m****p
发帖数: 404 | 1 原文
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念药学院的学长学姐有什么评论么
德州 加州 pharmacy school 一家一家的开 2015-2020 铁定会过饱和了吧
最后几段是讲his family 自己开店30年的经验/挫折
还有文中提到的 MTM 是什么缩写?
1st -- Before you jump on me, understand this: I am only speaking about what
I know from extensive analysis of the California market (maybe some of this
will translate into other states but again this is for California people
primarily). If you attend, UCSF, USC, Western, UCSD, etc this job market
post is for you.
2nd -- Feel free to disagree but cite your numbers/evidence
3rd -- My analysis is meant only to help new people coming into the field
seriously understand the job market.
4th -- This analysis is based on my understanding of the graduation numbers
from the following schools of pharmacy: USC, UOP, Loma Linda, UCSF, UCSD,
Touro, Western, California Northstate. This does not take into account the 3
other planned school openings within the next 2 years and the high
potential school at UCR. Also, I can tell you as my family are donors to the
UC system, I know there is a heavy push especially within the UCLA medical
campus community for a school of pharmacy there. This is low radar still but
point is the same...we have 8 operating schools, 3 potentials in the
pipeline and potentially even 1 more. This is insane on so many levels and
it doesn't take a genius to figure this out but I'm going to give you my two
cents.
My background - my family owns 8 independent pharmacies in the state of
California. Two are very big operations within hospitals. I am not rich (the
business is divided among many partners, cousins, uncles, etc)...I myself
own about 12% of the show as I am new on the scene (and FYI I draw less than
40,000 dollars of personal salary a year and put many hours of sweat equity
for this stake). Yes, it is a family business and I am taken care of but I
just want to share this detail because I think some people will be able to
see that I am not some spoiled kid trying to rain on the pharmacy parade
here. This is a true warning form someone in the know. My family is
connected to many other owners in the state and many of my comments are not
just for my business but for other owners as well.
All the prime counties in the state are literally saturated with pharmacy
labor right now. 100% saturated. Floater jobs only. 6 out of 8 of our
pharmacies are in prime counties (one in SF, some in LA, one in Irvine, OC
etc) and 2 are in the less desirable areas (San Bernardino county). 4 out of
the 6 in the last 1.5 years needed new staff pharmacists (due to
retirements etc)...we hired about 6 full time pharmacists in the last 18
months essentially. 5 at the prime locations and 1 at a not so prime
location. **I am younger and in the business (have a BA in Finance and a CPA
before pharmacy school and so am involved with all contracts and accounting
for the entire operation). For the 5 prime locations for work comparable to
a chain (40 hours a week etc) we paid an average annual wage of 81,000 a
year. Are benefits package costed us another 11,000 per employee and we
incurred other costs (payroll taxes etc) that added to the total employee
cost for us. But that is beside the point...you should focus on the 81k. The
employees we hired had minimal loans (parent help or whatever, but that is
the truth) but one of the employees did have up to 70kish in loans. For the
non prime location pharmacy, we paid 102,000 for a new staff pharmacist with
4 yearsish experience.
The 81k a year was the average but most were around that average. My family
is not cruel...we were able to get these employees fairly easily we did not
sell ourselves etc. After interviewing/hiring we found out that we could
have easily paid 75k (but probably not lower) and have got these people to
sign our contract. All 6 people we hired were graduates of USC/Western so I
can't generalize to all schools but I can say we did get applicants from
nearly all California schools we just settled on these two schools because
we liked the folks and thought they would stay at our pharmacies for many
years etc.
From a business perspective, we cut 6 pharmacists that were at 130ish in
salary to 5 pharmacists at 81k and 1 at 102k. Substantial savings and we are
getting more productive, better educated labor here. However, we don't feel
good about paying the wage we do. My parents are the first to call our
association networkers to try to protect pharmacy from over satuartion etc.
But at the same time, they run a business and they are going to get what
they can get especially in a recession when we have 2 pharmacies barely
breaking even after all the costs.
