a******g
发帖数: 13519 | 1 海狼核潜艇已经准备宣布报废处理了。原因是长期停产，没人没零件，无法维修。
我当时就说了，这玩意儿肯定只能走 total loss，应该赶紧打电话给GEICO，吼吼吼！
！！ |
w**7
发帖数: 5258 | 2 瞎说， 五角大楼刚给我下单3D打印一个， 我告诉他们不停电的话三天就好，现在运行中
【在 a******g 的大作中提到】
: 海狼核潜艇已经准备宣布报废处理了。原因是长期停产，没人没零件，无法维修。
: 我当时就说了，这玩意儿肯定只能走 total loss，应该赶紧打电话给GEICO，吼吼吼！
: ！！
|
W*****B
发帖数: 4796 | 3 保险公司应该能赔一大笔钱吧？不过这个也要好好看看免责条款。如果擅自去不该去的
危险地方，从事了不该从事的不法活动，可以不赔的
【在 a******g 的大作中提到】
: 海狼核潜艇已经准备宣布报废处理了。原因是长期停产，没人没零件，无法维修。
: 我当时就说了，这玩意儿肯定只能走 total loss，应该赶紧打电话给GEICO，吼吼吼！
: ！！
|
Y********g
发帖数: 1 | 4 3D树脂的，刚用两天，坏了。然后，潜艇沉底了，然后就没有然后了。
行中
【在 w**7 的大作中提到】
: 瞎说， 五角大楼刚给我下单3D打印一个， 我告诉他们不停电的话三天就好，现在运行中
|
Y********g
发帖数: 1 | 5 没有任何保险公司，保这种军方攻击型武器。
只能财政部掏钱了。
【在 W*****B 的大作中提到】
: 保险公司应该能赔一大笔钱吧？不过这个也要好好看看免责条款。如果擅自去不该去的
: 危险地方，从事了不该从事的不法活动，可以不赔的
|
A*******r
发帖数: 1 | |
j****z
发帖数: 299 | 7 预料之中，不过我以为至少修修，然后再报废，赚两次，没想到直接就报废 |
g****a
发帖数: 1304 | 8 鳖免费给从核动力升级到常规动力。
【在 A*******r 的大作中提到】
: 交给中帝修 又快又好
|
p****t
发帖数: 14 | 9 再造一艘，屁大点事。
【在 j****z 的大作中提到】
: 预料之中，不过我以为至少修修，然后再报废，赚两次，没想到直接就报废
|
w*******s
发帖数: 285 | |
c*****a
发帖数: 1 | |
m*******r
发帖数: 1 | 12 潜艇钣金修理特别难，修好了噪音也大了很多dB，
可惜了30亿美元的船，这个船用反应堆要想退役估计还得几亿美元才行，
造孽啊
【在 a******g 的大作中提到】
: 海狼核潜艇已经准备宣布报废处理了。原因是长期停产，没人没零件，无法维修。
: 我当时就说了，这玩意儿肯定只能走 total loss，应该赶紧打电话给GEICO，吼吼吼！
: ！！
|
e*******e
发帖数: 9616 | 13 why not USAA?
只能走 total loss，应该赶紧打电话给GEICO，吼吼吼！
【在 a******g 的大作中提到】
: 海狼核潜艇已经准备宣布报废处理了。原因是长期停产，没人没零件，无法维修。
: 我当时就说了，这玩意儿肯定只能走 total loss，应该赶紧打电话给GEICO，吼吼吼！
: ！！
|
s*x
发帖数: 8041 | 14 海狼最近一艘2004年建的，不会这会儿就没零件了吧 |
L**T
发帖数: 1 | |
m*******r
发帖数: 1 | 16 30亿一艘，
多备一套零件，加上仓库费，至少需要50亿，肯定没这个预算
【在 s*x 的大作中提到】
: 海狼最近一艘2004年建的，不会这会儿就没零件了吧
|
B******s
发帖数: 1 | 17 做这种潜艇钢的钢材厂停产了。。。
【在 s*x 的大作中提到】
: 海狼最近一艘2004年建的，不会这会儿就没零件了吧
|
e*******e
发帖数: 9616 | 18 我第走精英精品路线
因为估算泥工缝底裤最少缝到2030年
没想到2015年j20就试飞了，尼玛 |
s*x
发帖数: 8041 | 19 艹，这真是屋漏偏遭连夜雨，美帝去工业化显神威。
【在 B******s 的大作中提到】
: 做这种潜艇钢的钢材厂停产了。。。
|
W*****B
发帖数: 4796 | 20 没说肯定报废，但是可能性很大
Navy Faces Prospect That Crash Will Force USS Connecticut Out Of Service
Craig Hooper
Senior Contributor
Aerospace & Defense
I evaluate national security threats and propose solutions.
