g***l 发帖数: 4 | 1 Drug Industry Sees Big Job Cuts
Friday August 3, 2:45 pm ET
By Linda A. Johnson, AP Business Writer
Job Cuts Spreading Across Drug Industry As Pressures Mount
TRENTON, N.J. (AP) -- When the traditional safe bet among the big
pharmaceutical companies, giant Johnson & Johnson, starts the biggest
restructuring in its 121-year history, it's clear things aren't rosy for the
industry.
J&J's plan to cut up to 4,800 jobs follows news of tens of thousands of job
cuts at Pfizer Inc., Bristol-Myers Squibb |
R*j 发帖数: 248 | 2 job cuts主要是在哪些部门?R&D? Manufactureing? Sale?
以前路过NJ 1号路时候,看到路边巨大的J&J牌子,去年再次路过,发现没了。后来听
说这个site resource到中国了。
【在 g***l 的大作中提到】 : Drug Industry Sees Big Job Cuts : Friday August 3, 2:45 pm ET : By Linda A. Johnson, AP Business Writer : Job Cuts Spreading Across Drug Industry As Pressures Mount : TRENTON, N.J. (AP) -- When the traditional safe bet among the big : pharmaceutical companies, giant Johnson & Johnson, starts the biggest : restructuring in its 121-year history, it's clear things aren't rosy for the : industry. : J&J's plan to cut up to 4,800 jobs follows news of tens of thousands of job : cuts at Pfizer Inc., Bristol-Myers Squibb
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U******m 发帖数: 423 | 3 呵呵,现在好像有一个共同的模式:
首先美国砍掉那个研发中心,然后就是在中国或印度啊什么设立一个新的研发中心,J&
J是不是也follow这个啊?
考虑到中国雇佣一个 phd花的费用只是美国的1/8-1/10,好像蛮划算的。
随着这些big pharma慢慢完成新的全球布局,outsource的好日子是不是也快到头了啊
?虽然肯定还好存在,但大多数应该可以通过海外的研发中心来接手了吧? |
R*j 发帖数: 248 | 4 全球各大药厂在中国设R&D center是无法阻挡的趋势。
J&
【在 U******m 的大作中提到】 : 呵呵,现在好像有一个共同的模式: : 首先美国砍掉那个研发中心,然后就是在中国或印度啊什么设立一个新的研发中心,J& : J是不是也follow这个啊? : 考虑到中国雇佣一个 phd花的费用只是美国的1/8-1/10,好像蛮划算的。 : 随着这些big pharma慢慢完成新的全球布局,outsource的好日子是不是也快到头了啊 : ?虽然肯定还好存在,但大多数应该可以通过海外的研发中心来接手了吧?
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b*******r 发帖数: 1073 | 5 这是你看到很多数据得出的结论还是有几个例子给你的感觉?
请问你在哪里了解制药业尤其美国的动态?谢谢
【在 R*j 的大作中提到】 : 全球各大药厂在中国设R&D center是无法阻挡的趋势。 : : J&
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R*j 发帖数: 248 | 6 我看到了几个例子(Novartis, GlaxoSmithKline, AstraZeneca, Novo NordisK),再
加上我自己的感觉,由此得出结论。
各个大药厂之间从各方面都有竞争。中国在life sciences领域较雄厚的底子(尤其是
化学)和这几年的长足发展(特别是生物)产生了一个巨大的智力资源市场,在一两个
大公司开始发掘这个资源后,其他大公司自然不会落后,因为他们害怕在这个方面输给
别人。
我从很多方面了解制药业动态,各种杂志报道,大会小会,八卦聊天。Nature/Science
上的original paper我一篇也看不懂,但是我发现其他一些版面:business, news
feature,jobs等版面经常有非常前瞻性的讨论,看看这些版面,你也能嗅出些什么。
【在 b*******r 的大作中提到】 : 这是你看到很多数据得出的结论还是有几个例子给你的感觉? : 请问你在哪里了解制药业尤其美国的动态?谢谢
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b*******r 发帖数: 1073 | 7 thank you.
"the pharma industry's love affair with Chinese manufactures may be fading".
This is what I read from a
a business report at C&EN (July 16, 2007).
R&D may be different. But maybe we don't want to repeat the same stories
happened in the food, toys
made in China
【在 R*j 的大作中提到】 : 我看到了几个例子(Novartis, GlaxoSmithKline, AstraZeneca, Novo NordisK),再 : 加上我自己的感觉,由此得出结论。 : 各个大药厂之间从各方面都有竞争。中国在life sciences领域较雄厚的底子(尤其是 : 化学)和这几年的长足发展(特别是生物)产生了一个巨大的智力资源市场,在一两个 : 大公司开始发掘这个资源后,其他大公司自然不会落后,因为他们害怕在这个方面输给 : 别人。 : 我从很多方面了解制药业动态,各种杂志报道,大会小会,八卦聊天。Nature/Science : 上的original paper我一篇也看不懂,但是我发现其他一些版面:business, news : feature,jobs等版面经常有非常前瞻性的讨论,看看这些版面,你也能嗅出些什么。
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H*N 发帖数: 44 | 8 真知灼见
Science
【在 R*j 的大作中提到】 : 我看到了几个例子(Novartis, GlaxoSmithKline, AstraZeneca, Novo NordisK),再 : 加上我自己的感觉,由此得出结论。 : 各个大药厂之间从各方面都有竞争。中国在life sciences领域较雄厚的底子(尤其是 : 化学)和这几年的长足发展(特别是生物)产生了一个巨大的智力资源市场,在一两个 : 大公司开始发掘这个资源后,其他大公司自然不会落后,因为他们害怕在这个方面输给 : 别人。 : 我从很多方面了解制药业动态,各种杂志报道,大会小会,八卦聊天。Nature/Science : 上的original paper我一篇也看不懂,但是我发现其他一些版面:business, news : feature,jobs等版面经常有非常前瞻性的讨论,看看这些版面,你也能嗅出些什么。
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U******m 发帖数: 423 | 9
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As I know, most Chinese manufactures only provide high quality chemicals
that passed USP27. They don't manufacture pharmaceuticals directly. Up to
now, none of Chinese manufactures was approved by FDA to manufacture
medicines to be used in USA.
