C********n
发帖数: 6682 | 1 说白了领导就是看上了玄学家嘴巴大敢胡吹这点，博点钱给你们让你们
happy happy,吃饱喝足之余顺便发点垃圾paper作为成就，大家脸上好看
支持应用技术当然好，问题是实用的东西要经得起考验的，这超玄等考验，
切得几十年呢 |
c****e
发帖数: 2097 | 2 你这气吞山河的架势，不去吹吹几个亿下来真是可惜了。
世界上什么都缺，就不缺不懂也要评论的。
【在 C********n 的大作中提到】
: 说白了领导就是看上了玄学家嘴巴大敢胡吹这点，博点钱给你们让你们
: happy happy,吃饱喝足之余顺便发点垃圾paper作为成就，大家脸上好看
: 支持应用技术当然好，问题是实用的东西要经得起考验的，这超玄等考验，
: 切得几十年呢
|
w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 3 I normally consider it a waste of time to discuss physics on an internet
forum, so I won't say much about the
tests of string theory. But I suggest you educate yourself a little bit
about string theory before making
ignorant comments such as this one you just made.
【在 C********n 的大作中提到】
: 说白了领导就是看上了玄学家嘴巴大敢胡吹这点，博点钱给你们让你们
: happy happy,吃饱喝足之余顺便发点垃圾paper作为成就，大家脸上好看
: 支持应用技术当然好，问题是实用的东西要经得起考验的，这超玄等考验，
: 切得几十年呢
|
C********n
发帖数: 6682 | 4 看来你是被教育过得了
不知道学到什么水平算是被教育过得了
这个吧，俺颇听说做string的人不少，其中能被称作
做物理的，屈指可数
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: I normally consider it a waste of time to discuss physics on an internet
: forum, so I won't say much about the
: tests of string theory. But I suggest you educate yourself a little bit
: about string theory before making
: ignorant comments such as this one you just made.
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 5 Oh what's that? You "heard"? So how many string theory papers have you
actually read? And how many do you
understand? And how many string theorists have you actually talked to,
instead of "heard about"? Seriously
dude, you can fool yourself however you want, it's not my business. But
since you are trying to mislead others
on this board, I'm going to ask you to shut up when you don't know what you
are talking about.
【在 C********n 的大作中提到】
: 看来你是被教育过得了
: 不知道学到什么水平算是被教育过得了
: 这个吧，俺颇听说做string的人不少，其中能被称作
: 做物理的，屈指可数
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b*******t
发帖数: 417 | 6 你的电脑不能写中文，俺们土老冒还是读中文轻松点。
you
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: Oh what's that? You "heard"? So how many string theory papers have you
: actually read? And how many do you
: understand? And how many string theorists have you actually talked to,
: instead of "heard about"? Seriously
: dude, you can fool yourself however you want, it's not my business. But
: since you are trying to mislead others
: on this board, I'm going to ask you to shut up when you don't know what you
: are talking about.
|
w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 7 Sorry I'm using a mac. It's kind of pain in the ass to type Chinese. I'll do
it next time.
【在 b*******t 的大作中提到】
: 你的电脑不能写中文，俺们土老冒还是读中文轻松点。
:
: you
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b*******t
发帖数: 417 | 8 MAC好像也有个中文输入，就是没有SOGOU拼音那么好使
do
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: Sorry I'm using a mac. It's kind of pain in the ass to type Chinese. I'll do
: it next time.
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c**y
发帖数: 391 | 9 我这边中文输入没啥问题呀
do
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: Sorry I'm using a mac. It's kind of pain in the ass to type Chinese. I'll do
: it next time.
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s*******n
发帖数: 1474 | 10 这个版上能让人shut up的只有斑竹或站务
莫非你是在自荐？
you
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: Oh what's that? You "heard"? So how many string theory papers have you
: actually read? And how many do you
: understand? And how many string theorists have you actually talked to,
: instead of "heard about"? Seriously
: dude, you can fool yourself however you want, it's not my business. But
: since you are trying to mislead others
: on this board, I'm going to ask you to shut up when you don't know what you
: are talking about.
