M*****5
发帖数: 627 | 1 实在不习惯WIN8，不过看ＢＥＳＴＢＵＹ里面蓝瓦哇的一片统统
是８，想买７都买不来。感觉ＭＳ说不定还是能一统江湖。ＢＢ
进了这么多８估计卖的还可以吧。 |
a*****y
发帖数: 33185 | 2 8被当作vista呢？
【在 M*****5 的大作中提到】
: 实在不习惯WIN8，不过看ＢＥＳＴＢＵＹ里面蓝瓦哇的一片统统
: 是８，想买７都买不来。感觉ＭＳ说不定还是能一统江湖。ＢＢ
: 进了这么多８估计卖的还可以吧。
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r**********g
发帖数: 22734 | 3 Vista也比其他所有系统卖得多啊……
【在 a*****y 的大作中提到】
: 8被当作vista呢？
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k***0
发帖数: 1381 | 4 ms要是就这点追求，那真是离死不远了
【在 r**********g 的大作中提到】
: Vista也比其他所有系统卖得多啊……
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a*****y
发帖数: 33185 | 5 那用户别跳8,还是等9吧
【在 r**********g 的大作中提到】
: Vista也比其他所有系统卖得多啊……
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h******k
发帖数: 810 | 6 以后的潮流是家里就留一台desktop/laptop，其它的phone/tablet/console/set top都
能搞定了，系统好不好用大家也不care了。 |
r**********g
发帖数: 22734 | 7 谁知道有啥追求，赚钱就是了呗
【在 k***0 的大作中提到】
: ms要是就这点追求，那真是离死不远了
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h****a
发帖数: 1098 | 8 I were planning to purchase a ultrabook next month. After visting Bestbuy
and being fed up with the ulgy GUI of Windows 8, I decided to delay this
purchase. |
s*****m
发帖数: 13092 | 9 The GUI will be here to stay for at least several years. It doesn't make
sense to delay purchase. You either use Win 7, or jump to Mac.
【在 h****a 的大作中提到】
: I were planning to purchase a ultrabook next month. After visting Bestbuy
: and being fed up with the ulgy GUI of Windows 8, I decided to delay this
: purchase.
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k***0
发帖数: 1381 | 10 也许下一版win就改了。MS步子一次比一次大
【在 s*****m 的大作中提到】
: The GUI will be here to stay for at least several years. It doesn't make
: sense to delay purchase. You either use Win 7, or jump to Mac.
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G*****h
发帖数: 33134 | 11 不过开始菜单本来也该 stay for at least several years 的
结果被软软砍了，所以软软活该挨骂啊
【在 s*****m 的大作中提到】
: The GUI will be here to stay for at least several years. It doesn't make
: sense to delay purchase. You either use Win 7, or jump to Mac.
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r****y
发帖数: 26819 | 12 微软的win8在这一点没有脱离它现在的本质：就是为企业用户做软件的。
metro说实在的倒是个无厘头，只能说是个尝试。metro想把一个企业桌面系统包装给个
人用，但是问题很多。
【在 G*****h 的大作中提到】
: 不过开始菜单本来也该 stay for at least several years 的
: 结果被软软砍了，所以软软活该挨骂啊
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G*****h
发帖数: 33134 | 13 难道企业用户想砍掉 start button？
别开玩笑了
做这个决定的人，ss 肯定是一个，现任的 Larson 是 ss 的手下
肯定当时也是支持这个决定的
所以 win9 估计还是老样子
犯了错误还死扛，白脖子的通病
只有换人才能解决，还得是另外一种方案，不能直接把 start button 放回来
【在 r****y 的大作中提到】
: 微软的win8在这一点没有脱离它现在的本质：就是为企业用户做软件的。
: metro说实在的倒是个无厘头，只能说是个尝试。metro想把一个企业桌面系统包装给个
: 人用，但是问题很多。
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r****y
发帖数: 26819 | 14 砍掉start属于metro的努力方向。企业用户不用start其实也没啥。
当然，只是个人体验，不代表大众。。。
【在 G*****h 的大作中提到】
: 难道企业用户想砍掉 start button？
: 别开玩笑了
: 做这个决定的人，ss 肯定是一个，现任的 Larson 是 ss 的手下
: 肯定当时也是支持这个决定的
: 所以 win9 估计还是老样子
: 犯了错误还死扛，白脖子的通病
: 只有换人才能解决，还得是另外一种方案，不能直接把 start button 放回来
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G*****h
发帖数: 33134 | 15 靠，企业用户来说说，有几个 app 是 metro 的？
且不说企业内部的 app 了
【在 r****y 的大作中提到】
: 砍掉start属于metro的努力方向。企业用户不用start其实也没啥。
: 当然，只是个人体验，不代表大众。。。
