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发帖数: 20965 | 1 Chet Seligman Point Reyes Station, Ca 1 hour ago
Why do so many Chinese study physics and math relative to Americans?
The answer may be similar to why Germans, Swiss and Danes studied physics
and math, relative to Americans, prior to WWII.
That being, a long history of intellectual cultures in those other countries
and the lack of one here.
It is hard to be a cowboy and a physicist simultaneously.
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John Mardinly Chandler, AZ 1 hour ago
Hi-tech companies like Intel could not function without Chinese engineers.
Engineering graduate schools would be decimated without Chinese students.
All universities would suffer calamitous liquidation without the extra
tuition paid by foreign students. That is the reality. This well-meaning
proposal comes from profound ignorance of reality.
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msf NYC 1 hour ago
Now they notice? 10 years later? Our universities have been happy to take
tuition dollars from Chinese students on all levels for a long time. The
early generation is now back in China teaching their own (+ attracting US
and European researchers with better conditions than they have here)
If the tables were turned, would the US stop inventing and teaching their
own? No. The crisis is on the US own making:
China has long-term planning for the whole country, the US has short-term
profit for institutions and corporations.
It was Obama's plan to steer some of this development in the PTT, that had
its problems reasons but was generally a good strategy. Of course Trump
quits.
China invests in renewable energy, e-mobility, R+D in hi-tech. The US quits
the Climate accord, cuts education budgets, shrinks support for scientific
research and promotes 19th/20th century fossil fuel cronies. It puts
questionable interpretations of the bible over scientific reason.
To top it off, our 'democratic' government, proud of the first amendment,
forbids EPA scientists to speak or publish on science not in line with the
regressive Pruitt agenda.
I get confused, which scientist is living under a dictator and which can do
free research?
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Yan Shen San Francisco 1 hour ago
Sorry but the entire premise is stupid in my opinion. Ethnic Chinese
disproportionately contribute to American STEM vastly above and beyond their
actual percentage of the general population. Obviously selective
immigration plays a role in this but still, the idea that there's a clear
delineation between American technologies and non-American technologies
seems to be overstated in my opinion, given the highly international and
collaborative nature of modern day science.
One of the key names, along with Jennifer Doudna and Emmanuelle Charpentier,
in the development of CRISPR-Cas9 is Feng Zhang, an ethnic Chinese
immigrant to America. By reflexively describing CRISPR as an American
invention, one obscures the obvious fact that non-ethnic Chinese have been
significantly influential in the development of American STEM in the past 2-
3 decades.
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Leto Singapore 1 hour ago
Some of the comments here are clearly xenophobic and ignore the fact that
American achievements has been built upon the contributions of the foreign
immigrants, including the Chinese. IP rights is a chokehold to hold back
technological progress in developing countries like China and India. Why
should this be considered fair? When China starts to reach a more equal
footing with the west and develop their own technologies, it would be in
their own interest to protect IP rights, as is already happening. What we
are witnessing is that the US, as exemplified by Trump and his advisors, is
afraid of losing its dominance in technologies, and hence will try to do
everything it can to thwart the potential competition, even at the cost of
hurting itself in the process. Such a zero-sum mentality is part of human
nature, but it will lead to everyone’s detriment. After two world wars and
a cold war, we should know better than to falling back into old traps.
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Ted Johnson San Diego 1 hour ago
A couple of things:
1) Research in public institutions is PUBLIC. There are NO "INTELLECTUAL
SECRETS". If the Chinese want to know what is going on in US Universities,
they could 1) attend a scientific conference 2) read a scientific journal 3)
just ask the professor directly. Professors in every esteemed US academic
institution live or die by publications and research grants. For their very
job survival, they need to keep an open environment and discus about what
they are doing. Occasionaly they patent, but the whole patent system was
created in order to allow the science to cross pollinate. Anybody can access
and read a patent. Patent enfringement is an entirely different issue. It
is a legal issue, and the responsibility of the patent holder to enforce.
