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T****t
发帖数: 11162
1
说是浙江替代广东,造成中国分数
China is No. 1 on PISA — but here’s why its test scores are hard to
believe
An aerial view of Pudong's Lujiazui Financial District in Shanghai, China,
on Monday, 02 April 2018. (Bloomberg) (Qilai Shen/Bloomberg)
An aerial view of Pudong's Lujiazui Financial District in Shanghai, China,
on Monday, 02 April 2018. (Bloomberg) (Qilai Shen/Bloomberg)
By Valerie Strauss
December 4, 2019 at 4:02 PM EST
Mainland China was the big winner in the newly released scores on the
Program for International Student Assessment, which tests 15-year-old
students in dozens of countries in math, reading and science every three
years. With 600,000 students from 79 countries and school systems taking the
exam in 2018, four provinces in China — which for PISA constitutes
mainland China — were collectively ranked No. 1 in all three subjects.
But there is good reason to view the scores from mainland China with
skepticism, and that’s the subject of this post by Tom Loveless, an expert
on student achievement, testing, education policy and K-12 school reform.
A former sixth-grade teacher and Harvard policy professor, Loveless was a
senior fellow in governance studies and director of the Brown Center on
Education Policy at the Washington-based nonprofit Brookings Institution. He
wrote 16 volumes of “The Brown Center Report on American Education,” an
annual report analyzing important trends in education
v*******n
发帖数: 8995
2
麻痹 输不起啊

★ 发自iPhone App: ChinaWeb 1.1.5

【在 T****t 的大作中提到】
: 说是浙江替代广东,造成中国分数
: China is No. 1 on PISA — but here’s why its test scores are hard to
: believe
: An aerial view of Pudong's Lujiazui Financial District in Shanghai, China,
: on Monday, 02 April 2018. (Bloomberg) (Qilai Shen/Bloomberg)
: An aerial view of Pudong's Lujiazui Financial District in Shanghai, China,
: on Monday, 02 April 2018. (Bloomberg) (Qilai Shen/Bloomberg)
: By Valerie Strauss
: December 4, 2019 at 4:02 PM EST
: Mainland China was the big winner in the newly released scores on the

T****t
发帖数: 11162
3
Mainland China was the big winner in the newly released scores on the
Program for International Student Assessment, which tests 15-year-old
students in dozens of countries in math, reading and science every three
years. With 600,000 students from 79 countries and school systems taking the
exam in 2018, four provinces in China — which for PISA constitutes
mainland China — were collectively ranked No. 1 in all three subjects.
But there is good reason to view the scores from mainland China with
skepticism, and that’s the subject of this post by Tom Loveless, an expert
on student achievement, testing, education policy and K-12 school reform.
A former sixth-grade teacher and Harvard policy professor, Loveless was a
senior fellow in governance studies and director of the Brown Center on
Education Policy at the Washington-based nonprofit Brookings Institution. He
wrote 16 volumes of “The Brown Center Report on American Education,” an
annual report analyzing important trends in education.
This isn’t the first time Loveless has commented on PISA scores from China.
In 2013, I wrote a post questioning the No. 1 ranking of Shanghai in the
2012 PISA. In that test administration, U.S. students performed no better
than average among 65 countries and education systems (like usual).
When the 2012 scores were released in late 2013, the Organization for
Economic Cooperation and Development, which sponsors PISA, said the schools
that were used in the Shanghai sample represent the city’s 15-year-old
population. Loveless, then at the Brookings Institution, and some China
experts said that migrant children were routinely excluded from schools in
Shanghai, which is wealthier than the rest of China. The OECD has stood by
the results.
Incidentally, in the 2018 PISA results, Singapore was second in all three
subjects. U.S. students ranked eighth in reading, 11th in science and 30th
in math, with scores that have not significantly changed since PISA began a
few decades ago.
By Tom Loveless
The 2018 PISA results are out. Generally, countries scored within an
expected range given their past records. Except one. The scores are
astonishing for B-S-J-Z, an acronym for the four Chinese provinces that
participated: Beijing, Shanghai, Jiangsu and Zhejiang. Out of 77
international systems, B-S-J-Z scored No. 1 in all three subjects: reading,
math, and science.
The four Chinese provinces taking PISA changed from 2015 to 2018, with
Zhejiang taking the place of Guangdong. The 2018 group’s scores are
dramatically higher than those of the 2015 group (which appropriately is
called B-S-J-G). In fact, the differences are so large that they are bound
to raise eyebrows.
B-S-J-Z’s scores are 61 scale score points higher (494 versus 555) in
reading, 60 points higher (531 versus 591) in math, and a whopping 72 points
higher (518 versus 590) in science. How uncommon are differences like these
? To answer that question, I examined PISA data from 2006-2015.
For each three-year test interval, I computed the changes for each country
on the three PISA tests and converted them to absolute values. That produced
497 observations, with a mean of 9.5 points and standard deviation of 8.6.
So the typical change in a nation’s scores is about 10 points. The
differences between the 2015 and 2018 Chinese participants are at least six
times that amount. The differences are also at least seven times the
standard deviation of all interval changes. Highly unusual.
A reasonable hypothesis is that changing the provinces participating in PISA
, even if it was just one out of a group of four, influenced the test scores
. Indeed, when I originally composed a thread for Twitter on this topic, I
overlooked the change and treated the 2015-2018 score differences as if the
participating provinces were the same. I apologize for the error. My mistake
does underscore, however, the larger issue: that PISA scores from China
should be viewed skeptically.
Why was Guangdong, China’s most populous province, dropped from
participating and Zhejiang added? Is it only a coincidence that scores
soared after the change?
The past PISA scores of Chinese provinces have been called into question (by
me and others) because of the culling effect of hukou on the population of
15-year-olds — and for the OECD allowing China to approve which provinces
can be tested. In 2009, PISA tests were administered in 12 Chinese provinces
, including several rural areas, but only scores from Shanghai were released.
Three years later, the BBC reported, “The Chinese government has so far not
allowed the OECD to publish the actual data.” To this day, the data have
not been released.
The OECD responded to past criticism by attacking critics and conducting
data reviews behind closed doors. A cloud hangs over PISA scores from
Chinese provinces. I urge the OECD to release, as soon as possible, the
results of any quality checks of 2018 data that have been conducted, along
with scores, disaggregated by province, from both the 2015 and 2018
participants.
The credibility of international assessments rests on the transparency of
test procedures, including how participants are selected and the rules for
reporting test results. The OECD risks undermining the credibility of PISA
by not being open on its conduct of the assessment in China.
s********i
发帖数: 17328
4
很正常啊,不就是刷题么。
S**********p
发帖数: 331
5
哈哈哈,这个屁撒,中国肯定是集中训练过,打过兴奋剂,或者造假的
k**0
发帖数: 1
6
Brookings Institution
H*********S
发帖数: 22772
7
说小黄人聪明或有创造力,都是严重不符合既定人设,白人非常恼怒并且受到冒犯
S**********p
发帖数: 331
8
“黄人到了美洲,连轮子也没有发明,说明基因不行”
—白人殖民者潜意识


