m**********n
发帖数: 118 | 1 刚看了国际田联的官方新闻:
http://www.iaaf.org/Mini/OLY12/News/NewsDetail.aspx?id=67328
最下端是他们的解释.明显中国队没有argue到点子上.关键是如果你选择extra throw就
不能要回原先成绩. 中国队没有说这点. 谁有兴趣来从新起草一份？
Hammer Throw Women Final – Jury of Appeal Decision
Friday 10 August 23:55
In the final of the Women’s Hammer Throw, the fifth throw of German athlete
Betty HEIDLER (bib number 1939) was measured but not entered in the data
system. The athlete was given an extra throw under protest (Rule 146.5),
which she fouled.
Chinese athlete Wenxiu ZHANG, who was in third place at that point, went
into the final round thinking she had the bronze medal.
At the end of the final round, Heidler’s throw was re-measured at 77.13
which moved her into bronze medal position.
The Chinese team lodged a protest after the end of the competition,
considering their athlete had been seriously disadvantaged by not knowing,
when she took her last attempt, that she was out of the medal positions.
The Jury of Appeal rejected the Chinese protest.Betty Heidler’s result was
however adjusted by 1 centimetre, as 77.12 was the result initially recorded
by the EDM (Electronic Distance Measurement) machine.
RULE 146
Protests and Appeals
5. In a Field Event, if an athlete makes an immediate oral protest
againsthaving a trial judged as a failure, the Referee of the event may, at
hisdiscretion, order that the trial be measured and the result recorded,
inorder to preserve the rights of all concerned. |
m*******l
发帖数: 12782 | 2 sigh
athlete
【在 m**********n 的大作中提到】
: 刚看了国际田联的官方新闻:
: http://www.iaaf.org/Mini/OLY12/News/NewsDetail.aspx?id=67328
: 最下端是他们的解释.明显中国队没有argue到点子上.关键是如果你选择extra throw就
: 不能要回原先成绩. 中国队没有说这点. 谁有兴趣来从新起草一份？
: Hammer Throw Women Final – Jury of Appeal Decision
: Friday 10 August 23:55
: In the final of the Women’s Hammer Throw, the fifth throw of German athlete
: Betty HEIDLER (bib number 1939) was measured but not entered in the data
: system. The athlete was given an extra throw under protest (Rule 146.5),
: which she fouled.
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j****e
发帖数: 12067 | |
m**********n
发帖数: 118 | 4 support.
Not knowing只是战术问题,但是take extra throw违背了公平竞争的奥运精神.就该往
这点上靠.
下次奥运会多组织点会英文的wsn给中国队做申诉志愿者. |
m**********g
发帖数: 2661 | 5 http://www.facebook.com/pages/IAAF/175174729204377?filter=1
去IAAF的facebook上留言吧，即使不能改变结果了，也应该让让别人听到我们的观点。
或许能让中国队看到也是好的，以后就知道argue的时候怎么调整思路了。 |
j****e
发帖数: 12067 | 6 但是她最远的一投不是多投的那一次，怎么办?
【在 m**********n 的大作中提到】
: support.
: Not knowing只是战术问题,但是take extra throw违背了公平竞争的奥运精神.就该往
: 这点上靠.
: 下次奥运会多组织点会英文的wsn给中国队做申诉志愿者.
|
A*****a
发帖数: 52743 | 7 奥运代表会继续招聘海外智囊团，本版几个ID都可以高薪聘用，吃喝住全包伦敦游，平
时任务专招主办国的茬，找规则可以钻的漏洞，拖垮这联那联的
【在 m**********n 的大作中提到】
: support.
: Not knowing只是战术问题,但是take extra throw违背了公平竞争的奥运精神.就该往
: 这点上靠.
: 下次奥运会多组织点会英文的wsn给中国队做申诉志愿者.
|
i******o
发帖数: 6843 | 8 拜托，当时德国队员跟其教练接受了“重投一次”就意味着他们认可了自己先前那次的
成绩无效的事实。裁判的改判决定赤果果地违反了程序正义原则
但是她最远的一投不是多投的那一次，怎么办?