2) Chinese students, through their participation in US research have
contributed GREATLY to US science and technology advancement. This is not "
hurting" the US, but rather helping it immensely.
3) Allowing Chinese students to come to the US has GREATLY advanced the
cause of peace and understanding between our two countries. China now has a
healthy capitalist economy created largely by former US students.
3) If there is some secret research program going on somewhere, sponsored by
the military, in order to participate, SECURITY CLEARANCES are required.
Given what we see going on in the White House with regard to security
clearances,perhaps it is the security protocols that need to be re-vamped.
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VKG Boston 1 hour ago
They are afraid that sensitive technology 'could' make its way to China? Has
anyone noticed that the Chinese jets on the deck of that aircraft carrier
are exact copies of American jets? This has been happening for a very long
time at all levels of our academic and industrial research establishments. I
have personally caught Chinese employees stealing confidential work product
and sending it to China. It's high time we did something about it,
regardless of what the PRC threatens to do.
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j s oregon 1 hour ago
Trump is already doing a great job killing innovation and technological
leadership. The only reason this matters to him is because Chinese
researchers are not his base. Likewise, I expect most science and technology
researchers, regardless of their origin.
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Melvin SF 1 hour ago
It’s long past time that Chinese nationals be excluded from competing with
our children for university admission and our citizens for jobs. We’ve
created a massive 5th column whose loyalty is to a foreign power that
actively seeks our harm.
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La Ugh London 1 hour ago
We have done such things before: Jewish researchers from Europe, Japanese,
Iranians, and now Chinese. One day we will bar Nigerians or Zimbabweans from
accessing to our high tech research data.
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David Spokane 3 hours ago
We want the Chinese students and scholars to come to contribute our research
but are alarmed that they return to China to contribute Chinese research.
We support cutting edge research with taxpayer money grants but accuse the
Chinese government 2025 goal. Unless the Chinese change, we will hike the
tariffs, believing they will back down. This seems a recipe for a perfect
backfire.
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Wen OH 4 hours ago
This is ridiculous most if not all foreigner students came here is hope to
get a good job afterwards by keep them away it only benefit china/India
alike. Goto any STEM US grad school 80% are foreigner born. We are the
sponge that absorb talents from all over the world. Take that away well be a
3rd world in 20yrs
Watch YouTube "DR michio on America has a secret weapon"
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Tamza California 1 hour ago
Academia is the leaky path of national security. The US MUST encourage
citizens to the STEM area. Keep China / india out, no more infiltration!.
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Talesofgenji NY 4 hours ago
When Chinese students in the US studying sensitive topics have family
members in the PRC, notably parents, they can be pressured by the Chinese
Government.
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Chris Missouri 4 hours ago
A couple of things:
1) For years there have been advertisements for specialized employees at
laughable salaries. The corporations can then plead for a visa for a foreign
candidate (that they had in mind all along) who is the "only qualified
applicant". That game has been played for years to keep wages from rising in
the tech sector.
2) Don't you think it's about time that we realized the national interest
goes down the tubes when we allow global industrial espionage to take
processes developed in the U.S. (and elsewhere) to be used by Chinese
without regard to intellectual property rights?
3) I have seen firsthand the influx of Chinese students in the fall, loading
up their Lexus in the parking lot of Walmart with big screen TV's, steaks,
etc. Anyone who thinks they are poor college students needs to have another
think. They should be paying well over full tuition.
4) Combine (1) and (2) above. Let the market rates for techincal personnel
of domestic origin go through the roof. Let the Chinese go home with a basic
education. Send the Indian tech people home and let Disney employ Americans.
5) Of course, all of the above would not be profitable, so will never take
place in Republistan. (Borrowed word - I like it!)
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Ted Johnson San Diego 1 hour ago
Chinese foreign undergraduate students ARE paying full tuition.
