y**********7 发帖数: 55 | 1 很难过,因为这个住院医生的错误,我新出生的宝宝被错误的接受了X-RAy等一系列的
检查。医院的解
释是:这些检查本来是应该给另外一个小孩的,但是因为这个小孩的名字跟我的姓(新
生儿在院期间自
动label 母亲的姓)接近(其实就一个字母相同)。由于医师的错误的把order 放在我
儿子身下,
Radiologist执行了错误的指令。。。
医院不肯给任何的交待,包括一个最简单的道歉,我的问题是---
1) should I file complaint against this resident, or the hospital?
2) Should I challenge for the qualification of his residency for this
malpractice?
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y**1 发帖数: 1037 | 2 I am so sorry for that. Is X-ray harmful to newborns? if it is, please sue
them. if it is not, it is hard. bcs there is no harm to your newborn, but if
I were you I definitely will write to the resident's director.
【在 y**********7 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 很难过,因为这个住院医生的错误,我新出生的宝宝被错误的接受了X-RAy等一系列的 : 检查。医院的解 : 释是:这些检查本来是应该给另外一个小孩的,但是因为这个小孩的名字跟我的姓(新 : 生儿在院期间自 : 动label 母亲的姓)接近(其实就一个字母相同)。由于医师的错误的把order 放在我 : 儿子身下, : Radiologist执行了错误的指令。。。 : 医院不肯给任何的交待,包括一个最简单的道歉,我的问题是--- : 1) should I file complaint against this resident, or the hospital? : 2) Should I challenge for the qualification of his residency for this
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az 发帖数: 16686 | 3 这个真离谱啊,你姓什么?是跟美国人的姓类似了?
至少要投诉下吧,这种错误都能犯啊
每次做检查之前不都要对照姓名什么的吗?难道每次都没检查?
【在 y**********7 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 很难过,因为这个住院医生的错误,我新出生的宝宝被错误的接受了X-RAy等一系列的 : 检查。医院的解 : 释是:这些检查本来是应该给另外一个小孩的,但是因为这个小孩的名字跟我的姓(新 : 生儿在院期间自 : 动label 母亲的姓)接近(其实就一个字母相同)。由于医师的错误的把order 放在我 : 儿子身下, : Radiologist执行了错误的指令。。。 : 医院不肯给任何的交待,包括一个最简单的道歉,我的问题是--- : 1) should I file complaint against this resident, or the hospital? : 2) Should I challenge for the qualification of his residency for this
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T*********k 发帖数: 1767 | 4 of course you should complain!
【在 y**********7 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 很难过,因为这个住院医生的错误,我新出生的宝宝被错误的接受了X-RAy等一系列的 : 检查。医院的解 : 释是:这些检查本来是应该给另外一个小孩的,但是因为这个小孩的名字跟我的姓(新 : 生儿在院期间自 : 动label 母亲的姓)接近(其实就一个字母相同)。由于医师的错误的把order 放在我 : 儿子身下, : Radiologist执行了错误的指令。。。 : 医院不肯给任何的交待,包括一个最简单的道歉,我的问题是--- : 1) should I file complaint against this resident, or the hospital? : 2) Should I challenge for the qualification of his residency for this
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y**m 发帖数: 1049 | 5 很难投诉.因为你不能证明x-ray造成了伤害.医生不肯道歉是肯定不能放过他的,写信
给director.make sure这个x-ray不要被charge钱.不要做了不该做的还被收钱.
另外还有什么检查?你说了"一系列的检查".
【在 y**********7 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 很难过,因为这个住院医生的错误,我新出生的宝宝被错误的接受了X-RAy等一系列的 : 检查。医院的解 : 释是:这些检查本来是应该给另外一个小孩的,但是因为这个小孩的名字跟我的姓(新 : 生儿在院期间自 : 动label 母亲的姓)接近(其实就一个字母相同)。由于医师的错误的把order 放在我 : 儿子身下, : Radiologist执行了错误的指令。。。 : 医院不肯给任何的交待,包括一个最简单的道歉,我的问题是--- : 1) should I file complaint against this resident, or the hospital? : 2) Should I challenge for the qualification of his residency for this
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t********y 发帖数: 2114 | 6 这个为什么很难投诉?是医院弄错了啊,给一个健康的宝宝做了这么多危险的检查,还
不知道有没有后遗症呢。这个一定要投诉。 |
R*C 发帖数: 5511 | 7 应该是很难SUE他,COMPLAIN是肯定应该的。不过可能不会有任何赔偿。
【在 t********y 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 这个为什么很难投诉?是医院弄错了啊,给一个健康的宝宝做了这么多危险的检查,还 : 不知道有没有后遗症呢。这个一定要投诉。
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y**********7 发帖数: 55 | 8 如果我投诉,是否会对他的resident有影响?LD心地好,担心这个resident 从此就
fail掉了。
但是这么粗心的人会成为一个好的儿科医生吗? |
c*****n 发帖数: 1539 | 9 这种人你留着他让他祸害其他的孩子啊?
