b**j 发帖数: 20742 | 1 WR Adrian Arrington was drinking and driving and apparently beat his
girlfriend the night before UM played Penn State. 9/11 call from the girl is
made public. Carr lets his WR play, presumably because the Blue are VERY
thin at WR. During the week of Iowa, Carr decides that his player will stay
on the team because he doesn’t necessarily believe the story. Against Iowa,
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n*******1 发帖数: 2254 | 2 这个carr肯定不是鼠狼的教练,鼠狼这种高标准,严要求的球队怎么可能做这种事情,
要我是鼠狼教练,立马把这个队员踢出球队+永远不准进入鼠狼校园。
is
stay
Iowa,
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】 : WR Adrian Arrington was drinking and driving and apparently beat his : girlfriend the night before UM played Penn State. 9/11 call from the girl is : made public. Carr lets his WR play, presumably because the Blue are VERY : thin at WR. During the week of Iowa, Carr decides that his player will stay : on the team because he doesn’t necessarily believe the story. Against Iowa, : the Blue are still thin at WR, and Arrington plays anyway.
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b*****a 发帖数: 14583 | 3 先假设一下如果你是 JT 或者 Gordon Gee 吧
【在 n*******1 的大作中提到】 : 这个carr肯定不是鼠狼的教练,鼠狼这种高标准,严要求的球队怎么可能做这种事情, : 要我是鼠狼教练,立马把这个队员踢出球队+永远不准进入鼠狼校园。 : : is : stay : Iowa,
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b**j 发帖数: 20742 | 4 不用假设。肯定是和carr一样处理的。当然,如果这个arrington是个bench warmer,
那就祭出ncaa大典踢出去,给明年多留个scholarship spot
【在 b*****a 的大作中提到】 : 先假设一下如果你是 JT 或者 Gordon Gee 吧
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G********p 发帖数: 3504 | 5 Everybody is as dirty as you. Now, you must be happy and peace. |
b**j 发帖数: 20742 | 6 我从来就这么认为的。找出来的目的,主要是有人不停的自称
自己的program是多么clean
【在 G********p 的大作中提到】 : Everybody is as dirty as you. Now, you must be happy and peace.
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b*****a 发帖数: 14583 | 7 JT 最恶劣的地方在于他是个 self-claimed saint
还出书宣扬他的人生哲学
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】 : 我从来就这么认为的。找出来的目的,主要是有人不停的自称 : 自己的program是多么clean
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b**j 发帖数: 20742 | 8 这个我觉得他自己不认为做错了什么。violation of ncaa rules, yes, no question
about it - ethically, i don't think he believes it's wrong to protect his pl
ayers. 我也是这么认为
的。
【在 b*****a 的大作中提到】 : JT 最恶劣的地方在于他是个 self-claimed saint : 还出书宣扬他的人生哲学
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g*********d 发帖数: 8125 | 9 damn, you scare me, I thought we have a player selling golden pants....
end up drinking couple of bottle of beer...
is
stay
Iowa,
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】 : WR Adrian Arrington was drinking and driving and apparently beat his : girlfriend the night before UM played Penn State. 9/11 call from the girl is : made public. Carr lets his WR play, presumably because the Blue are VERY : thin at WR. During the week of Iowa, Carr decides that his player will stay : on the team because he doesn’t necessarily believe the story. Against Iowa, : the Blue are still thin at WR, and Arrington plays anyway.
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b**j 发帖数: 20742 | 10 你们又没有gold pants, 没得卖啊。不知道你们赢了ohio state发什么纪念品?不过就
算有,也没supply啊,怎么卖。呵呵
DUI不是drinking 2瓶啤酒,打女友都911也被你华丽的忽视了。这个ignorance比JT
也只高不低啊
【在 g*********d 的大作中提到】 : damn, you scare me, I thought we have a player selling golden pants.... : end up drinking couple of bottle of beer... : : is : stay : Iowa,
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G********p 发帖数: 3504 | 11 Is there anybody from that state who is feeling bad about this whole
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b*****a 发帖数: 14583 | 12 Well, just say "I didn't do anything wrong" then.
question
his pl
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】 : 这个我觉得他自己不认为做错了什么。violation of ncaa rules, yes, no question : about it - ethically, i don't think he believes it's wrong to protect his pl : ayers. 我也是这么认为 : 的。
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b**j 发帖数: 20742 | 13 he did do something wrong - he violated the ncaa rules.
【在 b*****a 的大作中提到】 : Well, just say "I didn't do anything wrong" then. : : question : his pl
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n*******1 发帖数: 2254 | 14 that's at least underage drinking and dui...
【在 g*********d 的大作中提到】 : damn, you scare me, I thought we have a player selling golden pants.... : end up drinking couple of bottle of beer... : : is : stay : Iowa,
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b**j 发帖数: 20742 | 15 so when a question is raised about michigan, what are michigan's fans' respo
nse?
"what about ohio state?"
so how are you guys any different from us
【在 G********p 的大作中提到】 : Is there anybody from that state who is feeling bad about this whole : situation? : You guys are so special!
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b*****a 发帖数: 14583 | 16 “Morally and ethically, I didn't do anything wrong."
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】 : he did do something wrong - he violated the ncaa rules.
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b**j 发帖数: 20742 | 17 i personally agree with that. i don't think it's anything wrong other than
it being a violation of ncaa rules.
【在 b*****a 的大作中提到】 : “Morally and ethically, I didn't do anything wrong."
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b*****a 发帖数: 14583 | 18 Selling memorabilia for tattoos is ok then?
than
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】 : i personally agree with that. i don't think it's anything wrong other than : it being a violation of ncaa rules.