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c****e
发帖数: 2097 | 11 我看你智伤咋就这低
能墙壁你的当然是斑竹，用道理让人闭嘴是随便谁都可以。
不闭嘴徒然聒噪象只苍蝇。好比大街上，没人愿意看起来象白痴，所以没有成年人还咿
咿呀呀。
物理学难道就是教育些学生出来对不懂的科目也要指手画脚？虽说受过训练，这种行为
跟民科是50步笑摆布。
【在 s*******n 的大作中提到】
: 这个版上能让人shut up的只有斑竹或站务
: 莫非你是在自荐？
:
: you
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R*******N
发帖数: 7494 | 12 玄学基础是广相的时空弯曲。老爱没说这是万物之源。玄学家从此推出多维弯曲来，正
如佛法云万世皆空，世界不过由无数真空弯曲而成的幻想。此佛法上乘也。
实际上从数学上论证11维时空这步就很伟大了。尼马的额外纬度就更伟大。玄派的胜利
算不算老爱最终战胜哥本哈根派？
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: I normally consider it a waste of time to discuss physics on an internet
: forum, so I won't say much about the
: tests of string theory. But I suggest you educate yourself a little bit
: about string theory before making
: ignorant comments such as this one you just made.
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h**m
发帖数: 57 | 13 看一看，没肉，只有口水。哈！
************************************************
我在美国大学工作的非正常日子
http://www.tianya.cn/publicforum/content/free/1/1652142.shtml |
x********g
发帖数: 595 | 14 "不知道学到什么水平算是被教育过得了"
Trust me, you will never know.
【在 C********n 的大作中提到】
: 看来你是被教育过得了
: 不知道学到什么水平算是被教育过得了
: 这个吧，俺颇听说做string的人不少，其中能被称作
: 做物理的，屈指可数
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x********g
发帖数: 595 | 15 I would shut up if someone who knows the field much better than me pointed
out my ignorance.
When you don't know who you're talking to, you're liable to say something
you'll regret.
【在 s*******n 的大作中提到】
: 这个版上能让人shut up的只有斑竹或站务
: 莫非你是在自荐？
:
: you
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V*********t
发帖数: 1478 | 16 物理系里面做超弦的很多还是在做物理的
【在 C********n 的大作中提到】
: 看来你是被教育过得了
: 不知道学到什么水平算是被教育过得了
: 这个吧，俺颇听说做string的人不少，其中能被称作
: 做物理的，屈指可数
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C********n
发帖数: 6682 | 17 if u call that black hole in fermi lab or extra dimension on lhc or
landscape crap
physics,
yes, they r doing 'physics'
not physics in our space time though.
if u can, from the basic principle of string, w/o much assumptions, build
Standard model with correct particle mass and coupling constants. yes. u
can
call your work physics
otherwise, it is nothing but crap
there is already too much crap in the physics society, and stringers are
trying
to create more
E. witten is doing physics, cus he alre
【在 V*********t 的大作中提到】
: 物理系里面做超弦的很多还是在做物理的
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 18 The more you write the more you sound like an idiot. Let me tell you once
again, ignorance is not an opinion. This is the last time I'm going to waste
my time replying to your post.
【在 C********n 的大作中提到】
: if u call that black hole in fermi lab or extra dimension on lhc or
: landscape crap
: physics,
: yes, they r doing 'physics'
: not physics in our space time though.
: if u can, from the basic principle of string, w/o much assumptions, build
: Standard model with correct particle mass and coupling constants. yes. u
: can
: call your work physics
: otherwise, it is nothing but crap
|
j*********t
发帖数: 217 | 19 不懂装懂，人云亦云，唉……
无知真可怕，不知道自己无知更可怕 |
N***m
发帖数: 4460 | 20 超弦增加了就业，增加了GDP，有什么不好？
据说还要拍一部电视剧string theory
【在 C********n 的大作中提到】
: 说白了领导就是看上了玄学家嘴巴大敢胡吹这点，博点钱给你们让你们
: happy happy,吃饱喝足之余顺便发点垃圾paper作为成就，大家脸上好看
: 支持应用技术当然好，问题是实用的东西要经得起考验的，这超玄等考验，
: 切得几十年呢
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s*******n
发帖数: 1474 | 21 呵呵，我看你丫就是睚眦必报
我老说你几句显摆鸟语，你就跟我干上了
你这几句怎么不用鸟语啊？
能用道理让人闭嘴的这版上还真没几个，你以为
你玩点高深的就能教育人啦？我看你就是高智商
低情商，轮不到你说教的地方也出来放p
【在 c****e 的大作中提到】
: 我看你智伤咋就这低
: 能墙壁你的当然是斑竹，用道理让人闭嘴是随便谁都可以。
: 不闭嘴徒然聒噪象只苍蝇。好比大街上，没人愿意看起来象白痴，所以没有成年人还咿
: 咿呀呀。
: 物理学难道就是教育些学生出来对不懂的科目也要指手画脚？虽说受过训练，这种行为
: 跟民科是50步笑摆布。
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s*******n
发帖数: 1474 | 22 我得表个立场
我其实很佩服作string的，也认为string是物理
不过你叫人闭嘴，别人也可以叫你闭嘴
因为bbs本不是说理的地方。
waste
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: The more you write the more you sound like an idiot. Let me tell you once
: again, ignorance is not an opinion. This is the last time I'm going to waste
: my time replying to your post.
