Military版 - 俄新社雄文导读: 乌克兰建国的行为就是纳粹化, 去纳粹化就是摧毁乌克兰 |
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l*w
发帖数: 3758 | 1 中文译稿在知乎上:
http://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/493316358
可能有人不想看, 就提供下导读, 太有意思了这篇文章.
怎么去纳粹化不说了,枪毙+劳改吗.
其他大意就是，和波兰，波三小不同，乌克兰原本就不是个国家，乌克兰建国的行为就
是纳粹化，是作为反俄工具而存在.
"与格鲁吉亚和波罗的海国家等不同，乌克兰，正如历史所表明的那样，不可能成为一
个民族国家，而试图“建设”一个民族国家自然会导致纳粹主义。"
乌克兰的新纳粹主义具有欺骗性，它所追求的国家独立和亲美亲西方的诉求就是纳粹化
，虽然它本身没有纳粹政党，也没有元首和种族主义法案，所以说它掩盖得很好.
总之，反俄=纳粹. 为这个纳粹政权提供服务的都是纳粹.
"因此乌克兰的去纳粹化也是其不可避免的去欧洲化。"
所以去纳粹化的意思就是摧毁乌克兰. | l*w
发帖数: 3758 | 2 乌克兰存在就是纳粹.
去纳粹化就是让乌克兰灭国. 这块新土地上,乌克兰名字不能再叫.
【在 l*w 的大作中提到】
: 中文译稿在知乎上:
: http://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/493316358
: 可能有人不想看, 就提供下导读, 太有意思了这篇文章.
: 怎么去纳粹化不说了,枪毙+劳改吗.
: 其他大意就是，和波兰，波三小不同，乌克兰原本就不是个国家，乌克兰建国的行为就
: 是纳粹化，是作为反俄工具而存在.
: "与格鲁吉亚和波罗的海国家等不同，乌克兰，正如历史所表明的那样，不可能成为一
: 个民族国家，而试图“建设”一个民族国家自然会导致纳粹主义。"
: 乌克兰的新纳粹主义具有欺骗性，它所追求的国家独立和亲美亲西方的诉求就是纳粹化
: ，虽然它本身没有纳粹政党，也没有元首和种族主义法案，所以说它掩盖得很好.
| O**********g
发帖数: 3962 | 3 这是高级黑吧
【在 l*w 的大作中提到】
: 中文译稿在知乎上:
: http://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/493316358
: 可能有人不想看, 就提供下导读, 太有意思了这篇文章.
: 怎么去纳粹化不说了,枪毙+劳改吗.
: 其他大意就是，和波兰，波三小不同，乌克兰原本就不是个国家，乌克兰建国的行为就
: 是纳粹化，是作为反俄工具而存在.
: "与格鲁吉亚和波罗的海国家等不同，乌克兰，正如历史所表明的那样，不可能成为一
: 个民族国家，而试图“建设”一个民族国家自然会导致纳粹主义。"
: 乌克兰的新纳粹主义具有欺骗性，它所追求的国家独立和亲美亲西方的诉求就是纳粹化
: ，虽然它本身没有纳粹政党，也没有元首和种族主义法案，所以说它掩盖得很好.
| z*****n
发帖数: 36 | 4 你要是站在俄罗斯立场上看，他确实就是更大号的纳粹。他还不如说这是苏联内战更加
合理点
【在 O**********g 的大作中提到】
: 这是高级黑吧
| S**C
发帖数: 2964 | 5 普的奋斗
【在 l*w 的大作中提到】
: 中文译稿在知乎上:
: http://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/493316358
: 可能有人不想看, 就提供下导读, 太有意思了这篇文章.
: 怎么去纳粹化不说了,枪毙+劳改吗.
: 其他大意就是，和波兰，波三小不同，乌克兰原本就不是个国家，乌克兰建国的行为就
: 是纳粹化，是作为反俄工具而存在.
