G****e
发帖数: 11198 | 1 Since 2000, Ohio State has reported to the NCAA more than 375 violations --
the most of any of the 69 Football Bowl Subdivision schools that provided
documents to The Dispatch through public-records requests.
http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2009/05/31/FERPA_
如果不是利用借着the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act 为借口搞cover-
up，估计丑闻更多。
“Until March, it had spent three years on NCAA probation for violations
that cost the school at least $1.3 million in legal fees and penalties.”
FERPA has prompted coaches and athletic department officials to give vague
statements about why an athlete isn't playing. For example:
• Football coach Jim Tressel said before the national championship
game against Florida in 2007 that one player could miss the game because of
an injury. Records show that one benched player had failed a drug test four
days before the game, which disqualified him from competition. That same
player also missed the entire 2005 season.
• When an OSU football recruit suddenly left town before classes began
in 2002, former athletic director Andy Geiger said only that it wasn't an
academic problem. He didn't elaborate. Records show that the recruit and his
family had received thousands of dollars in financial help, against NCAA
rules.
• Tressel has used the term "violation of team rules" to explain the
suspensions of at least 10 players. Such infractions can range from missing
curfew or class to criminal behavior. One of those team-rule violators was
Troy Smith, who missed two games as a penalty for accepting cash from a
booster. Another was involved in an academic-fraud investigation by Ohio
State. University officials found no wrongdoing but censored the public
report so heavily that it was impossible to know what happened.
Without full disclosure, it is virtually impossible to determine whether
athletes flout NCAA rules or whether Ohio State officials diligently enforce
them. The same is true for all schools. | G****e
发帖数: 11198 | 2 Fast forward 10 years, and a shroud of secrecy surrounds Ohio State's
records of violations.
In the summer of 2002, Derek Morris arrived in town from North Carolina as
one of the country's top football recruits. He left Columbus weeks later
with rumors circulating that he didn't have the necessary academic
credentials to play football.
Records show that boosters, coaches and members of the Touchdown Club of
Columbus gave Morris and his family:
• At least $1,175 in cash.
• Help securing a $3,000 loan.
• More than $500 in airline tickets.
• Housing and expenses.
• Legal advice.
• Outside tutoring from a woman who later filed a criminal complaint
against the family for nonpayment.
• A job for the recruit's father.
Ohio State said it erred when it didn't remove Morris' name from the NCAA
violation report before giving a copy to The Dispatch. In documents provided
to The Dispatch in the same case four years ago, Ohio State edited
differently, stripping away all details of the special treatment afforded
the Morris family. The heavily redacted record also concealed the penalty,
if any, OSU faced for the violation. | b**j
发帖数: 20742 | 3 最后一句，The same is true for all schools.
各种小violation多了，violation多少不是问题，也不会造成big punishment, 被ncaa
重罚的原因是cover up of the violations.
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cover-
【在 G****e 的大作中提到】
: Since 2000, Ohio State has reported to the NCAA more than 375 violations --
: the most of any of the 69 Football Bowl Subdivision schools that provided
: documents to The Dispatch through public-records requests.
: http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2009/05/31/FERPA_
: 如果不是利用借着the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act 为借口搞cover-
: up，估计丑闻更多。
: “Until March, it had spent three years on NCAA probation for violations
: that cost the school at least $1.3 million in legal fees and penalties.”
: FERPA has prompted coaches and athletic department officials to give vague
: statements about why an athlete isn't playing. For example:
| G****e
发帖数: 11198 | 4 In May 2003, the shoe company adidas paid for a football player's trip to
Los Angeles. The athlete flew on a private plane to the West Coast. Once
there, he was treated to free meals, lodging, tickets to a Lakers basketball
game and adidas apparel. OSU removed the athlete's name and the punishment
he received, citing the law protecting education records.
Also that May, an undisclosed number of Buckeyes worked at a convention
where they were paid $130 each to sign autographs and play golf. The
athletes temporarily lost eligibility for taking improper jobs and had to
give the money to charity to regain eligibility. OSU's report does not
identify the athletes or the booster who hired them because of FERPA.
