k******s 发帖数: 237 | 1 Baron-Cohen's theory is that the female brain is predominantly hard-wired
for empathy, and that the male brain is predominantly hard-wired for
understanding and building systems. He calls it the empathising-systemising
(E-S) theory.
empathy quotient and systemising quotient brain test
http://www.theguardian.com/life/table/0,,937441,00.html |
i**e 发帖数: 19242 | 2 比较老的理论吧?
systemising
【在 k******s 的大作中提到】 : Baron-Cohen's theory is that the female brain is predominantly hard-wired : for empathy, and that the male brain is predominantly hard-wired for : understanding and building systems. He calls it the empathising-systemising : (E-S) theory. : empathy quotient and systemising quotient brain test : http://www.theguardian.com/life/table/0,,937441,00.html
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u*****a 发帖数: 6276 | 3 Define: Hardwired. What is the biological evidence for the claim? |
n****m 发帖数: 1283 | 4 <>
These claims might be true if we are talking about the mean values. However,
we are also distributed. There are females with male brain. There are also
males with female brain. Embracing the diversity of human being (not related
to race) is the only thing that we could do.
Beyong genders, there are more fundamental reason behind the behaviors.
Check your index and pointer ratio to see the sex of your brain. That is a
more accurate indicator. |
i**e 发帖数: 19242 | 5 fundamental reason behind the behaviors
is this "fundamental reason" emotion?
However,
also
related
【在 n****m 的大作中提到】 : <> : These claims might be true if we are talking about the mean values. However, : we are also distributed. There are females with male brain. There are also : males with female brain. Embracing the diversity of human being (not related : to race) is the only thing that we could do. : Beyong genders, there are more fundamental reason behind the behaviors. : Check your index and pointer ratio to see the sex of your brain. That is a : more accurate indicator.
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n****m 发帖数: 1283 | 6 NO.
That BBC documentary talked about the research on this fundamental reason.
It is related to the hormone level the fetus is exposed during the early
gestation stage.
That affects the brian development. There is not right or wrong.
【在 i**e 的大作中提到】 : fundamental reason behind the behaviors : is this "fundamental reason" emotion? : : However, : also : related
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k******s 发帖数: 237 | 7 想知道学理科的FEMALE是否会多一些理智。我觉得挺好玩的。不必太认真。 |
i**e 发帖数: 19242 | 8 wow eye opening
what kind of hormone?
emotional mom generates more emotional hormones?
rational mom generates more rational hormones?
not to argue but to learn, thanks!
【在 n****m 的大作中提到】 : NO. : That BBC documentary talked about the research on this fundamental reason. : It is related to the hormone level the fetus is exposed during the early : gestation stage. : That affects the brian development. There is not right or wrong.
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u*****a 发帖数: 6276 | 9 整个一胡扯。
如果有这种荷尔蒙,人人都会花钱去打,尤其是没同情心的女孩或没思维能力的男孩。
当然倒过来打也行。
在娘胎里,最多的荷尔蒙是娘的!而且男女都一样,尤其是生异性双胞胎的时候。 |
k******s 发帖数: 237 | 10 Baron-Cohen's theory is that the female brain is predominantly hard-wired
for empathy, and that the male brain is predominantly hard-wired for
understanding and building systems. He calls it the empathising-systemising
(E-S) theory.
empathy quotient and systemising quotient brain test
http://www.theguardian.com/life/table/0,,937441,00.html |
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i**e 发帖数: 19242 | 11 比较老的理论吧?
systemising
【在 k******s 的大作中提到】 : Baron-Cohen's theory is that the female brain is predominantly hard-wired : for empathy, and that the male brain is predominantly hard-wired for : understanding and building systems. He calls it the empathising-systemising : (E-S) theory. : empathy quotient and systemising quotient brain test : http://www.theguardian.com/life/table/0,,937441,00.html
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u*****a 发帖数: 6276 | 12 Define: Hardwired. What is the biological evidence for the claim? |
n****m 发帖数: 1283 | 13 <>
These claims might be true if we are talking about the mean values. However,
we are also distributed. There are females with male brain. There are also
males with female brain. Embracing the diversity of human being (not related
to race) is the only thing that we could do.
Beyong genders, there are more fundamental reason behind the behaviors.
Check your index and pointer ratio to see the sex of your brain. That is a
more accurate indicator. |
i**e 发帖数: 19242 | 14 fundamental reason behind the behaviors
is this "fundamental reason" emotion?
However,
also
related
【在 n****m 的大作中提到】 : <> : These claims might be true if we are talking about the mean values. However, : we are also distributed. There are females with male brain. There are also : males with female brain. Embracing the diversity of human being (not related : to race) is the only thing that we could do. : Beyong genders, there are more fundamental reason behind the behaviors. : Check your index and pointer ratio to see the sex of your brain. That is a : more accurate indicator.
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n****m 发帖数: 1283 | 15 NO.
