w********g
发帖数: 3780 | 1 很有意思
What country does he consider the greatest challenge to America in the
coming decades? “In terms of traditional great-state relations, I do
believe that the relationship between the United States and China is going
to be the most critical,” he said. “If we get that right and China
continues on a peaceful rise, then we have a partner that is growing in
capability and sharing with us the burdens and responsibilities of
maintaining an international order. If China fails; if it is not able to
maintain a trajectory that satisfies its population and has to resort to
nationalism as an organizing principle; if it feels so overwhelmed that it
never takes on the responsibilities of a country its size in maintaining the
international order; if it views the world only in terms of regional
spheres of influence—then not only do we see the potential for conflict
with China, but we will find ourselves having more difficulty dealing with
these other challenges that are going to come.”
Many people, I noted, want the president to be more forceful in confronting
China, especially in the South China Sea. Hillary Clinton, for one, has been
heard to say in private settings, “I don’t want my grandchildren to live
in a world dominated by the Chinese.”
“I’ve been very explicit in saying that we have more to fear from a
weakened, threatened China than a successful, rising China,” Obama said. “
I think we have to be firm where China’s actions are undermining
international interests, and if you look at how we’ve operated in the South
China Sea, we have been able to mobilize most of Asia to isolate China in
ways that have surprised China, frankly, and have very much served our
interest in strengthening our alliances.” |
w********g
发帖数: 3780 | 2 当《大西洋月刊》记者杰弗里· 戈德堡问道，什么国家将会在未来数十年内成为
美国最大的挑战？奥巴马毫不含糊地给出了他的答案：中国。
奥巴马说道，尽管许多美国人希望他们的总统有能力对抗中国，但是，“我很明确
地表示，我们更应该惧怕一个衰落的、受威胁的中国，而非一个崛起的中国”。
“在传统大国关系中，我相信美国和中国的双边关系将是最为重要的。”奥巴马补
充说，“如果我们正确行动，中国也坚持和平发展，那么美国就会有一个持续发展的伙
伴，与我们一起承担维护国际秩序的重担和责任。如果中国失败，如果未来中国的发展
无法满足其人口需求进而滋生民族主义，如果中国感到不知所措而无法承担起构建国际
秩序的责任，如果中国仅仅着眼于地区局势和影响力，那么我们将不仅要考虑未来与中
国发生冲突的可能性，更应知道，我们自身也将面临更多的困难与挑战。”
在谈及美国的亚洲战略时，奥巴马表示，多年来，“亚洲支点”一直在他的外交政
策中具有最高优先级。他认为，美国经济的未来在亚洲，中国的崛起给美国带来的挑战
需要持续的关注。报道称，自上任初期，奥巴马就注重推动“重返亚洲”战略。在过去
数年，美国希望尽一切努力吸引亚洲国家走上美国所引领的轨道。2011年开始逐渐对外
开放的东南亚国家缅甸意外地成为奥巴马施行亚洲战略的首个良机。 |
d****o
发帖数: 32610 | 3 怎么翻译版把老妖婆阉了？
[在 wangdaming (wangdaming) 的大作中提到：]
： 当《大西洋月刊》记者杰弗里· 戈德堡问道，什么国家将会在未来数十年内成为
：美国最大的挑战？奥巴马毫不含糊地给出了他的答案：中国。
：........... |
w********g
发帖数: 3780 | 4 obama 真是人才啊，
战术上对中国软，但是战略上对中国的压力真是空前！ |
G*******n
发帖数: 6889 | |
w********g
发帖数: 3780 | 6 哈哈！good eye！
成为
【在 d****o 的大作中提到】
: 怎么翻译版把老妖婆阉了？
: [在 wangdaming (wangdaming) 的大作中提到：]
: ： 当《大西洋月刊》记者杰弗里· 戈德堡问道，什么国家将会在未来数十年内成为
: ：美国最大的挑战？奥巴马毫不含糊地给出了他的答案：中国。
: ：...........