: "与格鲁吉亚和波罗的海国家等不同，乌克兰，正如历史所表明的那样，不可能成为一
: 个民族国家，而试图“建设”一个民族国家自然会导致纳粹主义。"
: 乌克兰的新纳粹主义具有欺骗性，它所追求的国家独立和亲美亲西方的诉求就是纳粹化
: ，虽然它本身没有纳粹政党，也没有元首和种族主义法案，所以说它掩盖得很好.
| d********f
发帖数: 43471 | 6 你如果知道当年分家得时候是怎么xjb整得，鹅毛这个说法的确没错。整个乌东本来都
是勃列日尼夫这sb硬从俄罗斯搬过去得。乌克兰本来二战前后没有任何工业，是一个完
全的农业国
【在 l*w 的大作中提到】
: 中文译稿在知乎上:
: http://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/493316358
: 可能有人不想看, 就提供下导读, 太有意思了这篇文章.
: 怎么去纳粹化不说了,枪毙+劳改吗.
: 其他大意就是，和波兰，波三小不同，乌克兰原本就不是个国家，乌克兰建国的行为就
: 是纳粹化，是作为反俄工具而存在.
: "与格鲁吉亚和波罗的海国家等不同，乌克兰，正如历史所表明的那样，不可能成为一
: 个民族国家，而试图“建设”一个民族国家自然会导致纳粹主义。"
: 乌克兰的新纳粹主义具有欺骗性，它所追求的国家独立和亲美亲西方的诉求就是纳粹化
: ，虽然它本身没有纳粹政党，也没有元首和种族主义法案，所以说它掩盖得很好.
| P****R
发帖数: 22479 | 7
【在 S**C 的大作中提到】
: 普的奋斗
| G****1
发帖数: 8414 | | l*w
发帖数: 3758 | 9 这和勃列日涅夫有啥关系？
乌克兰还觉得整个顿河下游都是他地盘呐。哥萨克自古以来。
【在 d********f 的大作中提到】
: 你如果知道当年分家得时候是怎么xjb整得，鹅毛这个说法的确没错。整个乌东本来都
: 是勃列日尼夫这sb硬从俄罗斯搬过去得。乌克兰本来二战前后没有任何工业，是一个完
: 全的农业国
| b**e
发帖数: 3199 | 10 就是普京开战前的第二次讲话的详细版本
乌克兰主权否定论
可惜俄罗斯的将军们没有能力执行这个计划了 | G****h
发帖数: 23 | 11 那1994年的布达佩斯宣言就是纯粹历史文件了？乌克兰以放弃核武，换取了俄罗斯对其
提供安全保障和尊重现有边界的承诺。当然，之后俄罗斯监守自盗，吞并克里米亚，已
经违背了它当初的承诺，现在入侵乌克兰，更是得寸进尺。
【在 d********f 的大作中提到】
: 你如果知道当年分家得时候是怎么xjb整得，鹅毛这个说法的确没错。整个乌东本来都
: 是勃列日尼夫这sb硬从俄罗斯搬过去得。乌克兰本来二战前后没有任何工业，是一个完
: 全的农业国
| f**********w
发帖数: 132 | 12 什么是纳粹？国家社会主义。
对内，经济命脉由国家统冶者选择的人主宰和操作，自由经济不占国家的主导成分，尤
其是以军事工业为主；对外，主张侵略别国；文化上，主张自已种族或民族优先，压制
或消灭其它种族或民族，压制国内不同意见。
对比俄罗斯和乌克兰，谁更象纳粹？ | l*w
发帖数: 3758 | 13 基本上粉红都可以算上。
纳粹就是国社，国就是民族主义，社吗，就是国家占有一切。
【在 f**********w 的大作中提到】
: 什么是纳粹？国家社会主义。
: 对内，经济命脉由国家统冶者选择的人主宰和操作，自由经济不占国家的主导成分，尤
: 其是以军事工业为主；对外，主张侵略别国；文化上，主张自已种族或民族优先，压制
: 或消灭其它种族或民族，压制国内不同意见。
: 对比俄罗斯和乌克兰，谁更象纳粹？
| d********f
发帖数: 43471 | 14 勃列日涅夫你都不知道还谈乌克兰问题？lol
【在 l*w 的大作中提到】
: 这和勃列日涅夫有啥关系？
: 乌克兰还觉得整个顿河下游都是他地盘呐。哥萨克自古以来。
| k***n
发帖数: 1557 | | v*******e
发帖数: 11604 | | k***n
发帖数: 1557 | 17 two wrongs don't make a right
以前再怎么xjb整得，也不是朴廷现在xjb整的理由
【在 d********f 的大作中提到】
: 你如果知道当年分家得时候是怎么xjb整得，鹅毛这个说法的确没错。整个乌东本来都
: 是勃列日尼夫这sb硬从俄罗斯搬过去得。乌克兰本来二战前后没有任何工业，是一个完
: 全的农业国
| l*w
发帖数: 3758 | 18 呦，你知道。
勃列日涅夫怎么把东乌划给乌克兰的，讲讲呗
【在 d********f 的大作中提到】
: 勃列日涅夫你都不知道还谈乌克兰问题？lol
| l*w
发帖数: 3758 | 19 听他胡说八道。乌克兰上次版图变更是赫鲁晓夫把克里米亚划到乌克兰。
勃列日涅夫除了经营第聂伯帮没干什么。
【在 k***n 的大作中提到】
: two wrongs don't make a right
: 以前再怎么xjb整得，也不是朴廷现在xjb整的理由
| l*******s