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b**j 发帖数: 20742 | 19 of course it's ok. they OWN the memorabilia! it's not like they stole these
from somewhere
【在 b*****a 的大作中提到】 : Selling memorabilia for tattoos is ok then? : : than
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c****K 发帖数: 997 | 20 ncaa不这样认为, 而且在现实中情况远远比这个复杂(还是回归到ncaa的mission).
these
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】 : of course it's ok. they OWN the memorabilia! it's not like they stole these : from somewhere
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b*****a 发帖数: 14583 | 21 Rationally, yes. But you gotta admit it hurts the feelings of the Buckeye
Nation. Not that it has anything to do with me.
these
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】 : of course it's ok. they OWN the memorabilia! it's not like they stole these : from somewhere
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b**j 发帖数: 20742 | 22 这个我知道。ncaa不这么认为,所以违反了ncaa规定。我个人不认为有什么大不了的。
违反规定要被罚,这也是应该的。谁让你被逮住了
【在 c****K 的大作中提到】 : ncaa不这样认为, 而且在现实中情况远远比这个复杂(还是回归到ncaa的mission). : : these
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b**j 发帖数: 20742 | 23 就算这个不违反ncaa规定也很多人不满。这么“神圣”的东西怎么能卖?我也有点不满
,怎么卖那么点钱,还不如卖给我呢。呵呵
但是人人有不同的priority, $500 means little to us, but a lot to kids from po
or backgrounds.
【在 b*****a 的大作中提到】 : Rationally, yes. But you gotta admit it hurts the feelings of the Buckeye : Nation. Not that it has anything to do with me. : : these
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c****K 发帖数: 997 | 24 其实处罚也是在ncaa之内, 所以挺公平合理的. 如果没有钱(osu football million
dollars, nfl)参合进来, 这些处罚真是小事一幢.
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】 : 这个我知道。ncaa不这么认为,所以违反了ncaa规定。我个人不认为有什么大不了的。 : 违反规定要被罚,这也是应该的。谁让你被逮住了
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g*********d 发帖数: 8125 | 25 with Fab 5 story, Michigan self sanction with ban NCAA game for 2 years. The
whole team dismissed.
We don't talk, we act.
With Ohio State player constantly violate rules and coach LIE to Media. Its
AD stand behind the coach for several month and the punishment is 5 game
suspension. Coach? 2 game suspension.
Dear Mr.Brmj See some difference here?
That is our response!
Does that answer your question?
respo
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】 : so when a question is raised about michigan, what are michigan's fans' respo : nse? : "what about ohio state?" : so how are you guys any different from us
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b**j 发帖数: 20742 | 26 michigan banned itself in basketball for 2 years. big deal. who cares about
michigan bb? 我们bb有问题一样也suspend了啊,还fire了coach
what about a response to what lloyd carr did? or didn't do? 为什么一直回避
问题呢?问carr, 拿个fab 5篮球出来回答? lol
The
Its
【在 g*********d 的大作中提到】 : with Fab 5 story, Michigan self sanction with ban NCAA game for 2 years. The : whole team dismissed. : We don't talk, we act. : With Ohio State player constantly violate rules and coach LIE to Media. Its : AD stand behind the coach for several month and the punishment is 5 game : suspension. Coach? 2 game suspension. : Dear Mr.Brmj See some difference here? : That is our response! : Does that answer your question? :
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o****3 发帖数: 5100 | 27 Otherwise, coach can ask booster to buy recruits.
If you are a booster, 500 bucks means little to you, then you can just buy a
t-shirt that pyror wore and throw them away. But pryor will enroll in osu
with that in his mind.
These rules are definitely right.
po
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】 : 就算这个不违反ncaa规定也很多人不满。这么“神圣”的东西怎么能卖?我也有点不满 : ,怎么卖那么点钱,还不如卖给我呢。呵呵 : 但是人人有不同的priority, $500 means little to us, but a lot to kids from po : or backgrounds.
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b**j 发帖数: 20742 | 28 i understand that's why the rules are in place. but to deny the players
the opportunity to better their living even if they exchanged stuff
for less than market value, is not too good. it's hard to determine
market value but ncaa has to find a better way to manage this
a
【在 o****3 的大作中提到】 : Otherwise, coach can ask booster to buy recruits. : If you are a booster, 500 bucks means little to you, then you can just buy a : t-shirt that pyror wore and throw them away. But pryor will enroll in osu : with that in his mind. : These rules are definitely right. : : po
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b*****a 发帖数: 14583 | 29 how is getting tattoos "better their living"?
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】 : i understand that's why the rules are in place. but to deny the players : the opportunity to better their living even if they exchanged stuff : for less than market value, is not too good. it's hard to determine : market value but ncaa has to find a better way to manage this : : a
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g*********d 发帖数: 8125 | 30 Were Carr did that intentionally, that was indeed very very wrong!
and As fan I hope my team win clean games.
Here, your turn.
about
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】 : michigan banned itself in basketball for 2 years. big deal. who cares about : michigan bb? 我们bb有问题一样也suspend了啊,还fire了coach : what about a response to what lloyd carr did? or didn't do? 为什么一直回避 : 问题呢?问carr, 拿个fab 5篮球出来回答? lol : : The : Its
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b**j 发帖数: 20742 | 31 my preference:
1. win games cleanly
2. win games dirtily
3. lose games cleanly
4. lose games dirtily
【在 g*********d 的大作中提到】 : Were Carr did that intentionally, that was indeed very very wrong! : and As fan I hope my team win clean games. : Here, your turn. : : about
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G********p 发帖数: 3504 | 32 If it's ok, why lie in the first place?
Now what, try to make it OK?
What is the philosophy in your school?
I guess: 1. lie, 2. lie, and 3. lie.
