k**********4
发帖数: 16092 | | w******a
发帖数: 64 | | k**********4
发帖数: 16092 | 3 你是老中?
【在 w******a 的大作中提到】
: 减税的钱还不是借的。借的钱还不是我们来还？
| g******t
发帖数: 18158 | 4 减税造成更大财政赤字，挖个大坑，总有一天要填
《列御寇·黄帝篇》记载了一个故事：说宋国有一个养猕猴的人，因为养的猕猴太多而
家财匮乏，于是养猕猴的人就打算限制猕猴的食物。他对猴子说，早上给三个橡子，晚
上给四个橡子，猴子大怒，直到他说早上四个晚上三个，猴子才欢喜。
于是有了“朝三暮四”这个成语。释义：聪明的人善用手段，愚笨的人不善于辨别事情
，后来比喻办事反复无常，经常变卦。
【在 k**********4 的大作中提到】
: 不说别的，税减了这么多，还不蜘蛛？
| k**********4
发帖数: 16092 | 5 黑驴8年国债翻了一番，怎么没人吭声，Trump现在各项政策，就是把钱工作税收都弄回
美国来，赤字一定会减少
【在 g******t 的大作中提到】
: 减税造成更大财政赤字，挖个大坑，总有一天要填
: 《列御寇·黄帝篇》记载了一个故事：说宋国有一个养猕猴的人，因为养的猕猴太多而
: 家财匮乏，于是养猕猴的人就打算限制猕猴的食物。他对猴子说，早上给三个橡子，晚
: 上给四个橡子，猴子大怒，直到他说早上四个晚上三个，猴子才欢喜。
: 于是有了“朝三暮四”这个成语。释义：聪明的人善用手段，愚笨的人不善于辨别事情
: ，后来比喻办事反复无常，经常变卦。
| g******t
发帖数: 18158 | 6 http://usstock.jrj.com.cn/2018/09/13032725084030.shtml
特朗普税改路上的“红灯”：预算赤字数目远高于预期
0评论 2018-09-13 03:27:12
根据美国财政部的报告，至2018年9月30日其赤字将扩大至3910亿美元，预计2018
全年的联邦预算赤字将达8,040亿美元，而去年同期的赤字为3510亿美元，目前，联邦
政府债务已经超过了21万亿美元，而根据国际清算银行的报告发现，2006年至2016年，
富有国家庭债务便从占国内生产总值的52%增至63%，另据国际金融协会（IIF）在7月10
日发布的报告称，全球债务2018年第一季升至创纪录的247万亿美元，较上年同期增加
11.1%，也就是说，美国债务占到全球债务总量的10%以上。
受特朗普政府减税影响，本财年前11个月，美国联邦赤字达8950亿美元，比去年全
年高39%。8月赤字升至2110亿美元，同比翻了一倍，税收下降3%，公司税减少50亿美元。
彭博社报道，对企业减税后财政“回本”的唯一可能的方式，就是跨国公司减少将
转移利润到海外，但他没有看到新法规阻止跨国公司转移利润的迹象。CBO最近的一份
报告显示，在当前这个财政年度里，企业税收入大幅下降了30%，大约710亿美元。个人
所得税和工资税收入增长了4%，大约1050亿美元。
美国国会估计，给公司减税未来十年将减少1.3万亿美元财政收入，这是1.5万亿美
元减税法案中最贵的条款。Morici说，税基扩大可以覆盖部分减税的代价，但不可能完
全回本。
无论减税是否已经“回本”，美国财政的窟窿越来越大是不争的事实。美国本财年
前11个月（截止到8月31日），税收仅增长了1%，同期支出却增长了7%，这直接导致财
政赤字如高血压般上升。
【在 k**********4 的大作中提到】
: 黑驴8年国债翻了一番，怎么没人吭声，Trump现在各项政策，就是把钱工作税收都弄回
: 美国来，赤字一定会减少
| j*****v
发帖数: 7717 | 7 鳖国的经济网站评论？
2018
10
【在 g******t 的大作中提到】
: http://usstock.jrj.com.cn/2018/09/13032725084030.shtml
: 特朗普税改路上的“红灯”：预算赤字数目远高于预期
: 0评论 2018-09-13 03:27:12
: 根据美国财政部的报告，至2018年9月30日其赤字将扩大至3910亿美元，预计2018
: 全年的联邦预算赤字将达8,040亿美元，而去年同期的赤字为3510亿美元，目前，联邦
: 政府债务已经超过了21万亿美元，而根据国际清算银行的报告发现，2006年至2016年，
: 富有国家庭债务便从占国内生产总值的52%增至63%，另据国际金融协会（IIF）在7月10
: 日发布的报告称，全球债务2018年第一季升至创纪录的247万亿美元，较上年同期增加
: 11.1%，也就是说，美国债务占到全球债务总量的10%以上。
: 受特朗普政府减税影响，本财年前11个月，美国联邦赤字达8950亿美元，比去年全
| k**********4
发帖数: 16092 | 8 减税带来的繁荣要经过一段时间才能显现出来，既然你们这么care赤字，每年发给非移
和欺诈的那么多福利你们怎么一点不心疼呢
2018
10
【在 g******t 的大作中提到】
: http://usstock.jrj.com.cn/2018/09/13032725084030.shtml
: 特朗普税改路上的“红灯”：预算赤字数目远高于预期
: 0评论 2018-09-13 03:27:12
: 根据美国财政部的报告，至2018年9月30日其赤字将扩大至3910亿美元，预计2018
: 全年的联邦预算赤字将达8,040亿美元，而去年同期的赤字为3510亿美元，目前，联邦
: 政府债务已经超过了21万亿美元，而根据国际清算银行的报告发现，2006年至2016年，
: 富有国家庭债务便从占国内生产总值的52%增至63%，另据国际金融协会（IIF）在7月10
: 日发布的报告称，全球债务2018年第一季升至创纪录的247万亿美元，较上年同期增加
: 11.1%，也就是说，美国债务占到全球债务总量的10%以上。
: 受特朗普政府减税影响，本财年前11个月，美国联邦赤字达8950亿美元，比去年全