【在 j****e 的大作中提到】
: 但是她最远的一投不是多投的那一次，怎么办?
|
m*******l
发帖数: 12782 | 9 ding
【在 i******o 的大作中提到】
: 拜托，当时德国队员跟其教练接受了“重投一次”就意味着他们认可了自己先前那次的
: 成绩无效的事实。裁判的改判决定赤果果地违反了程序正义原则
:
: 但是她最远的一投不是多投的那一次，怎么办?
|
c*****a
发帖数: 870 | 10 这得多脑残才不把上诉的重点放在“投掷机会不均等”上？真服了 |
|
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m**********n
发帖数: 118 | 11 Done a comment. Hope more Chinese make comments there. Chinese sport
officials are absolutely foreign to the skills of argument, where oversea
Chinese should help. |
A*****a
发帖数: 52743 | 12 他们可能觉得哪里不对劲，就是想不出来，呵呵
【在 c*****a 的大作中提到】
: 这得多脑残才不把上诉的重点放在“投掷机会不均等”上？真服了
|
j***j
发帖数: 9831 | 13 也许他们应该换一个翻译。
【在 A*****a 的大作中提到】
: 他们可能觉得哪里不对劲，就是想不出来，呵呵
|
i******o
发帖数: 6843 | 14 转个练田径出身的世姐张梓琳的微博
@张梓琳: 链球是技术最复杂的田径项目，堪比撑杆跳的难度。由于技术难度高而导致
了成绩稳定性低，因此链球决赛选手每人仅有的六次投掷机会中每一次都极为宝贵！这
个裁判的做法相当于多给了德国选手一次投掷机会，这对其它选手太不公平！！
【在 c*****a 的大作中提到】
: 这得多脑残才不把上诉的重点放在“投掷机会不均等”上？真服了
|
J******e
发帖数: 263 | 15 唉。 怪不得伸诉都没成功，诉状写的不好。置少是部分源因。 |
A*****a
发帖数: 52743 | 16 妈的，原来是官员太蠢
【在 i******o 的大作中提到】
: 转个练田径出身的世姐张梓琳的微博
: @张梓琳: 链球是技术最复杂的田径项目，堪比撑杆跳的难度。由于技术难度高而导致
: 了成绩稳定性低，因此链球决赛选手每人仅有的六次投掷机会中每一次都极为宝贵！这
: 个裁判的做法相当于多给了德国选手一次投掷机会，这对其它选手太不公平！！
|
m**********g
发帖数: 2661 | 17 握手。
【在 m**********n 的大作中提到】
: Done a comment. Hope more Chinese make comments there. Chinese sport
: officials are absolutely foreign to the skills of argument, where oversea
: Chinese should help.
|
t*******3
发帖数: 2005 | 18 In a Field Event, if an athlete makes an immediate oral protest
againsthaving a trial judged as a failure, the Referee of the event may, at
hisdiscretion, order that the trial be measured and the result recorded,
inorder to preserve the rights of all concerned.If the protested trial
occurred:(a)during the first three rounds of trials of a horizontal Field
Eventin which more than eight athletes are competing, and the athletewould
advance to the final three rounds of trials only if theprotest or subsequent
appeal was upheld; or(b)in a vertical Field Event, where the athlete would
advance to ahigher height only if the protest or subsequent appeal is upheld
,the Referee may allow the athlete to continue competing to preservethe
rights of all concerned. The protested performance of the athleteand any
other performance achieved by him while competing underprotest will become
valid only if a subsequent decision to that effectis made by the Referee or
an appeal to the Jury of Appeal is made andit is upheld. |
d*o
发帖数: 2345 | |
w**o
发帖数: 15 | 20 这里引用的Rule 146.5并没有提到允许extra throw, 只是说可以手动测量和记录成绩
关键是对于这个extra throw有无明文规定，是否符合规则，以及两次成绩的优先顺序
athlete
【在 m**********n 的大作中提到】
: 刚看了国际田联的官方新闻:
: http://www.iaaf.org/Mini/OLY12/News/NewsDetail.aspx?id=67328
: 最下端是他们的解释.明显中国队没有argue到点子上.关键是如果你选择extra throw就
: 不能要回原先成绩. 中国队没有说这点. 谁有兴趣来从新起草一份？
: Hammer Throw Women Final – Jury of Appeal Decision
: Friday 10 August 23:55
: In the final of the Women’s Hammer Throw, the fifth throw of German athlete
: Betty HEIDLER (bib number 1939) was measured but not entered in the data
: system. The athlete was given an extra throw under protest (Rule 146.5),
: which she fouled.