If does work, point finger to others. And try to make it legal if
possible.
these
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】 : of course it's ok. they OWN the memorabilia! it's not like they stole these : from somewhere
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o****3 发帖数: 5100 | 33 personally, I think it is good enough to provide free education, boarding
etc.
That is a lot of money to a lot of americans too.
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】 : i understand that's why the rules are in place. but to deny the players : the opportunity to better their living even if they exchanged stuff : for less than market value, is not too good. it's hard to determine : market value but ncaa has to find a better way to manage this : : a
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b*****a 发帖数: 14583 | 34 Surely you meant "1. win games dirtily without being found out"...
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】 : my preference: : 1. win games cleanly : 2. win games dirtily : 3. lose games cleanly : 4. lose games dirtily
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b**j 发帖数: 20742 | 35 补充一下,如果教练能做到1, 那是神仙,学校要以他命名。
要是能做到2,那也是HOF, 绝对的hero (to us).
要是只能做到3,say good bye politely.
如果4,赶快滚蛋,like RR
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】 : my preference: : 1. win games cleanly : 2. win games dirtily : 3. lose games cleanly : 4. lose games dirtily
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l**k 发帖数: 45267 | 36 这就扩大到整个学校了?
看来blue球迷还真是被爆出了心理阴影,仇恨相当之深啊
【在 G********p 的大作中提到】 : If it's ok, why lie in the first place? : Now what, try to make it OK? : What is the philosophy in your school? : I guess: 1. lie, 2. lie, and 3. lie. : If does work, point finger to others. And try to make it legal if : possible. : : these
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g*********d 发帖数: 8125 | 37 There you go.
win > lose == win with any cost.
you are just another fan i listed there. nothing surprise at all.
and consider you are the most classic fan from OSU on this board, we can now
safely say OSU fan on this board are not ashamed of the coach lying and
cheating.
bring the hammer on NCAA.
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】 : my preference: : 1. win games cleanly : 2. win games dirtily : 3. lose games cleanly : 4. lose games dirtily
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b**j 发帖数: 20742 | 38 let me see all you michigan fans denounce carr first before pointing the
finger at ohio state
now
【在 g*********d 的大作中提到】 : There you go. : win > lose == win with any cost. : you are just another fan i listed there. nothing surprise at all. : and consider you are the most classic fan from OSU on this board, we can now : safely say OSU fan on this board are not ashamed of the coach lying and : cheating. : bring the hammer on NCAA.
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o****3 发帖数: 5100 | 39 I was kind of suprised to see breeze's response too.
now
【在 g*********d 的大作中提到】 : There you go. : win > lose == win with any cost. : you are just another fan i listed there. nothing surprise at all. : and consider you are the most classic fan from OSU on this board, we can now : safely say OSU fan on this board are not ashamed of the coach lying and : cheating. : bring the hammer on NCAA.
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b*****a 发帖数: 14583 | 40 事实上像他那样 cynical 的人在哪个学校都是少数
now
【在 g*********d 的大作中提到】 : There you go. : win > lose == win with any cost. : you are just another fan i listed there. nothing surprise at all. : and consider you are the most classic fan from OSU on this board, we can now : safely say OSU fan on this board are not ashamed of the coach lying and : cheating. : bring the hammer on NCAA.
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b**j 发帖数: 20742 | 41 as a father, would you lie to protect your kid? i would.
that's what i mean, even if i have to do something wrong,
but for the benefit or my family, i'd do it.
i have lied countless times in my life, i lost count. really.
maybe you guys here haven't.
【在 o****3 的大作中提到】 : I was kind of suprised to see breeze's response too. : : now
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g*********d 发帖数: 8125 | 42 we'd like to see A Ohio State fan denounce JT here.
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】 : let me see all you michigan fans denounce carr first before pointing the : finger at ohio state : : now
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b**j 发帖数: 20742 | 43 why, i don't think what he did is wrong. why should we? you think what JT di
d was wrong - then what carr did is also wrong. if you don't denounce carr y
ou can't denounce JT.
i don't denounce carr because i don't denounce JT
【在 g*********d 的大作中提到】 : we'd like to see A Ohio State fan denounce JT here.
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b*****a 发帖数: 14583 | 44 There are white lies and then there are "lie" lies.
Apparently most people think what JT told are "lie" lies.
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】 : as a father, would you lie to protect your kid? i would. : that's what i mean, even if i have to do something wrong, : but for the benefit or my family, i'd do it. : i have lied countless times in my life, i lost count. really. : maybe you guys here haven't.
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b**j 发帖数: 20742 | 45 in most cases if you have to lie to protect someone it's
"lie" lies.
【在 b*****a 的大作中提到】 : There are white lies and then there are "lie" lies. : Apparently most people think what JT told are "lie" lies.
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g*********d 发帖数: 8125 | 46 you, brmj,
think JT lie in front of the media is the right thing to do?
and you think Lie for the kid's misconduct is the right thing to do?
di
y
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】 : why, i don't think what he did is wrong. why should we? you think what JT di : d was wrong - then what carr did is also wrong. if you don't denounce carr y : ou can't denounce JT. : i don't denounce carr because i don't denounce JT
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o****3 发帖数: 5100 | 47 Can you lie to protect your kid? I don't see that happening but that is up
for debate.
Do you really think Tressel was to protect his players or to save his job?
If he were still young, he would have bolted for other job. As a father, you
would never leave your kid for better kid.
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】 : as a father, would you lie to protect your kid? i would. : that's what i mean, even if i have to do something wrong, : but for the benefit or my family, i'd do it. : i have lied countless times in my life, i lost count. really. : maybe you guys here haven't.
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b*****a 发帖数: 14583 | 48 Protect whom from what?