| T***u
发帖数: 1468 | 9 非移和欺诈福利每年总共多少钱？
: 减税带来的繁荣要经过一段时间才能显现出来，既然你们这么care赤字，每年发
给非移
: 和欺诈的那么多福利你们怎么一点不心疼呢
: 2018
: 10
【在 k**********4 的大作中提到】
: 减税带来的繁荣要经过一段时间才能显现出来，既然你们这么care赤字，每年发给非移
: 和欺诈的那么多福利你们怎么一点不心疼呢
:
: 2018
: 10
| g******t
发帖数: 18158 | 10 https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/10/19/17989664/deficit-tax-cuts
-donald-trump-disaster-relief
Republicans won’t admit it — but their tax cuts blew a big hole in the
deficit
Trump blamed disaster relief funding for the deficit. It’s mostly the tax
cuts.
By Tara Golshan Oct 19, 2018, 11:40am EDT
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Republicans, once the party of fiscal responsibility, are staring down a
ballooning federal deficit, comparable to when the nation was still
recovering from the recession. But they’re refusing to acknowledge why: tax
cuts.
This week, the Treasury Department reported that the federal deficit grew to
$779 billion this year under Republican leadership — a 17 percent increase
from 2017, and the largest deficit since 2012, when the country was still
seeing the effects of the recession.
President Donald Trump has blamed the spate of devastating wildfires and
hurricanes in 2017 that resulted in $306 billion in damages and the need to
fund the military. “We had to do things that we had to do,” Trump said in
an interview with the Associated Press.
But according to the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), the disaster relief
funding increased the deficit by $40 billion in 2018 — less than 5 percent
of the deficit. The budget deal, which boosted funding to domestic programs
and the military by roughly $300 billion over the next two years, makes up
for $68 billion in the deficit, about 8 percent. Defense spending alone
increased the deficit by $23 billion — less than 3 percent of the total
deficit.
The major reason the deficit swelled this year: Republicans’ tax cuts. The
CBO has already estimated these cuts will cost $1.46 trillion over 10 years
— or roughly $1 trillion when adjusted for economic growth — and increase
the deficit by $164 billion in 2018 alone. The law is projected to add
another $230 billion to the deficit next year. Those numbers make any
emergency funding for disaster relief or military stimulus look like small
potatoes.
Republicans have spent decades sounding the alarm about the growing deficit
and national debt, which they say will eventually lead to the nation’s
economic demise. But when tax cuts blow a hole in the deficit, Republican
leaders point to programs like Social Security and Medicare.