发帖数: 83 | 20 其实你对比一下现在乌克兰和曾经第一个短命的乌克兰民族主义国家烏克蘭人民共和國，
对比一下他们的国旗和国徽就知道他的来源了，而创建这个国家的人，
最后却在巴黎被一个乌克兰犹太人以屠杀犹太人的罪名给杀了。
而后来的乌克兰极右翼极端民族主义组织者，仍就沿用这些标志，
其中的激进派班德拉后来改用红黑为底色的标志。
所以乌克兰从苏联独立出来后，支撑这个国家团结在一起的凝聚力，
基本上就是来源于当年的极端民族主义建国的思想，
而那些曾经的民族主义者就自然的成了他们的英雄，
宽容甚至崇拜纳粹就自然而然了。 | w********9
发帖数: 8613 | 21
乱翻译
乱解释
乱传+乱解释后
一遍烂“观点”文章就变成/解释了侮辱智商>101人的超烂文
而菌斑能看懂英文的人的智商几乎应该都在110以上
“乌克兰建国的行为就是纳粹化“是乱解释得最恶心的一句
google翻译都弄不出那个意思
树立个稻草人
然后展开讨论。。。
菌斑流行的一种风格
https://web.archive.org/web/20220403123204/https://ria.ru/20220403/ukraina-
1781469605.html
The Nazis who took up arms should be destroyed to the maximum on the
battlefield. No significant distinction should be made between APUand the so
-called national battalions, as well as the territorial defense that joined
these two types of military formations. All of them are equally involved in
extreme cruelty against the civilian population, equally guilty of the
genocide of the Russian people, do not comply with the laws and customs of
war. War criminals and active Nazis should be exemplarily and exponentially
punished. There must be a total lustration. Any organizations that have
associated themselves with the practice of Nazism have been liquidated and
banned. However, in addition to the top, a significant part of the masses,
which are passive Nazis, accomplices of Nazism, are also guilty. They
supported and indulged Nazi power. The just punishment of this part of the
population is possible only as bearing the inevitable hardships of a just
war against the Nazi system, carried out with the utmost care and discretion
in relation to civilians. Further denazification of this mass of the
population consists in re-education, which is achieved by ideological
repression (suppression) of Nazi attitudes and strict censorship: not only
in the political sphere, but also necessarily in the sphere of culture and
education. It was through culture and education that a deep mass
nazification of the population was prepared and carried out, secured by the
promise of dividends from the victory of the Nazi regime overRussia , Nazi
propaganda, internal violence and terror, as well as an eight-year war with
the people of Donbass who rebelled against Ukrainian Nazism .
