l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 1 【 以下文字转载自 USANews 讨论区 】
发信人: lczlcz (lcz), 信区: USANews
标 题: Kyle Derangement Syndrome
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Jan 21 19:19:44 2015, 美东)
The Navy SEAL’s lickspittle critics sink to new lows with their bad faith,
vitriol, and outright deception.
By Ian Tuttle
With the release of Clint Eastwood’s Chris Kyle biopic American Sniper,
based on the life of America’s deadliest marksman, the Left has been eager
to take potshots at the late Navy officer and Iraq veteran. By deceptively
quoting Kyle’s 2012 autobiography (also entitled “American Sniper”), they
have gained traction for questionable interpretations and outright lies.
Here are the three most egregious falsehoods, and the truth his critics have
willfully ignored.
Chris Kyle, Racist
In his memoir, Kyle writes, “I hated the damn savages” and “I could give
a flying f*** about the Iraqis.” According to GQ culture writer Lindy West,
writing in the Guardian, that is proof that Kyle at a “bare minimum was a
racist who took pleasure in dehumanizing and killing brown people.”
Unsurpisingly, West — who admits in her piece that she has not read Kyle’s
book — has torn Kyle’s quotes out of context. “I hated the damn savages
I’d been fighting,” he wrote (my emphasis). “I always will. They’ve
taken so much from me.”
The use of the word “savages,” which has occasioned so much antipathy,
requires context, too. “Savage, despicable evil. That’s what we were
fighting in Iraq,” Kyle writes in the book’s prologue. “There really was
no other way to describe what we encountered there.” The word “savage”
appears seven times in Kyle’s book. “Brown” appears five times — to
describe Kyle’s clothing, a cloud, and buildings.
Kyle’s comment that he “could give a flying f*** about” the Iraqis is not
straightforward, either. It comes in the context of discussing why Kyle
fought at all: “I didn’t risk my life to bring democracy to Iraq. I risked
my life for my buddies, to protect my friends and fellow countrymen. I went
to war for my country, not Iraq. My country sent me out there so that
bullsh*t wouldn’t make its way back to our shores. I never once fought for
the Iraqis. I could give a flying f*** about them.” Critics can debate
whether Kyle should have taken a liking to the locals, but his apathy toward
Iraqis clearly has nothing to do with race.
Chris Kyle, Liar
This is a more complicated question. Kyle claimed that he killed two would-
be robbers at a Texas gas station, that he picked off looters from the top
of the Superdome in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, and — famously — that
he punched Jesse Ventura unconscious in a Texas bar after the former
Minnesota governor made disparaging comments about American soldiers. The
last claim resulted in a defamation suit that Ventura won against the Kyle
estate in 2014. The sniper did have a penchant for tall tales.
“Chris Kyle, Author of American Sniper, Was a War Hero. He Was Also a Liar,
” wrote Mark Joseph Stern at Slate. In a review for that same outlet, Amy
Nicholson condemns the American Sniper movie for “glossing over” Kyle’s
lies; it is, she writes, “one of the most mendacious movies of 2014.”
The relevant point, though, is that there is no evidence that Kyle ever
deceived when it came to his service record. His record kill count — 160 —
is confirmed by the Pentagon, and he has been defended by former colleagues
, for heroics both on the battlefield and off. On the most important matters
, Kyle seems to have told the truth.
Chris Kyle, Serial Killer/Mass Murderer
Max Blumenthal, of the left-wing blog Alternet, has been the great
propagandist of this stunning bit of moral revisionism. Kyle — an “
occupier” who “mow[ed] down faceless Iraqis” — was “the perfect
recruiter for ISIS,” tweeted Blumenthal, and also likened him to “John Lee
Malvo, another mass-murdering sniper.”
Blumenthal, freelance journalist Rania Khalek, and others have taken to
labeling Kyle “#AmericanPsycho” on Twitter, alluding to the fictional
serial killer who is the subject of Bret Easton Ellis’s novel of the same
name.
In The New Republic, Dennis Jett contends that Kyle was clearly deranged: “
His only regret is that he didn’t kill more. He laments that there were
rules of engagement, or ROE, which he describes as being drafted by lawyers
to protect generals from politicians. He argues instead for letting warriors
loose to fight wars without their hands tied behind their backs. At another
point, he boasts that the unofficial ROE were pretty simple: ‘If you see
anyone from about sixteen to sixty-five and they’re male, shoot ’em. Kill
every male you see.’”
And The Wrap quotes one member of the American Film Academy as saying, “He
[Kyle] seems like he may be a sociopath.”