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Cryptolog US 4 hours ago
Reflecting Trump's typical problem-solving approach -- running a bulldozer
over an irritating cricket -- this move actually comes from the basic
existential position of this Administration: not America First but America
Alone. Foreign scientists like the Chinese occupy key positions in every
technological enterprise of our gov't -- just visit any NASA facility to
confirm. And what do we take from these foreign, highly educated experts,
openly or secretly; is it more or less than what they take from us?
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VKG Boston 1 hour ago
It's much less. Most were trained here, and to the extent they flourish, it'
s due to the open intellectual atmosphere here, which is much more conducive
to new ideas and their development. More often than not, once those ideas
mature they are stolen and shipped back to China.
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Parkbench Washington DC 4 hours ago
Not just tech, although that may be the biggest security threat.
Consumer goods are a major target. Chinese flood shows and markets where new
products are introduced, collecting catalogues, taking photos, and getting
samples where possible. They can make minor changes to evade copyright and
trademark restrictions, produce quickly often using cheaper inputs, and have
things landed and in retail markets in the US often before the original
designers can deliver.
US companies lose billions annually to knock-offs, costing jobs and damaging
US balance of payments. American consumers think they're getting a bargain
but ultimately hurt the US, teddy bear by sweatshirt by salad bowl.
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Grant Amsterdam, NY 4 hours ago
Is our President's ego so large that he believes he can order scientists to
stop thinking - and that they will?
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LM NE 4 hours ago
On 60 Minutes this past Sunday there was a segment about the genetic CRISPR
research being done. There was one scientist, Feng Zhang, (from China) doing
research at MIT with this, who was profiled. This 60 Minutes program made
it all seem like this Chinese scientist had founded and developed the CRISPR
methodology, when in fact one of the co-founders of CRISPR, Dr. Jennifer of
UCB was barely mentioned. She voiced that this technology was patented and
is now being used and abused strictly for dubious profit. She has founded
and started a group of leading biologists, who are promoting an ethics
moratorium on using her findings for babies.
Whereas this groundbreaking discovery should be facilitated to benefit all
of humanity. Not just greedy, unethical companies, (or governments). This
MIT scientist (Zhang) is about to assuredly become a billionaire in China
with his absconded research. A very sticky bioethical wicket indeed here
with this one.
China could potentially use CRISPR to make superior Chinese babies.
Think about it.
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La Ugh London 1 hour ago
You haven't read all stories about this. See court rule:
https://www.nature.com/polopoly_fs/1.21502!/menu/main/topColumns/
topLeftColumn/pdf/nature.2017.21502.pdf?origin=ppub
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Ted Johnson San Diego 1 hour ago
For your information, CRISPR technology is already being widely used. This
is why we have an open system for basic research to help cross pollinate and
advance new scientific ideas. The research is not "absconded". Anybody can
get it by simply reading a scientific journal. The is a basic
misunderstanding in this country by non-scientists of how science works in
the US and why it has been extremely successful.
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Honor senior Cumberland, Md. 4 hours ago
Certainly a valid assumptiom, considering China's long term goal of ruling
the World! We need to train our own, not others!
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Eric Chicago 4 hours ago
Shouldn't we treat academics and research like any other field? Are we going
to start placing limitations or restrictions on individuals who covertly do
business, real estate, politics, etc. with other international governments
or corporations? While I'm an advocate for stricter immigration policy and
selective background prerequisites for sensitive jobs (let's be real, this
is already implemented for the most part), placing constraints and
limitations on citizens of Chinese descent is clearly the wrong mentality.
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LM NE 1 hour ago
Is it? Do not the Chinese place constraints and limitations upon foreigners
within China? If or one do not see any anything advantageous of letting
Chinese nationals with dubious cash buying up US real estate in valuable
markets.
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La Ugh London 4 hours ago
Chinese researchers? You mean all those who hold passports issued by the
People's Republic of China? Then our government has to invent another system
to pick out those so-called Chinese researchers and without mixing them up
with researchers from Taiwan, Hong Kong (British Overseas passport holders),
Singapore, Canada, Australia, U.K, France, Germany, etc. You will have to
make sure all principal investigators (PI) go by the rule and exclude those
"Chinese researchers" from certain research projects and research team
meetings. You also need to make sure no PIs mistakenly treat a Chinese
American researcher (U.S. citizen) as a Chinese researcher, or there will be
costly law suits. Our policy makers these days are so out of touch with
reality.