USS San Francisco Sits In Dry Dock
The Los Angeles-class U.S Navy submarine USS San [+]
GETTY IMAGES
Despite a virtual news blackout, information on America’s damaged Seawolf
Class attack submarine, USS Connecticut (SSN-22), is starting to leak out.
While details are scarce, the Pacific Fleet’s latest operational debacle
has left the U.S. without a key undersea combatant. At a minimum, the USS
Connecticut will be out of service for years, and there is a creeping
realization that the damage may be significant enough to force the USS
Connecticut into a premature retirement.
It is time for the Navy to start talking. Regardless of the outcome, the
fate of the USS Connecticut has enormous ramifications for virtually every
facet of America’s maritime industrial base. Given the extended news
blackout and the fact that the submarine hasn’t budged from Guam yet,
indications suggest the USS Connecticut is badly hurt.
This is no time to smother a potentially uncomfortable debate under an over-
classified blanket; the USS Connecticut’s mishap is a big deal and no
longer a cozy internal Navy matter.
With the Command Investigation nearing completion, the Navy’s continued
silence is doing more harm than good. China is gleefully hammering away at
America’s sullen silence. And every day spent keeping the USS Connecticut
under wraps is one less day for America to debate and prepare a viable path
forward. Geopolitics aside, the United States needs to know just how the USS
Connecticut’s accident is likely to stress America’s undersea industrial
base. And if this mishap is a self-inflicted wound, stemming from
longstanding but long-unfixed problems within the Navy, then real changes
must be made.
There is no more time for the Navy to indulge in a long, leisurely study
into root causes before deciding on the way ahead. Somebody, somewhere in
the Navy Department needs to take what data is available today and use it to
lead. Decisions on the stricken sub need to be made quickly,
dispassionately, and with a rigor that an emotional Navy will be loathe to
deliver.
This crisis is now the defining challenge for Carlos Del Toro, the new Navy
Secretary. America can only hope he is stern enough for the task ahead.
It Doesn’t Sound Good
While the “silent service” is living up to its name, information on the
submarine’s condition is gradually leaking out. Over at the U.S. Naval
Institute (USNI), the indefatigable Sam LaGrone is hearing whispers of
damage. Two defense officials told USNI that the impact “damaged the
submarine’s forward ballast tanks.” Others told USNI News that the
submarine had hit and grounded upon an uncharted seamount in the South China
Sea.
The last time the Navy publicly reported a submarine had damaged their
forward ballast tanks was in 2005, when the USS San Francisco (SSN-711)
suffered a catastrophic collision with a seamount. While nobody is saying
that the USS Connecticut suffered as extensive damage in the current
incident, the USS Connecticut likely won’t be returning to service anytime
soon.
Submarine repairs take a lot of time. The USS San Francisco was stuck at
Guam for seven months and needed four years of work before returning to
service.
To get the USS San Francisco’s back in a timely fashion, the Navy resorted
to cannibalism, taking a bow from the retiring USS Honolulu (SSN-718)—a
similarly-aged sub that, due to budget cuts, was being prematurely retired.
The “nose job” was complex enough, requiring 285,000 worker days to
complete, but the task of appropriating the old bow and aligning and mating
internal systems was a whole lot easier than repairing and restoring damaged
external hull structures from scratch.
