M********4 发帖数: 1272 | 1 看了两遍了,主要证据在此: “During the chase in Mombasa, Cobb tries to
escape down an alleyway, and the two buildings between which he's running
begin closing in on him - a classic anxiety dream moment...”
来源:
http://chud.com/articles/articles/24477/1/NEVER-WAKE-UP-THE-MEANING-AND-SECRET-OF-INCEPTION/Page1.html
This entire article is a major spoiler for Inception. Please do not read it
until you've experienced Christopher Nolan's film for yourself.
Every single moment of Inception is a dream. I think that in |
e*******r 发帖数: 1433 | 2 yes, It was weird when I saw it. The gap between two walls is actually big
enough for a person, why cobb tried his best to get through. Now it reminds
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d******g 发帖数: 5484 | 3 Cobb目睹Mal自杀的时候在对面楼上,我也觉得有些奇怪。 |
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m***r 发帖数: 1801 | 5 should mark
it
【在 M********4 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 看了两遍了,主要证据在此: “During the chase in Mombasa, Cobb tries to : escape down an alleyway, and the two buildings between which he's running : begin closing in on him - a classic anxiety dream moment...” : 来源: : http://chud.com/articles/articles/24477/1/NEVER-WAKE-UP-THE-MEANING-AND-SECRET-OF-INCEPTION/Page1.html : This entire article is a major spoiler for Inception. Please do not read it : until you've experienced Christopher Nolan's film for yourself. : Every single moment of Inception is a dream. I think that in
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a******e 发帖数: 6689 | 6 what a great analysis! Bravo!!!
I love how he matches each character to the role different staff plays in
making films. This is a wonderful piece!
However, you may want to change your title to something else, for
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M********4 发帖数: 1272 | 8 爷您也真有时间,译得滴水不漏,估计是用专业翻译软件翻的。
题目还是改了,不过听说这部电影是最不怕剧透的:)
【在 a******e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 福利,给懒得读英文的同学: : http://www.mitbbs.com/clubarticle/FilmStudies/7885_0.html
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y****t 发帖数: 577 | 9 香港片好多这样类似的,被人追打,看到一条缝就钻过去,钻一半才发现出口这头比较
窄,就卡住了,然后被拖出爆殴。 连疯狂的石头也是这样,顶你个肺的那个,爬着爬
着就卡住。 不是什么building向内挤,本来就一头大一头小。 如果两栋楼最后轰得一
声合拢了,这才真的有问题。
it
【在 M********4 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 看了两遍了,主要证据在此: “During the chase in Mombasa, Cobb tries to : escape down an alleyway, and the two buildings between which he's running : begin closing in on him - a classic anxiety dream moment...” : 来源: : http://chud.com/articles/articles/24477/1/NEVER-WAKE-UP-THE-MEANING-AND-SECRET-OF-INCEPTION/Page1.html : This entire article is a major spoiler for Inception. Please do not read it : until you've experienced Christopher Nolan's film for yourself. : Every single moment of Inception is a dream. I think that in
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M********4 发帖数: 1272 | 10 Viewers naturally come up with different perceptions. However, when this
scene is associated with other elements in the show, I was enlightened that
everything was a dream ...
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 香港片好多这样类似的,被人追打,看到一条缝就钻过去,钻一半才发现出口这头比较 : 窄,就卡住了,然后被拖出爆殴。 连疯狂的石头也是这样,顶你个肺的那个,爬着爬 : 着就卡住。 不是什么building向内挤,本来就一头大一头小。 如果两栋楼最后轰得一 : 声合拢了,这才真的有问题。 : : it
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y****t 发帖数: 577 | 11 如果都是梦,有没有Cobb,有没有Cobb的梦都是可疑的。 你确定你看的是别人的梦,
还是因为你的perception觉得那是别人的梦?
that
【在 M********4 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Viewers naturally come up with different perceptions. However, when this : scene is associated with other elements in the show, I was enlightened that : everything was a dream ...
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M********4 发帖数: 1272 | 12 The dream could be Nolan's rather than Cobb's.