还好还没成为医生,这么粗心早晚要出大事。现在走总比将来出了大事走对他好。
【在 y**********7 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 如果我投诉,是否会对他的resident有影响?LD心地好,担心这个resident 从此就 : fail掉了。 : 但是这么粗心的人会成为一个好的儿科医生吗?
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A**k 发帖数: 4253 | 10
re
【在 c*****n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 这种人你留着他让他祸害其他的孩子啊? : 还好还没成为医生,这么粗心早晚要出大事。现在走总比将来出了大事走对他好。
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l******2 发帖数: 2994 | 11 enough literature state that being exposed to x-ray increases the risk of
cancer. at least to complain and at least to get their aplogy.
【在 y**m 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 很难投诉.因为你不能证明x-ray造成了伤害.医生不肯道歉是肯定不能放过他的,写信 : 给director.make sure这个x-ray不要被charge钱.不要做了不该做的还被收钱. : 另外还有什么检查?你说了"一系列的检查".
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m*******e 发帖数: 1886 | 12 RE,
没有证据证明宝宝被伤害了,就没法告或要求赔偿。
但是不代表不能complain,就因为它是resident,更加要让他知道这个教训!practice
code,
hospital protocol在ID方面是强调了再强调的,这个是很严重的错误,不光是
resident有问题,
radiologist也没有做到double check名字,生日等identity, 也是有责任的!
【在 R*C 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 应该是很难SUE他,COMPLAIN是肯定应该的。不过可能不会有任何赔偿。
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y**********7 发帖数: 55 | 13 links, please
thanks
of cancer. at least to complain and at least to get their aplogy.
【在 l******2 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : enough literature state that being exposed to x-ray increases the risk of : cancer. at least to complain and at least to get their aplogy.
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h*********t 发帖数: 2552 | 14 不道歉也太没职业道德了
支持投诉
现在犯这种错误(还不知道有没有伤害),将来说不定会犯更大的
我父亲以前在医院工作,医生护士有出医疗事故的,直接开除 |
N******u 发帖数: 11939 | 15 先端正你ld!
【在 y**********7 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 如果我投诉,是否会对他的resident有影响?LD心地好,担心这个resident 从此就 : fail掉了。 : 但是这么粗心的人会成为一个好的儿科医生吗?
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g***t 发帖数: 444 | 16 这个住院医都不跟你们认错,态度这么不端正,不能就这么放过他的。
关于赔偿的问题,我觉得未必像上面那些人说的拿不到。具体细节不能讲,反正我认识
的一个人并没有上法庭,没有起诉,是通过律师,签了放弃起诉的paper,然后拿到了
私了赔偿,赔偿数字还是很巨大的。
你这个case不知道私了能否拿到和解金。但是,你至少应该尝试一下,先咨询一下律师。
很简单,要么私了给钱,要么就complain他,像他犯这样的错误,你complain的话,不
可能对他的career一点影响都没有的。看他是要career,还是要钱了。
不过这个都应该通过律师来做。
我觉得你们宝宝平白无故的做了那么多检查,不能就这么算了。
还有你那个老公,瞎长好心眼,对待这种态度不端正的住院医,毁灭了他的行医道路都
是应该的。 |
w*****g 发帖数: 1443 | 17 re
【在 c*****n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 这种人你留着他让他祸害其他的孩子啊? : 还好还没成为医生,这么粗心早晚要出大事。现在走总比将来出了大事走对他好。
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c*******u 发帖数: 12899 | 18 有影响也是 他应该承担的
【在 y**********7 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 如果我投诉,是否会对他的resident有影响?LD心地好,担心这个resident 从此就 : fail掉了。 : 但是这么粗心的人会成为一个好的儿科医生吗?
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m**********d 发帖数: 1818 | 19 这是常识啊,一搜一大把
【在 y**********7 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : links, please : thanks : : of cancer. at least to complain and at least to get their aplogy.
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l******2 发帖数: 2994 | 20
【在 c*******u 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 有影响也是 他应该承担的
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y****g 发帖数: 3362 | 21 re 这个。
印度猪大多不是什么好鸟。
师。
【在 g***t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 这个住院医都不跟你们认错,态度这么不端正,不能就这么放过他的。 : 关于赔偿的问题,我觉得未必像上面那些人说的拿不到。具体细节不能讲,反正我认识 : 的一个人并没有上法庭,没有起诉,是通过律师,签了放弃起诉的paper,然后拿到了 : 私了赔偿,赔偿数字还是很巨大的。 : 你这个case不知道私了能否拿到和解金。但是,你至少应该尝试一下,先咨询一下律师。 : 很简单,要么私了给钱,要么就complain他,像他犯这样的错误,你complain的话,不 : 可能对他的career一点影响都没有的。看他是要career,还是要钱了。 : 不过这个都应该通过律师来做。 : 我觉得你们宝宝平白无故的做了那么多检查,不能就这么算了。 : 还有你那个老公,瞎长好心眼,对待这种态度不端正的住院医,毁灭了他的行医道路都
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g***t 发帖数: 444 | 22 他有没有犯错,有没有违规? 这个总是有的吧。 这个违规操作对他的事业的影响有多
大待定,但是不可能是一点没影响的吧?