Working from scratch is what the Navy will likely need to do if it wants to
repair the USS Connecticut. As the Navy has little in the way of spare
Seawolf Class parts sitting around—and no older boats to cannibalize—
rehabilitating and re-certifying the USS Connecticut may be a far more time-
consuming and expensive engineering challenge than either the U.S. Navy or U
.S. taxpayers expect.
In these situations, the Navy’s instinctual bias is almost always slanted
towards saving the damaged craft—regardless of whether it makes fiscal or
operational sense. In the USS San Francisco’s case, the Navy had two
obvious options—either repair the newly-refueled USS San Francisco or
retire the USS San Francisco and refuel a similarly—aged submarine, USS
Honolulu. To support the decision the Navy estimated that the repairs would
cost $79 million, about half the $170 million needed to refuel the Honolulu.
But the Navy’s initial repair estimate was inaccurate, and the fix became
a relative “wash,” with the final bill for the USS San Francisco clocking
in at $134 million—barely a 20% difference.
Neither option is available today—the choice is either to retire the sub or
try to fix it. But again, the bias will be towards saving the sub. For the
Navy, the political cost of losing the USS Connecticut will be enormous, and
, frankly, Congress may expect naval leadership—from the Chief of Naval
Operations on down—to pay for it with their careers. But with few spares
and no prior hulls to cannibalize, repairing the USS Connecticut risks
becoming a complex, sprawling affair that the Navy simply cannot afford to
endure. There are no good options.
Is the Juice Worth The Squeeze?
Depending upon the damage, retiring the USS Connecticut early and turning it
into a “parts barn” for the USS Seawolf (SSN-21) and USS Jimmy Carter (
SSN-23) may well be the only sensible path.
The USS Connecticut is a unique “Cold War” fighter, endowed with enviable
capabilities, but it is—to put it bluntly—also a middle-aged
representative of a boutique and hard-to-maintain three-submarine class.
Presently 23 years old, and with an expected service life of about 40 years,
a pricey, four to five-year availability may not be worth the total cost—
not just in repair dollars necessary for the USS Connecticut itself, but in
the toll deferred maintenance on other platforms will inflict upon the rest
of the Navy.
Time is the enemy here. Submarines have a finite lifespan. In the case of
the USS San Francisco, the years spent inactive in the repair yard didn’t
translate into extra service life. The USS San Francisco ultimately retired
after 40 years while the submarine’s undamaged but similarly-aged peers
left the service at 38 years.
The same will be true with the USS Connecticut. Even if repaired, the USS
Connecticut may emerge with numerous operational restrictions and only
enough formal service life to offer America a mere handful of patrols. The
long refit may leave the sub’s reactor with an enormous amount of energy
left to offer, but, to leverage that power, the USS Connecticut’s hull and
associated structures would need very thorough—and expensive—analyses to
keep the boat safe and certified for operations. Once operational, added
maintenance and safety checks would eat away the boat’s remaining time
forward.
Again, the unique nature of the Seawolf Class—a thicker hull built with
harder steel—is a problem. The Navy’s 62 Los Angeles Class attack
submarines offered numerous opportunities to harvest condition-related data
collection and conduct hull performance studies. But the three Seawolf boats
(and a few Los Angeles Class subs that trialed the high-strength steel)
just cannot generate the necessary data in an efficient fashion.
It is unfortunate that the USS Connecticut suffered the maritime equivalent
of a controlled flight into terrain after being, in effect, conserved for
just the type of challenge China presents. But the faster the Navy and
Congress realize that the USS Connecticut, if repaired, will never be a true
Seawolf again, the faster America can move forward—either by buying more
subs, accelerating the development of a new attack submarine design or by
repairing the USS Connecticut and shunting it into a less demanding support
role, serving as, say, a battery pack and test platform for undersea systems
.
The Navy Is At Crush Depth
Deciding the fate of the USS San Francisco was hard enough. But this time,
with the USS Connecticut, the trade-offs will be far tougher to map out. The
strategic challenge with China, coupled with the Navy’s fiscal,
operational, and maintenance crises at home make the path forward far more
challenging.
