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stoppingtime (李将军又打鸡血了) 于 (Tue Feb 21 16:21:50 2012, 美东) 提到:
前日谈到伤心岭，有人企图把伤心岭失守的责任推到换防的志愿军68军204师头上。事
实上，伤心岭的三个主要高地，有两个完全是人民军失守的，最后一个高地，851高地
，据美军战史，是人民军和志愿军联合防御最后失守的，但是我能够找到的志愿军和人
民军的战史都没有提851高地上还有志愿军的事情。
68军204师所防御的地段，是伤心岭以西的阵地，伤心岭是人民军第2军团在防守。204
师奉命提前接收人民军第5军团的阵地，结果在接防过程中，正好赶上美军进行朝鲜战
争里最大规模的坦克作战，守备伤心岭以西的文登里的志愿军610团促不及防，一时陷
入被动，伤亡也很大。但是志愿军及时组织了反坦克大队，集中反坦克兵器打美军坦克
，根据WIKI资料，一共击毁击伤坦克28辆，可以算是解放军历史上最大的反坦克战了。
根据卫勤资料，204师伤亡3000多人，可见战斗的残酷。
事实上，204师在文登里丢的阵地不多，主要丢失的阵地在612团的防区。韩8师集中兵
力，在兵力火力都占优势的情况下(一个师打一个团，绝对火力优势)，几天内夺取了17
个高地。612团抵抗也非常顽强，之所以丢失阵地的主要原因还是对方优势太大，而204
师还没有任何对联合国军作战的经验，而且204师的防区也太大了(人民军是用一个军团
来防守的)。
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ridgway (ridgway) 于 (Tue Feb 21 16:23:36 2012, 美东) 提到:
wiki里就是把伤心岭称为文登里之战，你悲愤也没用。
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_heartbreak_ridge
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ridgway (ridgway) 于 (Tue Feb 21 16:24:07 2012, 美东) 提到:
人民军一个军团人数和志愿军一个师差不多。
204
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ridgway (ridgway) 于 (Tue Feb 21 16:25:52 2012, 美东) 提到:
伤心岭是美军打的，伤心岭的称谓也是美军发明的，美军说伤心岭上有志愿军防守，美
军说志愿军68军和北韩5军团换防，你悲愤也没用。美军不会连志愿军和人民军的区别
也分不出来，而且美军给出的志愿军番号和中国战史描述也基本一致。
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ridgway (ridgway) 于 (Tue Feb 21 16:27:16 2012, 美东) 提到:
这里就是美军在伤心岭与中国人交战的描述。
The Battle of Heartbreak Ridge (Korean: 단장의 능&#
49440; 전투; French: Bataille de Crèvecœur), also known as
the Battle of Wendengli (Chinese: 文登里战斗; pinyin: Wén Dēng Lǐ Zhàn
Dòu), was a month-long battle in the Korean War fought between September 13
and October 15, 1951. The Battle of Heartbreak Ridge was one of several
major engagements in an area known as "The Punchbowl." The battle site is
located in the hills of North Korea a few miles north of the 38th parallel
north (the pre-war boundary between North and South Korea), near Chorwon.
For the Chinese, this battle is often confused with Battle of Triangle Hill,
which occurred a year later.