: 说小黄人聪明或有创造力,都是严重不符合既定人设,白人非常恼怒并且受到冒犯



【在 H*********S 的大作中提到】
: 说小黄人聪明或有创造力,都是严重不符合既定人设,白人非常恼怒并且受到冒犯
c****h
发帖数: 4968
9
这几个地方的人口超1.8亿,超任何欧洲国家,有美国一半了。而且这些地区虽然富裕
,但是人均收入不过1万多美元,也远远低于美国的人均3-4万美元。更说明问题的是4
地最经济地位最低的10%成绩也超OECD平均,甚至高于某些发达国家的top 10%。
这样给自己的教育失败开脱,对美国教育无益。美国这些年科技发展大多是依靠外来移
民的。
r******t
发帖数: 8967
10
以前只有老留的时候美国学生觉得国人各个有三头六臂,直到后来小留来了...

4

【在 c****h 的大作中提到】
: 这几个地方的人口超1.8亿,超任何欧洲国家,有美国一半了。而且这些地区虽然富裕
: ,但是人均收入不过1万多美元,也远远低于美国的人均3-4万美元。更说明问题的是4
: 地最经济地位最低的10%成绩也超OECD平均,甚至高于某些发达国家的top 10%。
: 这样给自己的教育失败开脱,对美国教育无益。美国这些年科技发展大多是依靠外来移
: 民的。

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n**d
发帖数: 9764
11
反正我知道当年的托福鸡阿姨没有可比性,大陆学生那是拿真题狂刷,还刷车了个上市
企业。