【在 b*******r 的大作中提到】 : thank you. : "the pharma industry's love affair with Chinese manufactures may be fading". : This is what I read from a : a business report at C&EN (July 16, 2007). : R&D may be different. But maybe we don't want to repeat the same stories : happened in the food, toys : made in China :
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H*N 发帖数: 44 | 10 好像国内刚刚有一个
不过做的可能是Formulation,不算造API
【在 U******m 的大作中提到】 : : ". : As I know, most Chinese manufactures only provide high quality chemicals : that passed USP27. They don't manufacture pharmaceuticals directly. Up to : now, none of Chinese manufactures was approved by FDA to manufacture : medicines to be used in USA.
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U******m 发帖数: 423 | 11
Do you mean the anti-HIV drug manufactured by Huahai? Actually, this drug
will be bought by Bill Gates Fund and be used in third-world countries. That
is why it is easier to get approved by FDA.
【在 H*N 的大作中提到】 : 好像国内刚刚有一个 : 不过做的可能是Formulation,不算造API
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G**********n 发帖数: 973 | 12
Science
反正据我所知 今年辉瑞中国的效益非常非常好,给炸鸡总裁乐的够呛
并且辉瑞中国今年会再招收几百个医药代表,总之国内是蒸蒸日上的。
【在 R*j 的大作中提到】 : 我看到了几个例子(Novartis, GlaxoSmithKline, AstraZeneca, Novo NordisK),再 : 加上我自己的感觉,由此得出结论。 : 各个大药厂之间从各方面都有竞争。中国在life sciences领域较雄厚的底子(尤其是 : 化学)和这几年的长足发展(特别是生物)产生了一个巨大的智力资源市场,在一两个 : 大公司开始发掘这个资源后,其他大公司自然不会落后,因为他们害怕在这个方面输给 : 别人。 : 我从很多方面了解制药业动态,各种杂志报道,大会小会,八卦聊天。Nature/Science : 上的original paper我一篇也看不懂,但是我发现其他一些版面:business, news : feature,jobs等版面经常有非常前瞻性的讨论,看看这些版面,你也能嗅出些什么。
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R*s 发帖数: 2041 | 13 跟国内R&D还是没有直接关系。
,再
其是
两个
输给
么。
【在 G**********n 的大作中提到】 : : Science : 反正据我所知 今年辉瑞中国的效益非常非常好,给炸鸡总裁乐的够呛 : 并且辉瑞中国今年会再招收几百个医药代表,总之国内是蒸蒸日上的。
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w******e 发帖数: 20 | 14 Sales and R&D are different.
As I feel, some scope of work may be outsourced to India, China, etc, but
not all of them. Quality and credibility are major concerns.
【在 G**********n 的大作中提到】 : : Science : 反正据我所知 今年辉瑞中国的效益非常非常好,给炸鸡总裁乐的够呛 : 并且辉瑞中国今年会再招收几百个医药代表,总之国内是蒸蒸日上的。
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R******d 发帖数: 5739 | 15
as far as i know, this is pretty much true. there are still many obstacles
in drug discovery and R&D in china. the main issues are probably
1. the government support. this is very important and crucial i think in
china
2. drug discovery R&D infrastructure, which includes the structure that
supports drug discovery and R&D, the well trained professionals. the
professionals can be obtained from oversea returned professionals, but it
takes time to build up.
3. the IP rights. without a good IP
【在 U******m 的大作中提到】 : : Do you mean the anti-HIV drug manufactured by Huahai? Actually, this drug : will be bought by Bill Gates Fund and be used in third-world countries. That : is why it is easier to get approved by FDA.
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R******d 发帖数: 5739 | 16
pfizer is profiting in china might not be a good news for chinese industry.
the infrastructure in china simply can not support the drug discovery and R
&D yet, especiall without well trained professionals. these big companies
build a site in china probably because they want their name to be known to
chinese, and sell their drugs in china. some of the works might be done in
china, such as clinical trials, some of the formulations, animal studies,
etc. but not the core discovery. it might help
【在 G**********n 的大作中提到】 : : Science : 反正据我所知 今年辉瑞中国的效益非常非常好,给炸鸡总裁乐的够呛 : 并且辉瑞中国今年会再招收几百个医药代表,总之国内是蒸蒸日上的。
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c****h 发帖数: 235 | 17 Great comments, especially in the regulatory and research side.
In the financing side, I guess the major business for those investment
bankers are IPO for stock/bond and M&A consulting for big corporations.
The financing tool you are talking about here may be mainly private equtiy
firms or venture captical firms
Just my two cents
obstacles
【在 R******d 的大作中提到】 : : pfizer is profiting in china might not be a good news for chinese industry. : the infrastructure in china simply can not support the drug discovery and R : &D yet, especiall without well trained professionals. these big companies : build a site in china probably because they want their name to be known to : chinese, and sell their drugs in china. some of the works might be done in : china, such as clinical trials, some of the formulations, animal studies, : etc. but not the core discovery. it might help
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