In October 2005, two football players stole a $60 alarm clock and a $10 hair
dryer from the Hilton Minneapolis. The team was in town to play a game
against the Golden Gophers. Their names were blacked out by OSU because of
FERPA.
In February 2006, an undisclosed number of football players attended a
charity event and signed autographs without permission. The athletes lost
eligibility for a time but did not miss a game because it wasn't football
season. Their names were removed from the record because of FERPA.
Investigation follows tip
The NCAA enforcement staff arrived on Ohio State's campus on July 30 after
receiving an anonymous tip that the courting of a recruit in 2007 went too
far.
Ohio State records say this about the violation involving a student athlete,
"SA" for short: "See full report, which includes both a response to the
NCAA Enforcement inquiry as well as a violation report. Report includes
analysis of two issues: recruitment of current SA (name blacked out) and the
relationship with (name blacked out) and former student athletes working at
institutional camps."
It took two more public-records requests to obtain additional information
from Ohio State. From those heavily edited records, this much also is known
about the athlete: The recruit arrived in town sometime during the 2007
football season with three friends and went to a game.
The football player received a special, discounted hotel rate and free food
while visiting Ohio State.
On Aug. 21, OSU declared the athlete ineligible and filed a violation report
with the NCAA. He never missed a game, though. He paid back $158 for his
extra benefits, and the NCAA restored his eligibility.
He was a freshman at Ohio State last year.
He was recruited by quarterbacks coach Joe Daniels. | d********g
发帖数: 11948 | 5 我真佩服它密的人花这么多时间来找这些东西 这是神马精神啊！rivalry万岁！ | b**j
发帖数: 20742 | 6 这个什么FERPA东西也不是osu的规定，要算帐找fed. 你密难道处罚球员没有用过
undisclosed team rule? 没有用过这个FERPA规定？
basketball
punishment
【在 G****e 的大作中提到】
: In May 2003, the shoe company adidas paid for a football player's trip to
: Los Angeles. The athlete flew on a private plane to the West Coast. Once
: there, he was treated to free meals, lodging, tickets to a Lakers basketball
: game and adidas apparel. OSU removed the athlete's name and the punishment
: he received, citing the law protecting education records.
: Also that May, an undisclosed number of Buckeyes worked at a convention
: where they were paid $130 each to sign autographs and play golf. The
: athletes temporarily lost eligibility for taking improper jobs and had to
: give the money to charity to regain eligibility. OSU's report does not
: identify the athletes or the booster who hired them because of FERPA.
| G****e
发帖数: 11198 | 7
证明了一点：有土壤！
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】
: 这个什么FERPA东西也不是osu的规定，要算帐找fed. 你密难道处罚球员没有用过
: undisclosed team rule? 没有用过这个FERPA规定？
:
: basketball
: punishment
| b**j
发帖数: 20742 | 8 土壤哪里没有。。你密要是从来不像OSU这样用PERPA掩盖，那i give you that, you
guys are squeaky clean and transparent
【在 G****e 的大作中提到】
:
: 证明了一点：有土壤！
| G****e
发帖数: 11198 | 9
我发这个贴的目的是来回你下面这个帖子。证明了一件事情，你跟沙漠王一样，这也是
自己打自己的嘴巴子。
抱歉！自己多打几下子，不要cover-up，不用否认，不要拉人来垫背。
走了，不陪你们ohio扇子玩，一点逻辑和事实都不会摆，不好玩。
－－－－
发信人: brmj (病人梦见), 信区: NCAA
标 题: hello kettle! meet pot
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Dec 21 17:25:11 2011, 美东)
我已经三年没cheat了，再往前都20年没cheat了。你们前年还在cheat!