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Ted Johnson San Diego 1 hour ago
I am sure Trump will try to do just that. Ever hear of the Chinese Exclusion
Act? It has happened before.
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Alex Indiana 4 hours ago
This is a complex and difficult issue. But, the president is largely on the
right track.
Unfortunately, much of the water has already flowed under the bridge. China,
and other countries who are very much not our friends, have already taken
good advantage of the openness of our country to steal our technology, very
much including technology that can be put to military advantage. China also
requires American companies that wish to do business in China to "partner"
with Chinese companies, which allows the Chinese ready access to American
intellectual property. There is short term gain for American firms, but very
much long term distress to American competitiveness.
Previous administrations kept their heads buried in the sand, and let this
happen. So the onus now falls on the Trump administration. The president is
right to address these issues head on.
There will be a heavy price to be paid, including at American universities
who do benefit from foreign (including Chinese) talent and tuition dollars.
But American universities are just that - American - and most of their
funding comes from these shores.
This nation's long term national security is at stake, and we must set
policy with this in mind. We should collaborate with the Chinese and other
nations; the world is indeed flat. But we cannot give away the store, and we
must protect hard-earned American know-how and intellectual assets.
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Ted Johnson San Diego 1 hour ago
So to do what you say, we would need to shut down the US Patent office, and
totally shut down science in the US, because anybody can read a patent or
scientific journal. Fabulous. Trump doesnt have a clue what he is talking
about.
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citizen NC 4 hours ago
Both trade and the need to introduce restrictions on Chinese nationals
should be separate. At the same time, any action on one of these two areas
is bound to impact the other. That is to be expected.
If we are suspicious of how various chinese nationals behave in our country,
it has all to do with China as a country on the whole. China has this
nationalist culture from government and a belief shared by all their people.
With that in mind, whether it is students or business individuals, they
come out of their country in search of knowledge, which they want to take
back home.
US companies that went into China to set up their businesses and plants in
that country, are now being made to pass on the technological know how and
intellectual property rights, to the local counterparts. In many ways, US
companies have been benefited with the large Chinese labor force and the
Chinese customer base.
As much as the US and other countries see benefits in dealing with China, at
the same time, China wants to seek returns from the outside world. We see
in China with a different perspective. China's overall long term goal is to
dominate the world. China, still a communist country, does things
differently. Practising open market economics, the country is strengthening
their military might, wanting to expand their technological know how and
expertise.
If the WH is considering restrictions on Chinese researchers, it is
something that should have happened a while ago.
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Ted Johnson San Diego 1 hour ago
Allowing Chinese students to come to the US, and take our ideas and ideals
home with them was the very reason the student exchange was set up in the
first place, and it has succeeded WILDLY.
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emdee anywhere 4 hours ago
A. Restrict researchers from doing research based on national origin
B. Restrict the ability for high tech/medical research talent to stay in the
country by restricting H1Bs
C. Place high skilled immigrants on decades long queues to obtain a path to
permanent residency, making it prohibitive for citizenship
D. Restrict spouses of high skilled workers from contributing positively and
negating the taxes they would pay into the system
Is THIS the grand plan to maintain a scientific edge over the rest of the
world?
A country and it's economy are made by its human capital.
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OSS Architect Palo Alto, CA 5 hours ago
This argument assumes the US is the world's unique source of advanced
technology. While true for several decades, post WWII, the world is catching
up. An important topic at most scientific conventions and meetings is the "
chilling effect" that IP protection, and outright security legislation has
on the pace of scientific research.
Science benefits when it is "open". In my field, opto-electronics for fiber
data networks, some critical advances in laser technology came first from
Asia, not US labs.