Republicans’ big corporate tax cut is a big reason why the deficit is
growing
The deficit, which is the difference between how much tax revenue the
federal government brings in and how much it spends, is on track to hit $1
trillion in 2019. The laws enacted in the last year will add $2.4 trillion
to the national debt by 2027.
There are two main reasons this is the case: First is that Republicans
changed the tax laws, permanently cutting the corporate tax rate by 15
percent and temporarily cutting the individual rates. In 2018, the federal
government’s revenue was only up 0.4 percent — one of the lowest growth
rates in half a century. According to the Committee for a Responsible
Federal Budget, a bipartisan group that advocates for fiscal responsibility,
the slow revenue rate is in large part due to the tax bill. Taking
inflation into account, federal revenues were actually down between 4 to 9
percent this year because of the tax cuts.
The second reason the deficit rose is because the government also increased
how much it’s spending. Republicans agreed to a massive budget deal with
this year, in order to give the military the biggest funding boost in
history. To compromise with Democrats, the budget deal also hiked up funding
for domestic programs.
The Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget (CRFB) graphed out the
deficit, showing how the tax law (TCJA in the chart, a.k.a. the Tax Cuts and
Jobs Act) is the biggest contributor to the deficit increases. The federal
government came into 2018 with a base level of $515 billion in deficit
spending:
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As a result, the money the government has to borrow to cover its budget
deficit — the national debt — is also projected to rise. And again, among
legislation passed in 2018, the tax law is one of the biggest contributors:
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This was an expected result of Republican’s tax law; the changes offer
massive tax cuts for corporations, reduced rates, and double of the standard
deduction. To pass the bill, Republicans used budget gimmicks and rosy math
to make it seem like the national debt would be untouched in the long run;
they said the tax cuts would pay for themselves.
But even during negotiations, the reluctance to make sweeping changes
elsewhere to pay for the tax cuts, and the concern that the tax cuts wouldn
’t spur the economic growth Republican leaders’ said it would, made some
deficit hawks uneasy.
Now, nine months after signing the tax cuts into law, the country isn’t
seeing the increased revenue and economic growth Republicans promised.
Together with the budget deal, the national debt is expected to increase
from 86 percent of GDP to 94 percent because of these laws, a level of debt
conservatives argue is unsustainable and will lead to fewer domestic
investments and more government resources being directed toward paying
interest for the debt, rather than on growing the economy.
Republicans won’t blame tax cuts for the deficit — but they can’t agree
on what to blame
Republicans hate deficit spending, but they will never say their tax cuts
are to blame.
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell called the latest deficit report “
very disturbing,” only to add that it’s “not a Republican problem.”
“It’s a bipartisan problem: Unwillingness to address the real drivers of
the debt by doing anything to adjust those programs to the demographics of
America in the future,” McConnell told Bloomberg News, saying that Congress
should turn to cutting entitlement programs.
That’s an agenda House Speaker Paul Ryan laid out almost immediately after
passing the tax bill. He sounded the alarm about an out-of-control deficit
problem by calling for cuts to programs like Social Security, Medicare, and
food stamps.
But in an interview with the Associated Press, Trump, who has promised to
leave Medicare and Social Security untouched, nixed the idea. Here’s the
exchange:
AP: Mitch McConnell said he wants to consider entitlement reform.
TRUMP: Wants to consider what?
AP: Entitlement reform — changes to Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid.
TRUMP: That I haven’t heard.
AP: OK.
TRUMP: I haven’t heard that. I’m leaving Social Security. I’m not
touching Social Security.
Ironically, it’s this dissonance between Trump and McConnell that explains
why Congress keeps seeing the deficit and national debt grow. Republicans
didn’t want to compromise with Democrats on their tax bill, and Democrats,
as the minority party, used as much political capital as could to make sure
domestic programs got funded.
Politically, cutting taxes and giving the military a funding boost is much
easier than cutting programs America’s oldest and poorest citizens rely on.
And for Republican leaders, it’s even easier to blame Democrats for the
deficit. | | | g******t
发帖数: 18158 | 11 https://www.defensenews.com/smr/federal-budget/2018/10/19/seeing-red-us-
deficit-jumps-779-billion-adding-budget-pressure/
Seeing red: US deficit jumps $779 billion, adding budget pressure
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WASHINGTON — The U.S. federal government is sliding deeper into the red.