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】
: 土壤哪里没有。。你密要是从来不像OSU这样用PERPA掩盖，那i give you that, you
: guys are squeaky clean and transparent
| b**j
发帖数: 20742 | 10 谁爱陪你们扯啊。自己就是有案底的program, 非要说自己是clean的。不知道你们要证
明什么。我们osu被抓了，我没话说。你们非要说自己是clean, 又要说osu/jT has bee
n cheating for 20 years despite not having any evidence, you can't have it b
oth ways. either OSU is always dirty (no evidence needed) or OSU is clean
during the period w/o evidence, same logic should apply to your own school
too.
就这样吧。反正谁也说服不了谁
【在 G****e 的大作中提到】
:
: 我发这个贴的目的是来回你下面这个帖子。证明了一件事情，你跟沙漠王一样，这也是
: 自己打自己的嘴巴子。
: 抱歉！自己多打几下子，不要cover-up，不用否认，不要拉人来垫背。
: 走了，不陪你们ohio扇子玩，一点逻辑和事实都不会摆，不好玩。
: －－－－
: 发信人: brmj (病人梦见), 信区: NCAA
: 标 题: hello kettle! meet pot
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Dec 21 17:25:11 2011, 美东)
: 我已经三年没cheat了，再往前都20年没cheat了。你们前年还在cheat!
| | | G****e
发帖数: 11198 | 11
bee
b
"谁爱陪你们扯啊。自己就是有案底的program, 非要说自己是clean的。"
你这个指责出自谁的口？是不是你们ohio扇子自己杜撰出来的？ref please.
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】
: 谁爱陪你们扯啊。自己就是有案底的program, 非要说自己是clean的。不知道你们要证
: 明什么。我们osu被抓了，我没话说。你们非要说自己是clean, 又要说osu/jT has bee
: n cheating for 20 years despite not having any evidence, you can't have it b
: oth ways. either OSU is always dirty (no evidence needed) or OSU is clean
: during the period w/o evidence, same logic should apply to your own school
: too.
: 就这样吧。反正谁也说服不了谁
| B*****e
发帖数: 9375 | 12 对了, 正式问微风
究竟是哪一个UMich的扇子, 在什么场合, "非要说自己是clean的"??
你说这个也说了很多回了.
是谁? 揪出来了, 我先教育他.
如果没有, 就不能让brmj的谎言重复了一千次. Shame!
【在 G****e 的大作中提到】
:
: bee
: b
: "谁爱陪你们扯啊。自己就是有案底的program, 非要说自己是clean的。"
: 你这个指责出自谁的口？是不是你们ohio扇子自己杜撰出来的？ref please.
| n****s
发帖数: 10 | 13 你真够无聊的！
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cover-
【在 G****e 的大作中提到】
: Since 2000, Ohio State has reported to the NCAA more than 375 violations --
: the most of any of the 69 Football Bowl Subdivision schools that provided
: documents to The Dispatch through public-records requests.
: http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2009/05/31/FERPA_
: 如果不是利用借着the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act 为借口搞cover-
: up，估计丑闻更多。
: “Until March, it had spent three years on NCAA probation for violations
: that cost the school at least $1.3 million in legal fees and penalties.”
: FERPA has prompted coaches and athletic department officials to give vague
: statements about why an athlete isn't playing. For example:
| b**j
发帖数: 20742 | 14 不就是你自己吗？
嘿嘿, 在某些人的逻辑里, 是不需要甚么"证据"的.
他们会很一本正经的跟你说:
(其他学校)有没有像他们这样的违规事情,
只要"想一想"就知道了嘛: 傻瓜才会认为没有.
他们是不会在乎没有证据这个小细节的, 只要"想一想", 就行了.
你要是说没证据, 空想不出来,
他们还会反过来骂你蠢, 骂你装逼, 骂你假圣人, 骂你占领道德制高点 ...
【在 B*****e 的大作中提到】
: 对了, 正式问微风
: 究竟是哪一个UMich的扇子, 在什么场合, "非要说自己是clean的"??
: 你说这个也说了很多回了.
: 是谁? 揪出来了, 我先教育他.