Nationalist marches in Ukraine - RIA Novosti, 1920, 04/01/2022
April 1, 08:00
"There are no Nazis in Ukraine": Russia and the West know and remember
different things about Nazism
Denazification can only be carried out by the winner, which implies (1) his
absolute control over the denazification process and (2) the power to ensure
such control. In this respect, a denazified country cannot be sovereign.
The denazifying state - Russia - cannot proceed from a liberal approach with
regard to denazification. The ideology of the denazifier cannot be disputed
by the guilty party subjected to denazification. Russia's recognition of
the need to denazify Ukraine means the recognition of the impossibility of
the Crimean scenario for Ukraine as a whole. However, this scenario was
impossible in 2014 and in the rebellious Donbass. Only eight years of
resistance to Nazi violence and terror led to internal cohesion and a
conscious unambiguous mass refusal to maintain any unity and connection with
Ukraine,
The terms of denazification can in no way be less than one generation, which
must be born, grow up and reach maturity under the conditions of
denazification. The nazification of Ukraine continued for more than 30 years
, beginning at least in 1989, when Ukrainian nationalism received legal and
legitimate forms of political expression and led the movement for "
independence" towards Nazism.
Russian Armed Forces soldier at a checkpoint - RIA Novosti, 1920, 03/25/2022
March 25, 08:00
Russia entered the fight with the West for the future of the world
The peculiarity of modern nazified Ukraine is in amorphousness and
ambivalence, which make it possible to disguise Nazism as a desire for "
independence" and a "European" (Western, pro-American) path of "development"
(in reality - to degradation), to assert that in Ukraine "there is no
Nazism , only private individual excesses". After all, there is no main Nazi
party, no Fuhrer, no full-fledged racial laws (only their truncated version
in the form of repressions against the Russian language). As a result,
there is no opposition and resistance to the regime.
However, all of the above does not make Ukrainian Nazism a "light version"
of German Nazism during the first half of the 20th century. On the contrary,
since Ukrainian Nazism is free from such "genre" (essentially political
technology) frameworks and restrictions, it freely unfolds as the
fundamental basis of any Nazism - as European and, in its most developed
form, American racism. Therefore, denazification cannot be carried out in a
compromise, on the basis of a formula like " NATO - no, EU - yes." The
collective West itself is the designer, source and sponsor of Ukrainian
Nazism, while the Western Bandera cadres and their "historical memory" are
only one of the tools for the Naziification of Ukraine. Ukronazism carries
not less, but a greater threat to the world and Russia,
Bus with Ukrainian prisoners of war on the outskirts of Mariupol - RIA
Novosti, 1920, 03/23/2022
March 23, 08:00
Captured Ukrainian Nazis have a lot to say
The name "Ukraine" apparently cannot be retained as the title of any fully
denazified state entity in a territory liberated from the Nazi regime. The
people's republics newly created in the space free from Nazism should and
will grow from the practice of economic self-government and social security,
restoration and modernization of the life support systems of the population.
In fact, their political aspirations cannot be neutral - expiation of guilt
before Russia for treating it as an enemy can be realized only by relying on
Russia in the processes of restoration, revival and development. No "
Marshall Plans" should be allowed for these territories. There can be no "
neutrality" in the ideological and practical sense, compatible with
denazification. The cadres and organizations that are the instrument of
denazification in the newly denazified republics cannot but rely on Russia's
direct military and organizational support.
Denazification will inevitably also be a de-Ukrainization - a rejection of
the large-scale artificial inflation of the ethnic component of self-
identification of the population of the territories of historical Little
Russia and New Russia, begun by the Soviet authorities. Being an instrument
of the communist superpower, after its fall, artificial ethnocentrism did
not remain ownerless. In this official capacity, he passed under the
authority of another superpower (the power standing over the states) — the
superpower of the West. It must be returned to its natural boundaries and
deprived of political functionality.