I think it's mostly protecting his winning percentage.
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】 : in most cases if you have to lie to protect someone it's : "lie" lies.
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b**j 发帖数: 20742 | 49 it's not the right thing to do, but it's necessary.
考试抄袭了,老师问,你有没有作弊?你说什么?我当然说没有
【在 g*********d 的大作中提到】 : you, brmj, : think JT lie in front of the media is the right thing to do? : and you think Lie for the kid's misconduct is the right thing to do? : : di : y
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b*****a 发帖数: 14583 | 50 嘿嘿
类比很贴切
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】 : it's not the right thing to do, but it's necessary. : 考试抄袭了,老师问,你有没有作弊?你说什么?我当然说没有
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g*********d 发帖数: 8125 | 51 and you do that for your kid...
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】 : it's not the right thing to do, but it's necessary. : 考试抄袭了,老师问,你有没有作弊?你说什么?我当然说没有
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b**j 发帖数: 20742 | 52 老师问,你是不是替你女儿做的作业?我说,没有!
【在 g*********d 的大作中提到】 : and you do that for your kid...
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g*********d 发帖数: 8125 | 53 and you actually did that!???
and you are ok with that!???
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】 : 老师问,你是不是替你女儿做的作业?我说,没有!
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b**j 发帖数: 20742 | 54 女儿还没开始做作业。不过以前替朋友做过作业是真的。
【在 g*********d 的大作中提到】 : and you actually did that!??? : and you are ok with that!???
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b*****a 发帖数: 14583 | 55 holy crap!
seriously, 我觉得你奸商这个行当干的时间长了,道德感在下降
there, i said it
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】 : 老师问,你是不是替你女儿做的作业?我说,没有!
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b**j 发帖数: 20742 | 56 and why wouldn't i be ok with that? 我觉得应试教育没啥
了不起的,就像我觉得ncaa rule is silly. 但是rule is rule,
作弊是不对的,被抓住处罚也认赌服输。
【在 g*********d 的大作中提到】 : and you actually did that!??? : and you are ok with that!???
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g*********d 发帖数: 8125 | 57 might never be high.
There, I just said that.
【在 b*****a 的大作中提到】 : holy crap! : seriously, 我觉得你奸商这个行当干的时间长了,道德感在下降 : there, i said it
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b**j 发帖数: 20742 | 58 是我年纪大了,觉得站在道德制高点的人,似乎最后都被发现自己
也有不道德的地方。就像美国的民主,以前觉得很好,现在觉的还不
如共产党。
【在 b*****a 的大作中提到】 : holy crap! : seriously, 我觉得你奸商这个行当干的时间长了,道德感在下降 : there, i said it
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b*****a 发帖数: 14583 | 59 应试教育没啥了不起的,所以正确的态度是不做作业无所谓
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】 : and why wouldn't i be ok with that? 我觉得应试教育没啥 : 了不起的,就像我觉得ncaa rule is silly. 但是rule is rule, : 作弊是不对的,被抓住处罚也认赌服输。
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b**j 发帖数: 20742 | 60 不做不能毕业啊。总得混一个。
【在 b*****a 的大作中提到】 : 应试教育没啥了不起的,所以正确的态度是不做作业无所谓
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b*****a 发帖数: 14583 | 61 不站在道德制高点不等于没有 right and wrong
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】 : 是我年纪大了,觉得站在道德制高点的人,似乎最后都被发现自己 : 也有不道德的地方。就像美国的民主,以前觉得很好,现在觉的还不 : 如共产党。
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b**j 发帖数: 20742 | 62 很多事情已经没有简单的right or wrong了。
【在 b*****a 的大作中提到】 : 不站在道德制高点不等于没有 right and wrong
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g*********d 发帖数: 8125 | 63 that is not what redneck need to know
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】 : 很多事情已经没有简单的right or wrong了。
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o****3 发帖数: 5100 | 64 This is sth that I have been tortured with on how to educate kids.
I was taught to be honest and I have been or at least have tried my best to
be honest.
But I know the higher level the people are, the more lies they tell.
Especially in China, you can'b successful at all being an honest person.
Anyway, back to tressel, he is definitely a bad role model.
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】 : and why wouldn't i be ok with that? 我觉得应试教育没啥 : 了不起的,就像我觉得ncaa rule is silly. 但是rule is rule, : 作弊是不对的,被抓住处罚也认赌服输。
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b**j 发帖数: 20742 | 65 前两天看个电影,忘记什么电影了,有个男的说,“我没啥优点”。女的说,“你老实
”。男的说,“老实应该是缺点吧”??
小孩上学,我告诉她,if anyone pushes you, you have to push back. don't just
cry to the teacher. 打人也比被人打强。
to
【在 o****3 的大作中提到】 : This is sth that I have been tortured with on how to educate kids. : I was taught to be honest and I have been or at least have tried my best to : be honest. : But I know the higher level the people are, the more lies they tell. : Especially in China, you can'b successful at all being an honest person. : Anyway, back to tressel, he is definitely a bad role model.
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p**m 发帖数: 11571 | 66 非诚勿扰?
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】 : 前两天看个电影,忘记什么电影了,有个男的说,“我没啥优点”。女的说,“你老实 : ”。男的说,“老实应该是缺点吧”?? : 小孩上学,我告诉她,if anyone pushes you, you have to push back. don't just : cry to the teacher. 打人也比被人打强。 : : to
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b**j 发帖数: 20742 | 67 不是。。
【在 p**m 的大作中提到】 : 非诚勿扰?
