g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 1 TFP vs. iPad2的 shawdow gun demo。很明显，iPad2上根本就没做
水的涟漪倒影这些东西，细节上比Android差了一个档次。比忘了
TFP需要多render 30%的像素。
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dN5AitoYZA
并且有review说，这是iOS上渲染质量最高的游戏。
http://www.todaysiphone.com/2011/10/shadowgun-for-iphone-review
[quote]
That said, Shadowgun is, inarguably, one of the only (if not the only)
game of its size on iOS that can truly match console games in look and
feel. It’s probably a little ahead of it’s time in that respect.
[/quote] |
w********2
发帖数: 16371 | 2 the developer didn't do the optimization. the A5 gpu power is listed there
black and white, a good game developer could leverage it.
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: TFP vs. iPad2的 shawdow gun demo。很明显，iPad2上根本就没做
: 水的涟漪倒影这些东西，细节上比Android差了一个档次。比忘了
: TFP需要多render 30%的像素。
: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dN5AitoYZA
: 并且有review说，这是iOS上渲染质量最高的游戏。
: http://www.todaysiphone.com/2011/10/shadowgun-for-iphone-review
: [quote]
: That said, Shadowgun is, inarguably, one of the only (if not the only)
: game of its size on iOS that can truly match console games in look and
: feel. It’s probably a little ahead of it’s time in that respect.
|
g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 3 That at least contradicts the Android is the stepson statement.
And this is a premier game.
【在 w********2 的大作中提到】
: the developer didn't do the optimization. the A5 gpu power is listed there
: black and white, a good game developer could leverage it.
|
w********2
发帖数: 16371 | 4 there are plenty market report indicate iOS is still the first choice.
if a game company has limited resource and want to make money plus they don'
t rely on google's sponsorship (for example free topline phones from google
io conference as the candy), they will first make the game available on iOS.
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: That at least contradicts the Android is the stepson statement.
: And this is a premier game.
|
g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 5 Well, according to this review in October. All the claims that
iOS is a better game platform apparently have no merit. If the best
of the breed game doesn't match its Android peer. Any speculation is
pale. And as I said, although iOS users are more willing to pay, the
number of Android users is too big to ignore.
http://www.todaysiphone.com/2011/10/shadowgun-for-iphone-review
[quote]
That said, Shadowgun is, inarguably, one of the only (if not the only)
game of its size on iOS that can truly match console games in look and
feel. It’s probably a little ahead of it’s time in that respect.
[/quote]
don'
google
iOS.
【在 w********2 的大作中提到】
: there are plenty market report indicate iOS is still the first choice.
: if a game company has limited resource and want to make money plus they don'
: t rely on google's sponsorship (for example free topline phones from google
: io conference as the candy), they will first make the game available on iOS.
|
a********m
发帖数: 15480 | 6 游戏开发有时候不是平台本身的问题，还是看开发组在哪个平台下功夫多。对很多组来
说ios引擎应该早很多，结构设计也是根据nextstep的结构设计的，然后移植到android
，结构上总会吃点亏。这个问题慢慢会好起来。
当然java还是有些天生劣势。
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: Well, according to this review in October. All the claims that
: iOS is a better game platform apparently have no merit. If the best
: of the breed game doesn't match its Android peer. Any speculation is
: pale. And as I said, although iOS users are more willing to pay, the
: number of Android users is too big to ignore.
: http://www.todaysiphone.com/2011/10/shadowgun-for-iphone-review
: [quote]
: That said, Shadowgun is, inarguably, one of the only (if not the only)
: game of its size on iOS that can truly match console games in look and
: feel. It’s probably a little ahead of it’s time in that respect.
|
f*******5
发帖数: 10321 | 7 这游戏就是逼着苹果加内存
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: TFP vs. iPad2的 shawdow gun demo。很明显，iPad2上根本就没做
: 水的涟漪倒影这些东西，细节上比Android差了一个档次。比忘了
: TFP需要多render 30%的像素。
: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dN5AitoYZA
: 并且有review说，这是iOS上渲染质量最高的游戏。
: http://www.todaysiphone.com/2011/10/shadowgun-for-iphone-review
: [quote]
: That said, Shadowgun is, inarguably, one of the only (if not the only)
: game of its size on iOS that can truly match console games in look and
: feel. It’s probably a little ahead of it’s time in that respect.
|
h******b
发帖数: 6055 | 8 This game was out for IOS first and ported to Android later because Unity engine allows easy ports. It sold very poorly on Android market just like GTA3.
The version you linked is a special version made for Tegra 3 bought by
Nvidia to preload on the new tablet. A5 iPad gpu > tegra 3 according to Anandtech benchmarks and tegra 3 not even out yet! iPad 3 will beat it even more.
The version you can buy in Android market today does not have those effects.