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w********g
发帖数: 3780 | 7 中文是在凤凰下载的
编辑重新做了处理
【在 G*******n 的大作中提到】
: 怎么中英文不完全对应
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w********g
发帖数: 3780 | |
w********g
发帖数: 3780 | 9 克里和巴马也在攻击叙利亚的问题上产生了分歧。
克里希望对政府军发射导弹，逼迫巴沙尔下台，而很显然Obama不愿意这样，直接要求
以后军事行动的计划只由国防部部长提出。
而拜登也明确支持巴马，拜登私下对克里说，你忘了越战怎么打起来的了吗？
over the past year, John Kerry has visited the White House regularly to ask
Obama to violate Syria’s sovereignty. On several occasions, Kerry has asked
Obama to launch missiles at specific regime targets, under cover of night,
to “send a message” to the regime. The goal, Kerry has said, is not to
overthrow Assad but to encourage him, and Iran and Russia, to negotiate
peace. When the Assad alliance has had the upper hand on the battlefield, as
it has these past several months, it has shown no inclination to take
seriously Kerry’s entreaties to negotiate in good faith. A few cruise
missiles, Kerry has argued, might concentrate the attention of Assad and his
backers. “Kerry’s looking like a chump with the Russians, because he has
no leverage,” a senior administration official told me.
The U.S. wouldn’t have to claim credit for the attacks, Kerry has told
Obama—but Assad would surely know the missiles’ return address.
Obama has steadfastly resisted Kerry’s requests, and seems to have grown
impatient with his lobbying. Recently, when Kerry handed Obama a written
outline of new steps to bring more pressure to bear on Assad, Obama said, “
Oh, another proposal?” Administration officials have told me that Vice
President Biden, too, has become frustrated with Kerry’s demands for action
. He has said privately to the secretary of state, “John, remember Vietnam?
Remember how that started?” At a National Security Council meeting held at
the Pentagon in December, Obama announced that no one except the secretary
of defense should bring him proposals for military action. Pentagon
officials understood Obama’s announcement to be a brushback pitch directed
at Kerry. |
d****o
发帖数: 32610 | 10 为啥美帝国务卿位子上老出傻逼？
从奥尔布赖特，鲍威尔，老妖婆，克里
只有赖斯靠谱些，还被小布挤兑
ask
asked
,
as
【在 w********g 的大作中提到】
: 克里和巴马也在攻击叙利亚的问题上产生了分歧。
: 克里希望对政府军发射导弹，逼迫巴沙尔下台，而很显然Obama不愿意这样，直接要求
: 以后军事行动的计划只由国防部部长提出。
: 而拜登也明确支持巴马，拜登私下对克里说，你忘了越战怎么打起来的了吗？
: over the past year, John Kerry has visited the White House regularly to ask
: Obama to violate Syria’s sovereignty. On several occasions, Kerry has asked
: Obama to launch missiles at specific regime targets, under cover of night,
: to “send a message” to the regime. The goal, Kerry has said, is not to
: overthrow Assad but to encourage him, and Iran and Russia, to negotiate
: peace. When the Assad alliance has had the upper hand on the battlefield, as
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l*******1
发帖数: 16217 | 11 据我这么多年的观察，巴马绝对是一个进退有度的聪明人，而且特别擅长借力打力， |
w********g
发帖数: 3780 | 12 感觉都比较强硬是真的
【在 d****o 的大作中提到】
: 为啥美帝国务卿位子上老出傻逼？
: 从奥尔布赖特，鲍威尔，老妖婆，克里
: 只有赖斯靠谱些，还被小布挤兑
:
: ask
: asked
: ,
: as
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w********g
发帖数: 3780 | 13 re
奥巴马对于主要矛盾和次要矛盾把握还是很精准的
而且会逐步造势，最终转换为优势。
【在 l*******1 的大作中提到】
: 据我这么多年的观察，巴马绝对是一个进退有度的聪明人，而且特别擅长借力打力，
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xt
发帖数: 17532 | 14 一般总统到了任期最后，就可以自我发挥，也熟门熟路了。一开始
制约太多，不敢这么干。
【在 l*******1 的大作中提到】
: 据我这么多年的观察，巴马绝对是一个进退有度的聪明人，而且特别擅长借力打力，
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o**********e
发帖数: 18403 | 15 老中道教提倡的 “无为”， 就是O8的 "Do not do stupid sh*t".