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o****3 发帖数: 5100 | 68 Honesty is not necessarly the same as pushover.
just
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】 : 前两天看个电影,忘记什么电影了,有个男的说,“我没啥优点”。女的说,“你老实 : ”。男的说,“老实应该是缺点吧”?? : 小孩上学,我告诉她,if anyone pushes you, you have to push back. don't just : cry to the teacher. 打人也比被人打强。 : : to
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b*****a 发帖数: 14583 | 69 说明你非常 ambitious, 还想当 elite
我当一个小康的中产小资觉得很满足,一点都不想当政治家、CEO这些出人头地的角色
,所以不拿这种问
题折磨自己,独善其身可也
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【在 o****3 的大作中提到】 : This is sth that I have been tortured with on how to educate kids. : I was taught to be honest and I have been or at least have tried my best to : be honest. : But I know the higher level the people are, the more lies they tell. : Especially in China, you can'b successful at all being an honest person. : Anyway, back to tressel, he is definitely a bad role model.
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b**j 发帖数: 20742 | 70 永远不说假话,做“坏事”的,IMHO, will be a pushover in society. Well obviou
sly the michigan fans proved me wrong with their own pristine characters
【在 o****3 的大作中提到】 : Honesty is not necessarly the same as pushover. : : just
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o****3 发帖数: 5100 | 71 Even for 小康, it is not easy to be 独善其身. There are always people who
are jealous of you, who want to bully you, or who just want to see you fail.
It is not easy to protect yourself.
【在 b*****a 的大作中提到】 : 说明你非常 ambitious, 还想当 elite : 我当一个小康的中产小资觉得很满足,一点都不想当政治家、CEO这些出人头地的角色 : ,所以不拿这种问 : 题折磨自己,独善其身可也 : : to
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b*****a 发帖数: 14583 | 72 No, it's not easy at all.
But it's relatively easier in US than in China, that's for sure.
fail.
【在 o****3 的大作中提到】 : Even for 小康, it is not easy to be 独善其身. There are always people who : are jealous of you, who want to bully you, or who just want to see you fail. : It is not easy to protect yourself.
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o****3 发帖数: 5100 | 73 Well, if we have this globlization going on for a little bit longer, it will
affect our next generation in the US.
【在 b*****a 的大作中提到】 : No, it's not easy at all. : But it's relatively easier in US than in China, that's for sure. : : fail.
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t***a 发帖数: 7982 | 74 I come here for some soy sauce...
isn't "lie in front of the media" the common thing to do for most ppl who
can speak in front of media?
【在 g*********d 的大作中提到】 : you, brmj, : think JT lie in front of the media is the right thing to do? : and you think Lie for the kid's misconduct is the right thing to do? : : di : y
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a***n 发帖数: 5520 | 75 这个跟ncaa violation是两码事,你被ncaa抓到不仅是个人问题,更是教练,学校和整个
球队的问题,有人想玩火就要承担后果
dui这种事不会取消胜场,不会取消bowl eligibility, 只会对球队有好处,看不出为啥
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b**j 发帖数: 20742 | 76 you missed the point. 说这个不是为JT辩解,而是因为michigan
fans说自己教练学校多清高,找个反例把他们shut up而已
【在 a***n 的大作中提到】 : 这个跟ncaa violation是两码事,你被ncaa抓到不仅是个人问题,更是教练,学校和整个 : 球队的问题,有人想玩火就要承担后果 : dui这种事不会取消胜场,不会取消bowl eligibility, 只会对球队有好处,看不出为啥 : 教练不让打
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a***n 发帖数: 5520 | 77 我也不是针对哪个队,哪个教练,就是说这事儿而已
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】 : you missed the point. 说这个不是为JT辩解,而是因为michigan : fans说自己教练学校多清高,找个反例把他们shut up而已
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c*******s 发帖数: 1555 | 78 I agree with most of what you said, but please don't say especially in China
. It is the same everywhere. Politicians lie all the time.
to
【在 o****3 的大作中提到】 : This is sth that I have been tortured with on how to educate kids. : I was taught to be honest and I have been or at least have tried my best to : be honest. : But I know the higher level the people are, the more lies they tell. : Especially in China, you can'b successful at all being an honest person. : Anyway, back to tressel, he is definitely a bad role model.
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o****3 发帖数: 5100 | 79 for average people, amerians are indeed more honest.
There is nothing to be ashamed of. It is just part of developing.
China
【在 c*******s 的大作中提到】 : I agree with most of what you said, but please don't say especially in China : . It is the same everywhere. Politicians lie all the time. : : to
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b**j 发帖数: 20742 | 80 中国竞争压力更大,没办法。
【在 o****3 的大作中提到】 : for average people, amerians are indeed more honest. : There is nothing to be ashamed of. It is just part of developing. : : China
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c*******s 发帖数: 1555 | 81 I am talking about politicians (people up there).
【在 o****3 的大作中提到】 : for average people, amerians are indeed more honest. : There is nothing to be ashamed of. It is just part of developing. : : China
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b*****a 发帖数: 14583 | 82 surely they're not the best representatives of the society?
【在 c*******s 的大作中提到】 : I am talking about politicians (people up there).