Mika (developer of many big hits on both platforms like Zombieville, Battle Heart, his games hit number 1 on each store before) using Unity replied to my thread, see first post on page 3 below. Android is 5 percent of his iOS revenue this year.
http://toucharcade.com/forums/showthread.php?s=9ae99a17589ad791
He wrote a great blog:
http://mikamobile.blogspot.com/2011/06/android.html?m=1
His game Battle Heart is now top 50 on Android market, not even top 200 on iOS, yet iOS still sells more. Apple also handles customer service and billing for him. He was very frustrated with refunds and billing on Android.
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g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 9 LOL, TFP will hit market next week, tons of reviews have been there.
We are not talking about prototype. In any sense, it shows how tegra3
is superior to A5 with proper optimization. And I don't think offscreen
benchmark is that meaningful. After all, A5 has been there since March.
There's no resonable explanation why the iOS counterpart hasn't been
optimized or improved with the same rendering details.
engine allows easy ports. It sold very poorly on Android market just like
GTA3.
Anandtech and tegra 3 not even out yet!
effects.
【在 h******b 的大作中提到】
: This game was out for IOS first and ported to Android later because Unity engine allows easy ports. It sold very poorly on Android market just like GTA3.
: The version you linked is a special version made for Tegra 3 bought by
: Nvidia to preload on the new tablet. A5 iPad gpu > tegra 3 according to Anandtech benchmarks and tegra 3 not even out yet! iPad 3 will beat it even more.
: The version you can buy in Android market today does not have those effects.
: Mika (developer of many big hits on both platforms like Zombieville, Battle Heart, his games hit number 1 on each store before) using Unity replied to my thread, see first post on page 3 below. Android is 5 percent of his iOS revenue this year.
: http://toucharcade.com/forums/showthread.php?s=9ae99a17589ad791
: He wrote a great blog:
: http://mikamobile.blogspot.com/2011/06/android.html?m=1
: His game Battle Heart is now top 50 on Android market, not even top 200 on iOS, yet iOS still sells more. Apple also handles customer service and billing for him. He was very frustrated with refunds and billing on Android.
: ★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb - 中文网站浏览器
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w********2
发帖数: 16371 | 10 i donna how do you define the best of the breed.
shadow gun using the engine that has no optimization for apple A5 (which
made shadow gun could even run with similar effect on iPhone 3GS), actually
they made optimization for the Tegra chip.
so what you compared is not a reasonable comparison.
it is almost a fact that A5 has much better graphics processing power than
other chips Android phone is using. And considering android just started put
more effort in hardware acceleration, there is almost no way you could
really find a similar game to compare the new infinity blade 2 (the iPhone
4s/ipad2 optimized version which brought in a lot of light and shadow effect
and detail texture rendering) on android. |
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T****n
发帖数: 6187 | 11 Hum~ interesting discussion
A5 hardware advantage vs Better game experience on Android >( |
w********2
发帖数: 16371 | 12 better gaming experience on android?
not yet.
maybe coming,
maybe soon :) (if apple don't move fast enough, android is moving fast
already)
【在 T****n 的大作中提到】
: Hum~ interesting discussion
: A5 hardware advantage vs Better game experience on Android >(
|
g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 13 Infinity Blade is absent from Android due to the developer's
decision. They are afraid of piracy and that's nothing performance
related.
It's fairly easy to disable certain features on lower end phone
using the same app. That shadow gun thing is not a good excuse.
We have to compare apple to apple.
In the slashgear demo TFP beats iPad2 handily in both games.
http://www.slashgear.com/asus-transformer-prime-vs-ipad-2-side-
I'd call A5's superior A5 propaganda until the rendering effects
are proven otherwise. Never mind the 30% pixel difference in the first place.
In any sense, if these demo do not prove Android is a better gaming
platform, it at least proves it's a capable platform. And plug in
a game control using USB, a HDMI cable to TV. That's a much better
experience than getting robbed by Apple again for those proprietary
connectors.
actually
put
effect
【在 w********2 的大作中提到】
: i donna how do you define the best of the breed.
: shadow gun using the engine that has no optimization for apple A5 (which
: made shadow gun could even run with similar effect on iPhone 3GS), actually
: they made optimization for the Tegra chip.
: so what you compared is not a reasonable comparison.
: it is almost a fact that A5 has much better graphics processing power than
: other chips Android phone is using. And considering android just started put
: more effort in hardware acceleration, there is almost no way you could
: really find a similar game to compare the new infinity blade 2 (the iPhone
: 4s/ipad2 optimized version which brought in a lot of light and shadow effect
|
T****n
发帖数: 6187 | 14 the graphics are much better on Android in this shadowgun demo.
This IS user experience.It's already happened, right?
The interesting part in this thread is that Apple supporters now start
taking about hardware advantage instead of user experience. That is
something rare.
【在 w********2 的大作中提到】
: better gaming experience on android?
: not yet.
