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b********n
发帖数: 38600
1
What you are seeing is rerun of the Apprenticeship President attempting to
bully china once again before the "Big Meeting" at the G-20. Why would Trump
and his band of midget liberal trade poodles be taking turns at the media
with their hard line poodle yapping at China? Somebody is trying convince
you of something. What could that be? Don't waste your time. China knows
what it's doing. US Soy has 30 days to ship before it starts rotting.
Meanwhile US Soy farmers and Hog farmers are on Trump Welfare.
Who wishes to fight must first count the cost - Sun Tzu
Trade wars are good and easy to win... Ding Dong Orange Daddy show his
ignorance. First Trade wars are not good and everyone loses. Shows
thoughtless ignorance by Trump as US is getting hit hard in Ag and the
supply chain. Trump Tariffs will amount to a mere $2 billion a year. Yet he
has paid out 25 Billion in Soy Farmer and Hog Farmer welfare in the first
six months. The largest check going to Smithfield farms ... a Chinese owned
company. Ag receipts are down over 44% this year. It is the worst farm year
in two decades.
"Let your plans be dark and impenetrable as night, and when you move, fall
like a thunderbolt."- Sun Tzu
China quietly outsourced all soy to Brazil, Argentina and Russia. They set
up oil seed operations in those countries, having bought Dupont Ag several
years ago. Brazil is doubling the US Soy production. Russia the largest
wheat producer will rotate into Soy which provides 50 pounds of nitrogen per
acre. China cut off pork and US Beef imports without a word and outsourced
to Brazil and others. China also started buying oil from Iran and cut off
Shale purchases. China didn't broadcast this to the USA.
What was Trump and the poodles doing? Every minute of every day they were
shouting in the media about increasing US Tariffs. Bragging that China
couldn't match them because China bought less American Goods than China
bought US Goods. Think of the lunacy of that expression! The US is more
dependent because they can't outsource supply chain. Trump is an empty
headed broadcaster. The mark of the bully is a loud threatening mouth. China
had already removed any material dependence off US imports and they did it
quietly with the speed of a thunderbolt.
"Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors
go to war first and then seek to win."- Sun Tzu
Trump blew off out of the heel spurs War room with Tariffs and blowhard
sanctions. Sanctions covering 30% of the global population. With that he
said this was negotiation strategy. That did not work at all. No negotiation
, no deals. This is also why NAFTA 2 failed. Trump failed to understand that
a NAFTA deal is impossible as long as he has Tariffs on the other parties.
They now have retaliatory tariffs on the US. Any trade deal with Trump is
easily defeated by Trump's arbitrary and capricious application of Tariffs.
Bottom line Canada and Mexico would not accept hard terms. The deal came out
as essentially NAFTA1 but Canada and Mexico were in no hurry to ratify.
They wanted to wait for the midterms. Trump got blown out and now the
Libtards say they want changes or won't ratify NAFTA2. Net result NAFTA 1
remains. Trump bullying lost the day again.
Trump continue to use the same bullying techniques with China with even
worse results. China trade is 4.2 Trillion and rising. Exports to the US are
up. Meanwhile with all the retaliatory Tariffs on the USA all US trade is
down 12% globally. Heel Spurs went to war then tried to figure out how to
win after he started losing. US Trade is a mere 15% of China Trade. The US
will never topple Asia. Further US Companies like China and Asia and are not
going to bend to a reckless Trump and his laughing stock of midget poodles.
China won this battle long ago. Farmers in shambles on welfare, US Auto
industry flatlined. US economy cooling at a rapid rate. US stock drop hard
with each new hardline Trump poodle that gets in front of a microphone.
Trump is in trouble and losing badly.
Read any account of late. China continues to "regret" the Trump's trade war.
They say there is little they can do. Meanwhile the US press such as CNBC
is always attacking China and claiming the US will mop the floor with China.
This was very similar to the kind of propaganda that surrounded America's
starting the War in Vietnam. It would be a "good war and easy to win" and
over in a few months. Sun Tzu says, "Feign weakness and inferiority and
encourage arrogance and overconfidence in your opponent." It takes next to
nothing to encourage arrogance in Trump. Trump is on autopilot arrogance at
all times.