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Y******e 发帖数: 20256 | 83 Arrington很多事情我都已经记不得了,刚才特意google了一下。这里有一些介绍。
http://thosewhostaywillbechampions.blogspot.com/2007/03/adrian-
Adrian Arrington这
件事情,确实他是drink了,也是DUI。但是警察没逮着他,之所以发现是因为他酒后打
人。但是警察没有告他DUI,因为没证据,估计是他自己说出来的。我不知道老车当时
以什么标准来判定让他打球还是禁赛(估计当时连警察都不知道是否要起诉他),说道
因为我们WR thin,一定要他上场也就是猜测,不过也不是没有根据,当时Mario伤了。
如果是Bo,当年,看到球员到了酒吧,肯定禁赛,在这看来,Carr似乎标准是比Bo低了
。不过,起码当时他还没定罪,也不一定要马上禁赛。最后Arrington这事并没有被定罪,
但是Carr在队里还是给他罚了一把。至少他也learn his lesson,最后也没有犯什么事。
不过,OSU的同学硬是把这事推出来,要说老车和JT一样,也有点太搞笑了。 |
b**j 发帖数: 20742 | 84 没被抓现行,就没事。DUI也当没有。911也不算。你们和我们的标准是一样的。我军不
过运气不好,被抓了现行了。
定罪,
事。
【在 Y******e 的大作中提到】 : Arrington很多事情我都已经记不得了,刚才特意google了一下。这里有一些介绍。 : http://thosewhostaywillbechampions.blogspot.com/2007/03/adrian- : Adrian Arrington这 : 件事情,确实他是drink了,也是DUI。但是警察没逮着他,之所以发现是因为他酒后打 : 人。但是警察没有告他DUI,因为没证据,估计是他自己说出来的。我不知道老车当时 : 以什么标准来判定让他打球还是禁赛(估计当时连警察都不知道是否要起诉他),说道 : 因为我们WR thin,一定要他上场也就是猜测,不过也不是没有根据,当时Mario伤了。 : 如果是Bo,当年,看到球员到了酒吧,肯定禁赛,在这看来,Carr似乎标准是比Bo低了 : 。不过,起码当时他还没定罪,也不一定要马上禁赛。最后Arrington这事并没有被定罪, : 但是Carr在队里还是给他罚了一把。至少他也learn his lesson,最后也没有犯什么事。
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Y******e 发帖数: 20256 | 85 要说运气不好,我们练习门被抓,那才叫“运气”不好。就多伸伸腿20分钟,就被办了
。真的要说运气,那是你们运气太好了,搞了这么多年现在才爆发出来,一下就都像火
山一样爆了。我看最后,你们的AD,和篮球教练都得走人。
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】 : 没被抓现行,就没事。DUI也当没有。911也不算。你们和我们的标准是一样的。我军不 : 过运气不好,被抓了现行了。 : : 定罪, : 事。
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b**j 发帖数: 20742 | 86 AD肯定要走人。篮球教练已经走了一个了啊。这个怎么样,有没有猫腻我不知道。
【在 Y******e 的大作中提到】 : 要说运气不好,我们练习门被抓,那才叫“运气”不好。就多伸伸腿20分钟,就被办了 : 。真的要说运气,那是你们运气太好了,搞了这么多年现在才爆发出来,一下就都像火 : 山一样爆了。我看最后,你们的AD,和篮球教练都得走人。
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Y******e 发帖数: 20256 | 87 NCAA要是进驻校园,一般会查recruit violation这个大方向,篮球也会一起查的。 |
b**j 发帖数: 20742 | 88 查当然会查,我的意思是这半天了也没听到篮球的风声,也许没什么问题。毕竟没啥人
care bb, 估计也没太多booster benefit
【在 Y******e 的大作中提到】 : NCAA要是进驻校园,一般会查recruit violation这个大方向,篮球也会一起查的。
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B*****e 发帖数: 9375 | 89 人还是应该说真心话,做良心事罢。
In other words,
这个世道确实很扯淡,
所以你要是躲在一边不说甚么话,不做甚么事,
那也完全可以理解,没甚么丢人,没甚么不道德的。
但是既然开了口,做了事,
道德标准当然就应该高一层。
obviou
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】 : 永远不说假话,做“坏事”的,IMHO, will be a pushover in society. Well obviou : sly the michigan fans proved me wrong with their own pristine characters
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b**j 发帖数: 20742 | 90 我觉得到了big school headcoach level, 搞football, 手下
基本都是黑人穷小孩,完全uphold高道德标准不太现实。能
让他们进步一点,少点trouble就是胜利了。学校赢球赚钱,
自己赚钱,也帮助了些穷人(who otherwise would be drug
dealers, bank robbers, etc), 算是win-win-win. 其中
当然有些不道德的lie, coverup, rule violation, 不要
太过分招摇,别让ncaa下不了台就好。大家都是wink wink.
JT太愚昧,用email被抓住,只好承担后果。这是必然的。如果
没有铁证email, 我觉得肯定过关
【在 B*****e 的大作中提到】 : 人还是应该说真心话,做良心事罢。 : In other words, : 这个世道确实很扯淡, : 所以你要是躲在一边不说甚么话,不做甚么事, : 那也完全可以理解,没甚么丢人,没甚么不道德的。 : 但是既然开了口,做了事, : 道德标准当然就应该高一层。 : : obviou
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b*****a 发帖数: 14583 | 91 校长会不会走人也还难说
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】 : AD肯定要走人。篮球教练已经走了一个了啊。这个怎么样,有没有猫腻我不知道。
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B*****e 发帖数: 9375 | 92 对啊!
怎么能把铁证如山的伊妹儿发出去呢。
做老大的,不管是白道还是黑道,
最厉害的武器就是plausible deniability.
你自己放弃不用了,
那上面下面的人也就没办法保你了。
活该就俩字。
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】 : 我觉得到了big school headcoach level, 搞football, 手下 : 基本都是黑人穷小孩,完全uphold高道德标准不太现实。能 : 让他们进步一点,少点trouble就是胜利了。学校赢球赚钱, : 自己赚钱,也帮助了些穷人(who otherwise would be drug : dealers, bank robbers, etc), 算是win-win-win. 其中 : 当然有些不道德的lie, coverup, rule violation, 不要 : 太过分招摇,别让ncaa下不了台就好。大家都是wink wink. : JT太愚昧,用email被抓住,只好承担后果。这是必然的。如果 : 没有铁证email, 我觉得肯定过关
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b*****a 发帖数: 14583 | 93 最近布拉特的 deniability 就挺不 plausible 的
【在 B*****e 的大作中提到】 : 对啊! : 怎么能把铁证如山的伊妹儿发出去呢。 : 做老大的,不管是白道还是黑道, : 最厉害的武器就是plausible deniability. : 你自己放弃不用了, : 那上面下面的人也就没办法保你了。 : 活该就俩字。
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s****y 发帖数: 958 | 94
Its
Since when Lie to Media is a sin?