为什么一定非要走什么民事这个法那个法的起诉途径?
找律师谈判和解赔偿,也就是敲诈的合法形式,反倒是有可能让他接受点教训。
上的伤害(PHYSICAL INJURY)才算。
精神伤害没有以物理的形式体现出来的话(比如说,妈妈得知这个消息难过到头痛阿等
等),民事侵权法也不会受理的。
的可能的或者潜在的身体上的伤害如何处理,这个问题MM是要去问律师才能知道的,各
个州的法律不同,即使法律相同,给出的解释也是不一样。所以我们这些妈妈们也没有
办法回答你这个问题阿。 |
r*********l 发帖数: 1279 | 23 你老公觉得阿三的职业未来大于儿子的健康阿,真匪夷所思 |
l******1 发帖数: 292 | 24 当然要投诉,最讨厌的就是印度人,这么不负责任的医生怎么能做合格的医生呢???
岂不是误人子弟。 |
l*****t 发帖数: 4407 | |
f******z 发帖数: 237 | 26 I do not want to scare you, but there are many observational studies showing
that radiation exposures at childhood increase incidence of cancers such as
thyroid, breast, and head and neck cancer, in the future.
Based on the information you provided, you should ABSOLUTELY complain and
get formal apology from the hospital, or even think about suing them.Keep
all the medical record for this malpractice.
【在 y**********7 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 很难过,因为这个住院医生的错误,我新出生的宝宝被错误的接受了X-RAy等一系列的 : 检查。医院的解 : 释是:这些检查本来是应该给另外一个小孩的,但是因为这个小孩的名字跟我的姓(新 : 生儿在院期间自 : 动label 母亲的姓)接近(其实就一个字母相同)。由于医师的错误的把order 放在我 : 儿子身下, : Radiologist执行了错误的指令。。。 : 医院不肯给任何的交待,包括一个最简单的道歉,我的问题是--- : 1) should I file complaint against this resident, or the hospital? : 2) Should I challenge for the qualification of his residency for this
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s*******a 发帖数: 599 | 27 Definitely complain and sue! And also try to find out how much radiation
dose your baby had during the x-ray exam. You can search online to find the
possible outcomes for that dose.
Never be too nice to those Indians! |
i*****T 发帖数: 1855 | 28 当然投诉,这要是白人小孩他早吓得尿裤子了。告死他。 |
t********e 发帖数: 1238 | 29 you can always complain or even sue them. I am one hundred percent positive.
X-ray does a lot of harm to people, especially younger ones. That's why
pregnant women should stay away from radiation.
As for young girls, they can develop breast cancer tens years later after
exposed to x-ray. no kidding.
Don't hesitate talking to the management of the hospital to get a written
promise, for you, for your little one. |
m*****s 发帖数: 1471 | 30
positive.
Where did you get this information? How about the X ray check for chest?
We all did several time for medical examinations, but of course, we are
adults already. My question is, should our annual medical examination
include chest x-ray examination?
【在 t********e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : you can always complain or even sue them. I am one hundred percent positive. : X-ray does a lot of harm to people, especially younger ones. That's why : pregnant women should stay away from radiation. : As for young girls, they can develop breast cancer tens years later after : exposed to x-ray. no kidding. : Don't hesitate talking to the management of the hospital to get a written : promise, for you, for your little one.
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t********e 发帖数: 1238 | 31 no recommendation for ladies less than 40 to do mammo. my opinion
You are suppoed to follow your doc's advice.
【在 m*****s 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : : positive. : Where did you get this information? How about the X ray check for chest? : We all did several time for medical examinations, but of course, we are : adults already. My question is, should our annual medical examination : include chest x-ray examination?
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g*****j 发帖数: 1211 | 32 Yes, this is an unfortunate mistake. You deserve an apology.
You will not be able to sue anyone, because evidence of harm is a
prerequisite for a malpractice case. A simple x-ray is not going to cause
any measurable harm. All those telling you it is common sense, do not know
medicine at all.
The resident need to take lesson. But he will not be punished, because it
is not just his fault. A mistake like this will involve many people, the
radiologist, his attending, nurse, radiology tech etc. It is a shame for
him, but he will be forgiven.
