b****a
发帖数: 4465 | 1 从1950年10月25日至1951年6月25日，据不完全统计，志愿军缴获M1半自动步枪近3万支
，该枪性能可靠，射击精确，美中不足就是该枪过于笨重，后座力偏大。
M1卡宾枪由于尺寸短小、利于携带，火力强、后座力小，非常受部队欢迎。由于该枪大
量装备南朝鲜军队，因此缴获的该型枪数量也非常多 | k*****r
发帖数: 21039 | 2 M1 auto loading rifle, 用的是过时了的30-06蛋，蛋壳太长，导致抽壳困难，自动动
作不可靠。 和同时期的德国G43， 苏联的SVT比，木有啥优势，反而是脑残的弹夹设计
，打完后会砰的一声弹出去，告诉敌人，这个人要换弹夹了。
M1卡宾的30-03蛋，比较鸡肋，米军发现其威力不足，不爱用。
【在 b****a 的大作中提到】
: 从1950年10月25日至1951年6月25日，据不完全统计，志愿军缴获M1半自动步枪近3万支
: ，该枪性能可靠，射击精确，美中不足就是该枪过于笨重，后座力偏大。
: M1卡宾枪由于尺寸短小、利于携带，火力强、后座力小，非常受部队欢迎。由于该枪大
: 量装备南朝鲜军队，因此缴获的该型枪数量也非常多
| z**********e
发帖数: 22064 | 3 这种弹夹肯定是没上过战场的设计师自作聪明，以为这样可以告诉射手，子弹打完了。
殊不知也告诉了敌人。 | g******n
发帖数: 53185 | 4 敌人还能跑过来不成？
【在 z**********e 的大作中提到】
: 这种弹夹肯定是没上过战场的设计师自作聪明，以为这样可以告诉射手，子弹打完了。
: 殊不知也告诉了敌人。
| z**********e
发帖数: 22064 | 5 又一个没上过战场的。
你不知道有巷战、混战、丛林战吗？
双方相距可能就不到1米，隔着一个墙角，只敢把枪伸过去胡乱打。
这时，一方听到另一方的枪发出了特有的“当”的一声，就知道他此时不能开枪，然后
就不用躲避，来到面对对方的地方，给他一枪。
二战中这种事例太多了。
【在 g******n 的大作中提到】
: 敌人还能跑过来不成？
| c****g
发帖数: 37081 | 6 擦，战场上就两个人打着玩，对方还能准确听见特有的“当”的一声。
【在 z**********e 的大作中提到】
: 又一个没上过战场的。
: 你不知道有巷战、混战、丛林战吗？
: 双方相距可能就不到1米，隔着一个墙角，只敢把枪伸过去胡乱打。
: 这时，一方听到另一方的枪发出了特有的“当”的一声，就知道他此时不能开枪，然后
: 就不用躲避，来到面对对方的地方，给他一枪。
: 二战中这种事例太多了。
| z**********e
发帖数: 22064 | 7 二战中美国兵因为这个被打死的很多，美国兵对这个怨声载道。
还有，这个跟人多人少有关系吗？
其实，就是拉枪栓的声音，都不这么危险：至少它不告诉对方，我没子弹了。
查到了这个，在韩战中，美军采用“双枪制”：两人配合，一个打，一个压满子弹等着
；等到“砰”一声弹夹弹出，对方露头时，压满子弹的那个就正好开火。
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FatelvisMarch 28, 2002, 07:51 PM
I once heard, that in close-up fighting, (I believe in the South Pacific),
that in a stalemate cover situation, the enemy would wait for the "ping" of
the Garand, and immediately rush in, killing him while reloading. Is this
true, did alot of US GIs get killed in this way?
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FrohickeyMarch 28, 2002, 07:55 PM
Probably. But I bet that the GIs also had a trick where they would do a
false garand 'PING' and lure the enemy to attack.