"If you wait by the river long enough, the bodies of your enemies will float
by"- Sun Tzu
Trump is in a hurry. He wants ACTION NOW! Trump is a NOW MAN! China always
plays the long game. They know that in ten short years they will be the
largest economy in global history. In 20 years the China economy will be
twice the size of the US economy or larger. The Trump actions are so
disorganized that he has already lost. So China will play the long game.
That was Ho Chi Mihn's game too.
Trump celebrated his Tremendous victory in the Midterms. He lost the house
and is now a lame duck. China knows that Trump is now weak and desperate and
gone in two years or less.
They sent Trump a letter informing him that any trade deal arrangement with
China would be limited. The letter was cordial and not threatening. But it
was truthful. China is simply informing Trump that his trade war has been
lost. This is called the "Golden Bridge Letter"
"Build your opponent a golden bridge to retreat across."- Sun Tzu
Americans are going to lose as they lost from Smoot Hawley. The problem with
Tariffs is they generally keep them until the protected industry is
obliterated. Soy in America is obliterated. Autos are coming close right
now. The US economy is falling off a cliff. Corp earnings and guidance have
hit a brick wall.
Once in recession then Consumer products become unaffordable. Service
businesses collapse and soon the economy is in collapse. The 25% tariffs
against European Trucks and SUVs were put in place by Clinton to prevent the
"gas guzzlers" remember. It's still there for no reason at all. And you
know what... It didn't save the car industry from bankruptcy or the oil
industry. Nor did it reduce air pollution or reduce the carbon footprint or
global warming. All it did was hurt the consumer and the Auto industry in
America which no longer felt the need to compete when the competition was
blocked. Tariffs only block competition and destroy the industry's need to
compete, innovate, or control waste. Trump will walk the golden Bridge.
As a point of fact I am opposed to all Gov deals on Trade. Gov always
attempts to weaponize any trade deal and they are ultimately only a form of
soft protectionism. Hong Kong has little regulation and no Tariffs. They are
the world's best traders for their size. Further the US has a treaty with
Hong Kong and may not implement Tariffs against Hong Kong. Trump stupid
Tariffs don't apply to Hong Kong.
b********n
发帖数: 38600
2
China won this battle long ago. Farmers in shambles on welfare, US Auto
industry flatlined. US economy cooling at a rapid rate. US stock drop hard
with each new hardline Trump poodle that gets in front of a microphone.
Trump is in trouble and losing badly.
b********n
发帖数: 38600
3
Read any account of late. China continues to "regret" the Trump's trade war.
They say there is little they can do. Meanwhile the US press such as CNBC
is always attacking China and claiming the US will mop the floor with China.
This was very similar to the kind of propaganda that surrounded America's
starting the War in Vietnam. It would be a "good war and easy to win" and
over in a few months. Sun Tzu says, "Feign weakness and inferiority and
encourage arrogance and overconfidence in your opponent." It takes next to
nothing to encourage arrogance in Trump. Trump is on autopilot arrogance at
all times.
b********n
发帖数: 38600
4
"If you wait by the river long enough, the bodies of your enemies will float
by" Sun Tzu
Trump is in a hurry. He wants ACTION NOW! Trump is a NOW MAN! China always
plays the long game. They know that in ten short years they will be the
largest economy in global history. In 20 years the China economy will be
twice the size of the US economy or larger. The Trump actions are so
disorganized that he has already lost. So China will play the long game.
That was Ho Chi Mihn's game too.
Trump celebrated his Tremendous victory in the Midterms. He lost the house
and is now a lame duck. China knows that Trump is now weak and desperate and
gone in two years or less.
They sent Trump a letter informing him that any trade deal arrangement with
China would be limited. The letter was cordial and not threatening. But it
was truthful. China is simply informing Trump that his trade war has been
lost. This is called the "Golden Bridge Letter"
e******t
发帖数: 339
5
老美就是一群赵括
b********n
发帖数: 38600
6
"Build your opponent a golden bridge to retreat across." Sun Tzu
Americans are going to lose as they lost from Smoot Hawley. The problem with
Tariffs is they generally keep them until the protected industry is
obliterated. Soy in America is obliterated. Autos are coming close right
now. The US economy is falling off a cliff. Corp earnings and guidance have
hit a brick wall.