My opinion on the California job outlook for Pharmacists is that it is
BLEAK. Extremely extremely bleak. I am telling you 80k a year for a
pharmacist wage isn't some future saturation myth...it is here now...we PAY
it...that's our new rate, we don't pay a dime over 85k and won't in our new
store openings either...doesn't matter about your experience. We don't need
experience, we need a license (until pharmacists are able to bill for real
services). I hate it, I don't like to cheapen our profession but with the
margins the way they are this is what we have to do to survive. And with the
new schools opening up, with cut throat people...I am telling you all...
your classmates will take a job at our pharmacy for 75k. I know it for a
fact. Heck some may go lower. That should scare you...it scares me!
All I can say is-- if you are pre pharmacy in California ...RE CONSIDER now
until things get resolved. Lots of other healthcare professions are not
having it as bad as we are right now in California.
If you are in pharmacy school -- do something to distinguish yourself. The
people we still pay well are either extremely good at running a compounding
operation or essentially business managers doing pharmacist staff work as an
extra. Complain to the associations, the state board...anyone that will
listen. GET up and GET involved fast ladies and gentleman becuase I am
telling you we are in a free fall and there is an influx of graduates right
now and the supply and demand is all out of whack. DONT listen to all that
bull**** about MTM jobs and healthcare reform and baby boomers. This is
absolute garbage. This is California...everyone wants to live here, work
here etc...we have one staff Pharmacist who essentially came to California
to work 25 hours a week, live in Newport Beach and die after working 30
years in Arizona. The California job market for pharmacists in prime areas
is completely shot. The chains haven't dropped their new salaries yet (they'
re just cutting hours, benefits and bonuses etc) but they will...
As someone involved in the pharmacy business, I can tell you for a fact
that in the last 2 years many people are getting into the pharmacy labor
market at 85k or less. Chains are simply just not going to hire...but then
what you have to go to a hospital staff pharmacy or independent or clinic
and take 85k and that day where that is the standard is coming. Be careful
everyone. God bless and I hope we can fight this trend, we need pharmacists
to bill for clinical services and we need to stop the school openings. Do
this and business owners will be happy to pay 130s and up for the pharmacist
.
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Many of you are raising extremely valid points. Is it hypocritical to pay
lower wages and advocate associations at the same time to raise the bar,
reduce school openings etc...yes a little. But you know the real world is a
bit more gray than the black and white thinking of who is being hypocritical
. My dad stopped practicing staff pharmacy hours a while back...but let me
tell you something when he was practicing he was making in the 60k range...
and to be really honest the difference of what he did back then and what
most of our pharmacists do today is VERY VERY small. Yes they now give flu
shots...but if you look at the true day to day of what pharmacists have been
billing for it is very similar to 20+ years ago. Yes the training has been
more grueling and the knowledge base ever expanding but the end story is
that the practice model / billing of services has remained very similar,
while wages have gone up, competition increased, and margins have decreased.
"I am a recent graduate and I have recently worked as a pharmacist in CA. I
tell you that none of my pharmacist friends are making 80 k a year. We may
not get 40 hours a week but our hourly rate is still comparable. More
pharmacists are graduating this year so there will be a lot of competition
but we are still doing OK (not great but OK). Just watch out on your student
loans."
....So this is my point...some pharmacies like big retail operations simply
cut the hours. They have the scale to do that. We don't...we pay our people
for 40 hours a week, sometimes they are filling, some times in down time
they may do quazi clerk work or back end stuff/inventory etc. When you have
many pharmacies as California does what other choice is there. We have
patients come through the door asking for OTC recommendations taking up 20-
30 minutes of staff time...only to leave the pharmacy and buy the stuff
online. Until pharmacies can start billing for things like counseling, how
can we pay pharmacists a pharmacist wage for the full 40 hours when 30% of
the hours are not spent on activities that the pharmacists is licensed for (
back end management, clerk stuff, unbilliable counseling etc).