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g***u
发帖数: 5413 | 16 连server 2012都搞metro
【在 r****y 的大作中提到】
: 微软的win8在这一点没有脱离它现在的本质：就是为企业用户做软件的。
: metro说实在的倒是个无厘头，只能说是个尝试。metro想把一个企业桌面系统包装给个
: 人用，但是问题很多。
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r****y
发帖数: 26819 | 17 常用的可以用快捷方式启动，不常用的搜索。
实在不习惯的，可以把start加回来。
【在 G*****h 的大作中提到】
: 靠，企业用户来说说，有几个 app 是 metro 的？
: 且不说企业内部的 app 了
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r****y
发帖数: 26819 | 18 这是行为艺术。哈哈
【在 g***u 的大作中提到】
: 连server 2012都搞metro
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c****7
发帖数: 838 | 19 企业用户可不敢升级win8,很多还在用xp呢， 升级win8的成本太高，所有人都得重新培
训， 所以win7可能成为另一个xp. |
r****y
发帖数: 26819 | 20 买新机器的就自动升级了。微软也就是靠这个顶着吧。
其实定制一下，win8，win7也没啥大区别。
【在 c****7 的大作中提到】
: 企业用户可不敢升级win8,很多还在用xp呢， 升级win8的成本太高，所有人都得重新培
: 训， 所以win7可能成为另一个xp.
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c****7
发帖数: 838 | 21 至少现在dell的商用机还是win7, 以后就不知道了，虽然可以定制，可是很多软件不一
定兼容。
【在 r****y 的大作中提到】
: 买新机器的就自动升级了。微软也就是靠这个顶着吧。
: 其实定制一下，win8，win7也没啥大区别。
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h****a
发帖数: 1098 | 22 That is the plan!
【在 s*****m 的大作中提到】
: The GUI will be here to stay for at least several years. It doesn't make
: sense to delay purchase. You either use Win 7, or jump to Mac.
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s*****m
发帖数: 13092 | 23 Good for you
【在 h****a 的大作中提到】
: That is the plan!
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o******l
发帖数: 828 | 24 metro界面就是start menu. 企业用户就不非是一级一级跟着升的。xp和vista有动力。
【在 G*****h 的大作中提到】
: 难道企业用户想砍掉 start button？
: 别开玩笑了
: 做这个决定的人，ss 肯定是一个，现任的 Larson 是 ss 的手下
: 肯定当时也是支持这个决定的
: 所以 win9 估计还是老样子
: 犯了错误还死扛，白脖子的通病
: 只有换人才能解决，还得是另外一种方案，不能直接把 start button 放回来
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S********r
发帖数: 413 | 25 Actually although I like win8, I don't think the metro UI can equal start
menu.
Star menu is a "menu" with many levels. Metro UI is flatten. Everything on
same level. Even you can group some tiles, it's still not as organized as a
"menu" structure.
And for many people, when they go to PC, on the original desktop what they
are looking for is a "file", like doc, pic, movie, spreadsheet; not an app.
They find the file, double click it then windows pick the app to open it.
Now from Metro UI, what they first see is apps, it felt like you had to pick
an app first then to open the file. So the workflow is kinda reversed. It's
not difficult to do, but it's confusing at first.
【在 o******l 的大作中提到】
: metro界面就是start menu. 企业用户就不非是一级一级跟着升的。xp和vista有动力。
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s*****m
发帖数: 13092 | 26 你在win7底下登录就找文件而不是去task bar找程序图标?
a
.
pick
's
【在 S********r 的大作中提到】
: Actually although I like win8, I don't think the metro UI can equal start
: menu.
: Star menu is a "menu" with many levels. Metro UI is flatten. Everything on
: same level. Even you can group some tiles, it's still not as organized as a
: "menu" structure.
: And for many people, when they go to PC, on the original desktop what they
: are looking for is a "file", like doc, pic, movie, spreadsheet; not an app.
: They find the file, double click it then windows pick the app to open it.