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o********o
发帖数: 10 | 23 说得还是有道理的。
不要学老杨当年，反对中国搞实验高能物理，对撞机什么的，
还让人混饭吃吗？结果很多人都不喜欢老杨。
【在 N***m 的大作中提到】
: 超弦增加了就业，增加了GDP，有什么不好？
: 据说还要拍一部电视剧string theory
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q*d
发帖数: 22178 | 24 那会没钱,确实不该上对撞机这样东西.
弦论其实花不了多少钱,要是只有少量的钱,那不如投弦论.
【在 o********o 的大作中提到】
: 说得还是有道理的。
: 不要学老杨当年，反对中国搞实验高能物理，对撞机什么的，
: 还让人混饭吃吗？结果很多人都不喜欢老杨。
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s*******n
发帖数: 1474 | 25 那你也不能让一小撮人混饭吃，让一大撮人没饭吃啊
【在 o********o 的大作中提到】
: 说得还是有道理的。
: 不要学老杨当年，反对中国搞实验高能物理，对撞机什么的，
: 还让人混饭吃吗？结果很多人都不喜欢老杨。
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s*******n
发帖数: 1474 | 26 现在string估计得上计算机了
当年纸笔，加上office就够了吧
话说witten说自己没写过任何code
【在 q*d 的大作中提到】
: 那会没钱,确实不该上对撞机这样东西.
: 弦论其实花不了多少钱,要是只有少量的钱,那不如投弦论.
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b*******t
发帖数: 417 | 27 投凝聚态理论或许会好点，投入产出期望值高点
【在 q*d 的大作中提到】
: 那会没钱,确实不该上对撞机这样东西.
: 弦论其实花不了多少钱,要是只有少量的钱,那不如投弦论.
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a***e
发帖数: 27968 | 28 on a bbs to ask someone to shut up on something, you better show something,
say how many paper you pub on string theory?
you
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: Oh what's that? You "heard"? So how many string theory papers have you
: actually read? And how many do you
: understand? And how many string theorists have you actually talked to,
: instead of "heard about"? Seriously
: dude, you can fool yourself however you want, it's not my business. But
: since you are trying to mislead others
: on this board, I'm going to ask you to shut up when you don't know what you
: are talking about.
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a***e
发帖数: 27968 | 29 老杨该不是为了和李对着干才这么说的八
【在 o********o 的大作中提到】
: 说得还是有道理的。
: 不要学老杨当年，反对中国搞实验高能物理，对撞机什么的，
: 还让人混饭吃吗？结果很多人都不喜欢老杨。
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s*******n
发帖数: 1474 | 30 就算他是witten也没用
理不是这么讲的。
【在 a***e 的大作中提到】
: on a bbs to ask someone to shut up on something, you better show something,
: say how many paper you pub on string theory?
:
: you
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o********o
发帖数: 10 | 31 有些可能性。老李和老杨的斗嘴过程中，实验高能的不少人都向着老李。
by the way, 在这里掐架的同学，感觉有些是德州工农兵大学的，
只不过在时空上没有交点，所以互不认识。
【在 a***e 的大作中提到】
: 老杨该不是为了和李对着干才这么说的八
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q*d
发帖数: 22178 | 32 不是吧.