China is overwhelming US NEPs (network equipment providers) in some key
areas, but that's because Huawei, supported by the Chinese government,
jumped into "fiber optic metro broadband networking" at an early stage to
become the 800 lb gorilla.
US broadband grew at the pace AT&T and Verizon wanted. Slowly, to milk US
consumers with the lowest CAPEX required. The US fell behind on "fiber metro
" because we didn't have the demand, and NEPs were saddled with supporting
older, legacy, technology.
If the US government funded basic research at the level it did in the 50's,
60's, 70's, this would not be a problem. The US Congress started de-funding
R&D in the eighties in the mistaken idea of Reagan and the GOP that industry
"could do it better" and privatization was key. It's not the case.
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Clap Hammer Israel 4 hours ago
'Science benefits when it is "open".'
Sounds great. What about royalties? China is copying non-Chinese
intellectual property rights. And not paying. And perhaps the owners don't
want to manufacture in China. Is that not their right??
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JLC Seattle 1 hour ago
@Clap Hammer: The proposal to shut down the US to Chinese researchers will
not help in that particular scenario. It might make it worse.
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bcw Yorktown 5 hours ago
For every one Chinese national that carries technical knowledge back to
China there are ten or a hundred that remain here and advance our technology
. The United States has profited for decades from the flow of the brightest
minds from all over the world into the country. Now with the hostility to
foreigners and the risk and uncertainty that a foreign student can hold a
visa long enough to complete a degree and establish a career here, more and
more of the best students are going to Canada or Europe or remaining at home
. China has built up their Universities - students don't have to come here.
That scientist at Duke invented the technology that we see as stolen - he
could have developed it in China (and it's overhyped in this article as it
is just active camouflage.) The United States is killing the golden goose
that laid all our tech eggs out of fear that some of those eggs will not be
ours.
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ANM Australia 5 hours ago
Restricting Chinese from participating in and doing critical research in the
USA and in other western countries is the CORRECT course of action. These
folks are taking this research to advance the cause of their country and
capitalizing on it. It has taken the collective work tens of thousands of
researchers in the west that has led up to producing innovative ideas and
the practical research that goes in unison with it. Giving it up cheaply to
"full" tuition paying students from China is tantamount to giving up our way
of life which has been built on centuries of back breaking work that has
been done by our predecessors.
What surprises me is how poor we are in our thinking to ensure our long term
survival whilst these outsiders want to get a foot hold in our countries,
take everything we have worked so hard to create and in the end would like
to see our ruin. President Trump is thinking clearly for the survival of the
western way of life.
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Phil Occoquan VA 5 hours ago
Individual Chinese citizens may or may not have 'stolen' secrets. Of course
we gave them those 'secrets' to steal for cheap labor and a failure to
educate our own children properly. Additionally, our public companies have
sold their souls and given away their secrets and technology to gain Chinese
market share. As all was done in the name of profit that was just fine by
the US government. The amount by hypocrisy and self-serving in the behaviors
our government and businesses have encouraged the Chinese. As usual our
leaders' solution is to demonize a group of people without evidence and to
look at the bad behavior of others, rather than look to what we have done
incorrectly. We will continue to make the same mistakes as long was we do
not honestly look at ourselves and our own motivations.
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Jay Pa 1 hour ago
Not without evidence. Other things you say are OK, but not the evidence part
. You ignore the required tech-sharing of U.S. companies manufacturing in
China, but those greedy U.S. companies mostly are after the reduced profit
which comes from lower-cost or faster-to-produce benefits of manufacturing
there. "If I don't someone else will" is a common excuse, including by
middlemen choosing suppliers, so they can sell to providers who squeeze
those wholesalers by, e.g., paying bills only after 90 days from when they
got the products. The story itself provides plenty of examples of evidence
of stolen technology.
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David Nevada Desert 5 hours ago
Re: Mark. And so it goes. On the heels of Marco Polo, the Jesuits smuggled
silk worms inside of bamboo poles out of China.