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KayleeMarch 28, 2002, 07:59 PM
Frohickey -- funny you should mention that.. I was talking with a Korea vet
recently -- he said they did exactly that. Two rifles -- one with a single
round, the other fully loaded and ready to go.
-K
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vanfunkMarch 28, 2002, 08:04 PM
I just can't see it. For engagement distances over 50 yards, there would be
plenty of time to reload (and that's being generous to the attacker). I'd
imagine that engagements under 50 yards would be so calamitous and frenzied,
I doubt any soldier on the receiving end of M2 ball would be able to hear
the "ping" of an en-bloc clip ejecting. Methinks this is a fear not firmly
rooted in experience. Never, ever have I heard a WWII vet speak of this
alleged phenomenon. It's still an interesting notion, though.
vanfunk
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C.R.SamMarch 28, 2002, 09:05 PM
I find it hard to believe. Ambient noise level is going to be high, the clip
sound would usually be lost in the myriad of other sounds.
Strange things do happen tho.
Sam
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NodakmarineMarch 28, 2002, 09:12 PM
While I won't call any vet a liar, (they were there, I was not) I find it
hard to believe and more than likely made up by rear echelon types that
wanted a war story to tell. I mean if you think about the report of a .30-06
and compare it to the ping of a clip ejecting, if you were close enough to
hear the clip eject, would you really hear much in the first place after the
muzzle blast of being in front of an M-1's barrel? Like I said, I wasn't
around when the Garand was the issue rifle so I can't speak on a first hand
account and I won't criticize another veteran but I still have my doubts
about the whole idea.
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444March 28, 2002, 09:55 PM
I wasn't there either, but it seems real far fetched to me. In order for
this situation to occur, the GI would have to be firing the rifle in order
for it to run dry. Meanwhile no one else on either side is firing because
that would cover the noise of the ping. And the GI would have to be by
himself since appearently once his rifle is empty, no one else is allowed to
shoot the guy making the one man charge. This is all assuming of course
that the enemy just happened to be close enough to hear the ping, and close
enough to be able to cover the distance from him to the GI before the GI
could reload, which also assumes the enemy knows exactly where the GI is.
The GI is also totally exposed without overhead cover since the enemy can
simply run forward and kill him before he can reload even though the senario
is clearly defensive in nature. Also the GI doesn't have a sidearm, hand
grenade, bayonet or anything to defend himself with after his M1 runs dry.
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WilderBillMarch 28, 2002, 09:56 PM
If you are shooting it you hear the enblock eject and you can't hardly be
closer than shooting it. I would guess that under the right circumstances it
could be a problem.
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Art EatmanMarch 28, 2002, 10:05 PM
I got to Korea for Occupation Duty in July of '54, a year after the truce
was signed. We had a few guys in the outfit who'd transferred in to finish
out their 16 months tours.
I heard the "ping" story there. They allegedly would have two guys in a
foxhole, and would keep count of rounds they'd fired. This would not be an
allout Hollywood firefight. Desultory shooting at fair distance at "targets
of opportunity". First guy pings, second guy looks for a pop-up Bad Guy.
The ping of the clip hitting the ground and bouncing was as loud as when it'
s ejected from the Garand...
Regardless of Truth, it's a great story...
:), Art
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saandsMarch 28, 2002, 10:32 PM
Like most of the posters on this one ... I wasn't there. BUT I will say that
EVERY time that I take my Garand to the range ... where there is usually
lots of background noise ... every head that is older than about 50 years
turns involuntarily after I take my 8th shot and Big John pings for the
first time of the day. EVERY TIME. It amazed me that people could hear it
the first time ... I guess some sounds are SO distintive that they can be
heard even through the din of gunfire.
Saands
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BamBam-31March 28, 2002, 10:50 PM
Just another example of how the gun is just a tool for the real weapon
between the ears.
Besides, Garands reload fast. Faster than magazines, faster than stripper
clips (at least in my untrained hands).