I admire you LD for his vision. It is shocking to see so many people here
would take advantage of other people's mistake to that extent. |
t*****h 发帖数: 540 | 33 resident实际上是不负责的,每个resident在rotation的时候都是由一个高年级
resident管的,出了事情是这个高年级resident负责。
不过这种事情一定要complain,美国的老印医生已经开始成灾了,曾经去过一个小医院
,整个系从director到resident已经全被换成了老印,连resident面试也只挑老印 |
J********n 发帖数: 560 | 34 INCREASE CHANCE OF CHILD LEUKEIMIA,COMMON SENSE。 |
g******e 发帖数: 998 | 35 我隐约记得小孩的事情是到多少岁都可以‘回诉’的。你如果现在不做任何事情,以后
如果有麻烦,连记录都没有。现在做了,至少留底。我要是那个医院和医生,直接
settle,防止以后麻烦。
没有必要去challenge他的residence,那不关你们的事。没有必要提‘印度’。
【在 l******2 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : enough literature state that being exposed to x-ray increases the risk of : cancer. at least to complain and at least to get their aplogy.
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m****n 发帖数: 2415 | 36 一道歉了,这个道歉就可以成为告他投诉他的一个间接证据,所以他不道歉。 |
J**G 发帖数: 3310 | 37 肯定了,找律师起诉呀的,算accident
【在 y**********7 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 很难过,因为这个住院医生的错误,我新出生的宝宝被错误的接受了X-RAy等一系列的 : 检查。医院的解 : 释是:这些检查本来是应该给另外一个小孩的,但是因为这个小孩的名字跟我的姓(新 : 生儿在院期间自 : 动label 母亲的姓)接近(其实就一个字母相同)。由于医师的错误的把order 放在我 : 儿子身下, : Radiologist执行了错误的指令。。。 : 医院不肯给任何的交待,包括一个最简单的道歉,我的问题是--- : 1) should I file complaint against this resident, or the hospital? : 2) Should I challenge for the qualification of his residency for this
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q**i 发帖数: 367 | 38 同意, 我老公他们工作的医院有一次给一个病人的xray剂量过大, 这人正好是个律师
, 起诉还是怎么, 反正最后拿到很多赔偿。
师。
【在 g***t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 这个住院医都不跟你们认错,态度这么不端正,不能就这么放过他的。 : 关于赔偿的问题,我觉得未必像上面那些人说的拿不到。具体细节不能讲,反正我认识 : 的一个人并没有上法庭,没有起诉,是通过律师,签了放弃起诉的paper,然后拿到了 : 私了赔偿,赔偿数字还是很巨大的。 : 你这个case不知道私了能否拿到和解金。但是,你至少应该尝试一下,先咨询一下律师。 : 很简单,要么私了给钱,要么就complain他,像他犯这样的错误,你complain的话,不 : 可能对他的career一点影响都没有的。看他是要career,还是要钱了。 : 不过这个都应该通过律师来做。 : 我觉得你们宝宝平白无故的做了那么多检查,不能就这么算了。 : 还有你那个老公,瞎长好心眼,对待这种态度不端正的住院医,毁灭了他的行医道路都
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f******z 发帖数: 237 | 39 Give me a break. Nobody here is taking the advantage of others' mistake.
People are just helping LZ do whatever best for her family. In the US,
nobody cares you if you do not voice for yourself. And LZ is not taking
anybody's advantage.
There are many things even the most cutting edge medicine or science cannot
handle or even explain. There are quite a few large retrospective and
prospective studies clearly indicating the association between overdosed
radiation and elevated incidence of malignancy, especially in younger ones
whose cells are still undergoing rapid replication and growth. You always
got to balance off between the risk of taking radiation exams/treatments and
the potential therapeutic or diagnostic benefits. In this case, those
radiations are totally not necessary. The resident may be able to get away
from it. But a serious complain is absolutely necessary and a formal apology
is completely warranted.
know
【在 g*****j 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Yes, this is an unfortunate mistake. You deserve an apology. : You will not be able to sue anyone, because evidence of harm is a : prerequisite for a malpractice case. A simple x-ray is not going to cause : any measurable harm. All those telling you it is common sense, do not know : medicine at all. : The resident need to take lesson. But he will not be punished, because it : is not just his fault. A mistake like this will involve many people, the : radiologist, his attending, nurse, radiology tech etc. It is a shame for : him, but he will be forgiven. : I admire you LD for his vision. It is shocking to see so many people here
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D******e 发帖数: 1085 | 40 Dont just talk the talk. If you want to sue, go find a lawyer and let us
know what happens.
If NO lawyer takes your case, you know you are a bit overacting.
