。中国人的确是自从改开以来道德沦丧的厉害,可能是中国历史上
最糟糕的时候了吧。不仅仅是被人嫉恨,还的确自身也有问题。
的。
【在 m******g 的大作中提到】 : 那表现美国人变态的俄国人变态的你咋不说,自恨狂是不是。 : 出现这问题是因为国内的中国人不愿意给美国做狗,想抢西方世界的饭碗,人能不想着 : 灭了你么。 : 你说了半天都是瞎掰,根本没看到本质。本质就是:挡人财路如杀人父母。 : 一个10亿级别的发达经济体要把多少以前西方发达国家挤回发展中国家,是可以预期的。 : 希腊怎么完蛋的?有一部分原因是船运业被中远之类的政治性压价搞垮的。 : 中国就是个压路机,体量大。前面的小国家如同小汽车,稍一不留神开慢了就得粉身碎 : 骨。往前走的路还没修好,小汽车越开越慢。这帮人的恨是发自恐惧的恨,但很遗憾这 : 个压路机还有导弹核武器,一般小汽车搞不定。 : 当年英国被荷兰鄙视、法国被英国鄙视、德国被法英鄙视、美国被德法英鄙视,最后又
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m******g 发帖数: 621 | 21 TG政策才是正确的。就是闷声发大财。
实力不够到处挑事儿会死的很惨的。
道德沦丧是法治不健全和财富快速增长共同作用的。法制不健全导致人做坏事成本很低
(或者相对于可能的收益来说比较低)。财富在过去30年内快速增长,很多周围的人因
为各种原因发了财了,这起到了一个怂恿大家赚快钱的作用。两者和一起就导致了社会
道德沦丧。美国当年黄金时代也是如此。
显然的是,等财富积累足够,社会发展逐渐减慢,社会阶级分层完毕,这种道德沦丧会
逐渐消失
为什么不照搬美国的法律或者其他发达国家的法律呢?因为刚开始限制的太严很多新生
事物就根本没机会发展。
【在 f********4 的大作中提到】 : 你这个说的很对 - 一个10亿级别的发达经济体要把多少以前西方发达国家挤回发展中 : 国家,是可以预期的。所以中国毫无疑问会成为美国西方的第一敌人,而不是资源雄厚 : 的俄罗斯。俄罗斯照我看根本就是一朝被蛇咬,十年怕井绳,杯弓蛇影,自己吓唬自己 : 了。而中国还那么懵懵懂懂,一副愚钝的样子。。。 : 你说的自恨我不同意。中国人的确是自从改开以来道德沦丧的厉害,可能是中国历史上 : 最糟糕的时候了吧。不仅仅是被人嫉恨,还的确自身也有问题。 : : 的。
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f********4 发帖数: 2883 | 22 可马撸达也有资格谈论投降了?可马撸达是什么?
我倒是想起了买买提上那个说中美打起来要帮美国打中国的ID,傻兮兮地把自己比作德
国人,说是德国人二战都帮美国打德国了。。。真的是不知道自己是谁。不知道天高地
厚的愚蠢。
中国人,最需要的是学会了解他人,只有充分了解了,才会理解和预期他人的行为方式
。不要这样愚昧地坚持一厢情愿的中国式思维方式。
【在 w*********e 的大作中提到】 : 杀猪,猪会哏哏不奇怪。 : 可马撸达也有资格谈论投降了? : 这什么世道啊
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p*********r 发帖数: 7944 | 23 这个统计有误。
东波兰死了很多人,战时统计成苏联人口,战后统计成了波兰人口,死的是苏联死亡人
口。
当时苏联死亡率1.8%,老百姓被炸死饿死无数,出生率大大下降。 |
k*******3 发帖数: 3113 | 24 搞灭绝主要靠决心,物质手段是第二位的。看看蒙古人屠城,满清屠准哥耳就知道了。
【在 m******r 的大作中提到】 : 确实,现代的工业化和组织化,使得大规模种族灭绝成了可能。毒气室就是成功的实施 : 例子。 : 记得有个小说叫法师伊凡,详细描写了里面地球和帝国进行攻略战,地球如何用毒气和 : 炭疽菌,成功地灭绝了一个星球上的原住民。
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p*u 发帖数: 2454 | 25 u'd be very stupid to think Russians will treat Chinese as one of their own:
they r no less racists than Germans, and very afraid of China's huge power
and population.