I think, like a previous poster said, the ping could have been a problem,
but planets have to align. Overall, IMHO, although the Garand may not have
been perfect, for its time, it was a superior weapon...er, tool.
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444March 28, 2002, 10:53 PM
I can understand everyone looking on a range, hell half the dopes there
probably think your gun came apart. But when a company or battalion of GIs
are all armed with M1s and a firefight is going on, I would tend to think
that you might hear that noise a lot; over there, over here, back there, up
here. It wouldn't be all that distintive, in fact it might be real common
sound to hear. I would tend to think that if it can be heard in the middle
of a firefight, hundreds of clips being ejected might hurt the ears.
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Art EatmanMarch 28, 2002, 11:08 PM
444, remember that in Korea there was quite a bit of static situation.
Trenches and all that. The way I was told, guys would shoot at where the N.
Koreans or Chinese were; they would shoot back. It might only be a very few
shooting, and rather spread out. As I said above, desultory.
Under that sort of scenario, the audibility would be possible.
Even in danger, there can be boredom. Boredom leads young folks into all
manner of imaginative actions. I can easily see where one guy would start
shooting, and the rest would wait to see if somebody suckered into looking
at the ping. :) If so, shame on him.
Another story: Bodies froze stiff. A couple of "old hands" would find a
Chinese corpse, and stick a bayonetted rifle into his back as a third leg of
the tripod. Then, that night, any newbie on patrol would be told to "Take
out that sentry." All manner of confusion could ensue...Was this really done
? Dunno. But so I was told.
Art
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Deaf SmithMarch 28, 2002, 11:33 PM
I don't know about the 'ping' getting any GI's killed, but the 'boom' sure
killed alot of enemy grunts.
Deaf
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444March 28, 2002, 11:33 PM
Now that was a good comeback, Deaf
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BamBam-31March 28, 2002, 11:53 PM
Hey saands,
I get the same kind of reactions you do when I shoot my Garand. You're right
about the "ping" sound being distinctive, and those that know it are often
drawn to it.
And it usually is the older gents that come up to me and ask me about my
rifle. "How's it shoot?", etc. I can't think of another rifle that evokes as
much nostalgia as the Garand.
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Badger ArmsMarch 29, 2002, 02:36 AM
I'm not sure why nobody else has mentioned this, but I've pulled targets at
a High-Power rifle match. I never remember hearing a ping, but can't
remember the shooters being closer than 100 yards to me, maybe 200. I do
distinctively remember being on the firing line and hearing other pings.
When pulling targets, every shot would be a sequence of sounds. The first
sound was the high-pitched 'crack' of a bullet much like a cap gun or small
firecracker. This is from the bullet itself breaking the sound barrier above
your head. Simultaneously, you'd see the bullet hole appear. This sound was
followed soon thereafter by a low-pitched 'thud' in the distance. This was
the report of the rifle.
The sequence was always "CRACK... WHUMP!" When they moved out to 600 yards,
the sound was, "CRACK.......... thud." Always annoys the heck out of me
watching otherwise good movies where you hear bullets whizzing by. Shrapnel
whizzes, bullets crack and sometimes go "TWOW" if they ricochet. They also
go "WHUCK" when they hit something soft and "CLANK" when they hit something
metalic. But in all those noises, I'm sure a "PING" would still stand out.
Funny story, while pulling targets (This was at Ft. Richardson, AK) we had
an Earthquake! The berm shook and dusted us something good but we went on
with the match.
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swampgatorMarch 29, 2002, 03:44 AM
Funny you should mention Korean Vets. When Dad was at Tongduch'on in 1956
there were a few War vets still hanging around.
Dad said they'd go out to qualify and these sergeants would take an M-2
Carbine insert a 30 rd mag and rip it off then flip the mag over (two taped
together) and rip off the second.
"Yep he's dead." Then walk off the line and light up a smoke!