I had been under the impression that first layer was reality until reading
the aforementioned analysis by Devin Faraci. The analysis resolved my
doubts about the following elements:
1) The chase in Mombasa, as mentioned earlier. The gap between the
buildings narrowed down, signaling anxiety of the dreamer. And, Saito came
to the rescue of Cobb, saying that he was to protect his investment.
Mombasa appears to be a city in Kenya, as indicated by t
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 如果都是梦,有没有Cobb,有没有Cobb的梦都是可疑的。 你确定你看的是别人的梦, : 还是因为你的perception觉得那是别人的梦? : : that
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y****t 发帖数: 577 | 13 如果都是梦,还有Fischer, Mal, 和Saito这些人吗? 凭什么相信the loss of his
wife? Nolan就是拍个电影,让你做梦,他本身没做梦。 Nolan's dream这个逻辑很无
聊,因为电影本身就是假的。
1)通道可以一头宽一头窄2)Saito是个黑道,不太露面不行吗? 3) 他家不能是两间打
通的吗?现在国内挺流行的,买一整层,打通了。 4)不就是外衣很像嘛,你也不知道
内衣裤是不是一样,袜子是不是一样,哪里说过是一模一样的。 都是自己认为的。 5
)这个简直是无聊,本来就是一伙的,能不知道几点去接机吗?不用把Cobb跟他老爸打
电话,上priceline买打折机票都交代一遍吧。 他儿子总算能回国了,全家团圆的大事
,请假不可以啊? |
l*********p 发帖数: 296 | 14 mark
it
【在 M********4 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 看了两遍了,主要证据在此: “During the chase in Mombasa, Cobb tries to : escape down an alleyway, and the two buildings between which he's running : begin closing in on him - a classic anxiety dream moment...” : 来源: : http://chud.com/articles/articles/24477/1/NEVER-WAKE-UP-THE-MEANING-AND-SECRET-OF-INCEPTION/Page1.html : This entire article is a major spoiler for Inception. Please do not read it : until you've experienced Christopher Nolan's film for yourself. : Every single moment of Inception is a dream. I think that in
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C*******r 发帖数: 10345 | 15 还有影片最后,Fisher明明是会Los Angeles, 却要填外国人入境表(注意Cobb就没要
填)。很多貌似不和常理的细节都透露其实都是梦。 |
m***r 发帖数: 1801 | 16 他填custom form 不是 i-94
没交代cobb拿表不代表他没填表。你要是看得仔细的话,他出关的时候,看到他老爸之
前,把皱巴巴的custom form给了offcial
【在 C*******r 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 还有影片最后,Fisher明明是会Los Angeles, 却要填外国人入境表(注意Cobb就没要 : 填)。很多貌似不和常理的细节都透露其实都是梦。
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m*t 发帖数: 843 | 17 this is ridiculaous
it's like Obama will hire Hilary
it
【在 M********4 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 看了两遍了,主要证据在此: “During the chase in Mombasa, Cobb tries to : escape down an alleyway, and the two buildings between which he's running : begin closing in on him - a classic anxiety dream moment...” : 来源: : http://chud.com/articles/articles/24477/1/NEVER-WAKE-UP-THE-MEANING-AND-SECRET-OF-INCEPTION/Page1.html : This entire article is a major spoiler for Inception. Please do not read it : until you've experienced Christopher Nolan's film for yourself. : Every single moment of Inception is a dream. I think that in
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M********4 发帖数: 1272 | 18 "Yes we can": Obama did hire Hillary. Are you awake?
I'd say, the wedding ring theory is the only alternative that makes me
seriously consider the top level scenes to be reality. Cobb was never seen
wearing a ring at the top level while he was shown to wear a wedding ring on
his left hand in the lower level episodes.
【在 m*t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : this is ridiculaous : it's like Obama will hire Hilary : : it
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M********4 发帖数: 1272 | 19 ((如果都是梦,还有Fischer, Mal, 和Saito这些人吗? 凭什么相信the loss of his
wife? Nolan就是拍个电影,让你做梦,他本身没做梦。))
It could be Nolan's autobiographic work, as analyzed by Devin.
(( Nolan's dream这个逻辑很无聊,因为电影本身就是假的。))
No objection...
1)通道可以一头宽一头窄
Do you have to insist Nolan copied from those Asian movies?
