P*********t 发帖数: 4451 | 1 【 以下文字转载自 WaterWorld 讨论区 】
发信人: PhuqCaliCat (shorthillslivingston), 信区: WaterWorld
标 题: Re: 仁慈和公义,哪个更重要?
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Jan 23 22:58:30 2014, 美东)
仁慈, 公义, 都重要。不一定要分割对立。
假仁慈, 假公义, 都很可笑。一定会分割对立!
我们闹得这么大, 还是假的东西太多了的缘故。
至少假的仁慈, 我看不清楚, 而满版假的公义, 太令人作恶。
从小听说女人可怕。 要看女人真正怎样恶毒其他女人, 还是在大家匿名的网上更一目
了然。
这里太多恶毒的女人, 打着假的公义, 发泄自己的丑恶。
傻子才看不出来。 还是一句话, 康妈三个孩子, 死了老公, 我要是女人, 我不会
攻击她。
宁做不公义, 不作假公义。
-mitaas |
m*******y 发帖数: 14292 | |
P*********t 发帖数: 4451 | 3 victim of victims
【在 m*******y 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 中国人....你还不知道嘛
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m*******y 发帖数: 14292 | 4
悲哀的
但是互相也说服不了
最多是生活中不会跟这样人深交罢了
估计那些"道德卫士"也不屑与我们这样没有标准的人交往。
【在 P*********t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : victim of victims
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P*********t 发帖数: 4451 | 5 不一样的 culture。
【在 m*******y 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : : 悲哀的 : 但是互相也说服不了 : 最多是生活中不会跟这样人深交罢了 : 估计那些"道德卫士"也不屑与我们这样没有标准的人交往。
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m*******y 发帖数: 14292 | 6
不过大多数人是对km有不满 但是不轻易攻击 这完全可以 每个人看法都不一样
但是一拨一拨的那些说话阴阳怪气 不罢手一直闹的那些 真是不一样的生物
【在 P*********t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 不一样的 culture。
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r******s 发帖数: 1388 | 7 今天听广播,有个老帅歌星还是影星,跟人吃顿饭要价50万。我还要贴钱。这都是和行
业和人的地位决定的。极高和极低的都白来钱,在中间的是大部分,这些人总在相互掐
,因为高不成低不就,没人给买单,没人疼没人爱。
【在 P*********t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 不一样的 culture。
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a*o 发帖数: 25262 | 8 Well said..
"还是假的东西太多了的缘故。" 这已经令人怀疑每一个人做每一件事都是有目的的,
人与人之间那种信任感荡然无存,也就是说人和人相处之间,特别是和陌生人接触的自
己心中没有安全感,怕被骗,怀疑被骗,怕吃亏,怀疑自己吃亏。
culture 最大的分别是面对这些有争议性事情如何做,大多数都是 你这样做伤了我/大
家,你人格有问题,你要为了社会,为了中国人面子,为了道德仁义还有不知道什么什
么的原因,你要改。你败坏道德的影响到大家的形象,你改了大家就会很好过,我们的
道德维持高尚。
如果在美国呆久了,会发现同样的事情,大多数人不会指责对方而是在同样的情况下我
会怎么做会令我自己好过点。就如你说的 “ 我要是女人, 我不会攻击她。”
两个国家,两个社会,两种文化,就如半杯水,一个只看到半个空杯,另一个看到的是
半杯满的水。一个是以钱为中心的资本主义,却一点不丢失人与人之间那种互相信任关
系,另一个是以道德仁慈和公义为中心,却为了钱可以什么都丢掉。
【在 P*********t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 不一样的 culture。
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i*****g 发帖数: 2564 | 9 Just out of my personal curiosity. What is the thinking behind you, beef,
and a few others on this board that gone out of your way to defend KM and
the
actions taken by her and her teammates / fans.
Is it that you agree with the idea that to achieve your goal / desire,
it is okay and acceptable to hid key information and mislead others. Or, is
it that you feel sorry for a widow and her 3 kids that no one should dare
to question her and her teammates' actions?
Funny thing is that this whole thing had more or less die down till KM
herself came back this month and her teammates accidentally leak the info on
the new house.
If you want to protect her and her kids and let this just go away, wouldn't
it be better to stay away from the attack and counterattacks?
I don't think any of you are part of the professional handlers (sorry - is
the
correct term "义工"?) on her team. So, just curious to see what is the
thinking behind the bystander 康粉.