The country’s deficit rose to $779 billion in fiscal 2018, its highest
level in six years as Republican-led tax cuts caused the government to
borrow more heavily. That represents a jump of 17 percent over last year,
the largest figure since 2012, when the U.S. was spending to stimulate its
economy.
The higher deficit spending is expected to add downward pressure on future
defense budgets. On Tuesday, U.S. President Donald Trump called for
government spending to be cut 5 percent across every federal department, and
while his prescription for future defense spending was confused, he seemed
to suggest a cut from $717 billion in FY19 to $700 billion in FY20.
The U.S. Treasury announced Monday the deficit rose $113 billion over the
previous year as government spending outpaced revenues. Receipts were
generally flat in FY18, while spending increased 3.2 percent as Congress
gave more funds for military and domestic programs.
“President Trump prioritized making a significant investment in America’s
military after years of reductions in military spending undermined our
preparedness and national security,” Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said.
The Defense Department’s portion of outlays totaled $600.7 billion, which
was $8.1 billion or 1.4 percent higher than estimated. The difference was
attributed to higher-than-expected disbursements for aircraft and other Air
Force procurement contracts ($5 billion), outlays for Army military
personnel ($2.5 billion), disbursements for revolving and management funds (
$1.5 billion), and disbursements for research, development, test and
evaluation contracts ($1.2 billion). | g******t
发帖数: 18158 | 12 https://www.weeklystandard.com/irwin-m-stelzer/national-debt-under-trump-
rises-to-21-7-trillion
Trump's Debt
IRWIN M. STELZER
5 MIN READ
Trump said he would erase America's debt in 8 years. It's now bigger than
ever.
As a candidate, Donald Trump promised to get rid of the entire national debt
“over a period of eight years.” When this promise was made, the national
debt stood at $19 trillion; it has since risen to $21.7 trillion. In the
fiscal year ending September 30, it grew by $779 billion, up 17 percent from
$666 billion in fiscal 2017. This year, after the Trump tax cuts take full
effect, another $1 trillion worth of government IOUs will be issued.
“The deficit is absolutely higher than anyone would like,” says Kevin
Hassett, chairman of the President’s Council of Economic Advisers. “
Historically unprecedented,” adds Jason Furman, who occupied Hassett’s
position in the Obama administration. He feels that with unemployment
virtually non-existent, and the economy growing at annual rate of at least 3
percent, we should be paying down debt, not spilling more red ink over the
national ledger. Indeed, in 2000, the last time the unemployment rate dipped
below 4 percent, tax revenues rose 11 percent and the government ran a
large budget surplus.
How did candidate Trump intend to pay off the debt? First, he said he wanted
to renegotiate trade deals that he believed were destroying the American
economy. Second, drive the economic growth rate to 6 percent annually by
reducing taxes and the weighty burden of regulations Barack Obama loaded
onto businesses.
Trump followed through with both of these plans; the results are not what he
anticipated.
Two points can be made in Trump’s defence. The first is that the effect of
his rejection of all the trade deals negotiated by his predecessors has not
yet been felt. Nor has the effect of the tax cuts. Gary Cohn, who served as
Trump’s top economic adviser in the early days of the administration, is
the godfather of the tax cuts. He argues that by providing large incentives
for corporations to invest now—early write-offs of such investments—the
Trumpsters are encouraging investment that will, among other things,
increase worker productivity and hence wages, thereby eventually raising the
tax take from those higher wages.
Second, Hassett and others in the administration point out that despite a
hefty reduction in the corporate tax rate from 35 percent to 21 percent,
government revenues rose by $3.3 trillion in the fiscal year just ended. In
part this is because the economy is growing at around a 4 percent rate in
response to the tax cuts and to a revival of animal spirits as entrepreneurs
and corporate chieftains wake up in the morning wondering not what the
government is going to do to them, but what it might do for them. So Trump
may yet be proven right. And if that proof does not emerge by 2020, he an
always blame the Fed.
The problem, says Trump, is that spending rose even more, by $4.1 trillion.
Republicans were determined to shore up a seriously weakened military by
pumping $200 billion (estimates vary) into the Defense Department over the
next few years. They blame reduced spending on training for the increasing
incidence of naval accidents, and for the recent damage to more than a dozen
poorly maintained and inoperable F-22 fighter planes (cost: $150 million
each) at Tyndall Air Force base in Florida because they could not be moved
out of the path of Hurricane Michael.