That BBC documentary talked about the research on this fundamental reason.
It is related to the hormone level the fetus is exposed during the early
gestation stage.
That affects the brian development. There is not right or wrong.
【在 i**e 的大作中提到】 : fundamental reason behind the behaviors : is this "fundamental reason" emotion? : : However, : also : related
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k******s 发帖数: 237 | 16 想知道学理科的FEMALE是否会多一些理智。我觉得挺好玩的。不必太认真。 |
i**e 发帖数: 19242 | 17 wow eye opening
what kind of hormone?
emotional mom generates more emotional hormones?
rational mom generates more rational hormones?
not to argue but to learn, thanks!
【在 n****m 的大作中提到】 : NO. : That BBC documentary talked about the research on this fundamental reason. : It is related to the hormone level the fetus is exposed during the early : gestation stage. : That affects the brian development. There is not right or wrong.
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u*****a 发帖数: 6276 | 18 整个一胡扯。
如果有这种荷尔蒙,人人都会花钱去打,尤其是没同情心的女孩或没思维能力的男孩。
当然倒过来打也行。
在娘胎里,最多的荷尔蒙是娘的!而且男女都一样,尤其是生异性双胞胎的时候。 |
u*****a 发帖数: 6276 | 19 如果 IQ 的决定因素是“长期记忆能力”,那所谓孕期荷尔蒙效应又是如何影响显性或
阴性的“IQ”基因的呢?当卵子和精子融合的那一霎那,不就决定了哪个基因被传给孩
子了吗?
一堆伪科学。 |
n****m 发帖数: 1283 | 20 建议看看BBC的巜两性的奥秘》。
systemising
【在 k******s 的大作中提到】 : Baron-Cohen's theory is that the female brain is predominantly hard-wired : for empathy, and that the male brain is predominantly hard-wired for : understanding and building systems. He calls it the empathising-systemising : (E-S) theory. : empathy quotient and systemising quotient brain test : http://www.theguardian.com/life/table/0,,937441,00.html
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t*******r 发帖数: 22634 | 21 其实这么说,那些也不算伪科学。。。只是大部分的那类的研究,基本是研究
世界平均值以下的人群。。。原因嘛,funding 和 paper 的研究,导致大部
分搞哪类研究的,不是研究医院的躺着的,就是研究精神病院里跳着的。。。
从这个角度说,那些研究也不算错,具体分析如下:
对于是不是荷尔蒙决定的思考方式问题。。。对于世界平均值以下的,上半身
多半管不住下半身吧。。。或者说,把那个说成思考,我觉得还不如说成本能
冲动。。。
对于是不是长期记忆决定智商的问题。。。对于世界平均值以下的,政治不正确
的说,尼玛能记住东西就不错了。。。或者说,那也叫智商?也就是不残疾而已
。。。
【在 u*****a 的大作中提到】 : 如果 IQ 的决定因素是“长期记忆能力”,那所谓孕期荷尔蒙效应又是如何影响显性或 : 阴性的“IQ”基因的呢?当卵子和精子融合的那一霎那,不就决定了哪个基因被传给孩 : 子了吗? : 一堆伪科学。
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u*****a 发帖数: 6276 | 22 冲动是魔鬼!
【在 t*******r 的大作中提到】 : 其实这么说,那些也不算伪科学。。。只是大部分的那类的研究,基本是研究 : 世界平均值以下的人群。。。原因嘛,funding 和 paper 的研究,导致大部 : 分搞哪类研究的,不是研究医院的躺着的,就是研究精神病院里跳着的。。。 : 从这个角度说,那些研究也不算错,具体分析如下: : 对于是不是荷尔蒙决定的思考方式问题。。。对于世界平均值以下的,上半身 : 多半管不住下半身吧。。。或者说,把那个说成思考,我觉得还不如说成本能 : 冲动。。。 : 对于是不是长期记忆决定智商的问题。。。对于世界平均值以下的,政治不正确 : 的说,尼玛能记住东西就不错了。。。或者说,那也叫智商?也就是不残疾而已 : 。。。
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n****m 发帖数: 1283 | 23 潮叔,你的id怎么了。
你发这个帖的时候,难道身体里只有下半身荷尔蒙了?
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hormone
连别人的研究都没读,没看,就否定别人。那可不是潮叔的风格。
【在 t*******r 的大作中提到】 : 其实这么说,那些也不算伪科学。。。只是大部分的那类的研究,基本是研究 : 世界平均值以下的人群。。。原因嘛,funding 和 paper 的研究,导致大部 : 分搞哪类研究的,不是研究医院的躺着的,就是研究精神病院里跳着的。。。 : 从这个角度说,那些研究也不算错,具体分析如下: : 对于是不是荷尔蒙决定的思考方式问题。。。对于世界平均值以下的,上半身 : 多半管不住下半身吧。。。或者说,把那个说成思考,我觉得还不如说成本能 : 冲动。。。 : 对于是不是长期记忆决定智商的问题。。。对于世界平均值以下的,政治不正确 : 的说,尼玛能记住东西就不错了。。。或者说,那也叫智商?也就是不残疾而已 : 。。。
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t*******r 发帖数: 22634 | 24 俺挖坑的说法。。。上半身指 brain 的 executive function。。。俗话说的自控能力
计划能力等等。。。对娃成长过程的 brain 平衡发育比较重要。
另外 empathy 能不能 empathy in an analytical fashion,有没有研究?