The way Kyle’s words have been distorted by these most vitriolic of his
critics is astonishing. One can dwell on the details: As John Nolte points
out at Breitbart, for instance, the apparently brutal ROEs Kyle mentions
applied only to a very specific battlefield context; American soldiers were
not simply gunning down Iraqi males on sight. But Kyle discussed at length
in his own autobiography how careful he was about pulling the trigger:
You cannot be afraid to take your shot. When you see someone with an IED
or a rifle maneuvering toward your men, you have clear reason to fire. (The
fact that an Iraqi had a gun would not necessarily mean he could be shot.)
The ROEs were specific, and in most cases the danger was obvious.
But there were times when it wasn’t exactly clear, when a person almost
surely was an insurgent, probably was doing evil, but there was still some
doubt because of the circumstances or the surroundings — the way he moved,
for example, wasn’t toward an area where troops were. A lot of times a guy
seemed to be acting macho for friends, completely unaware that I was
watching him, or that there were American troops nearby.
Those shots I didn’t take.
You couldn’t — you had to worry about your own ass. Make an
unjustified shot and you could be charged with murder.
I often would sit there and think, “I know this motherfucker is bad; I
saw him doing such and such down the street the other day, but here he’s
not doing anything, and if I shoot him, I won’t be able to justify it for
the lawyers. I’ll fry.” Like I said, there is paperwork for everything.
Every confirmed kill had documentation, supporting evidence, and a witness.
So I wouldn’t shoot.
Kyle understood the difference between murder and justifiable wartime
killing. But his critics apparently can’t.
As for his sociopathy, which critics such as Jett base on his “boastfulness
” about killing, here is Kyle “boasting”:
People ask me all the time, “How many people have you killed?” My
standard response is, “Does the answer make me less, or more, of a man?”
The number is not important to me. I only wish I had killed more. Not
for bragging rights, but because I believe the world is a better place
without savages out there taking American lives. Everyone I shot in Iraq was
trying to harm Americans or Iraqis loyal to the new government.
I had a job to do as a SEAL. I killed the enemy — an enemy I saw day in
and day out plotting to kill my fellow Americans.
In 2013, in an interview on Fox News, Kyle said, “The ideal thing would be
if I knew the number of lives I saved.”
Kyle was not a serial-killing sociopath. It’s his critics who seem to be
deranged.
— Ian Tuttle is a William F. Buckley Jr. fellow at National Review. | b******n
发帖数: 4559 | 2 这几天看了些报道，没觉得有什么硬伤。他受PTSD困扰，脑子的确不太清醒。但在家里
是好儿子好丈夫好父亲，在战场上是好士兵好战友，爱护同袍，忠诚勇敢。影片对于有
争议的信息都没有展现，或者做了淡化和模糊的处理。而所表现的部分确实是当真实准
确的，也得到了遗孀的大力认可。他之前的人生追求是God，Country，Family；后来也
认识到要转变为God，Family，Country。但是却很困难，因为他无法忘记或者忽略那些
仍旧在战场上却因为他没有在而无法得到保护的战友同袍。我觉得这是很真实的感情。
他也说过不会因为对方举着可兰经就射杀，而只是举着炸弹威胁到他战友生命安全的时
候。
不要把过多政治宗教因素扯进来，只当作一个个性的人来看的话，我觉得塑造了很真实
生动鲜活立体的一个人物。
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 USANews 讨论区 】
: 发信人: lczlcz (lcz), 信区: USANews
: 标 题: Kyle Derangement Syndrome
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Jan 21 19:19:44 2015, 美东)
: The Navy SEAL’s lickspittle critics sink to new lows with their bad faith,
: vitriol, and outright deception.
: By Ian Tuttle
: With the release of Clint Eastwood’s Chris Kyle biopic American Sniper,
: based on the life of America’s deadliest marksman, the Left has been eager
: to take potshots at the late Navy officer and Iraq veteran. By deceptively
| m*******p
发帖数: 1978 | 3 lczlcz是著名的红脖子wannabe, racist, obama hater. 不用看就知道他撅起屁股拉什
么屎。 | b******n
发帖数: 4559 | 4 这片子里我觉得不太以为然的地方是SEAL特训的时候，那强度那项目看着还不如士兵突
击呢。一排人坐水里等着海浪数次拍上来，头露在水面上的，身体接受冲刷，没太觉到
有什么恐怖。又不是水刑。没看懂用意，那水很冷吗？前段时间「奔跑吧兄弟」做游戏
那一帮明星不还在水里翻腾呢是不是？ | T**********e
发帖数: 29576 | 5
靠，碰到打仗不上红脖还指望downtown老黑？你去紧密追随巴马leading from behind
吧。
【在 m*******p 的大作中提到】
: lczlcz是著名的红脖子wannabe, racist, obama hater. 不用看就知道他撅起屁股拉什
: 么屎。
| z*****a
发帖数: 9790 | 6 obama就是最大的racist，反obama就是反种族主义
【在 m*******p 的大作中提到】
: lczlcz是著名的红脖子wannabe, racist, obama hater. 不用看就知道他撅起屁股拉什
: 么屎。
| l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 7 所以华人不团结阿, 竟然有华人支持包括巴马之流的老黑.只能说这种华人脑子坏了,活
该被老黑操.