As for the question about why the company pays me only "40k a year" for 12%
stake...one of the posters have answered it in a nut shell. You want to
minimize the amount of salary you pay yourself from the corporate entity
perspective so as to avoid double taxation. Pass through business income is
another matter. Why pay yourself at all? Well you have to maintain certain
minimum amounts of self pay to avoid getting your but audited by the IRS.
Everything we do is legal. Some business owners bend the rules here but the
safest way to operate is to still pay yourself some salary to get double
taxed on. Read about S corps, paying yourself etc. if you have more
questions about this.
I agree we can bounce back from this as a profession. We are in a
correction state of wages right now. The game is the game people. Listen
Warren Buffet advocates for more taxes over and over and over again. HE is
all over every Republican senator on this very issue. He is asking to pay
more than his net 17% rate that he pays (Due to primarily his income being
from capital gains). HOWEVER, he has yet to send a donation check to the US
government (although he has said he'd match any contribution by republican
senators).
Same with me on a much more humble scale. You think I want to pay 80k? I'd
rather pay 120k, have some extra vacation time with some of our employees
who are also friends, go to Cancun with them you know and their families?
Ask them to go to a Lakers game with me etc. But guess what, half the people
we know in the pharmacy business are paying lower wages too, or they are
paying people below market rate but under the table (YES it happens in most
small businesses in this country) so they don't pay the tax we do. Some are
doing blatant the very easy to do Mediciare/Medical fraud...filling drugie
scumb bag scripts for Schedules they shouldn't, not voiding prescriptions
when patients don't pick them up etc. (and then re-selling those drugs for
100% margins). Yes all this stuff happens in business people, and until
pharmacy schools stop opening up, the government allows us to bill for real
services, they fix the countless pricing issues involved in drug pricing and
the margins/transparency issues with PBMs, insurers, wholesalers etc, clean
up Medi fraud, etc. it is hell out there for pharmacists in California.
I am happy to give you the real scoop on pharmacy from the perspective of
independents and the problems they are facing. Wages are going down and
pharmacists are doing very innovative things to keep net profits stable. We
have one friend who is doing hallmark/convenience store pharmacies now. His
two pharmacies are 30% supported by non healthcare items (cards, soda sale,
chips, etc), 20-30% DME/OTC, and only 40-50% real prescription volume. How
much wage can you pay a pharmacist when your business is only doing 50%
pharmacy.
Don't even get me started on what mail order and now specialty pharmacy is
doing to pharmacies. Even compounding guys. People are setting up super
cheap labor pharmacies in other parts of the country and shipping derm
creams to your Beverly Hills dermatologist, your local primary care estrogen
/steroid pusher. I see this stuff every day and see how business is being
sliced and diced. There are so many pressures guys. Pharmacy was a
fundamentally retail position, and now the retail money is less and less and
the only solution is billiable services for pharmacists.
Board certified residency pharmacists in hospitals etc...I can't comment.
This is not what I do and I'm sure the market is different for these folks.
But you know, this is still the minority of pharmacists. Most pharmacists
are out there in the community setting and this is the setting that I
speaking about.
Many chains won't go as low as 80k again. They'll cut hours and you'll just
end up with that. They'll implement bigger badder mail order, more
technology and they'll make it so they don't need as many staff pharmacists.
They'll have one ultra smart staff pharmacist that they can justify paying
a 100k too because that guy is managing inventory, resolving prescription
issues, managing the technology and the clerks/techs etc. It makes financial
sense but what I'm saying is that unless we can change the game from retail
to service we are all in a losing game in terms of job market. TRUST me...
In the modern economy an independent owner like me cannot survive on the
competing on retail margins alone. You think we have buying power or the
capital to support the backend that the big chains plan to implement? Heck
no...heck no I'd rather be in the business of paying people 120k and
mentoring them to manager Mrs. Jone's diabetes medication properly and being
a part of her treatment plan for the next 15 years because she trusts us.