【在 P*********t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 不一样的 culture。
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P*********t 发帖数: 4451 | 10 不是康粉。
我是康黑黑。
--mitaas
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【在 i*****g 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Just out of my personal curiosity. What is the thinking behind you, beef, : and a few others on this board that gone out of your way to defend KM and : the : actions taken by her and her teammates / fans. : Is it that you agree with the idea that to achieve your goal / desire, : it is okay and acceptable to hid key information and mislead others. Or, is : it that you feel sorry for a widow and her 3 kids that no one should dare : to question her and her teammates' actions? : Funny thing is that this whole thing had more or less die down till KM : herself came back this month and her teammates accidentally leak the info on
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m*****5 发帖数: 23482 | 11 人家要捐康黑干嘛要拦啊,根本不知道捐款的人是什么动机,或许捐款的人就是要在这
个当口捐一下,不然自己就抑郁了,难道康黑连人家自己掏钱给自己心灵疗伤的机会都
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P*********t 发帖数: 4451 | 12 康黑心理变态。
严重康黑严重心理变态。
我在水世界一页页看过去, 实在哭笑不得。 包括天涯现在的主贴。
黑,真的都是些穷人,真正的感情远远超过理智, 偏使劲推出自己理性第一, 公正第
一的姿态。
跳梁小丑。 给自己脸上贴金。
---mitaas
【在 m*****5 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 人家要捐康黑干嘛要拦啊,根本不知道捐款的人是什么动机,或许捐款的人就是要在这 : 个当口捐一下,不然自己就抑郁了,难道康黑连人家自己掏钱给自己心灵疗伤的机会都 : 不给?
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m*******y 发帖数: 14292 | 13
【在 m*****5 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 人家要捐康黑干嘛要拦啊,根本不知道捐款的人是什么动机,或许捐款的人就是要在这 : 个当口捐一下,不然自己就抑郁了,难道康黑连人家自己掏钱给自己心灵疗伤的机会都 : 不给?
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a*o 发帖数: 25262 | 14 捐款是一种文化,是一种表现。两个概念,一是捐钱的人 show 出来的性质,二是受捐
款人/机构的内在运行性质。
捐钱的是表现你对某种事情的关心, show 你的 care。。希望你捐出去的钱可以有些
用。
受捐款的自律很好,大家欢喜。如不自律的也不是捐款人来 judge 对与错,犯法了有
法律来制裁。
说到底,大家的英雄感,什么大侠,小侠的因为是对政府法律的不信任而自己或一团人
认为能行得通的所谓道德制裁。 |
c********e 发帖数: 6158 | 15 the beauty of this world is its diversification. so there is KM, then there
is anti-KM, then there is anti-anti-KM, and then anti-anti-anti-KM.... then
the world get balanced as it should be... |
m*******y 发帖数: 14292 | 16 想起来两个记忆深刻的捐款故事 去年的 一个是老奶奶开校车 被熊孩子欺负了 全国人
民捐钱帮老奶奶退休 另一个是新泽西的女招待 FAKE了一张receipt 说客人因为她是女
同 拒绝付她小费 全国人民给她捐款表示支持 后来发现女同是撒了谎的 于是舆论"建
议"她退还捐款 不知道退了没有 女同出来道歉 |
m*******y 发帖数: 14292 | 17 话说。。。我给BROOKLYN BOTANIC GARDEN捐款 不知道能不能被善用 哼。。。。 |
a*o 发帖数: 25262 | 18 And there are cake and cheese, and also cheesecake and cakecheese..
you eat a cake not necessary have chess, and you eat cheese not necessary it
's a cake. But cake, cheese and cheesecake and cake cheese make the world..
oh no, not the world, the cake and cheese balance.
there
then
【在 c********e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : the beauty of this world is its diversification. so there is KM, then there : is anti-KM, then there is anti-anti-KM, and then anti-anti-anti-KM.... then : the world get balanced as it should be...
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a*o 发帖数: 25262 | 19 因为自己觉得被骗了的那种伤心比别人的抑郁影响到的伤心大。。
觉得被骗的伤心是自己的,抑郁是别人的,远的抑郁不如近的伤心的伤害大。
【在 m*****5 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 人家要捐康黑干嘛要拦啊,根本不知道捐款的人是什么动机,或许捐款的人就是要在这 : 个当口捐一下,不然自己就抑郁了,难道康黑连人家自己掏钱给自己心灵疗伤的机会都 : 不给?