早在70年代的一次物理大会上,
当时应该是Yang-Mills场的重整化已经被证明,
标准模型已经确立,
大家都踌躇满志,
有人让台下的老杨的讲两句,
当着Weinberg,Glashaw,TD Lee等人,
老杨说:"The party is over."
就是说高能物理的盛世已经过去.
他后面一直是按这个看法行事的,
包括反对中国造加速器,
以及让投靠他的学生去做别的,
以及目前对国内某大学物理系发展方向的选择.
据说清华系主任拿着老杨的一封信当圣旨,
把搞高能理论的差点赶出物理系..
something,
【在 s*******n 的大作中提到】
: 就算他是witten也没用
: 理不是这么讲的。
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b*******t
发帖数: 417 | 33 老杨为什么那么说呢？ 第六感？
【在 q*d 的大作中提到】
: 不是吧.
: 早在70年代的一次物理大会上,
: 当时应该是Yang-Mills场的重整化已经被证明,
: 标准模型已经确立,
: 大家都踌躇满志,
: 有人让台下的老杨的讲两句,
: 当着Weinberg,Glashaw,TD Lee等人,
: 老杨说:"The party is over."
: 就是说高能物理的盛世已经过去.
: 他后面一直是按这个看法行事的,
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s*******n
发帖数: 1474 | 34 要赶高能物理理论的，首先就得先赶老杨吧？
虽说人也不在乎
【在 q*d 的大作中提到】
: 不是吧.
: 早在70年代的一次物理大会上,
: 当时应该是Yang-Mills场的重整化已经被证明,
: 标准模型已经确立,
: 大家都踌躇满志,
: 有人让台下的老杨的讲两句,
: 当着Weinberg,Glashaw,TD Lee等人,
: 老杨说:"The party is over."
: 就是说高能物理的盛世已经过去.
: 他后面一直是按这个看法行事的,
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b*******t
发帖数: 417 | 35 搞物理还是兼容并包好一点，大佬的话的也是一家之言
【在 s*******n 的大作中提到】
: 要赶高能物理理论的，首先就得先赶老杨吧？
: 虽说人也不在乎
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N***m
发帖数: 4460 | 36 高能物理是不是真的半死不活的了？
【在 b*******t 的大作中提到】
: 搞物理还是兼容并包好一点，大佬的话的也是一家之言
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b*******t
发帖数: 417 | 37 半死不活和死了是两码事，指不定哪年死灰复燃了
【在 N***m 的大作中提到】
: 高能物理是不是真的半死不活的了？
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c****e
发帖数: 2097 | 38 you're prone to underestimate others, which means you cannot handle real
real world considerations. maybe it's because of your frustration in failing
to understand more.
why assume just because someone can handle some fancy swancy math or some
deep results of very orthodox theoretical physics, they have to part with
their understandings of more elementary stuff which forms the basis on which
the former are built?
it isn't true that understanding string theory is in conflict with
understanding st
【在 C********n 的大作中提到】
: if u call that black hole in fermi lab or extra dimension on lhc or
: landscape crap
: physics,
: yes, they r doing 'physics'
: not physics in our space time though.
: if u can, from the basic principle of string, w/o much assumptions, build
: Standard model with correct particle mass and coupling constants. yes. u
: can
: call your work physics
: otherwise, it is nothing but crap
|
c****e
发帖数: 2097 | 39 对你个落水狗当然鸭子必剥。
你讲的屁话很多，居然管得别人说什么。你他妈是中宣部？老子我写什么语言要你批准？
我玩什么玩谁管你屁事。你这种人大脑里除了prototype什么都没有。
【在 s*******n 的大作中提到】
: 呵呵，我看你丫就是睚眦必报
: 我老说你几句显摆鸟语，你就跟我干上了
: 你这几句怎么不用鸟语啊？
: 能用道理让人闭嘴的这版上还真没几个，你以为
: 你玩点高深的就能教育人啦？我看你就是高智商
: 低情商，轮不到你说教的地方也出来放p
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c****e
发帖数: 2097 | 40 some crucial computations are not of the kind to be handled by coding.