But this is where Del Toro can make a difference. It is the Secretary of the
Navy’s job to hold the institution’s feet to the fire, and Congress has
empowered Del Toro to make hard decisions on accountability and on the way
forward. Hopefully he is up to the task.
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【在 w*******s 的大作中提到】
: 你有英文报道链接吗？没有就是假新闻。
|
W***u
发帖数: 1 | 21 还有可能牛逼的钳工焊工得新冠嗝屁了，关键步骤没有备份
参考美军招标逆向工程B2零件
【在 s*x 的大作中提到】
: 海狼最近一艘2004年建的，不会这会儿就没零件了吧
|
e*******e
发帖数: 9616 | 22 这些蓝翔技校工人都转码去了，在我第。。。
尼玛
现在能干焊接的都是三哥马工ppt |
a******g
发帖数: 13519 | 23 当年造海狼的工人，即使没嗝屁，现在也在养老院里下象棋了。
【在 W***u 的大作中提到】
: 还有可能牛逼的钳工焊工得新冠嗝屁了，关键步骤没有备份
: 参考美军招标逆向工程B2零件
|
a******g
发帖数: 13519 | 24 可以让法拉盛修车王师傅试试。据说手艺好，价格也公道，就是活慢些，吼吼吼！！！
【在 m*******r 的大作中提到】
: 潜艇钣金修理特别难，修好了噪音也大了很多dB，
: 可惜了30亿美元的船，这个船用反应堆要想退役估计还得几亿美元才行，
: 造孽啊
|
p**********e
发帖数: 130 | |
P****i
发帖数: 12972 | 26 统共就三艘吧？
【在 a******g 的大作中提到】
: 海狼核潜艇已经准备宣布报废处理了。原因是长期停产，没人没零件，无法维修。
: 我当时就说了，这玩意儿肯定只能走 total loss，应该赶紧打电话给GEICO，吼吼吼！
: ！！
|
N**********n
发帖数: 1 | 27 真和土鳖打起来损失就没法补了
【在 a******g 的大作中提到】
: 海狼核潜艇已经准备宣布报废处理了。原因是长期停产，没人没零件，无法维修。
: 我当时就说了，这玩意儿肯定只能走 total loss，应该赶紧打电话给GEICO，吼吼吼！
: ！！
|
a*****s
发帖数: 1 | 28 2004年肯定以为老子天下第一，这玩意一辈子也不会真用......
【在 s*x 的大作中提到】
: 海狼最近一艘2004年建的，不会这会儿就没零件了吧
|
S***C
发帖数: 1 | 29 正常流程不是应该在船坞里修个三年再失火报废吗？这样直接报废降低了很多GDP吧？ |
r***y
发帖数: 4379 | 30 可以挂eBay 上卖了
标注 for parts
童叟无欺
吼吼吼
吼！
【在 m*******r 的大作中提到】
: 潜艇钣金修理特别难，修好了噪音也大了很多dB，
: 可惜了30亿美元的船，这个船用反应堆要想退役估计还得几亿美元才行，
: 造孽啊
|
s*x
发帖数: 8041 | 31 好人查理不知道最后卖了多少钱
【在 r***y 的大作中提到】
: 可以挂eBay 上卖了
: 标注 for parts
: 童叟无欺
: 吼吼吼
:
: 吼！
|
s*****1
发帖数: 1 | 32 烤人理查德当废铁卖了吧
【在 s*x 的大作中提到】
: 好人查理不知道最后卖了多少钱
|
l******t
发帖数: 55733 | 33 不要多想，和内个烧毁的半航母一样，评估半天最后还是total
over-
path
USS
industrial
to
Navy
China
anytime
resorted
.
mating
damaged
to
time-
U
would
Honolulu.
became
clocking
or
the
and
it
enviable
years,
in
rest
retired
and
data
boats
equivalent
true
support
systems
The
the
Brigade
【在 W*****B 的大作中提到】
: 没说肯定报废，但是可能性很大
: Navy Faces Prospect That Crash Will Force USS Connecticut Out Of Service
: Craig Hooper
: Senior Contributor
: Aerospace & Defense
: I evaluate national security threats and propose solutions.