Visitors to the China International Exhibition pass by a globe depicting
China's trade turnover zone - RIA Novosti, 1920, 04/01/2022
April 1, 08:00
Ukraine has become a cover operation to reshape the world
Unlike, say, Georgia and the Baltic countries , Ukraine, as history has
shown, is impossible as a nation state, and attempts to "build" one
naturally lead to Nazism. Ukrainism is an artificial anti-Russian
construction that does not have its own civilizational content, a
subordinate element of an alien and alien civilization. Debanderization by
itself will not be enough for denazification - the Bandera element is only a
performer and a screen, a disguise for the European project of Nazi Ukraine
, therefore the denazification of Ukraine is also its inevitable de-
Europeanization.
The Bandera elite must be eliminated, its re-education is impossible. The
social "bog", which actively and passively supported it by action and
inaction, must survive the hardships of the war and assimilate the
experience as a historical lesson and atonement for its guilt. Those who did
not support the Nazi regime, suffered from it and the war unleashed by him
in the Donbass, must be consolidated and organized, must become the pillar
of the new government, its vertical and horizontal. Historical experience
shows that the tragedies and dramas of wartime benefit peoples who have been
tempted and carried away by the role of an enemy of Russia.
Denazification as the goal of a special military operation within the
framework of this operation itself is understood as a military victory over
the Kiev regime, the liberation of territories from armed supporters of the
Nazis, the elimination of implacable Nazis, the capture of war criminals,
and the creation of systemic conditions for the subsequent denazification in
peacetime.
Equipment abandoned by the military of Ukraine in the Kherson region - RIA
Novosti, 1920, 03/27/2022
March 27, 08:00
The West is ready to fight to the last Ukrainian even after the defeat of
Kyiv
The latter, in turn, should begin with the organization of local self-
government, police and defense bodies, cleansed of Nazi elements, launching
on their basis the founding processes of founding a new republican statehood
, integrating this statehood into close cooperation with the Russian
department for the denazification of Ukraine (newly created or converted,
say, from Rossotrudnichestvo), with the adoption under Russian control of
the republican regulatory framework (legislation) on denazification, the
definition of the boundaries and framework for the direct application of
Russian law and Russian jurisdiction in the liberated territory in the field
of denazification, the creation of a tribunal for crimes against humanity
in the former Ukraine. In this regard, Russia should act as the guardian of
the Nuremberg Trials.
All of the above means that in order to achieve the goals of denazification,
the support of the population is necessary, its transition to the side of
Russia after liberation from terror, violence and ideological pressure of
the Kiev regime, after the withdrawal from informational isolation. Of
course, it will take some time for people to recover from the shock of
hostilities, to be convinced of Russia's long-term intentions - that "they
will not be abandoned." It is impossible to foresee in advance exactly in
which territories such a mass of the population will constitute a critically
needed majority. The "Catholic province" (Western Ukraine as part of five
regions) is unlikely to become part of the pro-Russian territories. The line
of alienation, however, will be found empirically. Behind it will remain
hostile to Russia, but forcibly neutral and demilitarized Ukraine with
formally banned Nazism. The haters of Russia will go there. The guarantee of
the preservation of this residual Ukraine in a neutral state should be the
threat of an immediate continuation of the military operation in case of non
-compliance with the listed requirements. Perhaps this will require a
permanent Russian military presence on its territory. From the exclusion
line to the Russian border there will be a territory of potential
integration into Russian civilization, which is anti-fascist in its internal
nature. this would require a permanent Russian military presence on its
territory. From the exclusion line to the Russian border there will be a
territory of potential integration into Russian civilization, which is anti-
fascist in its internal nature. this would require a permanent Russian
military presence on its territory. From the exclusion line to the Russian
border there will be a territory of potential integration into Russian
civilization, which is anti-fascist in its internal nature.