I've got many pings from people that quote their "hourly rate". Guys this is
an improper argument. Hourly rate is meaningless....what is that person's
net annual take home as a pharmacist.
Listen, there are "hours" of the day in one of our hospital pharmacies
where we got doctors calling, compounding going on, IV's needing to be
checked, prescriptions needing to be filled, restocking needed etc. where we
would pay $100 dollars an HOUR for a pharmacist ... like literally we need
the most talented fasted person around would probably even pay MORE. Hourly
floater rates are so frivilous because they are taking into account peak
hours/desperate hours by a chain that has no choice for coverage. When ****
hits the fan in your pharmacy, heck you would pay a lot per hour to have an
extra hand or two that is experienced and knows what to do in crisis mode
and can make proper decisions. HOWEVER, the other 30ish hours a week...
honestly our pharmacies and most other pharmacies can get by someone who
barely made the cut in pharmacy. So spare us all the "but I just got paid 80
/ hour" ... quote your net salary this year if you were working one job.
Compare apples to apples people.
Yes our 81k for 40 hours a week pharmacists could float another 12 hours
easily per week for another independent or chain maybe and bring in that 100
+k salary. But again apples to apples, I am not comparing your 52 hour week
or 60 hour week to our 40 hour week wages.
That should apply to all of you in the job outlook discussion. Don't listen
to all these friends with hourly quotes and 140k a year blah blah. Be a
real analyst about this, talk to people in depth, understand that sometimes
people quote 40 hours and they really mean like 48 hours because they are
not getting paid for staying late and doing inventory or are backed up on
this or that and some independents are just getting by skating the law.
Our 81k salary is for a true 40 hour week. You get dental/health/optics, a
decent 401k match depending on the contract, 200-500 dollar year end
christmas bonus, and 15% off of our in store retail/OTC, and you are filling
way less scripts / hour than most chains. You have down time to sit, the
bathroom is usually close and the owners respect everyone. I've got some
interesting emails/messages...and its quite funny to hear that the above
conditions are somehow so crazy that they dont exist. Wake up...and
understand that 30-40% of the people you sit next to right now in class want
the position described above.
I wish you the best of luck in the pharmacy business.
My family has been in this game for many many years. We we've seen great
losses, great profits, while we own 8 currently, we have bought/sold well
over 20 in the 30ish years. We've consulted and helped startup countless
others and know many people that closed pharmacies, went bankrupt, or had to
sell at a loss, or are owners making less than 120k total to their pockets
(and minimal equity if at all in the business).
We employ over 100 Californians. You can say what you want about us being
the "worst owners." All I know is our employees like us, they are taken care
of, if they ever had a serious issue we would step up to help them. There's
alot more to treatment of an employee than a salary. First and foremost...
job stability. We'll see if you like many of our friends are still in this
business in 5-10 years. Data and statistics of small business ownership says
that most people will fail, and in independent ownership a good chunk will
never make more than what you would as a Rite Aid manager.
The "worst owners." Ya right. We know people that paid the 130s wages, and
our cheating the system, have lost their licenses, lost their businesses due
to cheating and or mismanagement...and now their employees are on the
street.
We'll see how altruistic you are with salary's when margins keep dropping,
or you get sued, lose a big chunk of business to a chain, have a cash flow
issue etc, need a revamp due to some new regulation or have a huge capital
call.
Its not all black and white in the real world when you got real people on
the line. What's better for the job market and people as a whole...employing
5 at 80k, or 4 at 100k? We choose one line of thinking that suited our
business and for you to comment on our quality as owners is foolish. Please
brother you've owned a pharmacy for 2 months. 49% benefit cost? Either you
are completely full of it and you don't own a business, or you don't know
how to manage it. Yeah, we'll see how long you're in this game if you are
paying 49% benefit costs. I'll let everyone else on this forum fact check
you on that one because its way too easy for me.