On October 12, the 2nd Division started airborne and artillery bombardment
that lasted for two hours on hill 635.8 and hill 709.6 before the 23rd
Regiment, led by 48 tanks, assaulted Chinese defense positions. Having
learned the American tactics from the previous day, the 610th Regiment of
the Chinese army already reinforced the anti-tank trenches flanking the road
that runs through the Mundung-ni Valley; in addition, a battalion of anti-
tank guns was assigned to the regiment; 49 infantry guns, recoilless guns
and rocket launchers were also distributed among the first-line soldiers. At
point-blank-range, the Chinese infantry soldiers fired upon the advancing
American tanks. Before the 23rd halted the assault at 1600hr, the Chinese
destroyed and damaged 18 tanks at a high cost of casualties. The 23rd
Regiment did not assault the hills on the next day. The South Korean 8th
Division, however, starting from the 13th of October, launched its attack on
hills 974，742.8，650，932.8 and 922. These battles were later known to be
brutal and costly; for example, a company of the Chinese 610th Regiment was
defending hill 932.8. Under the attack of four battalions of the South
Korean soldiers, the company resisted for four days to the last man before
the South Korean army took over the hill on its 11th assault. On October 14,
eight Sherman tanks in arrow formation attacked the Chinese positions along
Mundung-ni Valley. All eight tanks were lost under the cross fire of
Chinese anti-tank guns. Two more tanks were lost on October 19 due to anti-
tank mines. During the five days the Shermans roared up and down the Mundung
-ni Valley, over-running supply dumps, mauling troop concentrations, and
destroying approximately 350 bunkers on Heartbreak and in the surrounding
hills and valleys. A smaller tank-infantry team scoured the Sat'ae-ri Valley
east of the ridge, thereby completing the encirclement and eliminating any
hope of reinforcement for the beleaguered North Koreans on Heartbreak
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ridgway (ridgway) 于 (Tue Feb 21 16:29:04 2012, 美东) 提到:
68军204师所防御的地段，是伤心岭以西的阵地，伤心岭是人民军第2军团在防守。
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只有中国战史一家这么说吧？美日韩战史都说伤心岭是人民军第五军团防守，后来志愿
军68军和第五军团换防，人民军第二军团是伤心岭被攻占后才接替撤到后方的第五军团
登场的。
204
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ridgway (ridgway) 于 (Tue Feb 21 16:33:53 2012, 美东) 提到:
前日谈到伤心岭，有人企图把伤心岭失守的责任推到换防的志愿军68军204师头上。
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不时有人企图，而是美国战史记载的千真万确的事实。金胖又没贿赂美日韩战史作者，
为啥美日韩战史众口一词？
204
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stoppingtime (李将军又打鸡血了) 于 (Tue Feb 21 16:43:37 2012, 美东) 提到:
附图中为美军对人民军一个军团的兵力的大致说明。还有志愿军入朝时人民军的大致兵
力情况。我们可以看到人民军一个师正常情况下大约1万人，跟志愿军一个师大致相当
，那么人民军一个三个师的军团，跟志愿军的一个军大致应该差不多。204师加202师一
个团接防人民军5军团阵地，确实困难很大。
204
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stoppingtime (李将军又打鸡血了) 于 (Tue Feb 21 20:07:32 2012, 美东) 提到:
68军的主要地理屏障是鱼隐山，就好像上甘岭15军的主要屏障是五圣山一样。68军方向
上鱼隐山阵地曾经一度非常紧张，军长陈坊仁打电话给杨成武说顶不住。杨成武连撤职
这样的硬话都说出来了。最后612团在938点2高地拼死防御，一个连两个排几乎全部牺
牲（WIKI里面也提到了这场血战），加上调来了喀秋莎，才扛住美军。
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roygreat (roy) 于 (Tue Feb 21 20:27:09 2012, 美东) 提到:
照片里是什么武器？
204
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stoppingtime (李将军又打鸡血了) 于 (Tue Feb 21 20:33:05 2012, 美东) 提到:
人箭大炮！
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ridgway (ridgway) 于 (Wed Feb 22 09:26:22 2012, 美东) 提到:
第二个图是志愿军刚入朝时的情况，跟51年夏秋季攻势的情况大相径庭。
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ridgway (ridgway) 于 (Wed Feb 22 09:33:52 2012, 美东) 提到:
你自己贴的另外一个图显示夏季攻势前五军团3个师只有1.4万人，2军团只有1.8万。经
过夏秋季攻势血战，这两个军团的人数都只少不多。 |
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