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James Osborn La Jolla 5 hours ago
The vast majority of Chinese researchers in the US has one overreaching goal
--to stay in the US. Yes, when you have thousands and thousands of
researchers, you'll have a few bad eggs who are incompetent as researchers (
and there are many such individuals from China and India). The honest ones
will just fail and return to China. The dishonest ones will steal
intellectual property to start companies in China, supported by the Chinese
government. The incentive is tremendous. Cheat and become a billionaire in
China and beloved by the government or be honest and assemble iPhones for $2
/hour. Therein lies the problem.
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Ben dc 5 hours ago
Congratulations Trump, you've ended the Chinese brain drain. Sending the top
talent of a 1.4 billion population back to Chinese Universities is a great
strategy to ensure that Chinese technology and research surpass the US over
the long term. Truly 7-dimensional chess.
I guess defense contractors will maintain their monopoly over largely
useless (but profitable technologies) for a few more years. So that seems
like a reasonable trade in exchange for ushering in the Chinese century!
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El Lucho PGH 5 hours ago
What I want to know is why nobody ever talks about all the software
development companies opening branches in China, India, Ireland, the Czech
Republic and other places and thereby making their software code easily
accessible from there.
Don't people understand that software is valuable intellectual property?
Our companies are off-shoring software development jobs in order to lower
costs and increase their profits. Of course, CEOs only care about their
increased compensation packages, engineering job losses and technology
transfers to other countries are not their concern.
The US has already lost hundreds of thousands of well paying jobs. This is
not a consequence of any trade agreements. It is just pure greed from IBM,
Microsoft, Computer Associates and many others.
Even banks, such as BNY Mellon abuse these practices. Don't they understand
that exposing their code exposes their operating practices?
These companies are just those I am intimately familiar with. Most large
companies already follow this model.
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Boweezo San Jose, CA 5 hours ago
This cat has been out of the bag for a very long time, a generation at least
. It will require wholesale and possibly illegal discrimination of groups of
foreign students to see this plan through. Iranian students are another
group, who have also been over represented in engineering schools, and have
good jobs in our country. The foreign students pay out of state tuition, and
therefore come from quite wealthy families. Many U.S. universities have
roving ambassadors all over the world, looking for eligible foreign students
with the ability to pay. Meanwhile we have “monetized” our university
education resulting in unusual debt to U.S. students and their families. We
need policies to un-tilt this have-have not divide. We also need to keep
supporting STEM policies, that encourage students to go into science and
engineering. Attend any graduation this May, and watch the enormous business
graduate section, vs. the science and engineering section.
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LM NE 4 hours ago
Not all Chinese students are from wealthy families. Some of them have their
tuition paid in full by the Chinese government. In exchange for certain tech
or other science or engineering information of course.
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Ted Johnson San Diego 1 hour ago
in other words, they see great value in educating their young people, unlike
in the US, where we send them to die in unnecessary foreign wars.
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LM NE 5 hours ago
Part of the problem here is that the Chinese government pays full tuition
for its recruited students to study in the US. US Universities love the
money but are also handing over to China not only our secrets but trained
students who will compete against us technologically in the future. Those
recruited students are also indebted to the Chinese government. They must
not only return (family ties often being bargaining tools) but bring along
with them intelligence. No free lunch.
We are such suckers and stunningly naive. They take full advantage of our
kindness (PC'ness) and generosity. Their students are security and
intelligence moles. But they all seem so innocent and non-threatening.
Exactly.
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Ted Johnson San Diego 1 hour ago
news for you: there are no "secrets" in US public education institutions.
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Pilot Denton, Texas 5 hours ago
Yep. I teach Chinese pilots. I think our school has given around 2000
Chinese kids pilot training. I talked to a gas station clerk and she worried
that we were training the Chinese air force. Perhaps this is true. What's
interesting is that there are dozens and dozens of these schools around
America and the world. Do the math.