Democrats refused to go along with the increased military spending unless a
like sum was allocated to social spending. “These massive increases [in
defense spending] are for the most part unnecessary and counterproductive,”
declared the Center for American Progress, a left-leaning think tank that
describes itself as “non-partisan” (its board includes John Podesta,
chairman of Hillary Clinton’s campaign, and billionaire Tom Steyer, leader
of the campaign to impeach Trump). Trump swallowed that very bitter pill and
went along with increased spending on entitlement programs. This week he
attempted to recover some of the lost ground by ordering each cabinet member
to cut his/her department budget by 5 percent, which will certainly provide
work for the number crunchers who will have to demonstrate that the goal
has been met without actually meeting it.
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Whatever the causes of the current state of the national fisc, two things
are certain. One is that deficits are rising, ballooning an already-high
national debt—and will continue to rise as rising interest rates drive up
the cost of carrying that debt. Add rising Social Security and healthcare
spending on an ageing population and we have “the beginning of a long-term
avalanche that . . . [is] going to get worse every year,” says Brian Riedl,
senior fellow at the conservative Manhattan Institute and author of “A
Comprehensive Federal Budget Plan to Avert a Debt Crisis,” published about
a week ago, which calls for reforms of Social Security and Medicare that
would include trimming benefits for upper-income recipients and some tax
increases.
The second follows from the first. When the next recession comes—and come
it will, probably in 2020 if many forecasters are to be believed—it will be
difficult for the government to deploy its major weapon, loosening an
already too-loose fiscal policy. Politicians are likely to regard further
tax cuts and/or increased spending that would boost already runaway deficits
as somewhere between imprudent and reckless, and worse still, politically
unpopular.
So the burden of countering the next recession will fall on the Federal
Reserve Board. But it, too, will likely be out of ammunition. It plans to
continue raising rates until they reach the 3 percent level that is
considered neutral—pro-growth without encouraging inflation. According to
the Economist, “the policy arsenal is still depleted from fighting the last
downturn.” The Fed “has less than half” the firepower it had when
confronting past recessions.
In short, America goes semi-naked into the next recession. Or stark naked if
the politicians have their way. Trump is talking about another round of tax
cuts, and the increasingly ascendant progressive faction of the Democratic
party is campaigning on a platform of free medical care and college tuition
for all.
Unless, of course, Congress recalls the words of Paul Ryan, the speaker of
the House who has decided to retire rather than continue as the president’s
point man in the House. In 2010 Ryan, the keeper of the traditional
Republican position, wrote, “Unprecedented levels of spending, deficits and
debt will overwhelm the budget, smother the economy, weaken America’s
competitiveness . . . and threaten the survival of the government’s major
benefit programs.”
Unless tax cuts pay for themselves by stimulating growth at a Trumpian rate
of 6 percent per annum. | w******a
发帖数: 64 | 13 我不支持民主党搞大福利。但共和党执政之后，赤字不仅没有减少，还扩大开支。
这完全和共和党宗旨相违背。
赤字是很要命的东西，就像你一家人每个月花的比赚的多，你觉得这是好事？
【在 k**********4 的大作中提到】
: 减税带来的繁荣要经过一段时间才能显现出来，既然你们这么care赤字，每年发给非移
: 和欺诈的那么多福利你们怎么一点不心疼呢
:
: 2018
: 10
| k**********4
发帖数: 16092 | 14 你转发的这几个报道没有一个能否定减税带来的繁荣长远来看会降低赤字，这几个报道
你自己详细读过没有？另外,如果你们还有一点常识就不会否认减少对非移和欺诈大福
利支出会减少赤字
debt
national
【在 g******t 的大作中提到】
: https://www.weeklystandard.com/irwin-m-stelzer/national-debt-under-trump-
: rises-to-21-7-trillion
: Trump's Debt
: IRWIN M. STELZER
: 5 MIN READ
: Trump said he would erase America's debt in 8 years. It's now bigger than
: ever.