2)Saito是个黑道,不太露面不行吗?
This contradicts what the movie showed. Cobb was hired by Cobol Engineering
to steal from Saito.
Why does Nolan have to use xxx Engineering as a name for a member of the
mafia?
3) 他家不能是两间打通的吗?
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 如果都是梦,还有Fischer, Mal, 和Saito这些人吗? 凭什么相信the loss of his : wife? Nolan就是拍个电影,让你做梦,他本身没做梦。 Nolan's dream这个逻辑很无 : 聊,因为电影本身就是假的。 : 1)通道可以一头宽一头窄2)Saito是个黑道,不太露面不行吗? 3) 他家不能是两间打 : 通的吗?现在国内挺流行的,买一整层,打通了。 4)不就是外衣很像嘛,你也不知道 : 内衣裤是不是一样,袜子是不是一样,哪里说过是一模一样的。 都是自己认为的。 5 : )这个简直是无聊,本来就是一伙的,能不知道几点去接机吗?不用把Cobb跟他老爸打 : 电话,上priceline买打折机票都交代一遍吧。 他儿子总算能回国了,全家团圆的大事 : ,请假不可以啊?
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m****z 发帖数: 1394 | 20 确实是看过写得最好的影评,在单纯的解读电影情节之上上升了一个高度。 |
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y****t 发帖数: 577 | 21 别歪曲我的意思,我从没提过copy,只是说一头宽一头窄,类似的情况很多。如果你想
不明白,就回头再看一遍电影,并读一下我的原帖。 copy不关我事,找方舟子。
日本黑社会不可以开公司吗? 香港黑道向华强向华胜也开着电影公司,周星驰也常受
雇那个公司拍电影,电影制作单位肯定不会写XXX黑帮,而写XX公司。这个可以接受吧
。
内衣裤的argument是搞笑而已,其实重点是小孩有没有露脸,衣服只是故意让人混淆的
噱头而已。
那就有两间房了,都他家的,租的买的重要吗?重要是Mal是可以在对面那间房跳楼就
ok了。Devin想不通,但是你看明白了,对吧。
his
Engineering
【在 M********4 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : ((如果都是梦,还有Fischer, Mal, 和Saito这些人吗? 凭什么相信the loss of his : wife? Nolan就是拍个电影,让你做梦,他本身没做梦。)) : It could be Nolan's autobiographic work, as analyzed by Devin. : (( Nolan's dream这个逻辑很无聊,因为电影本身就是假的。)) : No objection... : 1)通道可以一头宽一头窄 : Do you have to insist Nolan copied from those Asian movies? : 2)Saito是个黑道,不太露面不行吗? : This contradicts what the movie showed. Cobb was hired by Cobol Engineering : to steal from Saito.
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M********4 发帖数: 1272 | 22 知道大爷您处理的信息量太小。我就指出一点。
Mal 跳楼的那间房间是她匿名租的。Cobb & Mal 来此是专程纪念他们的“周年”的。
这些都是影片中EXPLICITLY显示的啦。 所以说爷爷您耳聋眼花老走神,要搞清这部电
影,您还得等DVD出来。。。
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 别歪曲我的意思,我从没提过copy,只是说一头宽一头窄,类似的情况很多。如果你想 : 不明白,就回头再看一遍电影,并读一下我的原帖。 copy不关我事,找方舟子。 : 日本黑社会不可以开公司吗? 香港黑道向华强向华胜也开着电影公司,周星驰也常受 : 雇那个公司拍电影,电影制作单位肯定不会写XXX黑帮,而写XX公司。这个可以接受吧 : 。 : 内衣裤的argument是搞笑而已,其实重点是小孩有没有露脸,衣服只是故意让人混淆的 : 噱头而已。 : 那就有两间房了,都他家的,租的买的重要吗?重要是Mal是可以在对面那间房跳楼就 : ok了。Devin想不通,但是你看明白了,对吧。 :
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m*t 发帖数: 843 | 23
man, you missed my joke
seen
on
interesting, have to watch it again
【在 M********4 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : "Yes we can": Obama did hire Hillary. Are you awake? : I'd say, the wedding ring theory is the only alternative that makes me : seriously consider the top level scenes to be reality. Cobb was never seen : wearing a ring at the top level while he was shown to wear a wedding ring on : his left hand in the lower level episodes.