希拉里认为 “无为”不行。 It's too Chinese!
since we abhor and fear the Chinese, we must do stupid sh*t。
Obama could have had some Chinese influences in his education.
He lived in Indonesia as a kid, a few years after up to a million Chinese
Indonesians were killed as communist sympathizers (CIA supported,
Indonesia was the Rhwanda of its day).
"I’ve been very explicit in saying that we have more to fear
from a weakened, threatened China than a successful, rising China." -
Barack Obama. 我信他。 但是 他支持希拉里的
TPP and South China Sea Adventures that threaten China.
这个老子动画不错 可惜没有中文:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7zKTbN_XQw |
o**********e
发帖数: 18403 | 16 我看阿法狗的感想就是：
机人大战的第一步更可能
是“人人大战”。
这一关，没有组织社区，
老中就会被踢出局。
所以老中必须组织成一个有美感，
有灵感，有信仰的社区。
金钱利益都不能代替信仰。
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Military/45106781.html |
a********r
发帖数: 4013 | 17 狗屁O8要pivot to Asia，口号喊了多少年，一点实质都没有；土共在南海搞事，又让
朝鲜搞事，完全是和O8演双簧，给O8的pivot一点表面文章，否则大统领离任前在外交
上的承诺将来全盘破产。南海和朝鲜，就是为了O8的总统图书馆里能有几本书啊。 |
x******g
发帖数: 33885 | 18 克里其实是个战争犯
ask
asked
,
as
【在 w********g 的大作中提到】
: 克里和巴马也在攻击叙利亚的问题上产生了分歧。
: 克里希望对政府军发射导弹，逼迫巴沙尔下台，而很显然Obama不愿意这样，直接要求
: 以后军事行动的计划只由国防部部长提出。
: 而拜登也明确支持巴马，拜登私下对克里说，你忘了越战怎么打起来的了吗？
: over the past year, John Kerry has visited the White House regularly to ask
: Obama to violate Syria’s sovereignty. On several occasions, Kerry has asked
: Obama to launch missiles at specific regime targets, under cover of night,
: to “send a message” to the regime. The goal, Kerry has said, is not to
: overthrow Assad but to encourage him, and Iran and Russia, to negotiate
: peace. When the Assad alliance has had the upper hand on the battlefield, as
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w********g
发帖数: 3780 | 19 其实O8对你的疑问是有描述的，请看这一段
The president also gets frustrated that terrorism keeps swamping his larger
agenda, particularly as it relates to rebalancing America’s global
priorities. For years, the “pivot to Asia” has been a paramount priority
of his. America’s economic future lies in Asia, he believes, and the
challenge posed by China’s rise requires constant attention.