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straightShotMarch 29, 2002, 07:58 AM
That's it.
I'm going out with my M1 and some Lake City ammo this weekend to put some
holes in paper and listen for that ping...
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iwovetMarch 29, 2002, 09:34 AM
Spent some time in the Pacific theater with the Marines and have never heard
of such a thing. Even in jungle fire fights the ping of the en bloc leaving
couldn't be noticeable. The sound of the last shot and the ejection of the
en bloc would sound as one. Also all of the other battle noises screens out
most of an individual shot.
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Southla1March 29, 2002, 09:41 AM
Badger Arms , I kow just what you are talking about being in the pits. If it
was the .30 Carbine you heard the crack of the sonic boom and the bullet
made a whine after it went through the target. A real round (30-06, 7.62)
you just heard the crack of the bullet........................except for the
time we decided to put the quonset hut behind the targets ourselves (
without civil engineering doing it for us) and it was about 2 feet too high!
As the rounds (real ones) were hitting tin the only noise you could hear
was CEASE FIRE! Damn the good times we had LOL! Took 3 tries with the tar to
stop the leaks...............entry holes were not too bad but you had to
beat the lil lip down before we could seal the exit holes.................
falling was always a problem with the rounded roof too......................
...specially after a 6 pack or 2!
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Mike IrwinMarch 29, 2002, 10:06 AM
I've been at matches/ranges where shooters with M1s are lined up and firing.
Anything over about 10 yards and you simply can't (or at least I coudldn't)
hear the ping of the clip leaving the rifle or hitting the ground.
It was a little different when the clip hit something hard, like the
concrete pad at the bottom of the shooting bench.
I could see where that sound would carry a lot farther, especially in an
urban environment, but I'm just not buying that it got Americans killed.
There was a similar discussion here a few months ago in which someone cited
a passage from a book by, I believe, Scott Duff, on this. According to that,
no verified case of a GI being killed due to this was ever reported.
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TurkMarch 29, 2002, 11:39 AM
Don't buy it. Sounds more like a buddy story. You know your 3rd wifes, 2nd
cousions brothers, mother-in laws uncle told you about it.
Think about what is going on during a firefight. You and the rest of your
element is firing which includes the hogs (machine guns) and if you're in a
defensive position your may also have 81's firing out and throwing frags and
lets not forget Redlegg, ARA and fixed wing assests that would be pounding
the bad guys. And then there's the incoming from the bad guys it can range
from from small arms, motors, recoiless, RPG's and if they're close enough
frags.
A firefight is a very noisy and confussing place to be in and waiting to
hear a ping to attack?
I think I'll give my friend of call he was a machine gunner in Korea.
Thats my 2 cents worth.
Turk
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bmwguyMarch 29, 2002, 11:44 AM
I've read somewhere that GIs would carry spare empty clips. The GIs would
throw the empty clip and create a false ping. When the enemy rushed, they
just picked them off.:)
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RickBMarch 29, 2002, 03:27 PM
The story that my dad told me, was that when the Marines transitioned from
the '03 to the M1, they would sucker the enemy by firing five rounds, then
wait for the ensuing charge to use the other three; who would shoot 5/8ths
of their ammo to draw an attack? And everyone fires in unison, so the enemy
can count the rounds? It's another good story, but it doesn't make much
sense.
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chaimMarch 29, 2002, 05:03 PM
From what I've heard, both in books on WWII and from some vets, is that
sometimes the Germans would listen for pings. They would keep their heads
down until they heard the firing lessen and they started hearing the M1
clips hitting the ground, then they would pop up and return fire. Many US
troops started carrying empty clips around (with the M1 "clips" is the right
terminology) and fire a few times, tapper off, and start dropping clips so
the Germans would believe that most soldiers were reloading and raise their
heads to return fire. When the Germans popped their heads over their cover
to return fire the Americans would then shoot them. So, while I haven't
really heard of any problems due to it, the sound was used as a bluff in
Normandy. It pretty much stopped working shortly after Normandy as the
Germans caught on to what was happening.