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Clap Hammer Israel 5 hours ago
Bearing in mind all that we hear about Chinese infringements of US patents,
some more stringent 'control' over Chinese nationals studying in the USA
seems quite acceptable. Like what courses they can take.
Same should clearly be applicable to Russians and, any person whose attitude
to the USA could be seen as 'hostile'.
Of course, that may include some radical Americans too. Not only from the
extreme right of UK society too.
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joelibacsi New York NY 5 hours ago
This is so so awful. I teach these students and they are really smart and
work hard. This is academia at its best. Do we really want to stop these
great students from making advances in AI or microchip manufacture or a
hundred other high-tech concepts. The advances that they make in the next
decades will make the world a better place -- just as the great strides in
computers have for the last few decades. We need the best and the brightest
from all over the world and this fear of Chinese domination can put a real
damper on it.
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Gerhard NY 5 hours ago
Couldn't it be that China acquired the knowledge from passing the US in
supercomputers and quantum communication from the tooth fairy ?
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JLC Seattle 5 hours ago
This is not a smart move. In my twenty years in research labs, one thing is
clear: the exchange of ideas is two-way and no one has the monopoly on ideas
. Many Chinese scientists and engineers enrich our research programs
immeasurably. America is, for now, one of the best places to learn and do
science and engineering because of this.
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Joe Blow Kentucky 5 hours ago
The freedoms that Americans cherish, such as our open society is also our
greatest weakness & can be used against us by despotic dictatorships, such
as China, as it was by the Japanese & Germans in the second world War, & by
the Russians in the Cold War.You cannot combat the Devil with angel wings on
your back.The question we must ask ourselves is it the intensions of
dictatorships like China & Russia,to have world domination, or just spheres
of influence that may restrict our markets.I believe it’s the latter, like
the Chinese in the China Sea.Either way, it has the possibility of being
restrictive
to our markets.We are on the horns of a dilemma, we cannot be an open free
society & open our secrets to potential enemies, blood is thicker than water
.I believe the answer is obvious, we must restrict our technology to
potential enemies, even though loyal Americans may be hurt in the process.
Our vetting process has ben a failure where it comes to guns or those that
mean us harm, ISIS is an example of this.This is one area that I must agree
with Trump.
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Bruce Rozenblit is a trusted commenter Kansas City, MO 5 hours ago
If our federal government is so afraid of Chinese students learning and
creating useful things, then why doesn't our government provide full ride
scholarships for our best and brightest so they can afford to go to college.
Why doesn't our government fully fund K through 12 so when our kids go to
college, they can compete with the Chinese kids?
The cost to get a Bachelors degree from a four year high end school easily
exceeds $200,000. Even if financial aid pays for 2/3's of it, they leave
heavily in debt. Then they have to get that Doctorate, another five or six
years. All this costs a lot of money.
China invests in its citizens. We do not. That's why they will overtake us.
Meanwhile, we continually defund education for market utopia. If this keeps
up, our top students will go to China and then stay there. China may even
build American universities as our nation continues to crumble under the
weight of conservative tax cuts and austerity for education.
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Fred Central Valley, CA 5 hours ago
Research in China is surpassing the US because China has invested heavily in
education and research. They don't need us anymore - we need them. The way
to reverse this trend is to demand a functioning federal government and to
invest in R&D. Innovation at the root level is the only way a strong,
healthy, and prosperous country.
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walkman is a trusted commenter LA county 5 hours ago
Leave it to the Trump administration to bungle handling a complicated
serious threat to national security. Complexity, subtlety and knowledge don
’t seem to be their strengths.
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Keith Folsom California 5 hours ago
How about spending more on research? How about hiring a science advisor?
This administration has absolutely no idea on what it is doing.
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TG Del Mar 5 hours ago
For decades, a third of Computer Science graduates students have been from
China. Before Tiananmen Square, most stayed in the US after graduating.