Fair enough?
cannot
and
【在 f******z 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Give me a break. Nobody here is taking the advantage of others' mistake. : People are just helping LZ do whatever best for her family. In the US, : nobody cares you if you do not voice for yourself. And LZ is not taking : anybody's advantage. : There are many things even the most cutting edge medicine or science cannot : handle or even explain. There are quite a few large retrospective and : prospective studies clearly indicating the association between overdosed : radiation and elevated incidence of malignancy, especially in younger ones : whose cells are still undergoing rapid replication and growth. You always : got to balance off between the risk of taking radiation exams/treatments and
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s****o 发帖数: 488 | 41 complain is a must. This time is X-ray, next time could be somehing else to
other babies. This 印度住院医生 should know his resonsibilities. |
f*********t 发帖数: 1151 | 42 Maybe you only can get a gift card from hospital, no kidding. |
p******m 发帖数: 312 | 43 他做错了,当然要向他的上司或医院cpmplain。
不要决得自己是小题大做,自己有concern,就要说,要抱怨。老外也有很多人
concern这种辐射,或疫苗的,而且他们的反对的态度更坚决。妈妈担心初生儿
接受不应该的辐射,很正常,你向医院complain也很正常,不适小题大做。 |
f******z 发帖数: 237 | 44 Can't you read? I said a complain is a must and an apology is warranted,
even though the resident can get away from it.
If you do not understand, get a life somewhere else to get yourself out of a
newbie doctor. You know nothing about what is fair in US.
【在 D******e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Dont just talk the talk. If you want to sue, go find a lawyer and let us : know what happens. : If NO lawyer takes your case, you know you are a bit overacting. : Fair enough? : : cannot : and
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p******m 发帖数: 312 | 45 他做错了,当然要向他的上司或医院cpmplain。
不要决得自己是小题大做,自己有concern,就要说。老外也有很多人conc
ern这种辐射,或疫苗的,而且他们的反对的态度更坚决。
向这种医生出来,还不知道会害了多少人。
不论他有没有道歉,complain是你最基本的权利。支持你索求赔偿。 |
g*****j 发帖数: 1211 | 46 Please define overdosed radiation?
Do you think an x-ray is overdosed radiation?
Do you have any evidence that an x-ray in childhood carries measurable
risk?
I am not saying LZ do not deserve an apology.
All I am saying is that there is no evidence of harm, and it cannot be a
malpractice case.
Also, I don't think a doctor should be punished to lose his career for a
mistake, especially a mistake with no harm. What about the thousands of
patients he or she had cured or saved? It is probably your value,
but this is not how mistakes are handled here.
mistake.
taking
cannot
overdosed
ones
always
exams/treatments and
【在 f******z 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Give me a break. Nobody here is taking the advantage of others' mistake. : People are just helping LZ do whatever best for her family. In the US, : nobody cares you if you do not voice for yourself. And LZ is not taking : anybody's advantage. : There are many things even the most cutting edge medicine or science cannot : handle or even explain. There are quite a few large retrospective and : prospective studies clearly indicating the association between overdosed : radiation and elevated incidence of malignancy, especially in younger ones : whose cells are still undergoing rapid replication and growth. You always : got to balance off between the risk of taking radiation exams/treatments and
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b***u 发帖数: 1010 | 47 小朋友这么小受了不必要的折腾当父亲的却担心医生的前途? 小孩爸爸不是心肠好而是
糊涂不分是非. 如果不是X-RAY而是化疗之类对宝宝有很大伤害的怎么办? 如果现在看
着好象没问题将来孩子却因此而得病怎么办? 当父母的不投诉将来类似问题还会在别的
小婴儿身上发生. |
l****t 发帖数: 36289 | 48 这么粗心不负责任,楼主有必要检查下孩子是不是自己的。 |
t******u 发帖数: 876 | 49 一定要投诉
你们现在居然还担心别人的RESIDENT?
我真不能理解
X-RAY能不做,尽量不做,你现在没有办法证明有害
可是TIME上登过一个REPORT,就是X-RAY辐射激活原癌细胞,致癌.
做为父母不先保护自己孩子,反而去担心印度医生的RESIDENT,我真不能理解. |
f******z 发帖数: 237 | 50 The tumorigenic effects of many childhood exposures to carcinogens are long
term, 30 years or 40 years later, you never know. Not like Mendelian
diseases, cancers are complex multistep and multiprocess diseases which are
the interacting results of numerous low-penetrance genetic and environmental
effects. The final tumorigenesis needs accumulations of mutations and other
abnormalities. The immune and DNA repair systems of babies and young
children are not well established and their cells from some organs are still
in the phase of rapid replication and growth, all of which making them much
more susceptible to genomic insults like high energy radiations such as
gamma radiations or x rays. Normal cells needs initiation and progression to
acquire malignant capacity. High-energy radiations is one of the most
potent initiators.
If you interrogate PubMed using some keywords like childhood, radiation
exposure, cancer susceptibility, you will find tons of literatures and many
of them are the results of well-controlled observational studies published
in very high-impact journals. Although there are contradictory findings
because of heterogeneous populations or study designs, many studies strongly
indicated very significant associations.
Nobody is interested in punishing the resident and ruining his career. How
did you get that impression? Most people, including myself, suggest they
should file a complain and get an apology. But you are apparently wrong when
you said people were just trying to take advantage of others' mistakes.