behind
【在 T**********e 的大作中提到】
:
: 靠，碰到打仗不上红脖还指望downtown老黑？你去紧密追随巴马leading from behind
: 吧。
| c*****r
发帖数: 2866 | 8 每天十几个小时连续几个星期试试。老中的体质，绝大部分人过不了这一关。
【在 b******n 的大作中提到】
: 这片子里我觉得不太以为然的地方是SEAL特训的时候，那强度那项目看着还不如士兵突
: 击呢。一排人坐水里等着海浪数次拍上来，头露在水面上的，身体接受冲刷，没太觉到
: 有什么恐怖。又不是水刑。没看懂用意，那水很冷吗？前段时间「奔跑吧兄弟」做游戏
: 那一帮明星不还在水里翻腾呢是不是？
| c*****r
发帖数: 2866 | 9 我最不理解的是Chris Kyle把个PTSD病人带到shooting range干什么，看来四肢不能太
发达，否则会大脑糊涂。 | r***e
发帖数: 10135 | 10 ..大哥你自己做海滩上让海水冲几个小时试试
【在 b******n 的大作中提到】
: 这片子里我觉得不太以为然的地方是SEAL特训的时候，那强度那项目看着还不如士兵突
: 击呢。一排人坐水里等着海浪数次拍上来，头露在水面上的，身体接受冲刷，没太觉到
: 有什么恐怖。又不是水刑。没看懂用意，那水很冷吗？前段时间「奔跑吧兄弟」做游戏
: 那一帮明星不还在水里翻腾呢是不是？
| | | T**********e
发帖数: 29576 | 11
据说shooting是治疗ptsd常用方法，让兵又回到原来熟悉的工作环境，心情舒畅。
【在 c*****r 的大作中提到】
: 我最不理解的是Chris Kyle把个PTSD病人带到shooting range干什么，看来四肢不能太
: 发达，否则会大脑糊涂。
| z*****a
发帖数: 9790 | 12 还每天十几个小时呢，海水稍微冷一点，大部分老中根本都下不去
【在 c*****r 的大作中提到】
: 每天十几个小时连续几个星期试试。老中的体质，绝大部分人过不了这一关。
| b******n
发帖数: 4559 | 13 影片交代的不清楚，也没有表现出导演的意图。如果大夏天在加州海水里泡着，小孩子
一玩儿也好几个小时呢。
是说海浪冲击大吗？
还是憋气窒息？
还是眩晕？
还是冷？
镜头里没看出难度和强度。
【在 r***e 的大作中提到】
: ..大哥你自己做海滩上让海水冲几个小时试试
| l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 14 恩, 当时他想帮助那个人而已.
【在 T**********e 的大作中提到】
:
: 据说shooting是治疗ptsd常用方法，让兵又回到原来熟悉的工作环境，心情舒畅。
| T**********e
发帖数: 29576 | 15
不只，据说比较普遍。
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: 恩, 当时他想帮助那个人而已.
| r*********e
发帖数: 7733 | 16 熬吧这6年，种族矛盾更大了。丫不站在公正立场，一味偏袒黑人。Zimmerman事件公然
干涉司法公正，认tarvor Martin为干儿子。Michale brown事件也是，挑起种族矛盾。
丫就是一黑人酋长。居然还有脑残小黄左要跪舔的。
【在 m*******p 的大作中提到】
: lczlcz是著名的红脖子wannabe, racist, obama hater. 不用看就知道他撅起屁股拉什
: 么屎。
| T**********e
发帖数: 29576 | 17
黑人本来就是部落酋长制度被直接beam到民主社会，相比之下华人的皇上要先进得多。
【在 r*********e 的大作中提到】
: 熬吧这6年，种族矛盾更大了。丫不站在公正立场，一味偏袒黑人。Zimmerman事件公然
: 干涉司法公正，认tarvor Martin为干儿子。Michale brown事件也是，挑起种族矛盾。
: 丫就是一黑人酋长。居然还有脑残小黄左要跪舔的。
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