: maybe coming,
: maybe soon :) (if apple don't move fast enough, android is moving fast
: already)
|
a9
发帖数: 21638 | 15 这些做游戏的应该不会用java画吧？坑爹啊。
android
【在 a********m 的大作中提到】
: 游戏开发有时候不是平台本身的问题，还是看开发组在哪个平台下功夫多。对很多组来
: 说ios引擎应该早很多，结构设计也是根据nextstep的结构设计的，然后移植到android
: ，结构上总会吃点亏。这个问题慢慢会好起来。
: 当然java还是有些天生劣势。
|
w********2
发帖数: 16371 | 16 I believe if this game made A5 optimization, you will see better graphics on
ios devices.
if as goodbug talking about the experience of easy hooking up game
controller etc.. that will make some points... not the graphics at this
moment.
I am pretty sure A5 is still lead in graphics now.
【在 T****n 的大作中提到】
: the graphics are much better on Android in this shadowgun demo.
: This IS user experience.It's already happened, right?
: The interesting part in this thread is that Apple supporters now start
: taking about hardware advantage instead of user experience. That is
: something rare.
|
g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 17 The point is that we don't know if A5 can deliver that kind of rendering
effect.
iPad2 is out for 9 months already. It's hard to believe optimization like
that
hasn't been done for a premier game. Shadowgun is a popular game on iOS too.
There's no point not to raise the bar by now.
I have to see it to believe it.
on
----
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【在 w********2 的大作中提到】
: I believe if this game made A5 optimization, you will see better graphics on
: ios devices.
: if as goodbug talking about the experience of easy hooking up game
: controller etc.. that will make some points... not the graphics at this
: moment.
: I am pretty sure A5 is still lead in graphics now.
|
w********2
发帖数: 16371 | 18 as I said you could watch the infiity blade2
watch the trailer of this game on :
http://youtu.be/Xs5ddFlc5Tw
pay attention to the small flowers and leaves in the air
and the light shining from the sky when you fight against a bosss
too.
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: The point is that we don't know if A5 can deliver that kind of rendering
: effect.
: iPad2 is out for 9 months already. It's hard to believe optimization like
: that
: hasn't been done for a premier game. Shadowgun is a popular game on iOS too.
: There's no point not to raise the bar by now.
: I have to see it to believe it.
:
: on
: ----
|
w********2
发帖数: 16371 | 19 as for why the so far best visual game is not avaliable on android:
"When a consumer gets the phone and they wanna play a game that uses our
technology, it's got to be a consistent experience, and we can't guarantee
that [on Android]. That's what held us off of Android," he said.
(Epic boss Tim Sweeney )
dont' forget the andry bird developer compalined about the fragmentation
issue on android platforms.
please also see their comments:
place.
than
iPhone
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: Infinity Blade is absent from Android due to the developer's
: decision. They are afraid of piracy and that's nothing performance
: related.
: It's fairly easy to disable certain features on lower end phone
: using the same app. That shadow gun thing is not a good excuse.
: We have to compare apple to apple.
: In the slashgear demo TFP beats iPad2 handily in both games.
: http://www.slashgear.com/asus-transformer-prime-vs-ipad-2-side-
: I'd call A5's superior A5 propaganda until the rendering effects
: are proven otherwise. Never mind the 30% pixel difference in the first place.
|
g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 20 The effect is great, but it's trailer and trailer doesn't count.
I'd been in gaming industry a few years to know some tricks.
【在 w********2 的大作中提到】
: as I said you could watch the infiity blade2
: watch the trailer of this game on :
: http://youtu.be/Xs5ddFlc5Tw
: pay attention to the small flowers and leaves in the air
: and the light shining from the sky when you fight against a bosss
:
: too.
|
h******b
发帖数: 6055 | 21 Once again, the games you linked are SPECIAL versions NOT available on
Android market, PRELOADED on Tegra 3 to sell the new tablet. There is
exactly one Android device which is not even available in mass that can use this version.
Nvidia paid for this development and made it exclusive. Those developers
would have never bothered otherwise because of very poor sales for those
games. Shadowgun sold 50000-100000 copies on Android market.
IOS has far far far more graphic intensive games (Infinity Blade, Epoch, Dark Meadows, just to name a few) because apps actually sell there. Both games were available on IOS for months before they came out for Android. Android is second class citizen unless Google can provide a more profitable environment. Nvidia and Tegra Zone just adds more fragmentation. Normal users do not know what chain fire is and games for tegra zone can not be played on Galaxy devices.
No one in their right mind would think Android gaming is anywhere near iOS right now. Unless you want to wait for months for new releases that may or may not work for your device (and generally not as optimized. Hell many of the iOS top selling games are not even on Android, because android users don't pay.
too.
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【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: The point is that we don't know if A5 can deliver that kind of rendering
: effect.
: iPad2 is out for 9 months already. It's hard to believe optimization like
: that
: hasn't been done for a premier game. Shadowgun is a popular game on iOS too.
: There's no point not to raise the bar by now.
: I have to see it to believe it.
:
: on
: ----
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m****u
发帖数: 3915 | |