People used to say GM was the amazing employer. So much of a new car sale
was going to pay for worker benefits that the company eventually had to just
go bankrupt, people lost jobs, Detroit was dessimated, people lots lifelong
retirement funds etc. Please, if you think the worst an owner can do is to
decrease wage by 25% ish percent (while still paying essentially DOUBLE the
US HOUSEHOLD income average) then you haven't been paying attention to what
is happening inside this country.
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With all the pressures in the market, people tend to think if one pharmacy
is making you 200k as an owner you are all good. It's just silly talk.
Sooner or later that reserve you build up in your cash flow turns the other
way--recession, law suit, Medicare audit, IRS audit etc. (even if you have
done nothing wrong, a settlement just not to go to court will cost you a 50k
here and there, even if your books are clean you need to hire a real
experienced auditor to take the government auditors through your books etc).
If you saw the lifestyle of everyone in the ownership of this business you
would realize that paying the lower wages are neccessary to keep the ship a
float in some of these pharmacies.
In business you are operating each company as a seperate entity. Just
because you make a lot of money in your ice cream store doesn't mean your
pharmacist's get a raise. That'll be a business that doesn't last for very
long.
The whole point...is to get people to realize the plight of owners and
operators of pharmacies. To understand that the situation in California is
very grave and we need political action to get more reimbursement for both
the drug products and the services pharmacists provide. Stopping the schools
is another positive if we could get it done.
Before you knock me for paying the low wage, donate to apha cpha and our
action commitees. Right now I think the practical thing to do to support our
pharmacist and pharmacy is to pay the lower wage, keep our business afloat
and use some profit to donate to our causes. Don't knock owners for doing
what they have to do...there's a lot of gray area...a lot of things that we
have as pharmacists in California come from the fact that its independents
teaming up with other groups on state level lobbying issues.
I'm sharing real on the ground data because quite frankly everyone wants to
hear it. That's the truth based on the views of this thread.
Because by law even in down time you always need a pharmacist present. By
law glorified tech work is 60% of pharmacy practice...I would like it to
change so we get more and more money for MTM, counseling, working with
physicians to identify DDI's etc, having protocols in place to do full on