【在 n****m 的大作中提到】 : 潮叔,你的id怎么了。 : 你发这个帖的时候,难道身体里只有下半身荷尔蒙了? : http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hormone : 连别人的研究都没读,没看,就否定别人。那可不是潮叔的风格。
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t*******r 发帖数: 22634 | 25 其实我的意思是,对于 fulfill certain tasks 而言,别过度解读那个理论。
否则容易得出 “I am a girl so my math is bad” 这种荒谬结论。
或者另一个角度,到底是荷尔蒙对女娃的数学影响更大?还是推妈们从
零岁到 K 班的阶段,狂推唱歌跳舞绘画文艺,数学只推计算题和 repetitive
training 杀兴趣,对女娃的影响更大?。。。也不好说。。。我觉得,还不如
一万小时理论,和大脑灰质剪枝理论,更有实践意义。。。当然,如果已经推
傻了,那就算了,还是相信荷尔蒙决定理论吧。。。毕竟大脑剪枝过程不可逆,
也犯不着给自己添堵是不是?
【在 n****m 的大作中提到】 : 潮叔,你的id怎么了。 : 你发这个帖的时候,难道身体里只有下半身荷尔蒙了? : http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hormone : 连别人的研究都没读,没看,就否定别人。那可不是潮叔的风格。
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n****m 发帖数: 1283 | 26 潮叔,别人的意思正好相反呢。
【在 t*******r 的大作中提到】 : 其实我的意思是,对于 fulfill certain tasks 而言,别过度解读那个理论。 : 否则容易得出 “I am a girl so my math is bad” 这种荒谬结论。 : 或者另一个角度,到底是荷尔蒙对女娃的数学影响更大?还是推妈们从 : 零岁到 K 班的阶段,狂推唱歌跳舞绘画文艺,数学只推计算题和 repetitive : training 杀兴趣,对女娃的影响更大?。。。也不好说。。。我觉得,还不如 : 一万小时理论,和大脑灰质剪枝理论,更有实践意义。。。当然,如果已经推 : 傻了,那就算了,还是相信荷尔蒙决定理论吧。。。毕竟大脑剪枝过程不可逆, : 也犯不着给自己添堵是不是?
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t*******r 发帖数: 22634 | 27 这个我以前看过一点点,有人试图用那个解释为啥 ASD 里男娃的比例高。
但后来出了个相反的 Autism 的理论。。。认为不是理性半球过度发展,而是理性半球
受损,导致无法平衡情感半球。而大脑高层管理机构,则被情感半球太多一哭二闹三上
吊,吓得直接 shutdown 情感半球,导致丧失 empathy 能力。
然后俺不知道咋解释男娃比例高。。。
【在 n****m 的大作中提到】 : 潮叔,别人的意思正好相反呢。
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n****m 发帖数: 1283 | 28 I heard another theory that it is not that girls are less susceptible to ASD
, ADHD. It is just that the symptoms on girls are less severe, especially
ADHD.
People tend to accept drama queen as is. However, it is difficult to accept
a drama king.
【在 t*******r 的大作中提到】 : 这个我以前看过一点点,有人试图用那个解释为啥 ASD 里男娃的比例高。 : 但后来出了个相反的 Autism 的理论。。。认为不是理性半球过度发展,而是理性半球 : 受损,导致无法平衡情感半球。而大脑高层管理机构,则被情感半球太多一哭二闹三上 : 吊,吓得直接 shutdown 情感半球,导致丧失 empathy 能力。 : 然后俺不知道咋解释男娃比例高。。。
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t*******r 发帖数: 22634 | 29 最后一段笑倒了。。。不过有道理!
ASD
accept
【在 n****m 的大作中提到】 : I heard another theory that it is not that girls are less susceptible to ASD : , ADHD. It is just that the symptoms on girls are less severe, especially : ADHD. : People tend to accept drama queen as is. However, it is difficult to accept : a drama king.
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Y********d 发帖数: 1478 | 30 挺有意思的假说,我自己做了一下,EQ 62, SQ 35, type B brain。
systemising
【在 k******s 的大作中提到】 : Baron-Cohen's theory is that the female brain is predominantly hard-wired : for empathy, and that the male brain is predominantly hard-wired for : understanding and building systems. He calls it the empathising-systemising : (E-S) theory. : empathy quotient and systemising quotient brain test : http://www.theguardian.com/life/table/0,,937441,00.html
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