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mbottMarch 29, 2002, 09:40 PM
Found on Bruce Canfield website:
"An Enduring "Urban Legend"
Everyone is familiar with "Urban Legends" which are fantasy stories that
have been told and re-told so many times that some people believe them to be
true. One such story has plagued the M1 Garand rifle since at least the
time of its adoption in 1936. The "legend" involves the distinctive "pinging
" noise that the empty M1 clip makes when it is ejected from the rifle. When
the M1 was adopted, some of its critics claimed that this was a serious
defect in the rifle because an enemy could hear the "ping" and would know
that the rifle was empty. This "defect" of the M1 was the cause of many
barracks "bull sessions" during World War II and a number of new recruits
were undoubtedly frightened. Even today, the story is repeated in some books
and articles. The "legend" involves U.S. soldiers who were killed because
the enemy was alerted that their M1 rifle was empty due to the noise of the
ejected clip. While there are multiple variations to the story, they
basically involve an American GI with an empty Garand rifle who was killed
when the wily Japanese (or in some stories, German)heard the sound of the
ejected clip, charged cross the open ground and bayoneted (or shot) the
hapless "dogface" while he fumbled with trying to reload his empty Garand.
An interesting twist on this "legend" involves U.S. soldiers turning the
tables on their devious enemies by dropping empty M1 clips on the ground to
simulate the noise of an ejected clip and then mowing the enemy down when
they foolishly revealed their positions to the Americans with supposedly
empty rifles. A variation of the story stated that members of the U.S. Army
First Special Service Force who were armed with M1941 Johnson Light Machine
Guns would fire eight rounds from their weapons, throw empty M1 clips on the
ground and then use the remaining 12 rounds in their magazines to kill the
Germans who were fooled by this bit of clever deception. Such stories were
not limited to World War II and variants of the "legend" are attributed to
the Korean War when the Red Chinese troops heard the ejected M1 clips
hitting the frozen ground and then killing the Americans with unloaded
Garands.
Despite this "legend" being around for over six decades, there is not one
documented instance where an American soldier was killed because of a noisy
ejected M1 clip. Repeat, there is NO official confirmation of such an
incident. If one thinks about it, such a scenario is actually quite absurd.
Anyone who has been in combat will verify that a battlefield is a noisy and
confusing place. To think that an enemy could hear the sound of an ejected
clip several hundred (or even several dozen) yards away over the din of
explosions and the racket of many weapons being fired is not logical. Even
in the case of a close-range firefight, the scenario does not hold water.
Even if an enemy could hear the sound of an ejected clip, he really couldn't
do much in the brief period that it takes to reload an M1. A GI with a
little practice and a lot of incentive can reload a Garand in just a few
seconds. Even Carl Lewis couldn't sprint very far before he would be faced
with an angry American with a fresh eight-round clip. Also, even if the GI
with the empty Garand couldn't reload fast enough, there would be fellow
squad members around with loaded BARs, carbines, M1919A4 machine guns,
Thompson submachine guns and other weapons who would be only too happy to
send the enemy to their fate in the hereafter.
Some British authors who never used the M1 rifle have published this "defect
" of the M1 rifle in numerous books and articles. Even some American writers
who should know better have repeated the same bit of fantasy. While the M1
rifle was not perfect, the fact that its ejected clip makes a "pinging"
noise when it is ejected is not, by any means, a flaw. If anyone has even a
single documented instance of an American being killed due to this reason, I
would be quite interested in hearing about it. I recall as a kid in the
late '50s and early 60's reading "war stories" in the men's magazines of the
day while waiting for a haircut at the barber shop. At the time, I had
never handled (let alone fired) a M1 rifle and such tales seemed reasonable.