management (dose escalation/dose changes/dose edits) of established
guideline disease states like diabetes, HTN etc....but right now all my
people in down time have to do the tech work.
Floaters demand higher per hour, are not consistent often...you can teach
them but the infrequency at which they come in sometimes prevents them from
being fully adapted to the operation
This comes down to pure economics. We haven't implemented MTM as much as we
should but from the owners we talk to ... its simply not there in terms of
money to do it.
Check this paper out:
Over the 7-year period from January 1, 2000, through December 31, 2006, the
mean ([SD] median) pharmacy reimbursement was $8.44 ([$5.19] $7.00) per MTM
service
This paper has nothing to do with the new rules, laws in reform or the rate
in California but point is from our perspective...we'd rather put in money
expanding our OTC/DME side, or heck even putting in a soda fountain than do
MTM for some tiny reimbursement assuming you document everything properly
and they actually ever pay you for it...which BTW could be 90 days in some
cases. Which brings up another problem, some business owners don't have 3
months of cash flow buffer to even consider changing strategy...which is
another reason why pharmacies are cutting costs (speaking about independents
)...most of us our thinking about our long term future too...when / if we do
get a change in our rules/laws/practice scope we have to have some buffer
cash to be able to shift the strategy of the business. its not easy ... your
going from a pure retail operation to a service operation and retail
operation...that's a scary thing and most Fortune 500 companies that try to
do that kind of pivot would be met with pure skepticism by most financial
analysts. | m**s
发帖数: 520 | 2 看完的写个总结吧，太长了
75K/yr，什么老板可以这么黑心啊!? 不是华裔吧，呵呵！加州药师命不该这么苦啊
看了几个原帖回复，好像拿得都是$60/hr(没有比俺这里高多少嘛！）。75K年薪招人，
这个老板估计在做梦吧 | m****p
发帖数: 404 | 3 我昨天看完的 还记得一些
作者家里是开药店的 加州开了 8家药店 过去30年买卖过 20多家药店 最近两年找的
pharmacist 平均薪水是 81k ,有
一两个在边缘地区店的是 100k左右 其余的 在 prime location 的是 75k /y 申请
者因为身负一堆贷款要还 基本上都愿意签contract 作者列举了 benefit, TAX 之类
的额外支出 基本上 要为每个招聘的人负 11k/y
然后就是列举了 近年加州药学院还有3到4家要开张 形式会越来越不乐观 那些学校都
是只想赚钱 不管学生就业等等 最近的形势是 开店30 多年来最差的 以后就业薪水应
该是维持现在的状况或者略微下降 趋势是网上买药 越来越多 pharmacist 需要花大
量时间和病人探讨药的功能和类别 提供指导 但是属于 unbillable time, 因为回头病
人就去网上买药剂师推荐的药 等等 药房都没赚到钱 很多被卖 行业垄断越来越集中
药剂师只有 大概 30%-50% 的时间是花在 能赚钱的 业务上 还有很多tech 级别的工作
等等
然后药店效益不好的话就会cut down 药剂师的工作时间和福利 很多新毕业的药剂师只
能做 floater, 工作几个药店但是 一周加起来还不到40 小时 by hour 可能会高 但
是 总薪水反而下降了 而且看不到未来 不会涨薪 很多工作经验几十年的 薪水 130k -
140k 被裁 因为 新毕业的 work hour flexibility更好 而且愿意接受 75k 等等
作者举了一大堆家族开店 招人发工资的事实 认为 现在的措施是
首先呼吁不让新的学校开pharmD 保障现有学生和从业者的工作机会
让 pharmacist 成为healthcare provider, 可以bill medicare/medicaid，增加收入