: USS San Francisco Sits In Dry Dock
: The Los Angeles-class U.S Navy submarine USS San [+]
: GETTY IMAGES
: Despite a virtual news blackout, information on America’s damaged Seawolf
|
l******t
发帖数: 55733 | 34 叔早说了美国就这点存量唬人。被鳖一波流带走一半就再也补不起来了
吼！
【在 N**********n 的大作中提到】
: 真和土鳖打起来损失就没法补了
|
S********1
发帖数: 7 | 35 我非常好奇，要是鳖愿意出钱买，帝会开价多少
【在 r***y 的大作中提到】
: 可以挂eBay 上卖了
: 标注 for parts
: 童叟无欺
: 吼吼吼
:
: 吼！
|
a*****s
发帖数: 1 | 36 和ebay上很多货一样，no shipping to china。
【在 S********1 的大作中提到】
: 我非常好奇，要是鳖愿意出钱买，帝会开价多少
|
S********1
发帖数: 7 | 37 买家负责运输，申请exportation license
【在 a*****s 的大作中提到】
: 和ebay上很多货一样，no shipping to china。
|
T****t
发帖数: 11162 | 38 没及时报保险，估计不包了。
我早说了，这玩意不修还能勉强开，一修就彻底抱窝了 |
o*******t
发帖数: 1 | 39 用油脂包包好，放 junk yard 里
还有两艘海狼，万一下次坏了可以从康涅狄格号上找到零件，能省不少钱呢 |
p**********e
发帖数: 130 | 40 本来海狼首舰就是给另外2艘当零件的
这下运气好能平装出个补丁海狼
otherwise只有1艘能用
【在 o*******t 的大作中提到】
: 用油脂包包好，放 junk yard 里
: 还有两艘海狼，万一下次坏了可以从康涅狄格号上找到零件，能省不少钱呢
|
k**0
发帖数: 19737 | |
t*****9
发帖数: 10416 | 42 土共下面要大规模改造南海地貌，增加海底丘陵景观了哈 ~~
吹沙造岛的船 停着也可以找件事儿做 |
a******g
发帖数: 13519 | 43 哪那么容易。每艘海狼都不一样，很多零件都是独一无二的。而且这艘海狼据说有核泄
露了，零件辐射值肯定超标了，不是洗洗就能用的。只能深埋处理，拆都不会有人来拆。
【在 o*******t 的大作中提到】
: 用油脂包包好，放 junk yard 里
: 还有两艘海狼，万一下次坏了可以从康涅狄格号上找到零件，能省不少钱呢
|
c******o
发帖数: 1277 | 44 靠，只有三个的珍宝。 基本是世界潜艇最强的一种。冷战最后高潮时候出的大洋杀手
锏。美国超级航母一半的价格（1998年24亿美元）。 |
Y********g
发帖数: 1 | 45 靠，这艘潜艇造价百亿美元。30亿是反应堆的钱。
【在 m*******r 的大作中提到】
: 30亿一艘，
: 多备一套零件，加上仓库费，至少需要50亿，肯定没这个预算
|
f******t
发帖数: 19544 | 46 这个结局可想而知。
【在 a******g 的大作中提到】
: 海狼核潜艇已经准备宣布报废处理了。原因是长期停产，没人没零件，无法维修。
: 我当时就说了，这玩意儿肯定只能走 total loss，应该赶紧打电话给GEICO，吼吼吼！
: ！！
|
b*****2
发帖数: 11103 | |
e*******e
发帖数: 9616 | 48 尼玛万一核堆里装里定时损毁装置，过几个月核堆破壳就惨了
报废的有核武器是绝对不应该买的，烙印袋鼠除外
【在 S********1 的大作中提到】
: 我非常好奇，要是鳖愿意出钱买，帝会开价多少
|
a******d
发帖数: 955 | |
y****g
发帖数: 36950 | |