Once in recession then Consumer products become unaffordable. Service
businesses collapse and soon the economy is in collapse. The 25% tariffs
against European Trucks and SUVs were put in place by Clinton to prevent the
"gas guzzlers" remember. It's still there for no reason at all. And you
know what... It didn't save the car industry from bankruptcy or the oil
industry. Nor did it reduce air pollution or reduce the carbon footprint or
global warming. All it did was hurt the consumer and the Auto industry in
America which no longer felt the need to compete when the competition was
blocked. Tariffs only block competition and destroy the industry's need to
compete, innovate, or control waste. Trump will walk the golden Bridge.
As a point of fact I am opposed to all Gov deals on Trade. Gov always
attempts to weaponize any trade deal and they are ultimately only a form of
soft protectionism. Hong Kong has little regulation and no Tariffs. They are
the world's best traders for their size. Further the US has a treaty with
Hong Kong and may not implement Tariffs against Hong Kong. Trump stupid
Tariffs don't apply to Hong Kong.

【在 e******t 的大作中提到】
: 老美就是一群赵括
b********n
发帖数: 38600
7
Tariffs only block competition and destroy the industry's need to compete,
innovate, or control waste. Trump will walk the golden Bridge.
b********n
发帖数: 38600
8
Trump uses a terrible Delegation by the congress written in 1964 that gives
the president the power to levy Tariffs over NATIONAL SECURITY MATTERS. This
primarily was to try to stop foreign weapon's makers from selling to North
Vietnam. The trouble is Trump's endless abuse of power. He has Tariffs on
frozen Herring from China under National Security. But China doesn't export
any herring of any kind.
The Hong Kong Treatys specifies NO Tariffs and recognizes Hong as A Free
Zone.
If you read the Constitution literally, then Congress exclusively has the
Commerce Clause Control. The founding fathers never intended the Congress to
delegate away its powers to create these Super Execs. but both Liberal and
RINOs have done this over the years. But they fail to understand that it
becomes a hand on the tiller matters.
NAFTA2 is dead. Democrats want more punitive terms. Canada and Mexico
basically were in no hurry to sign because Trump Tariffs remained in place.
That essentially negates any Trade deal with Trump since he can defeat any
Trade Deal with his arbitrary and capricious tariffs.
The US economy is now taking a big hit. Trump failed to comprehend the
disaster of Smoot Hawley and so that is now being repeated.
China won't lose. In ten years China is the Biggest economy and in 20, twice
the size of the US economy. It is purely mathematical. Trump is only
causing China to accelerate by pushing Asia closer to China as well as
Russia and India. Its numbers.
When the other nations dedollarize and stop using the Dollar as a reserve
even partially, the US GDP will drop 30%. And at some point foreign nations
are going to stop buying Treasuries due to Trump's adversarial conduct.
Democrats are no better. In fact with Smoot Hawley they were in bed with the
Republicans. FDR by the way was opposed. But unlike the 1930, there are
over 3000 economist and 14 nobel laureates that oppose Trump's Tariffs and
they are joined by virtually all US multinationals and the Auto Industry.
The economy is cooling rapidly. Everyone is blaming that on interest rates
but businesses are not expanding in the US, they are still leaving for Asia.
Take small businesses like paint and body shops. Trump tariffs on phenols
made by American Companies in China, have caused automotive paints to nearly
double in cost. Shops are going out of business. What does Trump know about
small businesses, he spent his life stiffing the small contractors, and
reneging on contracts. He's a real low life.
b********n
发帖数: 38600
9
So, what do you want to do about it. Penalize China for fulfilling contracts
made with US corporations and supplying a demand, be it from Apple, or
Walmart etc..
or
Educate and train the US labor force, apply robotics, build factories and
infrastrucure, compete economically with foreign suppliers, develop export
markets for your products (other than arms).