: As a candidate, Donald Trump promised to get rid of the entire national debt
: “over a period of eight years.” When this promise was made, the national
: debt stood at $19 trillion; it has since risen to $21.7 trillion. In the
| w******a
发帖数: 64 | 15 如果共和党能够削减开支，平衡预算，我就支持共和党。但共和党现在的政策是这样的
吗？
共和党口口声声小政府。为什么大幅增加预算赤字？
我不在乎共和党花多少钱，只要你收支平衡就可以。可你看看过去的历史，大搞赤字的
统统是共和党。这不是很虚伪吗？难道你们共和党的执政方针就是举债分红？
【在 j*****v 的大作中提到】
: 鳖国的经济网站评论？
:
: 2018
: 10
| n********d
发帖数: 7676 | 16 别被川粉骗了。奥巴马时期赤字是降低的。
The deficit hit $1.4 trillion in fiscal year 2009. As we’ve documented
elsewhere, Obama inherited most of that deficit and signed spending measures
that contributed as much as $203 billion to FY 2009’s red ink.
After that, the yearly deficits declined markedly for several years. In
fiscal year 2015, the deficit was $438 billion, a drop of 69 percent from FY
2009.
But deficits were again on the rise as Obama left office. The nonpartisan
Congressional Budget Office estimated in June 2017 that the deficit for FY
2017 — which ends Sept. 30 and is the last one for which Obama signed
spending bills — will increase to $693 billion.
CBO also projects that under current law, annual deficits will again exceed
$1 trillion in 2022 and beyond. As things stand, federal debt owed to the
public will reach 80 percent of GDP in 2020, and more than 91 percent in
2027, CBO projects.
【在 w******a 的大作中提到】
: 我不支持民主党搞大福利。但共和党执政之后，赤字不仅没有减少，还扩大开支。
: 这完全和共和党宗旨相违背。
: 赤字是很要命的东西，就像你一家人每个月花的比赚的多，你觉得这是好事？
| k**********4
发帖数: 16092 | 17 黑驴八年赤字翻一番他自己都没有否认过，放开非移，增加福利，黑驴care,GDP和现在
比更低，他降低赤字的钱哪来的？你才真是个骗子
measures
FY
【在 n********d 的大作中提到】
: 别被川粉骗了。奥巴马时期赤字是降低的。
: The deficit hit $1.4 trillion in fiscal year 2009. As we’ve documented
: elsewhere, Obama inherited most of that deficit and signed spending measures
: that contributed as much as $203 billion to FY 2009’s red ink.
: After that, the yearly deficits declined markedly for several years. In
: fiscal year 2015, the deficit was $438 billion, a drop of 69 percent from FY
: 2009.
: But deficits were again on the rise as Obama left office. The nonpartisan
: Congressional Budget Office estimated in June 2017 that the deficit for FY
: 2017 — which ends Sept. 30 and is the last one for which Obama signed
| n********d
发帖数: 7676 | 18 伯南克也是这个观点，刺激应该在经济不好的时候，经济周期决定危机迟早会来，那时
就少了很多手段。不过主流经济学家基本都不如川粉懂经济。呵呵。
【在 g******t 的大作中提到】
: https://www.weeklystandard.com/irwin-m-stelzer/national-debt-under-trump-
: rises-to-21-7-trillion
: Trump's Debt
: IRWIN M. STELZER
: 5 MIN READ
: Trump said he would erase America's debt in 8 years. It's now bigger than
: ever.
: As a candidate, Donald Trump promised to get rid of the entire national debt
: “over a period of eight years.” When this promise was made, the national
: debt stood at $19 trillion; it has since risen to $21.7 trillion. In the
| n********d
发帖数: 7676 | 19 你个蠢逼连赤字和国债都搞不清就瞎逼逼。神棍都这鸟样？
【在 k**********4 的大作中提到】
: 黑驴八年赤字翻一番他自己都没有否认过，放开非移，增加福利，黑驴care,GDP和现在
: 比更低，他降低赤字的钱哪来的？你才真是个骗子
:
: measures
: FY
| k**********4
发帖数: 16092 | 20 hahahahha,你个蠢逼彩绘认为这二者没有联系, go have a good time with yrself
and stop wasting other ppl's time.