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y****t 发帖数: 577 | 24 看来质疑对面楼的帖子不是你的,是我眼花。我只是认为在对面楼跳楼时可行的,这点
应该你是认可的。
【在 M********4 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 知道大爷您处理的信息量太小。我就指出一点。 : Mal 跳楼的那间房间是她匿名租的。Cobb & Mal 来此是专程纪念他们的“周年”的。 : 这些都是影片中EXPLICITLY显示的啦。 所以说爷爷您耳聋眼花老走神,要搞清这部电 : 影,您还得等DVD出来。。。
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m***r 发帖数: 1801 | 25 i believe he was wearing the ring at the topmost layer.
seen
on
【在 M********4 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : "Yes we can": Obama did hire Hillary. Are you awake? : I'd say, the wedding ring theory is the only alternative that makes me : seriously consider the top level scenes to be reality. Cobb was never seen : wearing a ring at the top level while he was shown to wear a wedding ring on : his left hand in the lower level episodes.
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n*****e 发帖数: 655 | |
F*****n 发帖数: 1552 | 27 这个标题严重剧透啊
it
【在 M********4 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 看了两遍了,主要证据在此: “During the chase in Mombasa, Cobb tries to : escape down an alleyway, and the two buildings between which he's running : begin closing in on him - a classic anxiety dream moment...” : 来源: : http://chud.com/articles/articles/24477/1/NEVER-WAKE-UP-THE-MEANING-AND-SECRET-OF-INCEPTION/Page1.html : This entire article is a major spoiler for Inception. Please do not read it : until you've experienced Christopher Nolan's film for yourself. : Every single moment of Inception is a dream. I think that in
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r****t 发帖数: 10904 | 28 没觉得有什么奇怪的,这种全梦随便你怎么评好了,都是浪费时间。 |
a******e 发帖数: 36306 | 29 其他我不管,第三在旅馆是很正常的,大楼拐角的地方,一边一个房间,大部分时候美
国人都不开窗的,尤其这种没阳台的房间。就算不是拐角,两个楼在某个地方靠的近,
大城市里面太常见了。
came
【在 M********4 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : The dream could be Nolan's rather than Cobb's. : I had been under the impression that first layer was reality until reading : the aforementioned analysis by Devin Faraci. The analysis resolved my : doubts about the following elements: : 1) The chase in Mombasa, as mentioned earlier. The gap between the : buildings narrowed down, signaling anxiety of the dreamer. And, Saito came : to the rescue of Cobb, saying that he was to protect his investment. : Mombasa appears to be a city in Kenya, as indicated by t
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u******a 发帖数: 7843 | 31 fisher是澳大利亚国籍.
【在 C*******r 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 还有影片最后,Fisher明明是会Los Angeles, 却要填外国人入境表(注意Cobb就没要 : 填)。很多貌似不和常理的细节都透露其实都是梦。
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u******a 发帖数: 7843 | 32 可以这么解释, 但是本来任何电影都是有bug的, 但不影响理解电影. 不用执著于整个
电影是不是梦. 拿出电影的bug, 或是一点点不合理的细节说这电影是梦其实没有什么
意义. 况解我觉得文中的几点"bug"除了saito在monbasa出现比较戏剧性以外其他都很合理.
要说这电影不和逻辑的事多了去了, fischer在第三层连中两枪挂掉进入limbo, 在
limbo中kick give his own kick本来就不合理+第三层电击复活之后和没事人一样更可
笑. 还有在第一层大家发现fisher的projection受过训练, Eames拒绝继续做任务, 因
为go deeper只会raise the steaks. cobb说如果在这被全副武装的projection包围一
个星期他们只会一个一个死去, 小队只能加速完成任务. 其实他们迅速完成任务之后还
是要呆在第一层一个星期, 因为在现实中没有人知道任务完成而给他们kick. 最终结果
还是死.