来源 可以分医药改革的一份蛋糕
增加clinical care/counseling 增加face to face 的优势 因为传统的retail 会越来
越没有竞争力 等等
先这些吧 作者反复和后续者交流 发帖几十楼 内容很详尽 建议从事或将来从事这一行
的仔细读一下 能学到很多东西 特别是打算自己开店 转手店的可以深入探讨 版上应该
有很多吧
现在医疗改革和商业模式的改变 大家都不能置身事外 | m**s
发帖数: 520 | 4 thanks! 平均81K，说明还有比这低的，没说工作多少小时吧
这个作者老板良心大大的不坏啊！居然倡导少招生，为药师就业考虑多多！
换成我是老板，就希望招越多越好，最好30-50K/yr就能随招随到。
【在 m****p 的大作中提到】
: 我昨天看完的 还记得一些
: 作者家里是开药店的 加州开了 8家药店 过去30年买卖过 20多家药店 最近两年找的
: pharmacist 平均薪水是 81k ,有
: 一两个在边缘地区店的是 100k左右 其余的 在 prime location 的是 75k /y 申请
: 者因为身负一堆贷款要还 基本上都愿意签contract 作者列举了 benefit, TAX 之类
: 的额外支出 基本上 要为每个招聘的人负 11k/y
: 然后就是列举了 近年加州药学院还有3到4家要开张 形式会越来越不乐观 那些学校都
: 是只想赚钱 不管学生就业等等 最近的形势是 开店30 多年来最差的 以后就业薪水应
: 该是维持现在的状况或者略微下降 趋势是网上买药 越来越多 pharmacist 需要花大
: 量时间和病人探讨药的功能和类别 提供指导 但是属于 unbillable time, 因为回头病
| b******8
发帖数: 1251 | 5 这个帖子早就看到过了呀。我也搞不懂到底是有工作还是没工作。我认识的去年毕业的
在walgreens工作的一个MM忙死了，经常加班。我就没有搞懂，照理说也没有开新店了
，怎么还在招人，招了人也很忙，那没招人之前怎么办？ | s*******e
发帖数: 629 | 6 The job market is not as good as it was years ago for pharmacists. | b**o
发帖数: 5769 | 7 少看了一个忙，还以为她死了。最近看癌症的帖子看的我都depression了
【在 b******8 的大作中提到】
: 这个帖子早就看到过了呀。我也搞不懂到底是有工作还是没工作。我认识的去年毕业的
: 在walgreens工作的一个MM忙死了，经常加班。我就没有搞懂，照理说也没有开新店了
: ，怎么还在招人，招了人也很忙，那没招人之前怎么办？
| m****p
发帖数: 404 | 8 是40 小时一周 他的店 基本上都是full time
他文中也提到 年轻人干活快 所以 当他的店老员工退休后 都是找新毕业的 讲价办
contract爽快
而且干 7-8个小时 不喊累
他拥有家里的8家店 12% 的股份 每年给自己pay 40k 不到的薪水 经常凌晨5点到店
里干活 他自己这几年也在念 PharmD 所以对年轻人更有认同感
【在 m**s 的大作中提到】
: thanks! 平均81K，说明还有比这低的，没说工作多少小时吧
: 这个作者老板良心大大的不坏啊！居然倡导少招生，为药师就业考虑多多！
: 换成我是老板，就希望招越多越好，最好30-50K/yr就能随招随到。
| m**s
发帖数: 520 | 9 谢谢！
你既然不知道MTM是啥，应该不是药剂师吧？想入行还是想开店啊？
【在 m****p 的大作中提到】
: 是40 小时一周 他的店 基本上都是full time
: 他文中也提到 年轻人干活快 所以 当他的店老员工退休后 都是找新毕业的 讲价办
: contract爽快
: 而且干 7-8个小时 不喊累
: 他拥有家里的8家店 12% 的股份 每年给自己pay 40k 不到的薪水 经常凌晨5点到店
: 里干活 他自己这几年也在念 PharmD 所以对年轻人更有认同感
| m****p
发帖数: 404 | | | | P*A
发帖数: 7996 | 11 因为不停有人跑掉，cvs招人更多，跑得也更多
【在 b******8 的大作中提到】
: 这个帖子早就看到过了呀。我也搞不懂到底是有工作还是没工作。我认识的去年毕业的
: 在walgreens工作的一个MM忙死了，经常加班。我就没有搞懂，照理说也没有开新店了
: ，怎么还在招人，招了人也很忙，那没招人之前怎么办？
| b******8
发帖数: 1251 | 12 这么多招了又跑的呀？跑哪里去了呀？我们APPE的community只能在CVS, RITE AID,
WALGREENS里面选一个？哪个店就业前景比较好呀？ | P*A
发帖数: 7996 | 13 跑医院啊，一年少挣两万，最后多活好几年，你干不干？
现在医院很少招还没拿到执照的，所以就导致了很多CVS Walgreens干了半年一年
觉得实在太非人的流到医院，所以CVS Walgreens才会常年招人
相比起来，CVS比walgreen用人更狠毒，导致人力流动也远大于walgreens,所以
你要问找工作前景，APPE去CVS帮助会更大
【在 b******8 的大作中提到】
: 这么多招了又跑的呀？跑哪里去了呀？我们APPE的community只能在CVS, RITE AID,
: WALGREENS里面选一个？哪个店就业前景比较好呀？
| b******8
发帖数: 1251 | 14 天，要羊落虎口了！！！！不过第一份工没有选的，有工就上，上了再跳以后 | b**o
发帖数: 5769 | 15 这样呀！
所以说医院虽然pay的少点，还是轻松很多嘛！
看来我还要想办法进医院。。。
【在 P*A 的大作中提到】
: 跑医院啊，一年少挣两万，最后多活好几年，你干不干？
: 现在医院很少招还没拿到执照的，所以就导致了很多CVS Walgreens干了半年一年
: 觉得实在太非人的流到医院，所以CVS Walgreens才会常年招人
: 相比起来，CVS比walgreen用人更狠毒，导致人力流动也远大于walgreens,所以
: 你要问找工作前景，APPE去CVS帮助会更大
| x********n
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