【在 n********d 的大作中提到】
: 你个蠢逼连赤字和国债都搞不清就瞎逼逼。神棍都这鸟样？
| | | x****o
发帖数: 29677 | 21 共和党砍教育医疗福利，请问这些一共多少钱
增加的军费开支多少？漏一漏就够其他开支的了 | n********d
发帖数: 7676 | 22 最服的就是你们川粉这种撒泼打滚的本事。哪个傻逼说赤字翻翻的，有spin到两者有关
系了。操，你们这些川粉能不能有点decency啊？
【在 k**********4 的大作中提到】
: hahahahha,你个蠢逼彩绘认为这二者没有联系, go have a good time with yrself
: and stop wasting other ppl's time.
| k**********4
发帖数: 16092 | 23 你挑这字眼除了说明你理屈词穷还能说明什么？
【在 n********d 的大作中提到】
: 最服的就是你们川粉这种撒泼打滚的本事。哪个傻逼说赤字翻翻的，有spin到两者有关
: 系了。操，你们这些川粉能不能有点decency啊？
| n********d
发帖数: 7676 | 24 操，连他妈基本概念都搞不清还怪别人挑字眼。服了你们这些川粉了。
【在 k**********4 的大作中提到】
: 你挑这字眼除了说明你理屈词穷还能说明什么？
| k**********4
发帖数: 16092 | 25 OK, let's try it again,黑驴放开非移，增加福利，黑驴care,GDP 和现在比更低,他
降低赤字的钱哪来的？ | n********d
发帖数: 7676 | 26 俺有义务教你吗？再说了，经济学家被你们川粉骂的还少吗？你还是看你的圣经吧。
【在 k**********4 的大作中提到】
: OK, let's try it again,黑驴放开非移，增加福利，黑驴care,GDP 和现在比更低,他
: 降低赤字的钱哪来的？
| g*****g
发帖数: 64 | 27 恰恰相反，减税是短期刺激增长长期受赤字拖累影响增长。而且短期的刺激效果也是逐
年diminish。沃顿当年做了模型模拟过Trump的减税方案，目前短期对经济和就业的促
进和观察到的基本一致，当然赤字剧增方面也一致，长期的预测是影响增长。所以你说
的long term促进繁荣的理论比较有意思，不知道有没有模型模拟过支持这个观点？
: 你转发的这几个报道没有一个能否定减税带来的繁荣长远来看会降低赤字，这几
个报道
: 你自己详细读过没有？另外,如果你们还有一点常识就不会否认减少对非移和欺
诈大福
: 利支出会减少赤字
: debt
: national
【在 k**********4 的大作中提到】
: OK, let's try it again,黑驴放开非移，增加福利，黑驴care,GDP 和现在比更低,他
: 降低赤字的钱哪来的？
| k**********4
发帖数: 16092 | 28 o yeah,你们只有义务骂别人，没有义务解释，除了说明你们有个人利益在里面还能说
明什么
【在 n********d 的大作中提到】
: 俺有义务教你吗？再说了，经济学家被你们川粉骂的还少吗？你还是看你的圣经吧。
| x****o
发帖数: 29677 | 29
给你减了多少钱吧
【在 k**********4 的大作中提到】
: o yeah,你们只有义务骂别人，没有义务解释，除了说明你们有个人利益在里面还能说
: 明什么
| r***k
发帖数: 13586 | 30 反正谁支持床铺偶就去告发他家里用过福利，然后撤销他的绿卡公民。 | | | M**A
发帖数: 8 | 31 减神马税？州税都不deductible,mortgage的deductible也变少了，算来算去相当于没
减，可能还增加了。这种人就是嗓子喊得大，却没办什么实事。
【在 k**********4 的大作中提到】
: 不说别的，税减了这么多，还不蜘蛛？
| g******t
发帖数: 18158 | 32 减税就是吃春药，实在不行的时候偶然吃一丸，省着点吃没有大害。西门庆本来酒色过
度，不该多吃春药了，结果喝醉了酒，被潘金莲偷偷喂了好几倍剂量的胡僧药，结果在
床上被折腾死了。美国经济就是西门庆，减税就是春药，蘑菇头就是潘金莲
酩酊大醉的西门庆回得家来，一头栽进了潘金莲的卧室，倒头便呼呼大睡。原来，潘金
莲一个人在房中兀自郁闷，翻来覆去睡不着。一看男人回来了，便欲火焚身，又是用手
拨弄，又是用嘴去吮吸西门庆的阳具，可是那话儿软塌塌的，怎么也起不来。
于是潘金莲就从西门庆身上搜出那胡僧药来，那是一种类似伟哥的春药。她把盒中的三
粒“伟哥”统统用烧酒给他灌下。一会儿，那话儿跃然而起，只见它"裂瓜头，凹眼圆
睁，落腮胡挺身直竖”。此时潘金莲迫不及待地跃马而上，骑在男人身上，把那话儿”
顶入牝中（女人阴户），只顾揉搓。那活儿直抵苞花窝里，觉翕翕然浑身酥麻，畅美不