【在 T****t 的大作中提到】
: 说是浙江替代广东,造成中国分数
: China is No. 1 on PISA — but here’s why its test scores are hard to
: believe
: An aerial view of Pudong's Lujiazui Financial District in Shanghai, China,
: on Monday, 02 April 2018. (Bloomberg) (Qilai Shen/Bloomberg)
: An aerial view of Pudong's Lujiazui Financial District in Shanghai, China,
: on Monday, 02 April 2018. (Bloomberg) (Qilai Shen/Bloomberg)
: By Valerie Strauss
: December 4, 2019 at 4:02 PM EST
: Mainland China was the big winner in the newly released scores on the

c****h
发帖数: 4968
12
Mainland China is measured by taking an average of four provinces: Beijing,
Shanghai, Jiangsu, and Zhejiang. Some argue that “China” shouldn’t be
represented by just a few eastern regions, but the OECD says that each of
them is comparable in size to many Western countries, and have a combined
population of over 180 million. (Hong Kong, Macau, and Taiwan also appear
separately in the rankings.)
What’s more, in the four provinces of mainland China that participated in
the study, the 10% most disadvantaged students showed better reading skills
than the most advantaged students in some countries, and better performance
than the average student in OECD countries.
q******s
发帖数: 7469
13
反射狐真慢。这个问题我昨天就指出来了。虽然越人是粤人的祖先,王阳明还是混了汉
人基因的,比热屁挺这种猴子后代老将人种进化很多。
香港要是没有上海移民,现在就是胡志明市水平。
t******y
发帖数: 716
14
从为中国证明5000年历史的良渚遗址就能看出来,浙江人代表了最聪明的中国人。智商
在早期人类文明的发展过程中起了决定性作用。中国最早的大型城市在浙江。江浙一带
到今天依然是中国院士最多的地方。代表了中国的最优秀的人文素质。
l*w
发帖数: 3758
15
本来就不可信。特定学校,在刷题复习一下。
美国孩子参加这种考试都无所谓。国内是脸面,教育局头等大事。
这种事版上谁不清楚?还真把自己当外宾啊。

【在 T****t 的大作中提到】
: 说是浙江替代广东,造成中国分数
: China is No. 1 on PISA — but here’s why its test scores are hard to
: believe
: An aerial view of Pudong's Lujiazui Financial District in Shanghai, China,
: on Monday, 02 April 2018. (Bloomberg) (Qilai Shen/Bloomberg)
: An aerial view of Pudong's Lujiazui Financial District in Shanghai, China,
: on Monday, 02 April 2018. (Bloomberg) (Qilai Shen/Bloomberg)
: By Valerie Strauss
: December 4, 2019 at 4:02 PM EST
: Mainland China was the big winner in the newly released scores on the

d*****u
发帖数: 17243
16
2015年派广东参加的时候确实排名很低,reading才20名,平均第十名。
后来换成浙江就遥遥领先了。
q******s
发帖数: 7469
17
摆脱,浙和江差远了。浙江除了杭嘉湖,其他都是垃圾。


: 从为中国证明5000年历史的良渚遗址就能看出来,浙江人代表了最聪明的中国人
。智商

: 在早期人类文明的发展过程中起了决定性作用。中国最早的大型城市在浙江。江
浙一带

: 到今天依然是中国院士最多的地方。代表了中国的最优秀的人文素质。



【在 t******y 的大作中提到】
: 从为中国证明5000年历史的良渚遗址就能看出来,浙江人代表了最聪明的中国人。智商
: 在早期人类文明的发展过程中起了决定性作用。中国最早的大型城市在浙江。江浙一带
: 到今天依然是中国院士最多的地方。代表了中国的最优秀的人文素质。

h*********n
发帖数: 11319
18
美国思维惯性,下意识的以为越有钱的地方学生成绩越好
如果中国派出山东 河南 湖北队,美国输的更惨

【在 T****t 的大作中提到】
: 说是浙江替代广东,造成中国分数
: China is No. 1 on PISA — but here’s why its test scores are hard to
: believe
: An aerial view of Pudong's Lujiazui Financial District in Shanghai, China,
: on Monday, 02 April 2018. (Bloomberg) (Qilai Shen/Bloomberg)
: An aerial view of Pudong's Lujiazui Financial District in Shanghai, China,
: on Monday, 02 April 2018. (Bloomberg) (Qilai Shen/Bloomberg)
: By Valerie Strauss
: December 4, 2019 at 4:02 PM EST
: Mainland China was the big winner in the newly released scores on the

F*****d
发帖数: 2848
19
以黑魔国的民智,这东西没人关心
f**********w
发帖数: 132
20
美国也可以翻身的,以后以 merit-based 来考虑国家和地区移民,大量从中国、东亚
进口移民,关健是白红脖敢吗?
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b********n
发帖数: 38600
21
Asian students dominated in school is a know fact, and this is the reason
why top 4 PISA are all Asian countries. Even in the U.S, Asian's are
dominated in SAT scores compare to other ethnicity. Instead of questioning
why our students ranked eighth in reading, 11th in science, and 30th in
math, author chose to bashed on China's rank 1 status. China being rank 1
or not has nothing to do with us. Our priority is to question why we're so
far behind versus other countries like Estonia, Canada, Finland, Ireland etc
. We should focus on fixing our own problems. If everyone have the same
viewpoint as Author, I don't think we will ever get rank 1.
c****g
发帖数: 37081
22
据常理,必须是鳖雇人作弊造假的!
老将倭杂屁獭魍鹜咪咪泼熊腥胱
p******4
发帖数: 1
23
美国人很会自我安慰的, 美国专门研究pisa的机构做了一个统计, 麻省的pisa各项测
试平均分只低于新加坡,或者是第一名。
另外, 减价午餐低于10%的学校, performance比新加坡还遥遥领先。
就是不说这些人口只占美国学生很小很小很小的比例。