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T********e 发帖数: 8631 | 20 建议大家去试试攀岩或者漂流。当你的命攥在你队友手中的时候,人的思维就完全不同
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a*o 发帖数: 25262 | 21 嘿嘿。。不错。。
国家地理电视台经常播这样的实验,一个人在极度惊慌的时候的反应,心理上的,身体
上的。。脑子里的电波。。
【在 T********e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 建议大家去试试攀岩或者漂流。当你的命攥在你队友手中的时候,人的思维就完全不同 : 了。
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m*****5 发帖数: 23482 | 22 如果这样怕骗的话,那一开始就别捐了,或者花钱买康妈的东西就好了,即使以后被骗
,还可以安慰自己:至少我还得了一个什么什么东西。
【在 a*o 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 因为自己觉得被骗了的那种伤心比别人的抑郁影响到的伤心大。。 : 觉得被骗的伤心是自己的,抑郁是别人的,远的抑郁不如近的伤心的伤害大。
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m****s 发帖数: 8992 | 23 Zhang ge
ZKSS
【在 T********e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 建议大家去试试攀岩或者漂流。当你的命攥在你队友手中的时候,人的思维就完全不同 : 了。
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i*****g 发帖数: 2564 | 24 Next time, don't forget to share some good photos.
http://hn.ifeng.com/lvyou/zhuangbei/detail_2014_01/21/1763448_0
【在 T********e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 建议大家去试试攀岩或者漂流。当你的命攥在你队友手中的时候,人的思维就完全不同 : 了。
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a*o 发帖数: 25262 | 25 有种东西叫 surprise, 就是所谓你看到的事实跟你期望的不同。。
华尔街那些买股票也是这样,分析师的期望收入,然后公司发布出来的收入跟这期望的
相差大。嘿嘿。。赚大了,又或者亏大了。
这对其他东西一样。。
【在 m*****5 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 如果这样怕骗的话,那一开始就别捐了,或者花钱买康妈的东西就好了,即使以后被骗 : ,还可以安慰自己:至少我还得了一个什么什么东西。
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a*o 发帖数: 25262 | 26 what's your point? who's pic?
【在 i*****g 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Next time, don't forget to share some good photos. : http://hn.ifeng.com/lvyou/zhuangbei/detail_2014_01/21/1763448_0
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T********e 发帖数: 8631 | 27 攀岩只试过一次,不是我的菜
In kayaking community, everyone is so generous and selfless. They go out of
their way helping you and every one comer every step of the way. It makes
you feel obligated to do your best or quit now. A real nice group of people
to be with. Too bad not many 国妞s into this stuff.
【在 m****s 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Zhang ge : ZKSS
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m*******y 发帖数: 14292 | 28 纽约版 到底是个成熟的版哈 能这么有秩序有礼貌的讨论 点个赞 |
a*o 发帖数: 25262 | 29 This is called teamwork. They teach everyone throughout the school
projects, sports.. If you are a team member, everyone else will try to do
the best for the team. Even you fall behind, they will help you.
It's not like 不怕神一样对手,只怕猪一样的队友。。well..another level,
cultural/value difference..
of
makes
people
【在 T********e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 攀岩只试过一次,不是我的菜 : In kayaking community, everyone is so generous and selfless. They go out of : their way helping you and every one comer every step of the way. It makes : you feel obligated to do your best or quit now. A real nice group of people : to be with. Too bad not many 国妞s into this stuff.
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T********e 发帖数: 8631 | 30 Except in this case, the price for failure is your life.
【在 a*o 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : This is called teamwork. They teach everyone throughout the school : projects, sports.. If you are a team member, everyone else will try to do : the best for the team. Even you fall behind, they will help you. : It's not like 不怕神一样对手,只怕猪一样的队友。。well..another level, : cultural/value difference.. : : of : makes : people
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a*o 发帖数: 25262 | 31 If you are single, and have no one else, nothing to care..you have nothing
to loss by taking the risk.
【在 T********e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Except in this case, the price for failure is your life.
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i*****g 发帖数: 2564 | 32 Oh yes, the 捐心安 theory. How did I forget!?
【在 m*****5 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 人家要捐康黑干嘛要拦啊,根本不知道捐款的人是什么动机,或许捐款的人就是要在这 : 个当口捐一下,不然自己就抑郁了,难道康黑连人家自己掏钱给自己心灵疗伤的机会都 : 不给?
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i*****g 发帖数: 2564 | 33 Oh, just a real life example of risk and reward on rock climbing.
【在 a*o 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : what's your point? who's pic?
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T********e 发帖数: 8631 | 34 No need in panic mode. Where you hang on for dear life, your buddies take
it for breakfast.
If you know what you are doing, it's no more dangerous than NYC sidewalk.
【在 a*o 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : If you are single, and have no one else, nothing to care..you have nothing : to loss by taking the risk.