|
|
|
t*******3
发帖数: 2005 | 21 1.Protests concerning the status of an athlete to participate in
acompetition must be made, prior to the commencement of suchcompetition, to
the Technical Delegate(s). Once the TechnicalDelegate(s) make a decision,
there shall be a right of appeal to theJury of Appeal. If the matter cannot
be settled satisfactorily prior tothe competition, the athlete shall be
allowed to compete “underprotest” and the matter be referred to the
Council or the relevant body. |
J******e
发帖数: 263 | 22 这事不能就完了。能不能再appeal？或上仲裁法庭？ |
t*******3
发帖数: 2005 | 23 看这一条:
1.Protests concerning the status of an athlete to participate in
acompetition must be made, prior to the commencement of such competition, to
the Technical Delegate(s). Once the TechnicalDelegate(s) make a decision,
there shall be a right of appeal to the Jury of Appeal. If the matter cannot
be settled satisfactorily prior to the competition, the athlete shall be
allowed to compete “under protest” and the matter be referred to the
Council or the relevant body.
【在 w**o 的大作中提到】
: 这里引用的Rule 146.5并没有提到允许extra throw, 只是说可以手动测量和记录成绩
: 关键是对于这个extra throw有无明文规定，是否符合规则，以及两次成绩的优先顺序
:
: athlete
|
m**********n
发帖数: 118 | 24 Right. We should let Chinese officials know how to argue.
【在 J******e 的大作中提到】
: 这事不能就完了。能不能再appeal？或上仲裁法庭？
|
w**o
发帖数: 15 | 25 按我的理解，这条似乎没有关系，只是说涉及到运动员能否参加下一场比赛的资格的时候
如何处理，不是比赛中的一次试投，而且就算allowed to compete under protest, 也未
提及extra throw
to
cannot
【在 t*******3 的大作中提到】
: 看这一条:
: 1.Protests concerning the status of an athlete to participate in
: acompetition must be made, prior to the commencement of such competition, to
: the Technical Delegate(s). Once the TechnicalDelegate(s) make a decision,
: there shall be a right of appeal to the Jury of Appeal. If the matter cannot
: be settled satisfactorily prior to the competition, the athlete shall be
: allowed to compete “under protest” and the matter be referred to the
: Council or the relevant body.
|
t*******3
发帖数: 2005 | 26 有关系,因为裁判可以声称当时不知道成绩未能录入的原因,算是allowed to compete
under
protest
时候
也未
【在 w**o 的大作中提到】
: 按我的理解，这条似乎没有关系，只是说涉及到运动员能否参加下一场比赛的资格的时候
: 如何处理，不是比赛中的一次试投，而且就算allowed to compete under protest, 也未
: 提及extra throw
:
: to
: cannot
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w**o
发帖数: 15 | 27 你再仔细看看你引的那段规则，说的是关系到status to participate in a
competition
的时候，比如进决赛的资格，如果在决赛开始之前未能确定，应该允许其参加比赛
【在 t*******3 的大作中提到】
: 有关系,因为裁判可以声称当时不知道成绩未能录入的原因,算是allowed to compete
: under
: protest
:
: 时候
: 也未
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a*******u
发帖数: 637 | |
s**e
发帖数: 1834 | 29 跟帝国主义打官司，应该把薄谷放出来。大英若不服，薄谷再放胜负手。
athlete
【在 m**********n 的大作中提到】
: 刚看了国际田联的官方新闻:
: http://www.iaaf.org/Mini/OLY12/News/NewsDetail.aspx?id=67328
: 最下端是他们的解释.明显中国队没有argue到点子上.关键是如果你选择extra throw就
: 不能要回原先成绩. 中国队没有说这点. 谁有兴趣来从新起草一份？
: Hammer Throw Women Final – Jury of Appeal Decision
: Friday 10 August 23:55
: In the final of the Women’s Hammer Throw, the fifth throw of German athlete
: Betty HEIDLER (bib number 1939) was measured but not entered in the data
: system. The athlete was given an extra throw under protest (Rule 146.5),
: which she fouled.