: Now from Metro UI, what they first see is apps, it felt like you had to pick
: an app first then to open the file. So the workflow is kinda reversed. It's
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b********7
发帖数: 12906 | 27 you are right about seeing apps first. this is copied from ipad and andoid
devices. good or bad is not i'm talking about here. But it seems like the
designer of metro ui believed that lots of the people out there in the world
are already familar with seeing apps instead of files. think about it, if
you are using ipad or an andoid tablet, do you select a file and let the OS
pick an app to open it for you, or do you first open an app and let it open/
play a file?
i don't know which way is better. but at least win8 provides both options (
from metro and from traditional desktop). many people here think these are
conflicting. personally i see them as choices.
a
.
pick
's
【在 S********r 的大作中提到】
: Actually although I like win8, I don't think the metro UI can equal start
: menu.
: Star menu is a "menu" with many levels. Metro UI is flatten. Everything on
: same level. Even you can group some tiles, it's still not as organized as a
: "menu" structure.
: And for many people, when they go to PC, on the original desktop what they
: are looking for is a "file", like doc, pic, movie, spreadsheet; not an app.
: They find the file, double click it then windows pick the app to open it.
: Now from Metro UI, what they first see is apps, it felt like you had to pick
: an app first then to open the file. So the workflow is kinda reversed. It's
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S********r
发帖数: 413 | 28 Just take a look at a typical user's windows desktop, you will see what I
mean. Lots of icons, word doc, spread sheet, pic...Yes, most people come to
pc to open a "file" not to open an app.
Actually, apps oriented is probably why sometimes people feel they are
limited under iOS and Android OS because they don't feel they are in control
of the content, in another word, "file". It's OK for iOS and android since
people mostly just consume content on them. But for PC, people are expecting
to manage their files here. Press win+D or click on desktop tile is a small
and easy step, but like I said, it's a reverse of people's usual workflow.
So it's a big deal escpecially for those already use PC for many years. |
b********7
发帖数: 12906 | 29 like i said, win8 provides both options and it's up to the users to choose
which one to go with. i agree that the transition is not smooth enough and
the idea is not clearly conveyed (damn those marketing guys from MS. they
are nothing but stupid).
to
control
since
expecting
small
.
【在 S********r 的大作中提到】
: Just take a look at a typical user's windows desktop, you will see what I
: mean. Lots of icons, word doc, spread sheet, pic...Yes, most people come to
: pc to open a "file" not to open an app.
: Actually, apps oriented is probably why sometimes people feel they are
: limited under iOS and Android OS because they don't feel they are in control
: of the content, in another word, "file". It's OK for iOS and android since
: people mostly just consume content on them. But for PC, people are expecting
: to manage their files here. Press win+D or click on desktop tile is a small
: and easy step, but like I said, it's a reverse of people's usual workflow.
: So it's a big deal escpecially for those already use PC for many years.
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S********r
发帖数: 413 | 30 MS should give user more choices such as boot directly into either Metro or
Classic desktop mode.
But then, my speculation is it would be difficult for MS to justify a full
charge for win8 especially for most pc users who will use desktop mode only.
Most of the changes are not on UI level (but win8 is better than win7 in
many ways), some people would even feel it's "uglier" than win7. lol |
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a*******t
发帖数: 1356 | 31 win8发布了以后统统win8很正常
【在 M*****5 的大作中提到】
: 实在不习惯WIN8，不过看ＢＥＳＴＢＵＹ里面蓝瓦哇的一片统统
: 是８，想买７都买不来。感觉ＭＳ说不定还是能一统江湖。ＢＢ
: 进了这么多８估计卖的还可以吧。
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b********7
发帖数: 12906 | 32 everything has two sides. if there's a boot option to go into either metro
or traditional mode, what if you want to play a small game in metro after
lunch during work day? do you want to reboot the machine into metro? in
this case, dual mode like win8 now is a better solution.
what i'm trying to say is that designing an OS, especially a widely used OS
like windows is not an easy task. i know many people still uses and prefers
to use xp. but xp has so many security holes. some people don't care, but it
doesn't mean other people don't care either. security-wise, and
functionality-wise, win7/8 are way better than xp. but some people just don'
t like changes.
or
only.
【在 S********r 的大作中提到】
: MS should give user more choices such as boot directly into either Metro or
: Classic desktop mode.
: But then, my speculation is it would be difficult for MS to justify a full
: charge for win8 especially for most pc users who will use desktop mode only.
: Most of the changes are not on UI level (but win8 is better than win7 in
: many ways), some people would even feel it's "uglier" than win7. lol
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S**I
发帖数: 15689 | 33 Maybe Obama is an ideal CEO for MSFT: we can change! :)
OS
prefers
it
don'
【在 b********7 的大作中提到】
: everything has two sides. if there's a boot option to go into either metro
: or traditional mode, what if you want to play a small game in metro after
: lunch during work day? do you want to reboot the machine into metro? in
: this case, dual mode like win8 now is a better solution.