Moscow Kremlin - RIA Novosti, 1920, 16.03.2022
March 16, 21:19
We will fight for the right to be and remain Russia
The operation to denazify Ukraine, which began with a military phase, will
follow the same logic of stages in peacetime as a military operation. At
each of them, it will be necessary to achieve irreversible changes, which
will become the results of the corresponding stage. In this case, the
necessary initial steps of denazification can be defined as follows:
—liquidation of armed Nazi formations (which means any armed formations of
Ukraine, including the Armed Forces of Ukraine), as well as the military,
informational, educational infrastructure that ensures their activity;
—the formation of public self-government bodies and militia (defense and
law enforcement) of the liberated territories, protecting the population
from the terror of underground Nazi groups;
—installation of the Russian information space;
—the withdrawal of educational materials and the prohibition of educational
programs at all levels containing Nazi ideological guidelines;
—mass investigative actions to establish personal responsibility for war
crimes, crimes against humanity, the spread of Nazi ideology and support for
the Nazi regime;
—lustration, publication of the names of accomplices of the Nazi regime,
involving them in forced labor to restore the destroyed infrastructure as
punishment for Nazi activities (from among those who will not be subject to
the death penalty or imprisonment);
—the adoption at the local level, under the supervision of Russia, of
primary normative acts of denazification "from below", a ban on all types
and forms of the revival of Nazi ideology;
—the establishment of memorials, commemorative signs, monuments to the
victims of Ukrainian Nazism, perpetuating the memory of the heroes of the
struggle against it;
—the inclusion of a complex of anti-fascist and denazification norms in the
constitutions of the new people's republics;
—creation of permanent denazification bodies for a period of 25 years.
Russia will have no allies in the denazification of Ukraine. Since this is a
purely Russian business. And also because not just the Bandera version of
Nazi Ukraine will be eradicated, but also, and above all, Western
totalitarianism, the imposed programs of civilizational degradation and
disintegration, the mechanisms of subjugation to the superpower of the West
and the United States .
A woman walks past the Ukrainian flag on Brighton Beach in New York - RIA
Novosti, 1920, 03/17/2022
March 17, 08:00
Ukraine divided the West
In order to put the plan of denazification of Ukraine into practice, Russia
itself will have to finally part with pro-European and pro-Western illusions
, realize itself as the last instance of protecting and preserving those
values of historical Europe (the Old World) that deserve it
and which the West ultimately abandoned, losing the fight for himself. This
struggle continued throughout the 20th century and was expressed in the
world war and the Russian revolution, inextricably linked with each other.
Russia did everything possible to save the West in the 20th century. She
implemented the main Western project, an alternative to capitalism, which
won the nation-states - a socialist, red project. It crushed German Nazism,
the monstrous offspring of the crisis of Western civilization. The last act
of Russian altruism was the outstretched hand of friendship from Russia, for
which Russia received a monstrous blow in the 1990s.
Participants of the nationalist march, dedicated to the 109th anniversary of
the birth of Stepan Bandera, in Lvov - RIA Novosti, 1920, 05.03.2022
March 5, 08:00
Europe fears denazification
Everything that Russia has done for the West, it has done at its own expense
, by making the greatest sacrifices. The West ultimately rejected all these
sacrifices, devalued Russia's contribution to resolving the Western crisis,
and decided to take revenge on Russia for the help that it selflessly
provided. Further, Russia will go its own way, not worrying about the fate
of the West, relying on another part of its heritage - leadership in the
global process of decolonization.
As part of this process, Russia has a high potential for partnerships and
allies with countries that the West has oppressed for centuries and which
are not going to put on its yoke again. Without Russian sacrifice and
struggle, these countries would not have been liberated. The denazification
of Ukraine is at the same time its decolonization, which the people of
Ukraine will have to understand as they begin to free themselves from the
intoxication, temptation and dependence of the so-called European choice.
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