所以奥巴说了，是恐怖主义延误了“重返亚太-全球再平衡”的战略
【在 a********r 的大作中提到】
: 狗屁O8要pivot to Asia，口号喊了多少年，一点实质都没有；土共在南海搞事，又让
: 朝鲜搞事，完全是和O8演双簧，给O8的pivot一点表面文章，否则大统领离任前在外交
: 上的承诺将来全盘破产。南海和朝鲜，就是为了O8的总统图书馆里能有几本书啊。
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S**********p
发帖数: 331 | 20 巴马确实留下了很多legacy,在位八年系统性的改造了美国。
【在 l*******1 的大作中提到】
: 据我这么多年的观察，巴马绝对是一个进退有度的聪明人，而且特别擅长借力打力，
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b*****s
发帖数: 3390 | 21 欢迎加入中国人民的老朋友行列
【在 w********g 的大作中提到】
: 很有意思
: What country does he consider the greatest challenge to America in the
: coming decades? “In terms of traditional great-state relations, I do
: believe that the relationship between the United States and China is going
: to be the most critical,” he said. “If we get that right and China
: continues on a peaceful rise, then we have a partner that is growing in
: capability and sharing with us the burdens and responsibilities of
: maintaining an international order. If China fails; if it is not able to
: maintain a trajectory that satisfies its population and has to resort to
: nationalism as an organizing principle; if it feels so overwhelmed that it
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s******h
发帖数: 424 | 22 川普如果上去八年可以系统性地改回来。
【在 S**********p 的大作中提到】
: 巴马确实留下了很多legacy,在位八年系统性的改造了美国。
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S**********p
发帖数: 331 | 23 巴马至少是头都不回的一路向左狂奔，床铺忽左忽右的改个屁。
【在 s******h 的大作中提到】
: 川普如果上去八年可以系统性地改回来。
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r******g
发帖数: 691 | 24 The interview shows Obama is facing a dilemma:
On the one hand, America needs to contain and weaken China so America can
maintain its hegemony
On the other hand, a weakened and failed China will be very dangerous to
American-led new world order.
A typical sociopath mentality, very bipolar and fucked up brain.
So, who in their right mind will give a fuck to this man. He is pretty
fucked up. Why bother to give him a fuck.
一个日趋衰败的帝国面临一个狼狈周章的境地， 居然自以为是。菌斑一帮loser 居然
对这种混账逻辑狂舔一气。
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w********g
发帖数: 3780 | 25 很显然，他说a weakened and failed China will be very dangerous to American-
led new world order 这句话是官面上的话。
他经常说，希望中国和平崛起，他还说，重来不谋求遏制中国。
但是他做的从来就是遏制中国的崛起，他巴不得中国开枪武力对抗美国。
说他的策略不错，当然是站在美国人的立场上说的；站在中国人的立场上，巴不得丫的
策略得不到落实。
【在 r******g 的大作中提到】
: The interview shows Obama is facing a dilemma:
: On the one hand, America needs to contain and weaken China so America can
: maintain its hegemony
: On the other hand, a weakened and failed China will be very dangerous to
: American-led new world order.
: A typical sociopath mentality, very bipolar and fucked up brain.
: So, who in their right mind will give a fuck to this man. He is pretty
: fucked up. Why bother to give him a fuck.
: 一个日趋衰败的帝国面临一个狼狈周章的境地， 居然自以为是。菌斑一帮loser 居然
: 对这种混账逻辑狂舔一气。
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h****i
发帖数: 1674 | 26 选择trump老美就可以被中国逐渐孤立，风水轮流转，还不定谁孤立谁 |
f******t
发帖数: 19544 | |
f******t
发帖数: 19544 | 28 热
【在 r******g 的大作中提到】
: The interview shows Obama is facing a dilemma:
: On the one hand, America needs to contain and weaken China so America can
: maintain its hegemony
: On the other hand, a weakened and failed China will be very dangerous to
: American-led new world order.
: A typical sociopath mentality, very bipolar and fucked up brain.
: So, who in their right mind will give a fuck to this man. He is pretty
: fucked up. Why bother to give him a fuck.
: 一个日趋衰败的帝国面临一个狼狈周章的境地， 居然自以为是。菌斑一帮loser 居然
: 对这种混账逻辑狂舔一气。
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l****g
发帖数: 5080 | 29 非常中性的陈述，完全没有立场。也可以说希特勒在位时系统性地改造了德国。
【在 S**********p 的大作中提到】
: 巴马确实留下了很多legacy,在位八年系统性的改造了美国。
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