【在 g*********d 的大作中提到】 : that is not what redneck need to know
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F****n 发帖数: 3271 | 95 大家都一样,JT的主要问题是蠢,居然还会留EMAIL这种蠢事,JOE PA,CARR等人主要
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s****h 发帖数: 3979 | 96 是那个貌似叫“这里有情况”的烂片?
just
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】 : 前两天看个电影,忘记什么电影了,有个男的说,“我没啥优点”。女的说,“你老实 : ”。男的说,“老实应该是缺点吧”?? : 小孩上学,我告诉她,if anyone pushes you, you have to push back. don't just : cry to the teacher. 打人也比被人打强。 : : to
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b**j 发帖数: 20742 | 97 哈哈。对对对。看了一半就没看了。太丢我们在美华人的面子了。
【在 s****h 的大作中提到】 : 是那个貌似叫“这里有情况”的烂片? : : just
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n***k 发帖数: 2780 | 98 sigh,没想到从这么一个小事(对于我们个人来说)的探讨中,还是能看到一个人的本
质。
在现实生活中,起码我不会和breeze这种自私的人交朋友,也不会让我的孩子和breeze
的孩子交朋友的。
在NCAA版里,大家都是混友,不要太在意啊。
just
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】 : 前两天看个电影,忘记什么电影了,有个男的说,“我没啥优点”。女的说,“你老实 : ”。男的说,“老实应该是缺点吧”?? : 小孩上学,我告诉她,if anyone pushes you, you have to push back. don't just : cry to the teacher. 打人也比被人打强。 : : to
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m********t 发帖数: 9426 | 99 这事情搞大了
都搞到生活中是否自私,mean之类的
breeze
【在 n***k 的大作中提到】 : sigh,没想到从这么一个小事(对于我们个人来说)的探讨中,还是能看到一个人的本 : 质。 : 在现实生活中,起码我不会和breeze这种自私的人交朋友,也不会让我的孩子和breeze : 的孩子交朋友的。 : 在NCAA版里,大家都是混友,不要太在意啊。 : : just
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m********t 发帖数: 9426 | 100 这个世界真性情的好人太少了,看这个版面有感
好多人都是伪君子
breeze
【在 n***k 的大作中提到】 : sigh,没想到从这么一个小事(对于我们个人来说)的探讨中,还是能看到一个人的本 : 质。 : 在现实生活中,起码我不会和breeze这种自私的人交朋友,也不会让我的孩子和breeze : 的孩子交朋友的。 : 在NCAA版里,大家都是混友,不要太在意啊。 : : just
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b**j 发帖数: 20742 | 101 没问题。我知道我很庸俗,高攀不起
breeze
【在 n***k 的大作中提到】 : sigh,没想到从这么一个小事(对于我们个人来说)的探讨中,还是能看到一个人的本 : 质。 : 在现实生活中,起码我不会和breeze这种自私的人交朋友,也不会让我的孩子和breeze : 的孩子交朋友的。 : 在NCAA版里,大家都是混友,不要太在意啊。 : : just
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n***k 发帖数: 2780 | 102 对,我就是以小事看人的。
等到大事的时候,就来不及了。
【在 m********t 的大作中提到】 : 这事情搞大了 : 都搞到生活中是否自私,mean之类的 : : breeze
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n***k 发帖数: 2780 | 103 我觉得还是相对好的人多。
一切以protect自己或是自己的家人的为最top priority的人,在别人看来就是自私。
【在 m********t 的大作中提到】 : 这个世界真性情的好人太少了,看这个版面有感 : 好多人都是伪君子 : : breeze
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n***k 发帖数: 2780 | 104 跟庸俗没关吧,我个人“自私的”感觉而已。
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】 : 没问题。我知道我很庸俗,高攀不起 : : breeze
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b**j 发帖数: 20742 | 105 庸俗的人基本都是自私的,一切从自己利益出发。反过来的
人是高尚的。两类人是不同的。
【在 n***k 的大作中提到】 : 跟庸俗没关吧,我个人“自私的”感觉而已。
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B*****e 发帖数: 9375 | 106 There are a lot in this world who are not able to or willing to do even that.
Are they better, or better off?
I think not.
【在 n***k 的大作中提到】 : 跟庸俗没关吧,我个人“自私的”感觉而已。
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m********t 发帖数: 9426 | 107 你这样的真性情,我觉得好
很多人在外面说的特别好听,没人的时候很阴坏损
或者在现实生活中装的很好,学者风范,名校出身,在网络上猥琐之极
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】 : 没问题。我知道我很庸俗,高攀不起 : : breeze
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m********t 发帖数: 9426 | 108 很多人心里这么想,在网络上还说的特别好听
自己家里一摊子烂事,不干不净,还能在公众场合当什么协调员,讲大道理,教育别人
要干净
【在 n***k 的大作中提到】 : 我觉得还是相对好的人多。 : 一切以protect自己或是自己的家人的为最top priority的人,在别人看来就是自私。
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b**j 发帖数: 20742 | 109 anyway, 就像昨天说,研究生北大的要热爱北大,不需要别人
approve. 我个人网上灌水聊天,人生观,世界观,也是为自己
服务的。我个人满意就好,不需要别人approve. 当然别人
看不起我也不需要为此感觉不好,因为也不需要我approve.