That's just your assumption. You also assumed this is mistake with no harm,
which is also wrong as you never know whether or not there will something
popping up several decades later contributed or initiated by this exposure.
【在 g*****j 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Please define overdosed radiation? : Do you think an x-ray is overdosed radiation? : Do you have any evidence that an x-ray in childhood carries measurable : risk? : I am not saying LZ do not deserve an apology. : All I am saying is that there is no evidence of harm, and it cannot be a : malpractice case. : Also, I don't think a doctor should be punished to lose his career for a : mistake, especially a mistake with no harm. What about the thousands of : patients he or she had cured or saved? It is probably your value,
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g***h 发帖数: 3246 | 52 小baby太无辜啦,投诉死他,这种人以后指不定犯什么更大的错。 |
d*****t 发帖数: 7903 | 53 Do you have any evidence that an x-ray in childhood Does NOT carry
measurable
risk?
有你这样的想法真是太可怕了.我们医生告诉的孕妇都不应该接受x-ray照射的, why?
你不会是医生吧?
【在 g*****j 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Please define overdosed radiation? : Do you think an x-ray is overdosed radiation? : Do you have any evidence that an x-ray in childhood carries measurable : risk? : I am not saying LZ do not deserve an apology. : All I am saying is that there is no evidence of harm, and it cannot be a : malpractice case. : Also, I don't think a doctor should be punished to lose his career for a : mistake, especially a mistake with no harm. What about the thousands of : patients he or she had cured or saved? It is probably your value,
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y******y 发帖数: 439 | 54 我承认这个世界上没有圣人,是人都要犯错。但是,不能以此作为借口,逃避责任。做
错了事,就应该承担后果,接受教训。
【在 g*****j 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Please define overdosed radiation? : Do you think an x-ray is overdosed radiation? : Do you have any evidence that an x-ray in childhood carries measurable : risk? : I am not saying LZ do not deserve an apology. : All I am saying is that there is no evidence of harm, and it cannot be a : malpractice case. : Also, I don't think a doctor should be punished to lose his career for a : mistake, especially a mistake with no harm. What about the thousands of : patients he or she had cured or saved? It is probably your value,
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g*****j 发帖数: 1211 | 55 Well, I don't argue with your good intention, but I don't think sending
wrong information to LZ is eventually doing them good.
Many people here apparently have misconception about radiation. The
radiation from simple procedure like chest x-ray is minimal. It is <1%
of annual radiation we get by living on this planet anyway. The
literature you cited are looking at radiation from therapeutic dose in
cancer survivors, which is a totally different ballgame.
If you don't trust my words, you can check here:
http://www.new.ans.org/pi/resources/dosechart/
I said from the beginning that it a mistake, and LZ deserves an apology
from the resident and the hospital. But it is a mistake with no
measurable harm. Filing a complaint is fine, and will not ruin that
resident's career. To file a malpractice or extorting money as
suggested by some posts is an over-reaction with no benefit for LZ in
the end. Telling truth is more useful than emotional reaction.
"Nobody is interested in punishing the resident and ruining his career."
- Maybe we understand language differently, but I see people reacting
emotionally especially because the resident is an Indian. I get
disgusted by that.
long
which are
environmental
other
still
them much
as
progression to
【在 f******z 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : The tumorigenic effects of many childhood exposures to carcinogens are long : term, 30 years or 40 years later, you never know. Not like Mendelian : diseases, cancers are complex multistep and multiprocess diseases which are : the interacting results of numerous low-penetrance genetic and environmental : effects. The final tumorigenesis needs accumulations of mutations and other : abnormalities. The immune and DNA repair systems of babies and young : children are not well established and their cells from some organs are still : in the phase of rapid replication and growth, all of which making them much : more susceptible to genomic insults like high energy radiations such as : gamma radiations or x rays. Normal cells needs initiation and progression to
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d**t 发帖数: 30 | 56 Remember we are talking about a newborn baby who received large does x-ray
irradiation within a very short period (more chance to have concurrent
multiple DNA damage!).
We often use X-ray as an alternative source of gamma ray to generate worm
mutants and it works equally well !
ps, the last sentence of your reply depicts your attitude.
【在 g*****j 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Well, I don't argue with your good intention, but I don't think sending : wrong information to LZ is eventually doing them good. : Many people here apparently have misconception about radiation. The : radiation from simple procedure like chest x-ray is minimal. It is <1% : of annual radiation we get by living on this planet anyway. The : literature you cited are looking at radiation from therapeutic dose in : cancer survivors, which is a totally different ballgame. : If you don't trust my words, you can check here: : http://www.new.ans.org/pi/resources/dosechart/ : I said from the beginning that it a mistake, and LZ deserves an apology
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h***y 发帖数: 10334 | 57 心好? 搞笑..愚昧还差不多.