: what i'm trying to say is that designing an OS, especially a widely used OS
: like windows is not an easy task. i know many people still uses and prefers
: to use xp. but xp has so many security holes. some people don't care, but it
: doesn't mean other people don't care either. security-wise, and
: functionality-wise, win7/8 are way better than xp. but some people just don'
: t like changes.
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b********7
发帖数: 12906 | 34 he only talks about change though.
【在 S**I 的大作中提到】
: Maybe Obama is an ideal CEO for MSFT: we can change! :)
:
: OS
: prefers
: it
: don'
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S**I
发帖数: 15689 | 35 He did manage to get healthcare act pass, right? I think many of you MSFT
guys hate him because of this.
【在 b********7 的大作中提到】
: he only talks about change though.
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S********r
发帖数: 413 | 36 No. What I mean is just skip Metro UI if user choose to boot into desktop
mode (then MS need to add start button back..lol). But if needed, user can
go to Metro Mode just like today he can go to Media Center Mode.
Yes. OS is a very complex thing. Never say it's easy. Although I have some
complains about win8, I still like it and would use it as my main OS. |
b********7
发帖数: 12906 | 37 it might work and maybe it's better than the current design. i don't know.
but some people will complain about not being able to find the metro mode
because it's hidden and WTF is the difference from win7. there's never a
single design that can please all
people.
【在 S********r 的大作中提到】
: No. What I mean is just skip Metro UI if user choose to boot into desktop
: mode (then MS need to add start button back..lol). But if needed, user can
: go to Metro Mode just like today he can go to Media Center Mode.
: Yes. OS is a very complex thing. Never say it's easy. Although I have some
: complains about win8, I still like it and would use it as my main OS.
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S********r
发帖数: 413 | 38 Yes. There is no single design can please all people.
But if a design is not intuitive then you will hear a lot noise.
If the dual boot mode is possible, then by default, boot tablet into Metro
Mode and desktop pc into desktop mode. For those want to switch between mode
? They will find it since they are probably geek. But again, haha, the
desktop mode looks very similar to win7...
Maybe the idea of combining two UI comes from Marketing Dpt? Since it makes
their work much easier... |
b********7
发帖数: 12906 | 39 actually the design was meant to make the metro UI more obvious. hence the
disappearance of the start button. is it good or bad? i don't know.
mode
makes
【在 S********r 的大作中提到】
: Yes. There is no single design can please all people.
: But if a design is not intuitive then you will hear a lot noise.
: If the dual boot mode is possible, then by default, boot tablet into Metro
: Mode and desktop pc into desktop mode. For those want to switch between mode
: ? They will find it since they are probably geek. But again, haha, the
: desktop mode looks very similar to win7...
: Maybe the idea of combining two UI comes from Marketing Dpt? Since it makes
: their work much easier...
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S********r
发帖数: 413 | 40 lol, it's ok to get ppl's attention, but not by annoying them?
At least on Metro UI, the title should differentiate which is metro app and
which is desktop app. |
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b********7
发帖数: 12906 | 41 agree with that.
and
【在 S********r 的大作中提到】
: lol, it's ok to get ppl's attention, but not by annoying them?
: At least on Metro UI, the title should differentiate which is metro app and
: which is desktop app.
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S********r
发帖数: 413 | 42 回家后发现，其实desktop tiles和metro tiles是不同的
desktop tiles都是系统底色的背景加个icon，metro tile的底色就五颜六色的... |
s*****m
发帖数: 13092 | 43 啥是desktop tiles
【在 S********r 的大作中提到】
: 回家后发现，其实desktop tiles和metro tiles是不同的
: desktop tiles都是系统底色的背景加个icon，metro tile的底色就五颜六色的...
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b********7
发帖数: 12906 | 44 tiles for desktop (traditional) apps
【在 s*****m 的大作中提到】
: 啥是desktop tiles
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c******n
发帖数: 186 | 45 其实这是微软下的一步大旗，下一代的Windows有三种
Metro版 -$199
附带开始菜单版 -$299
可以关机版 -$999 |
s*****o
发帖数: 1540 | 46 haha.. M$$$
【在 c******n 的大作中提到】
: 其实这是微软下的一步大旗，下一代的Windows有三种
: Metro版 -$199
: 附带开始菜单版 -$299
: 可以关机版 -$999
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