|
A*****a
发帖数: 52743 | 30 被自己人先整掉了，应该要求戴罪立功
throw就
data
【在 s**e 的大作中提到】
: 跟帝国主义打官司，应该把薄谷放出来。大英若不服，薄谷再放胜负手。
:
: athlete
|
|
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t*******3
发帖数: 2005 | 31 你说的有道理,不过这样的判罚是有先例的:
Paul Jessup was the world record holder, having thrown 51.73 (169-8¾)
in 1930 and had won the AAU in 1930-31. But the best thrower in 1932 was
John Anderson, who on the AAU and the Olympic Trials. Anderson led from
round two, with 48.86 (160-3¾), and improved that in rounds three and
four, with 49.39 (162-0½) and 49.49 (162-4½). In round four
Frenchman Jules Noël got off a big throw. He was helped by his
hydration plan. Though the US was in the midst of prohibition and alcoholic
beverages were outlawed, Noël convinced US officials that wine was an
essential part of his diet. He snuck into the tunnel of the stadium to drink
in between rounds. On his big fourth round throw, his discus landed out
beyond Anderson’s leading 49.39 (162-0½) mark. But the officials
were watching the pole vault and did not see it land. Noël was given an
extra throw but could not produce his top throw again and he would
eventually place fourth. Anderson had the four longest throws of the
competition, not counting Noël’s un-measured toss.
【在 w**o 的大作中提到】
: 你再仔细看看你引的那段规则，说的是关系到status to participate in a
: competition
: 的时候，比如进决赛的资格，如果在决赛开始之前未能确定，应该允许其参加比赛
|
m**********n
发帖数: 118 | 32 The case actually favors Zhang Yunxiu. Anderson was the champion and Noel
placed fourth.
Shame on Brits not follow their own rules. |
k*****e
发帖数: 93 | 33 没办法。国内不让上访，平时得不到练习申诉。
只会在国内欺负自己人。
【在 J******e 的大作中提到】
: 唉。 怪不得伸诉都没成功，诉状写的不好。置少是部分源因。
|
l*****8
发帖数: 16949 | 34 算了，不说你的智商了。您太那衣服了。你以为抓博古是为了讨好英帝国主义？
【在 s**e 的大作中提到】
: 跟帝国主义打官司，应该把薄谷放出来。大英若不服，薄谷再放胜负手。
:
: athlete
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k*****e
发帖数: 93 | 35 没办法。国内不让上访，得不到练习。
只会在国内欺负自己人。 |
s**e
发帖数: 1834 | 36 怎么跟智商和讨好英帝国主义都扯上了，都哪和哪啊。
博古以前自吹善打官司。
【在 l*****8 的大作中提到】
: 算了，不说你的智商了。您太那衣服了。你以为抓博古是为了讨好英帝国主义？
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d*o
发帖数: 2345 | 37 是，怎么联系链球教练和张文秀
告诉他们这个先例
【在 m**********n 的大作中提到】
: The case actually favors Zhang Yunxiu. Anderson was the champion and Noel
: placed fourth.
: Shame on Brits not follow their own rules.
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y**c
发帖数: 583 | |