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a*o 发帖数: 25262 | 35 So, that sport is not dangerous..
if you say once failed, it will cost your life..that sounds very serious..
like 签生死状。
【在 T********e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : No need in panic mode. Where you hang on for dear life, your buddies take : it for breakfast. : If you know what you are doing, it's no more dangerous than NYC sidewalk.
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T********e 发帖数: 8631 | 36 Just don't put yourself in a situation that you can't handle, and surrounded
by people 2 or 3 levels above you.
You do sign a 生死状, but no real kayakers have died on a regular river.
【在 a*o 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : So, that sport is not dangerous.. : if you say once failed, it will cost your life..that sounds very serious.. : like 签生死状。
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i*****g 发帖数: 2564 | 37 Whitewater kayaking or rock climbing?
Actually, both are deadly if you don't know what you are doing. Not just
how to react, but also understand your body limit and respect the power of
mother nature.
【在 a*o 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : So, that sport is not dangerous.. : if you say once failed, it will cost your life..that sounds very serious.. : like 签生死状。
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T********e 发帖数: 8631 | 38 I don't know rock climbing, but on whitewater, only the extreme adrenaline
junkies and weekend amateur rafters die. People stay in the middle rarely
having trouble.
【在 i*****g 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Whitewater kayaking or rock climbing? : Actually, both are deadly if you don't know what you are doing. Not just : how to react, but also understand your body limit and respect the power of : mother nature.
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i*****g 发帖数: 2564 | 39 你的爸妈养大你也是不容易啊!
【在 a*o 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : If you are single, and have no one else, nothing to care..you have nothing : to loss by taking the risk.
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i*****g 发帖数: 2564 | 40 Yup, amateur like myself need a lot more training, but looks like we won't
be able to join again this year. Have fun.
【在 T********e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : I don't know rock climbing, but on whitewater, only the extreme adrenaline : junkies and weekend amateur rafters die. People stay in the middle rarely : having trouble.
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a*o 发帖数: 25262 | 41 很久很久以前就听说,欺山莫欺水。。
Everything has risk, but the level of risk you can estimate.
surrounded
【在 T********e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Just don't put yourself in a situation that you can't handle, and surrounded : by people 2 or 3 levels above you. : You do sign a 生死状, but no real kayakers have died on a regular river.
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a*o 发帖数: 25262 | 42 当然,唉,你以为养大只猪就容易了么?
【在 i*****g 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 你的爸妈养大你也是不容易啊!
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a*o 发帖数: 25262 | 43 It's very basic, if you don't know how to swim, you are going to jump to the
river or swim in the ocean?
去熊山上面爬一爬那块大石头没啥事。
【在 i*****g 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Whitewater kayaking or rock climbing? : Actually, both are deadly if you don't know what you are doing. Not just : how to react, but also understand your body limit and respect the power of : mother nature.
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i*****g 发帖数: 2564 | 44 Hmmm. Don't think you know the difference between whitewater rafting /
kayaking vs. swimming.
Also, 熊山 is consider hiking, not rock climbing.
the
【在 a*o 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : It's very basic, if you don't know how to swim, you are going to jump to the : river or swim in the ocean? : 去熊山上面爬一爬那块大石头没啥事。
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a*o 发帖数: 25262 | 45 唉,我说熊山顶上有块 Rock, 你爬上去也是 rock climbing。
非要去那些 rock 掉下来九死一生的才算 rock climbing?
【在 i*****g 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Hmmm. Don't think you know the difference between whitewater rafting / : kayaking vs. swimming. : Also, 熊山 is consider hiking, not rock climbing. : : the
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i*****g 发帖数: 2564 | 46 Sigh, then to you, I am a rock climbing expert.
【在 a*o 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 唉,我说熊山顶上有块 Rock, 你爬上去也是 rock climbing。 : 非要去那些 rock 掉下来九死一生的才算 rock climbing?
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a*o 发帖数: 25262 | 47 很多人以为自己是 expert,其实出事最多的是自己认为自己 expert 的人。。
那个开车第一的 Michael Schumacher 是滑雪 expert..he hit a rock..
【在 i*****g 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Sigh, then to you, I am a rock climbing expert.
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T********e 发帖数: 8631 | 48 That's climbing rock, not rock climbing. Big difference ^_^
【在 a*o 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 唉,我说熊山顶上有块 Rock, 你爬上去也是 rock climbing。 : 非要去那些 rock 掉下来九死一生的才算 rock climbing?
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a*o 发帖数: 25262 | 49 haha..true..
adventure is fun...it makes your heart beat faster..
【在 T********e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : That's climbing rock, not rock climbing. Big difference ^_^
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