你应该投诉.但是不会获得赔偿(前提是没有造成实质性的伤害)
所以: 珍惜生命.远离住院医!
【在 y**********7 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 如果我投诉,是否会对他的resident有影响?LD心地好,担心这个resident 从此就 : fail掉了。 : 但是这么粗心的人会成为一个好的儿科医生吗?
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f******z 发帖数: 237 | 58 Among the so many replies in this post, I think the vast majority is to
recommend LZ to file a complaint and get an apology. This is not only a
response to the irresponsible attitude from the hospital toward their
mistakes, it is also a kind of professional way to keep a potential record
for the future that may help protect LZ’s family. There is nothing personal
towards the hospital or the nationality of the resident; it is just a
logical way to follow which could be anything but an over-reaction. In the
United States, you got to learn how to protect your loved ones following the
rules and procedures. This is totally different from what you claimed as so
many people trying to make a fortune off other’s mistake.
Now let’s come back to the diagnostic x-ray on a new born. And I really do
not understand why you are so sure and keep saying there is no harm. Do you
have any scientific or clinical evidence supporting your claim? Does your
link from ANS indicates or hints a diagnostic x-ray to a new born has no
harmful to their long term cancer risk? The answer to this question remains
unknown because it is very hard or almost impossible to conduct well-powered
and strictly-controlled population studies or randomized clinical trials
with long-term follow-up to measure the effects. And that’s why we always
have to balance off between the risks vs. benefits of all radiations even
only for diagnostic purpose. Authorities like National Cancer Institute and
American Cancer Society spend hundreds of millions of dollars to conduct
similar large population studies and clinical trials and they have
specialized committees that closely monitor the findings from these research
and amend their guideline accordingly. Even so, they do not have a study to
measure the long-term influence by diagnostic radiation on new borns as it
is almost a mission impossible. They are extremely cautious when making such
amendments which may have huge public health influences. Take an example,
the recent potential revision from ACS on whether women over 40s should get
mammography tests for breast cancer screening induced fierce debates on the
benefits from this diagnostic radiation vs. the risk from radiation and
psychological issue, etc.
I am not trying to argue with you or convince you. All I want to say is that
based on the current knowledge, we have no way to know what effects
diagnostic radiation may have on the long-term health of children. To simply
claim there is no harm associated with such tests is an irresponsible
statement not backed by scientific or clinical evidence. Parents have to
make educated research and informed decision with their physicians to
evaluate the related benefits and risks. From the perspective of population
science, it is all about possibility. What is the possibility? 10%, 1%, 0.1%
? Only God knows. If any parents do not care and can easily shrug off the
unknown increased possibility, then please ignore what I am saying there.
Otherwise, they need to take what you said with a grain of salt.
【在 g*****j 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Well, I don't argue with your good intention, but I don't think sending : wrong information to LZ is eventually doing them good. : Many people here apparently have misconception about radiation. The : radiation from simple procedure like chest x-ray is minimal. It is <1% : of annual radiation we get by living on this planet anyway. The : literature you cited are looking at radiation from therapeutic dose in : cancer survivors, which is a totally different ballgame. : If you don't trust my words, you can check here: : http://www.new.ans.org/pi/resources/dosechart/ : I said from the beginning that it a mistake, and LZ deserves an apology
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c*********o 发帖数: 1734 | 59 这种狗屎老荫就该搞死他,对这种人还怜悯,还不知道要祸害多少其他孩子呢。
【在 y**********7 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 如果我投诉,是否会对他的resident有影响?LD心地好,担心这个resident 从此就 : fail掉了。 : 但是这么粗心的人会成为一个好的儿科医生吗?
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h**********e 发帖数: 413 | 60 是欺负你呀,连道歉都没有。我宝宝照了个b超我都超不高兴,何况x-ray.
就抱着不要赔偿的目的complain 吧(免得没赔偿生气)。这人这么欺负你家人,你还不
毁了她career,留着祸害别人呢。
【在 y**********7 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 很难过,因为这个住院医生的错误,我新出生的宝宝被错误的接受了X-RAy等一系列的 : 检查。医院的解 : 释是:这些检查本来是应该给另外一个小孩的,但是因为这个小孩的名字跟我的姓(新 : 生儿在院期间自 : 动label 母亲的姓)接近(其实就一个字母相同)。由于医师的错误的把order 放在我 : 儿子身下, : Radiologist执行了错误的指令。。。 : 医院不肯给任何的交待,包括一个最简单的道歉,我的问题是--- : 1) should I file complaint against this resident, or the hospital? : 2) Should I challenge for the qualification of his residency for this
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t**d 发帖数: 57 | 61 你不需要在意医生以后会怎样,这个问题医院和医生自己会考虑
你需要考虑的是如果你的孩子以后因为这个原因得了癌症或者什么的,你怎么办,你的
孩子怎么办。
就如同你被性侵犯了,你不用考虑罪犯服刑期间会不会受苦,你应该考虑你会不会得艾
滋病,如果得了
该怎么办
【在 y**********7 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 很难过,因为这个住院医生的错误,我新出生的宝宝被错误的接受了X-RAy等一系列的 : 检查。医院的解 : 释是:这些检查本来是应该给另外一个小孩的,但是因为这个小孩的名字跟我的姓(新 : 生儿在院期间自 : 动label 母亲的姓)接近(其实就一个字母相同)。由于医师的错误的把order 放在我 : 儿子身下, : Radiologist执行了错误的指令。。。 : 医院不肯给任何的交待,包括一个最简单的道歉,我的问题是--- : 1) should I file complaint against this resident, or the hospital? : 2) Should I challenge for the qualification of his residency for this
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v********0 发帖数: 3010 | 62
i agree with you.