However, to anyone with a knowledge of military small arms and combat
situations, it should be readily apparent that such stories clearly fall
into the "Urban Legend" category. Hopefully, someday, this piece of fantasy
will die a natural death. In the meantime,if you hear a variation of the
story being repeated, politely ask what documentation they have to support
it. You will likely hear that they "read it somewhere" or their brother-in-
law's next door neighbor knew somebody in WWII who was killed because of a
noisy M1 clip. That ain't documentation!"
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vanfunkMarch 29, 2002, 10:08 PM
If an M1 en bloc clip ejects in the woods and no one is around to hear it,
does it make a sound? :rolleyes:
Sorry, that was awful, and not even funny.
Perhaps that's the sound of one hand clapping?
Jeez, I'd better quit while I'm behind.
Mbott, thanks for the definitive quote on the subject.
vanfunk
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Art EatmanMarch 30, 2002, 01:58 AM
Yeah, thanks, mbott.
Spoilsport. :p
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SaltMarch 30, 2002, 02:49 AM
If they rush at you when loading, you still got the bayonet.
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Badger ArmsMarch 30, 2002, 03:24 AM
I've got a modified operating rod catch in my Garand. It does not eject the
clip after the last round fires! All you do is hit the clip ejector and you'
re set. It really helps when you are single-loading or just at the range
burning up ammo.
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DeadmanMarch 31, 2002, 07:32 PM
Can the ping get an Allied soldier killed?
YES!
And I've done it!
Well.... in a video game at least.... ;)
While playing the WW2 game Day Of Defeat as a German rifleman I heard an
allied players Garand make the 'ping' noise. Which allowed me to get out
from behind cover and shoot into the window the Allied player was firing
from. After a few shots from my K98, the U.S. player stuck his head out and
got hit.
So yes it can happen in a virtual world at least :p
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Vladimir_BerkovApril 2, 2002, 12:57 AM
I think this is an urban legend. I am a WW2 reenactor, (eastern front though
) and even with BLANKS you loose your hearing pretty fast when in combat.
Try firing 30 rounds out of a submachinegun with no hearing protection and
then listening for a little metal "ping" 50-100 yards away. I doubt it.
I think firing the Garand makes you think the "ping" is really loud and
apparent to other people around you. But then again, you can hear that "
sprong!" when firing an AR-15 but is it is pretty much impossible to hear it
if you are not the one firing the weapon.
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BluRidgDavApril 2, 2002, 11:01 PM
Hows that old saying go . . . "There's nothing so believable, as an often
repeated lie."
I remember standing behind the DCM line in Corpus Christi one Saturday
morning. My buddies & I showed up late and were waiting to shoot on the 2nd
relay. We got busy BS-ing (didn't have any ear protection on) and didn't
notice the range commands that allowed about 25 M1's to open up
simultaneously for a 10-round rapid-fire string. After 250 BIG .30-06 BANGS,
none of us remember hearing any pings. Add some artillary, motars, grenades
, tanks, screaming, etc, etc, etc. and you want to leave cover and bet your
life on hearing a "ping"? Or was that the sound of someone opening another
can of ammo?
BRD.
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dotman 1911April 3, 2002, 12:30 AM
If you were ever around soldiers armed with M1 Garrands you would hesitate
to ask such a question. Reload time is not a problem.If you were to time
your move so as to make a charge when you heard the clip take flight- you
would most likley find 8 fresh rounds waiting for you.IMO
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Art EatmanApril 3, 2002, 09:17 AM
dotman, playing the "if" game on just hearing the ping: The enemy wouldn't "
charge". He'd pop up from a foxhole, or look out a window to take a shot.
A problem for those who'd deny the ping-deal is that a battlefield is not an
unending amount of rifle, machine gun or artillery fire.
My father's stories of warfare in Europe cause me to believe that
occasionally there would be maybe one guy firing at a window where a German
soldier was seen or suspected. The rest of a squad was alert and looking at
other windows, for example. Under those circumstances, the ping could have
been audible, or if not upon ejection then when hitting a sidewalk or paved
street.