可言。又两手据按举股，一起一坐，那话儿没稜露脑，约一二百回。初时涩滞，次后淫
水浸出，稍沾滑落。西门庆由她啜弄，只是不理。妇人情不能当，以舌親于西门庆口中
，两手搂着他的脖项，极力揉搓，左右偎擦，尘柄（阴茎）尽没至根，止剩二卵在外。
用手摸之，妙不可言。淫水随拭随出。比三鼓（深夜），凡五换巾帕（床上的垫布），
妇人一连丢（女人性高潮）了两次，西门庆只是不泄。龟头越发胀的色若紫肝，横筋皆
现，犹如火热。” 这时，因西门庆感觉难受，就“令妇人把根下带子（一种男用性交
辅助器具）去了。还是发胀不已，令妇人用口吮之”。这时潘金莲索性“ 趴伏在他身
上，用朱唇吞裹其龟头，只顾往来不已。又勾勒约一顿饭功夫，那管中之精，猛然一股
邈将出来，犹水银之泻筒中，忙用口接，嚥不及，只顾流将起来。初时还是精液，往后
尽是血水。西门庆已经昏迷过去，四肢不收。”
之后几日，西门庆病笃，不能起身视事，只是病急乱投医而已。一天，吃了一个何姓医
生的药以后，居然“越发弄得虚阳举发，尘柄如铁，昼夜不倒。” 而潘金莲却还是不
顾病人的死活，到了晚上就又“骑在西门庆身上，倒浇烛掇弄（女人上体位性交），死
而复苏者数次”。
又捱了两日，西门庆感到 ”像火烧身，变出风来，声若牛吼一般。喘息了半夜，捱到
早晨已牌时分，呜呼哀哉，断气身亡“。是年33岁。
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: 恰恰相反，减税是短期刺激增长长期受赤字拖累影响增长。而且短期的刺激效果也是逐
: 年diminish。沃顿当年做了模型模拟过Trump的减税方案，目前短期对经济和就业的促
: 进和观察到的基本一致，当然赤字剧增方面也一致，长期的预测是影响增长。所以你说
: 的long term促进繁荣的理论比较有意思，不知道有没有模型模拟过支持这个观点？
:
:
: 你转发的这几个报道没有一个能否定减税带来的繁荣长远来看会降低赤字，这几
: 个报道
:
: 你自己详细读过没有？另外,如果你们还有一点常识就不会否认减少对非移和欺
: 诈大福
:
: 利支出会减少赤字
| j*****v
发帖数: 7717 | 33 呵呵，这个马统自己信吗？
measures
FY
【在 n********d 的大作中提到】
: 别被川粉骗了。奥巴马时期赤字是降低的。
: The deficit hit $1.4 trillion in fiscal year 2009. As we’ve documented
: elsewhere, Obama inherited most of that deficit and signed spending measures
: that contributed as much as $203 billion to FY 2009’s red ink.
: After that, the yearly deficits declined markedly for several years. In
: fiscal year 2015, the deficit was $438 billion, a drop of 69 percent from FY
: 2009.
: But deficits were again on the rise as Obama left office. The nonpartisan
: Congressional Budget Office estimated in June 2017 that the deficit for FY
: 2017 — which ends Sept. 30 and is the last one for which Obama signed
| B*Q
发帖数: 25729 | 34 正直的人
善良的人
有知识的人
【在 k**********4 的大作中提到】
: 不说别的，税减了这么多，还不蜘蛛？
| J*******8
发帖数: 528 | 35 减的税谁来还？油价又增加了多少？当年Bush也减税乐，后来怎样？
【在 k**********4 的大作中提到】
: 不说别的，税减了这么多，还不蜘蛛？
| r**********n
发帖数: 5281 | 36 你没见是眼瞎，不代表没人骂
【在 k**********4 的大作中提到】
: 黑驴8年国债翻了一番，怎么没人吭声，Trump现在各项政策，就是把钱工作税收都弄回
: 美国来，赤字一定会减少
| r**********n
发帖数: 5281 | 37 非遗诈骗那一丢丢赶不上白人老太太的Medicaid
【在 k**********4 的大作中提到】
: 减税带来的繁荣要经过一段时间才能显现出来，既然你们这么care赤字，每年发给非移
: 和欺诈的那么多福利你们怎么一点不心疼呢
:
: 2018
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