【在 g*****j 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Well, I don't argue with your good intention, but I don't think sending : wrong information to LZ is eventually doing them good. : Many people here apparently have misconception about radiation. The : radiation from simple procedure like chest x-ray is minimal. It is <1% : of annual radiation we get by living on this planet anyway. The : literature you cited are looking at radiation from therapeutic dose in : cancer survivors, which is a totally different ballgame. : If you don't trust my words, you can check here: : http://www.new.ans.org/pi/resources/dosechart/ : I said from the beginning that it a mistake, and LZ deserves an apology
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v********0 发帖数: 3010 | 63 i agree with you, too.
personal
the
so
【在 f******z 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Among the so many replies in this post, I think the vast majority is to : recommend LZ to file a complaint and get an apology. This is not only a : response to the irresponsible attitude from the hospital toward their : mistakes, it is also a kind of professional way to keep a potential record : for the future that may help protect LZ’s family. There is nothing personal : towards the hospital or the nationality of the resident; it is just a : logical way to follow which could be anything but an over-reaction. In the : United States, you got to learn how to protect your loved ones following the : rules and procedures. This is totally different from what you claimed as so : many people trying to make a fortune off other’s mistake.
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d***e 发帖数: 4864 | 64 At least, you should speak out for somebody, your baby! |
t**********1 发帖数: 109 | 65 天底下居然有这样的事情,太恐怖了
话说宝宝作检查的时候多大啊,是护士陪同去做的检查么?
我觉得除了这个医生,是不是还有很多人一起犯错误了/ |
A**u 发帖数: 1534 | 66 这个当然要找医院抱怨,告不告是另回事,但一定要找上级医师抱怨. |
j*****n 发帖数: 359 | 67 中国和美国不一样,宁可赔钱没有道歉
医生在没有对患者有伤害的时候是允许一定的错误的,除非以后孩子证明因为这个事情
有伤害可以追讨,你需要咨询当地律师,律师会给你说法和知道是否有办法帮助你,你
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g*****j 发帖数: 1211 | 68 Apparently everyone here is trying to help LZ. However, one should
consider whether your advice is really helping or hurting. The mistake
cannot be undone. There is no need to exaggerate the consequence of the
mistake, and urge LZ to commit in futile struggles. After all, they are
new parents and have more important things to do. The following will be
my last comments:
1) Do not exaggerate the situation. Yes, radiation is bad. But it is
all about dose. It is the cumulative dose that matters, not intensity
of exposure. There is probably controversy about safety of CT, but
there is no controversy about safety of simple X-ray. This is not a
completely unknown area. Exposure to 1-2 rad of radiation during
pregnancy, the risk of leukemia later in childhood (the most radiation
sensitive cancer) increases from 3.6 per 10,000 to 5 per 10,000, with an
absolute increase of 0.014%. Do you know how many chest x-ray it takes
to reach 1 rad of radiation? 14,286 two view chest X-ray. This is not a
risk of 10%, 1% or even 0.1% as someone suggested. It is not a
measurable risk.
2) Yes, the resident made a terrible mistake. But this is not all his
fault, as someone also mentioned. This is an event of system failure at
multiple levels. Did radiologist check indications? How did the doctor
obtain parental consent with this order? Did the nursery nurse raise
suspicion? Did the nurse notify parents of procedure? Did the
attending or senior resident check order? Medical system is designed to
have multiple check points to prevent such mistakes, and it cannot be
all his fault.
3) It is unacceptable that no one apologize to LZ. This is a mistake,
and LZ deserve an formal apology. This apology is usually given orally
by the senior attending, because junior residents are often instructed
to stay away from such situation. If that did not happen, I am all for
writing to the department chief or president of the hospital for a
complaint, as long as LZ feel comfortable doing such things at this busy
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s*****n 发帖数: 165 | 69 搞不懂一帮外行在这分析什么。。。
Google “injury lawyer”, 找几个当地的律师聊一下,如果有人愿意接你的case,你
就去打官司。官司赢或者settle之前不会收你的钱。道歉基本上是不用指望的。医院道
歉的方式就是给你写支票。 |