最后cobb的孩子长大了, 也换了衣服. 注意看片尾字幕, 诺兰甚至安排了4个不同的演
员来演cobb的小孩. 从Mal死亡到Cob
【在 M********4 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 看了两遍了,主要证据在此: “During the chase in Mombasa, Cobb tries to : escape down an alleyway, and the two buildings between which he's running : begin closing in on him - a classic anxiety dream moment...” : 来源: : http://chud.com/articles/articles/24477/1/NEVER-WAKE-UP-THE-MEANING-AND-SECRET-OF-INCEPTION/Page1.html : This entire article is a major spoiler for Inception. Please do not read it : until you've experienced Christopher Nolan's film for yourself. : Every single moment of Inception is a dream. I think that in
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k*****e 发帖数: 22013 | 33
很合理.
因为fischer被绑架,所以他的潜意识才招来枪手的projection围攻小队。
当车子落水以后,任务结束,fischer恢复自由,这种紧张情绪就会消失。
枪手projection就不会继续围攻了。
【在 u******a 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 可以这么解释, 但是本来任何电影都是有bug的, 但不影响理解电影. 不用执著于整个 : 电影是不是梦. 拿出电影的bug, 或是一点点不合理的细节说这电影是梦其实没有什么 : 意义. 况解我觉得文中的几点"bug"除了saito在monbasa出现比较戏剧性以外其他都很合理. : 要说这电影不和逻辑的事多了去了, fischer在第三层连中两枪挂掉进入limbo, 在 : limbo中kick give his own kick本来就不合理+第三层电击复活之后和没事人一样更可 : 笑. 还有在第一层大家发现fisher的projection受过训练, Eames拒绝继续做任务, 因 : 为go deeper只会raise the steaks. cobb说如果在这被全副武装的projection包围一 : 个星期他们只会一个一个死去, 小队只能加速完成任务. 其实他们迅速完成任务之后还 : 是要呆在第一层一个星期, 因为在现实中没有人知道任务完成而给他们kick. 最终结果 : 还是死.
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u******a 发帖数: 7843 | 34 doesn't make sense. 在第一层直接让fischer恢复自由也是同样效果, 犯不着下到3层
那么冒险. 以Eames的智商和性格根本不会为了cobb冒这个险. 小组里的其他成员和
cobb也是非亲非故, go deeper这个动作只对cobb有利而已.
【在 k*****e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : : 很合理. : 因为fischer被绑架,所以他的潜意识才招来枪手的projection围攻小队。 : 当车子落水以后,任务结束,fischer恢复自由,这种紧张情绪就会消失。 : 枪手projection就不会继续围攻了。
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k*****e 发帖数: 22013 | 35 还可以这么解释
如果一群人把你绑架了,突然莫名其妙就放了,你肯定还会紧张好几天,对吧。
但是如果这个绑架的阴谋被你识破,还将计就计地反打入敌人内部,
因此解决了一个从小就困扰着自己的情感问题。这样恢复自由以后,
更多的是如释重负的轻松,而不是紧张。
【在 u******a 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : doesn't make sense. 在第一层直接让fischer恢复自由也是同样效果, 犯不着下到3层 : 那么冒险. 以Eames的智商和性格根本不会为了cobb冒这个险. 小组里的其他成员和 : cobb也是非亲非故, go deeper这个动作只对cobb有利而已.
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u******a 发帖数: 7843 | 36 我倒不觉的. Fischer根本就不怎么紧张, 因为他觉得几百万美元的赎金就可以轻易解
决问题, 从他进出租车被威胁到见到Eames都表现得很镇定. 而go deeper所冒的风险是
惊人的, 每一层都需要一个人来对付全副武装的projection, 而这一个人不止是保证自
己不死, 还要保护一队没有行动能力的sleepers, 同时sync kick, 这风险简直是惊人
的...换你你干不干...
当然你的解释也很有道理. 我本来就不觉得这种细节会影响到理解电影.
【在 k*****e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 还可以这么解释 : 如果一群人把你绑架了,突然莫名其妙就放了,你肯定还会紧张好几天,对吧。 : 但是如果这个绑架的阴谋被你识破,还将计就计地反打入敌人内部, : 因此解决了一个从小就困扰着自己的情感问题。这样恢复自由以后, : 更多的是如释重负的轻松,而不是紧张。
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