Per his admittedly reticent and occasional tales, there was a lot of solo-
squad action in developed areas--and a fair amount of quiet.
C'est la guerre...
Art
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dotman 1911April 3, 2002, 07:52 PM
Art,I really don't know much about playing the "IF Game". That was not why I
made the post. I am not one of the WW2 or Korean war vets.I did however
spend 20 plus years in the US Army and the first weapon I qulaified with was
the M1. I have also heard alot of great "Ping"stories . They have been
explained in several recent "American Shooter" and "Tales of the Gun" tv
shows. For the sake of peace I will go so far as to say that all the ping
stories are factual based and most of them may very well be true. I did not
intend to flame anyone with my comment.
The small point that I wanted to make was that a soldier armed with an M1
Garrand was well armed and could reload that ole battle rifle in a heartbeat.
Did not mean to rain on your parade or crap on your story,
Sincerly John L Mc Grath,from Puyallup Washington
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CheapoApril 3, 2002, 07:52 PM
Far too many assumptions behind the disbelief here.
What about the more sporadic shooting situations? I've been on the line and
had NO trouble hearing pings all over the place.
What about the close-quarters situations? In the next room house-to-house,
behind a tree 10 yards away, around a nearby hedgerow or just behind that
mound of dirt. Not all enemy engagements were at 50-plus yards.
What about the situations where the enemy need only move a few feet to get a
clear shot?
What about the situations where there is no supporting fire available?
What about the situations where either nobody lived to tell the tale (on our
side), or those who lived haven't spoken.
AND WHAT'S WITH THIS WORSHIP OF DOCUMENTS??!!??!! It's as if some military
clerk didn't write it down, it didn't happen? Come ON!!
This discussion isn't over until we talk with some Japanese, Italian, German
, North Korean, Chinese, and a few early NVA/Viet Cong veterans.
They're the ones who could live to tell the tale.
I believe it, but I also believe it probably happened less than 100 times
over the reign of the Garand in the U.S. military.
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Crimper-DApril 3, 2002, 08:03 PM
Never heard of this from a WWII vet fighting in either Europe or the Pacific
. Remember the thingy on the bottom of the muzzel of a M1 Garand? It's
called a Bayonet lug and in combat, more than likely, there was about a foot
of sharp knife spliced to the front end of the rifle - not something to be
charging into even if you were close enough to charge before the rifle could
be reloaded. The usual infantry actions wern't single duels, they were
squad level or larger and everyone was covering everyone else, not just with
rifles, but with sidearms, Automatic weapons - BAR's and Thompsons, and LMG
's. Not to forget grenades.
There was _One_ sound that was distinctive and it was in the Pacific, and on
the other side! The Impirial Japanese Army handgrenade was activated by
pulling the safety pin and charging the fuse by impacting the top of the
fuse against a hard object before throwing the grenade. The usual "hard
object" was the Imperial Army steel helmet!:rolleyes: When our infantrymen
heard a sharp "Crick-Crick!" = It was time to duck!:eek:
Apparently a distinctive sound, even in close combat... I've heard this from
numerous Pacific Theater vets... but not about the 'Ping' of the en-block
clip.
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Deaf SmithApril 3, 2002, 10:38 PM
And how many Japs and Krauts were killed when they stuck their head up after
counting 5 shots (as most bolt action rifles have) and getting their head
blown off by a M1? Or how many of those enemy troops got killed by a second
(or third, or forth, or fifth, etc..) snap shot from a M1 as the soldier ran
across a opening and the M1 shooter was able to get off quick shots? Bet
one hell of allot more than died from this 'ping' fantasy.
Deaf
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Vladimir_BerkovApril 3, 2002, 11:49 PM
Who the hell can count shots in combat? For that matter, what sort of combat
is it where there is only 1 GI shooting? If there are more than one, the
number of shots heard becomes meaningless.
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