o***o
发帖数: 194 | 1 这还是基于去年delta病毒的研究，Omicron估计更差
http://www.nature.com/articles/s41379-022-01069-9
Twenty-nine consecutively collected cases were analyzed and compared to 141
nonvaccinated control cases. Autopsies were performed on 16 partially and
13 fully vaccinated individuals. Most patients were elderly and suffered
from several relevant comorbidities. Real-time RT-PCR (RT-qPCR) identified a
significantly increased rate of generalized viral dissemination within
organ systems in vaccinated cases versus nonvaccinated cases (45% vs. 16%,
respectively; P = 0.008) mainly with Ct-values of higher than 25
in non-respiratory samples. However, vaccinated cases also showed high
viral loads, reaching Ct-values below 10, especially in the upper airways
and lungs. |
o***o
发帖数: 194 | 2 金三胖的医疗团队比全世界的都厉害，去年就看出来疫苗有问题，所以朝鲜一针不打。
中国韩国给朝鲜疫苗，朝鲜都不要 |
C*********g
发帖数: 1 | 3 朝鲜明确说了，mrna的要，中国的灭活不要。金三胖扇你一巴掌
【在 o***o 的大作中提到】
: 金三胖的医疗团队比全世界的都厉害，去年就看出来疫苗有问题，所以朝鲜一针不打。
: 中国韩国给朝鲜疫苗，朝鲜都不要
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w**********e
发帖数: 1 | |
m********e
发帖数: 1156 | 5 愚人节发表的？
141
a
25
【在 o***o 的大作中提到】
: 这还是基于去年delta病毒的研究，Omicron估计更差
: http://www.nature.com/articles/s41379-022-01069-9
: Twenty-nine consecutively collected cases were analyzed and compared to 141
: nonvaccinated control cases. Autopsies were performed on 16 partially and
: 13 fully vaccinated individuals. Most patients were elderly and suffered
: from several relevant comorbidities. Real-time RT-PCR (RT-qPCR) identified a
: significantly increased rate of generalized viral dissemination within
: organ systems in vaccinated cases versus nonvaccinated cases (45% vs. 16%,
: respectively; P = 0.008) mainly with Ct-values of higher than 25
: in non-respiratory samples. However, vaccinated cases also showed high
|
s******s
发帖数: 13035 | 6 楼主这样数理，尤其是统计，学的比较差的同学不要看流行病学的文章，容易瞎理解。
这篇文章的题目是“High viral loads: what drives fatal cases of COVID-19 in
vaccinees? – an autopsy study”。文章找了没打疫苗新冠死亡的患者，和打了疫苗
新冠死亡的患者，检查器官里面病毒总量，发现打了疫苗新冠死亡的患者器官里面病毒
总量比较高。
这个是标准的selection bias，说明疫苗的防护力和病毒剂量有关。很容易理解，没打
疫苗的新冠患者可能低病毒总量和高病毒总量致死的都有；但是打了疫苗的，低剂量病
毒直接免疫了不会的病或者得了病的不会重症死亡，能病死的那些都是病毒总量极高，
突破了疫苗保护作用的，所以尸体器官里面病毒总量比较高。
btw，这个也不是自然的文章，而是Modern Pathology
141
a
25
【在 o***o 的大作中提到】
: 这还是基于去年delta病毒的研究，Omicron估计更差
: http://www.nature.com/articles/s41379-022-01069-9
: Twenty-nine consecutively collected cases were analyzed and compared to 141
: nonvaccinated control cases. Autopsies were performed on 16 partially and
: 13 fully vaccinated individuals. Most patients were elderly and suffered
: from several relevant comorbidities. Real-time RT-PCR (RT-qPCR) identified a
: significantly increased rate of generalized viral dissemination within
: organ systems in vaccinated cases versus nonvaccinated cases (45% vs. 16%,
: respectively; P = 0.008) mainly with Ct-values of higher than 25
: in non-respiratory samples. However, vaccinated cases also showed high
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S*******l
发帖数: 4637 | 7 小军号很不诚实。
选择性引用。
这篇文章摘要最后一句就省了“Fatal cases of COVID-19 in vaccinees were rare
and often associated with severe comorbidities or other immunosuppressive
conditions.”
其实这篇文章的意思是，打疫苗的死亡案例很少，但是如果打了疫苗还死亡的病人，是
因为这些病人有其他严重的疾病和严重的免疫抑制。疫苗也救不了。 |
o***o
发帖数: 194 | 8 嘿嘿，这篇文章其实还写了这么一句
However, the potential role of antibody-dependent enhancement must also be
ruled out in future studies.
ADE的影响没有排除，显然作者知道什么其他的，因为政治不正确，没敢说 |
o***o
发帖数: 194 | 9 这种文章为了能发表，在开始和结束都会先喊几句口号，和文革写文章，喊两句毛主席
语录一样
"Vaccination against SARS coronavirus-2 (SARS-CoV-2) combined with contact
restrictions is the only way to reduce individual deaths and thus control
the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic"
这就是口号，其实文章内容和他的口号正好相反 |
S*******l
发帖数: 4637 | 10 这是针对这一特殊群体的。
他们之中即使出现了ADE，也是因为他们本身就是重病缠身，免疫体统早就功能低下的
人群。
选择性挑数据还隐瞒适用范围，take things out of context,为了支持你所谓的疫苗
有害论，是很不诚实的态度。
be
【在 o***o 的大作中提到】
: 嘿嘿，这篇文章其实还写了这么一句
: However, the potential role of antibody-dependent enhancement must also be
: ruled out in future studies.
: ADE的影响没有排除，显然作者知道什么其他的，因为政治不正确，没敢说
|
S*******l
发帖数: 4637 | 11 扯淡喊口号，是结结实实的统计数据。
知道你这样不负责任黑疫苗会害多少人么？
contact
【在 o***o 的大作中提到】
: 这种文章为了能发表，在开始和结束都会先喊几句口号，和文革写文章，喊两句毛主席
: 语录一样
: "Vaccination against SARS coronavirus-2 (SARS-CoV-2) combined with contact
: restrictions is the only way to reduce individual deaths and thus control
: the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic"
: 这就是口号，其实文章内容和他的口号正好相反
|
o***o
发帖数: 194 | 12 什么狗屁统计数据，政府都在造假
朝鲜不打疫苗，死亡率全球最低
【在 S*******l 的大作中提到】
: 扯淡喊口号，是结结实实的统计数据。
: 知道你这样不负责任黑疫苗会害多少人么？
:
: contact
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