: 如果没有, 就不能让brmj的谎言重复了一千次. Shame!
| b**j
发帖数: 20742 | 15 我贴了，就是看了大蓝的才出来趟浑水的。我丐被办，我没有什么怨言。要怪也就怪ge
ne smith错误估计形势。
【在 G****e 的大作中提到】
:
: bee
: b
: "谁爱陪你们扯啊。自己就是有案底的program, 非要说自己是clean的。"
: 你这个指责出自谁的口？是不是你们ohio扇子自己杜撰出来的？ref please.
| B*****e
发帖数: 9375 | 16 Wow ...
你们骂Fab-5, 我可有一次坚持说我们是干净的? 哪一次? 事实上我从来没发言.
你们骂加时训练, 我可有一次坚持说我们是干净的? 哪一次? 事实上我从来没发言.
其他任何时候, 我可有一次说,
UMich的体育系统很干净? 甚至只是和别的学校比相对干净? 没有罢.
我一再说的是, 要指责, 要问罪,
你总得先有一些 -- SOME -- 关与这罪状本身的证据, 才行.
而不是像你经常说的, "谁也不干净", "想一想就知道了".
不好意思, 我凭空想不出来, 真的想不出来. 你教教我?
没有证明, 不等于证明没有, 这我懂.
但到了你这里, 却是更进一大步, 没有证明, 恰恰*就是*证明:
没有证明说这个学校在这方面有违法乱纪, 这说明甚么?
这说明他们违法乱纪已经是到了炉火纯青的地步,
已经把证明都全给藏好了, 抹杀了, 我们只要"想一想就知道了".
这可是你 -- YOU -- 经常说的.
威老大, 别谦虚了.
这些辩论手段, 还有发动群众攻击对手的本事, 我很佩服.
您还说当年不是学生领袖 ...
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】
: 不就是你自己吗？
: 嘿嘿, 在某些人的逻辑里, 是不需要甚么"证据"的.
: 他们会很一本正经的跟你说:
: (其他学校)有没有像他们这样的违规事情,
: 只要"想一想"就知道了嘛: 傻瓜才会认为没有.
: 他们是不会在乎没有证据这个小细节的, 只要"想一想", 就行了.
: 你要是说没证据, 空想不出来,
: 他们还会反过来骂你蠢, 骂你装逼, 骂你假圣人, 骂你占领道德制高点 ...
| b**j
发帖数: 20742 | 17 你这大字报水平，要放文革时间估计就是张春桥也不敢自称第一啊
那就问你吧，你认为你们football有没有any kind of unreported violation? given
that right now nobody has produced any evidence. 这无聊的violation很多，就
特指payment from boosters, part time jobs earning more than market pay,
homework/test help from tutors, DUI, shoplifting这种的
【在 B*****e 的大作中提到】
: Wow ...
: 你们骂Fab-5, 我可有一次坚持说我们是干净的? 哪一次? 事实上我从来没发言.
: 你们骂加时训练, 我可有一次坚持说我们是干净的? 哪一次? 事实上我从来没发言.
: 其他任何时候, 我可有一次说,
: UMich的体育系统很干净? 甚至只是和别的学校比相对干净? 没有罢.
: 我一再说的是, 要指责, 要问罪,
: 你总得先有一些 -- SOME -- 关与这罪状本身的证据, 才行.
: 而不是像你经常说的, "谁也不干净", "想一想就知道了".
: 不好意思, 我凭空想不出来, 真的想不出来. 你教教我?
: 没有证明, 不等于证明没有, 这我懂.
| g*********d
发帖数: 8125 | 18 你问的这些，跟大蓝的论点毛关系都没有
人家说你们有人偷换概念，装无辜。你要是想反驳，就说沙皇没有偷换概念，没有装无
辜。
密西根就是已经被罚死了。也不妨碍人家指出你们有人偷换概念。
given
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】
: 你这大字报水平，要放文革时间估计就是张春桥也不敢自称第一啊
: 那就问你吧，你认为你们football有没有any kind of unreported violation? given
: that right now nobody has produced any evidence. 这无聊的violation很多，就
: 特指payment from boosters, part time jobs earning more than market pay,
: homework/test help from tutors, DUI, shoplifting这种的
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