After T.Sq., many started returning. // Now, numerous US university
professors run biomedical research laboratories in both China and their US
university, including many California faculty. It more than doubles their
productivity and stretches their research dollars. Plus they can do
experiments difficult or not allowed in the U.S. this changes the U.S.
playing field for faculty who turn down the offers — and the female faculty
who tend not to get the offers. // UCLA’s medical/clinical database hack
two years ago was from China, via researchers in one of these off-shore labs
. This and other constant hack attempts have prompted stronger firewalls and
authentication. // What is the right response?
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SR Bronx, NY 5 hours ago
The cure to "stolen" "intellectual property" is simple really: "All
materials produced by or within the People's Republic of China (hereafter "
China"), to which the same claims a copyright, shall be regarded by the
United States of America as out of copyright and in the public domain; all
trademarks registered in China shall be regarded as diluted, null, and void;
and no patent granted by China shall be honored; until such time as China
recognizes and enforces the Berne Convention for the Protection of Literary
and Artistic Works to at least the same degree as the United States."
The upside is that China will most likely never attain that level of
conformance, in "covfefe"'s opinion or anyone else's; in which case more
works in the public domain for all to enjoy, and less fair use obstructed by
YouTube "Content-ID" and other such malware. Yay!
No silly trade war or obstruction of visitors' education needed, just a
recognition that China's like a copyright Pirate Bay and we may as well
return the favor.
Still, the exclusion of green card, asylum, and naturalized from this (
otherwise unhelpful) policy is sensible.
Colleges shouldn't be used as top-secret nuclear weapons labs anyway, which
would end that worry. If the "covfefe" GOP didn't shrink government to fit
in a woman's uterus, it could just build more of its own research labs.
Export controls on software shouldn't exist; fortunately, torrent sites make
them worthless. Hardware, of course, is a different story.
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Mark Canberra 5 hours ago
It would be incredibly niaive to think this doesn't happen. There is deep
suspicion in Australia that Chinese student groups are controlled by Beijing
. It would also be niaive to think that the practice is limited to Chinese.
The British stole silk spinning technology from the Italians in the 18th
century. Intellectual property theft is not a new phenomenon.
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Frank Boston 5 hours ago
Pretty clearly American universities, supported by the US taxpayer, have
been traitors — enriching their endowments and costing US students coveted
educations, while exposing us to foreign surveillance and technology theft.
Universities who threaten national security with loose or broken security
rules should lose Federal grants and administrators should be tried as
traitors.
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JLC Seattle 5 hours ago
Sorry, but you are very mistaken. Chinese students enrich our colleges and
universities. We need to make our education system pre college better so our
own students are on par with those from China.
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Rudy Ludeke Falmouth, MA 5 hours ago
It is not enough to just limit access to our emerging technologies by the
Chinese and tightening our security against hacking. The Chinese have
heavily invested in science and technology R&D and are on a path to surpass
the USA, even with a level playing field. Made in China 2025 is their
announced strategy to achieve world dominance in technology. We should
develop our own strategy to match theirs by heavy investments in R&D, akin
to the Soviet era, to stay ahead of them and other countries with fast
developing technologies like South Korea, Japan and the EU. Instead the
Trump administration in their FY 19 budget for science and technology
proposes deep cuts to many of the government S&T programs. Only defense and
national security areas are proposed to get a significant boost in R&D
funding. We have a very spotty history of ups and downs in science R&D
spending, continuing it is a prescription to disaster. The kind of long
range research we need for disruptive breakthroughs is not done by the
private sector that has a much shorter profit horizon as its target.
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DRD Michigan 5 hours ago
I work at a research University. I know that export controls are implemented
when there are collaborators from countries on the federal export control
list, including China. I honestly don't know what's involved in vetting the
collaboration, or how effective it is. However, I can assure you that
excluding Chinese citizens would have an extremely detrimental effect on the
university. A large proportion of our scientists are Chinese, as are a
large portion of our students, who pay full, international student tuition,
the highest tier. Also, as the article mentions, a lot of research is in the
beginning stages, not classified, and considered expanding knowledge "for
the greater good". This makes it very hard to protect.
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