It's not as simple as rape. A whore is in the business because of a pimp and
it's an easy buck. As long as other countries have to export to earn a
dollar, while the US can fabricate them at will, while maintaining some
value because of its status as a reserve currency, the fed led by the banks
and the rest of the corporate pimps can cash in, and they have been doing it
for years. It's they who are treating the US as a willing hooker.
Difficult to see it as rape. But the old whore is getting a bit long in the
tooth lately and the old tricks are not working.
b********n
发帖数: 38600
10
WTF are you talking about? YOu are a dense mfking trumptard. I have told you
a dozen times that Trade deficits are not ledger losses or real deficits.
But you are too fking stupid to grasp it.
When you buy a car from Japan you don't lose, you pay and get a car. HOw the
**** did you lose you *******? The deal is settled when you pay your cash
to the Japanese car maker. The exchange rate discount is what you and that *
****** dumbass Trump thinks is a ledger loss. Its a fking discount to you,
you god damn thick idiot! You get more for your money buying a Japanese Car
if the conversion rate favors you. IF not you pay more for less, as when a
Japanese man buys a Chevy. He gets a crappier exchange rate. But he wanted a
Chevy and paid his money to get one. How did he take advantage of you? God
you are dumb.
Also the reason you don't have but 6% of the GDP in manufacturing is because
of UNIONs killing one US business sector at a time. From Autos, to basic
materials and Textiles.
And as far as companies BEING FORCED TO STAY IN THE USA, that is insanity it
is also a violation of the Fifth Amendment. Businesses are property, not
your property, they are owned by shareholders and dedicated to making
profits. So they freely go where the markets are larger and more beneficial.
THEY ARE NOT EXTENSIONS of the the WELFARE OFFICE. They are not there to
give you a happy life. They are Businesses that must make profits to stay in
business.
Look at what the US offers...
How are you going to Reverse OSHA, EPA, IRS? How are you going to reverse
all the problems with the antagonistic US Workplace? Highest employee
absenteeism, highest disability claims, highest employee theft, low
productivity, genderism, psychosexualism, transgenderism. And into the most
litigious nation in the world. The most suits against employers, more
violence against employers. Unions that destroyed most US manufacturing have
now infiltrated your Gov on State and Federal levels. You are not going to
see any businesses return to this nightmare. The you have Taxation and
Obamacare. Nobody has come back and most are leaving including US Automakers
heading to Asia.
Unions killed off all your US manufacturers including the Gov bailed out
automakers. Now you have the same UNIONS in your GOV. Even FDR opposed this.
But you Trumptards always need to be victims in search of a scapegoat...
you just need to look around at the Toxic USA to know why they are going to
Asia. No unions in Asia.
LOL. But you better raise your farmer welfare at the same time. Trump
Tariffs will bring in 2 billion a year. That's it. And he has already spent
25 Billion in Farm Welfare on Soy and hogs. BTW the largest welfare check
went to smithfield farms... A CHINESE OWNED FIRM LOL. Oh the irony of Trump'
s endless stupidity.
Trumptards are pathetic crybaby Marxist.
b********n
发帖数: 38600
11
When the only tool at the Government’s disposal is a hammer, people shouldm
’t be shocked when everything starts looking like a nail.
b********n
发帖数: 38600
12
My two cents for what it's worth. America has blinded itself with "
exceptionalism" to the point it really believes its huge GDP is real and not
a fantasy of legal, tax, financial and regulatory costs. China's GDP is
mainly based on making concrete things and selling them to the world. I
have seen myself what positive benefits this to Africa and surmise much is
the same for all developing nations.
America should take its weapons, bombs and unbelievable derivatives markets
(1 quadrillion???), recalculate GDP, focus on health, education,
infrastructure and manufacturing and face the growing reality that the world
has learned what it needed to duplicate America's rise. Yankee ingenuity
is far from gone but is now buried deeply beneath a pile of crazed
regulatory and tax measures. And take Trump off Twitter.
m*****n
发帖数: 3575
13
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