questioning
1
etc

【在 b********n 的大作中提到】
: Asian students dominated in school is a know fact, and this is the reason
: why top 4 PISA are all Asian countries. Even in the U.S, Asian's are
: dominated in SAT scores compare to other ethnicity. Instead of questioning
: why our students ranked eighth in reading, 11th in science, and 30th in
: math, author chose to bashed on China's rank 1 status. China being rank 1
: or not has nothing to do with us. Our priority is to question why we're so
: far behind versus other countries like Estonia, Canada, Finland, Ireland etc
: . We should focus on fixing our own problems. If everyone have the same
: viewpoint as Author, I don't think we will ever get rank 1.

o******t
发帖数: 1994
24
到了这种不能自省, 为自己的不行找各种借口甚至诋毁别人的地步, 离衰落不远了,
政客那种打鸡血似的谎言比较适合米国民众的心智:尼玛米国就是最棒的。
c*********9
发帖数: 229
25
这个太土了,你得先搞清楚OECD干嘛的,它就是要看经济发达的国家和
地区的数据,所以挑了几个数据和发达国家地区相仿的几个省。教育和
经济的相关性很大,所以要控制经济规模和发展。

【在 T****t 的大作中提到】
: 说是浙江替代广东,造成中国分数
: China is No. 1 on PISA — but here’s why its test scores are hard to
: believe
: An aerial view of Pudong's Lujiazui Financial District in Shanghai, China,
: on Monday, 02 April 2018. (Bloomberg) (Qilai Shen/Bloomberg)
: An aerial view of Pudong's Lujiazui Financial District in Shanghai, China,
: on Monday, 02 April 2018. (Bloomberg) (Qilai Shen/Bloomberg)
: By Valerie Strauss
: December 4, 2019 at 4:02 PM EST
: Mainland China was the big winner in the newly released scores on the

c*********9
发帖数: 229
26
你们太小看欧洲了,OECD要比的就是他们认为和他们差不多的
地区,控制经济的发展和规模,也就是说他们认为他们就是要
和浙江比,不象美帝,找差的比,还弄出个adversity score....

【在 t******y 的大作中提到】
: 从为中国证明5000年历史的良渚遗址就能看出来,浙江人代表了最聪明的中国人。智商
: 在早期人类文明的发展过程中起了决定性作用。中国最早的大型城市在浙江。江浙一带
: 到今天依然是中国院士最多的地方。代表了中国的最优秀的人文素质。

S***s
发帖数: 104
27
鸵鸟,美帝眼看着传统工程就要青黄不接了,还尼玛打嘴炮打得起劲

the
expert

【在 T****t 的大作中提到】
: Mainland China was the big winner in the newly released scores on the
: Program for International Student Assessment, which tests 15-year-old
: students in dozens of countries in math, reading and science every three
: years. With 600,000 students from 79 countries and school systems taking the
: exam in 2018, four provinces in China — which for PISA constitutes
: mainland China — were collectively ranked No. 1 in all three subjects.
: But there is good reason to view the scores from mainland China with
: skepticism, and that’s the subject of this post by Tom Loveless, an expert
: on student achievement, testing, education policy and K-12 school reform.
: A former sixth-grade teacher and Harvard policy professor, Loveless was a

S***s
发帖数: 104
28
即使不专门刷题,不说拿第一,进前五完爆美帝根本就不算个事儿

【在 s********i 的大作中提到】
: 很正常啊,不就是刷题么。
E******d
发帖数: 3514
29
中帝的下一代甩美帝十条街
d*****u
发帖数: 17243
30
美国中学就开始争夺交配权了。各种课余压力太大。
反智文化盛行,某些社区学习好的容易被歧视。
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r******t
发帖数: 8967
31
在天朝教育和经济的相关性真不是那么大。北上学生在山东河北人眼里不都是弱智吗?

【在 c*********9 的大作中提到】
: 这个太土了,你得先搞清楚OECD干嘛的,它就是要看经济发达的国家和
: 地区的数据,所以挑了几个数据和发达国家地区相仿的几个省。教育和
: 经济的相关性很大,所以要控制经济规模和发展。

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