各人都自有活法。高兴最重要。
【在 m********t 的大作中提到】 : 你这样的真性情,我觉得好 : 很多人在外面说的特别好听,没人的时候很阴坏损 : 或者在现实生活中装的很好,学者风范,名校出身,在网络上猥琐之极
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n***k 发帖数: 2780 | 110 没有定义的这么清楚吧,大家都是在中间。
其实我很同意你的很多关点,我自己感觉自己也是一个伪君子。
在现在的中国,人人自危,不去骗人,不去拼命挣钱,就无法生存。其实根源就是当年
邓小平的一句话:“不管黑猫白猫,抓着耗子就是好猫”,坑了中国几十年。我要是还
在中国混,肯定也得真么做。
在美国,相对来说好的很多,大家没有那么大的压力,简单,也能生活的很好。简单来
说,就是不用骗人,不用自私,生活还是非常棒,除非自己ambious,要达到什么目标
。。。
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】 : 庸俗的人基本都是自私的,一切从自己利益出发。反过来的 : 人是高尚的。两类人是不同的。
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n***k 发帖数: 2780 | 111 有谁家里的一烂摊子事儿,八卦八卦?
我一个大俗人,喜欢这个。
【在 m********t 的大作中提到】 : 很多人心里这么想,在网络上还说的特别好听 : 自己家里一摊子烂事,不干不净,还能在公众场合当什么协调员,讲大道理,教育别人 : 要干净
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n***k 发帖数: 2780 | 112 自私并没有错啊,每个人都自私。
但要看度,如果要是为了保护自己,去先打别人的,我就觉得过了。
that.
【在 B*****e 的大作中提到】 : There are a lot in this world who are not able to or willing to do even that. : Are they better, or better off? : I think not.
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b**j 发帖数: 20742 | 113 你那是早就衣食无忧了。有空看看ebiz, fleamarket等版面的
医护人员,为了$10都可以吵一天,就知道自私自利是有原因的。
不是人人都酒足饭饱要高尚的。
【在 n***k 的大作中提到】 : 没有定义的这么清楚吧,大家都是在中间。 : 其实我很同意你的很多关点,我自己感觉自己也是一个伪君子。 : 在现在的中国,人人自危,不去骗人,不去拼命挣钱,就无法生存。其实根源就是当年 : 邓小平的一句话:“不管黑猫白猫,抓着耗子就是好猫”,坑了中国几十年。我要是还 : 在中国混,肯定也得真么做。 : 在美国,相对来说好的很多,大家没有那么大的压力,简单,也能生活的很好。简单来 : 说,就是不用骗人,不用自私,生活还是非常棒,除非自己ambious,要达到什么目标 : 。。。
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n***k 发帖数: 2780 | 114 是啊,谁都恶心那样的人。
【在 m********t 的大作中提到】 : 你这样的真性情,我觉得好 : 很多人在外面说的特别好听,没人的时候很阴坏损 : 或者在现实生活中装的很好,学者风范,名校出身,在网络上猥琐之极
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m********t 发帖数: 9426 | 115 我没什么钱,也挺快乐
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】 : 你那是早就衣食无忧了。有空看看ebiz, fleamarket等版面的 : 医护人员,为了$10都可以吵一天,就知道自私自利是有原因的。 : 不是人人都酒足饭饱要高尚的。
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n***k 发帖数: 2780 | 116 当然了,做人要做自己,不是给别人看的。
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】 : anyway, 就像昨天说,研究生北大的要热爱北大,不需要别人 : approve. 我个人网上灌水聊天,人生观,世界观,也是为自己 : 服务的。我个人满意就好,不需要别人approve. 当然别人 : 看不起我也不需要为此感觉不好,因为也不需要我approve. : 各人都自有活法。高兴最重要。
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b**j 发帖数: 20742 | 117 it's all relative
【在 m********t 的大作中提到】 : 我没什么钱,也挺快乐
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m********t 发帖数: 9426 | 118 这样的人其实很多
呵呵
【在 n***k 的大作中提到】 : 有谁家里的一烂摊子事儿,八卦八卦? : 我一个大俗人,喜欢这个。
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n***k 发帖数: 2780 | 119 即使拿这里最穷的人,十块钱也不算啥吧。
最后还是一个贪,或是激了火才吵的吧。
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】 : 你那是早就衣食无忧了。有空看看ebiz, fleamarket等版面的 : 医护人员,为了$10都可以吵一天,就知道自私自利是有原因的。 : 不是人人都酒足饭饱要高尚的。
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n***k 发帖数: 2780 | 120 有啥具体的讲讲?我饭前炕头就喜欢这个。
【在 m********t 的大作中提到】 : 这样的人其实很多 : 呵呵
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n***k 发帖数: 2780 | 121 你生活已经非常好了吧,早就应该知足而乐乐。
哼,除非你保暖思饮誉!
【在 m********t 的大作中提到】 : 我没什么钱,也挺快乐
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m********t 发帖数: 9426 | 122 我对二奶,小三之类的完全没有兴趣
【在 n***k 的大作中提到】 : 你生活已经非常好了吧,早就应该知足而乐乐。 : 哼,除非你保暖思饮誉!
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n***k 发帖数: 2780 | 123 我怎么感觉恰恰相反呢? // 跑掉先
【在 m********t 的大作中提到】 : 我对二奶,小三之类的完全没有兴趣
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m********t 发帖数: 9426 | 124 这个话题不能往下说了,我们接着说JT吧
【在 n***k 的大作中提到】 : 我怎么感觉恰恰相反呢? // 跑掉先
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