【在 f********4 的大作中提到】 : 对,俄罗斯人就是这么算的。他们到现在还把苏联当成自己。那上面跟美国人辩论最厉 : 害的一个ID自称朱可夫(苏联朱可夫元帅),那个气势汹汹,既有学者的知识能力,又 : 有街头混混的满口粗话。他常说 My people,美国人问谁是你的人民,答曰,Every : one born in Russia or the USSR. 也就是,连乌克兰人跟他们打起来了,他们还是知 : 道乌克兰人其实是自己人。他还说,If you touch us, or touch our ally,we will : touch you, painfully. : 这是什么样的仗义啊。如果中国能够有这样的盟友,简直是上帝的礼物。
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t****4 发帖数: 7500 | 26 兰州烧饼, 哪有国人想不通为何苏联不投降? 艹 |
f********4 发帖数: 2883 | 27 Russians will treat Chinese as one of their own?
这个世界上谁指望谁会把别人看作自己人?俄罗斯人也种族主义,但是目前双方的共同
利益超过了敌意,只能够合作。歧视就不能合作啦?世界上哪里有那么完美无缺的事。
强者歧视弱者是难以避免的,但是俄罗斯是白人中间最不歧视中国人的。当年是俄罗斯
亲手为为中国建造出了整整一个工业体系。这个世界上这是迄今为止绝无仅有的。说明
俄罗斯有他不歧视,把中国人看作自己人的那一面。至于现在的歧视,中国人当年对苏
联的可耻背叛,要让俄罗斯人不歧视也不可能。
own:
power
【在 p*u 的大作中提到】 : u'd be very stupid to think Russians will treat Chinese as one of their own: : they r no less racists than Germans, and very afraid of China's huge power : and population.
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h*********n 发帖数: 11319 | 28 很对
【在 f********4 的大作中提到】 : 可马撸达也有资格谈论投降了?可马撸达是什么? : 我倒是想起了买买提上那个说中美打起来要帮美国打中国的ID,傻兮兮地把自己比作德 : 国人,说是德国人二战都帮美国打德国了。。。真的是不知道自己是谁。不知道天高地 : 厚的愚蠢。 : 中国人,最需要的是学会了解他人,只有充分了解了,才会理解和预期他人的行为方式 : 。不要这样愚昧地坚持一厢情愿的中国式思维方式。
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p*u 发帖数: 2454 | 29 "俄罗斯是白人中间最不歧视中国人的"
why r u always full of bullshit? check out Russian Neo-Nazzi here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLUxuq-E9yA
"当年是俄罗斯亲手为为中国建造出了整整一个工业体系"
so what? they did this for their own benefits. i want to arm my dog too so
he can bite ppl i hate.
"中国人当年对苏联的可耻背叛,要让俄罗斯人不歧视也不可能"
u r a stupid self-hater.
【在 f********4 的大作中提到】 : Russians will treat Chinese as one of their own? : 这个世界上谁指望谁会把别人看作自己人?俄罗斯人也种族主义,但是目前双方的共同 : 利益超过了敌意,只能够合作。歧视就不能合作啦?世界上哪里有那么完美无缺的事。 : 强者歧视弱者是难以避免的,但是俄罗斯是白人中间最不歧视中国人的。当年是俄罗斯 : 亲手为为中国建造出了整整一个工业体系。这个世界上这是迄今为止绝无仅有的。说明 : 俄罗斯有他不歧视,把中国人看作自己人的那一面。至于现在的歧视,中国人当年对苏 : 联的可耻背叛,要让俄罗斯人不歧视也不可能。 : : own: : power
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