【在 s*******n 的大作中提到】
: 现在string估计得上计算机了
: 当年纸笔，加上office就够了吧
: 话说witten说自己没写过任何code
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k*********g
发帖数: 791 | 41 倪的英语很奇怪；
总体、很多地方，非常流畅；
却在2个地方犯了 那些 流畅的人靠语感一感就能感出别扭来 的 错误；
you
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: Oh what's that? You "heard"? So how many string theory papers have you
: actually read? And how many do you
: understand? And how many string theorists have you actually talked to,
: instead of "heard about"? Seriously
: dude, you can fool yourself however you want, it's not my business. But
: since you are trying to mislead others
: on this board, I'm going to ask you to shut up when you don't know what you
: are talking about.
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k*********g
发帖数: 791 | 42 what kind of crucial computation???
could you please cite some examples??
藕应该是这个世界上最懂computation的人啦；
说些例子；
看看藕能不能帮上倪们这些大物理学家； |
w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 43 Is LHC going to discover strings at UV completion of GUT? Probably not. So
when will we ever discover strings?
The answer is we already have. Large N gauge theory is string theory. If you
didn't know about strings and
studied maximally supersymmetric gauge theories in four dimensions deep
enough you will be forced to
discover type IIB superstrings. It is the correct description of the physics
at large N. Is QCD a string theory?
Almost definitely yes, but we are not close to understanding exactly
【在 c****e 的大作中提到】
: you're prone to underestimate others, which means you cannot handle real
: real world considerations. maybe it's because of your frustration in failing
: to understand more.
: why assume just because someone can handle some fancy swancy math or some
: deep results of very orthodox theoretical physics, they have to part with
: their understandings of more elementary stuff which forms the basis on which
: the former are built?
: it isn't true that understanding string theory is in conflict with
: understanding st
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c****e
发帖数: 2097 | 44 well, go read some papers by Martin Luscher, an ex-string theorist, you will
know what kind is involved.
It isn't that having the most expensive or powerful computer or computer
scientist will help solve any physics problem.
a set of numbers without order, hierarchy, structure isn't going to do much.
【在 k*********g 的大作中提到】
: what kind of crucial computation???
: could you please cite some examples??
: 藕应该是这个世界上最懂computation的人啦；
: 说些例子；
: 看看藕能不能帮上倪们这些大物理学家；
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 45 This is too easy. How about deriving the temperature of Hawking radiation of
a Schwarzschild black hole,
computing the four fermion scattering amplitude in one-instanton background
in SU(2) gauge theory, or
computing the gauge and gravitational anomaly of ten-dimensional type I
supergravity coupled to a gauge
group G? I can easily list a hundred important computations in theoretical
physics that cannot be done with a
computer, or cannot be done with a computer before it's done by hand.:)
will
m
【在 c****e 的大作中提到】
: well, go read some papers by Martin Luscher, an ex-string theorist, you will
: know what kind is involved.
: It isn't that having the most expensive or powerful computer or computer
: scientist will help solve any physics problem.
: a set of numbers without order, hierarchy, structure isn't going to do much.
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c****e
发帖数: 2097 | 46 i rather find what you listed easier, or rather squarely solved. or maybe that's a misconception.
but getting rid of fermion doubling on lattice appears not much easier than doing the computations you mentioned.
since the op was asking for computation problems in physics, i guess lattice
comes nearby. as for the rest of the subject, it's a given that computers
don't make breakthroughs.
in any case, a computer so far does not have any experience, or develop intuitions.
of
background
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: This is too easy. How about deriving the temperature of Hawking radiation of
: a Schwarzschild black hole,
: computing the four fermion scattering amplitude in one-instanton background
: in SU(2) gauge theory, or
: computing the gauge and gravitational anomaly of ten-dimensional type I
: supergravity coupled to a gauge
: group G? I can easily list a hundred important computations in theoretical
: physics that cannot be done with a
: computer, or cannot be done with a computer before it's done by hand.:)
:
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c*******3
发帖数: 21 | 47 Based on the history of HEP development in the past 30 years, Lao Yang is
damn right.
【在 q*d 的大作中提到】
: 不是吧.
: 早在70年代的一次物理大会上,
: 当时应该是Yang-Mills场的重整化已经被证明,
: 标准模型已经确立,
: 大家都踌躇满志,
: 有人让台下的老杨的讲两句,
: 当着Weinberg,Glashaw,TD Lee等人,
: 老杨说:"The party is over."
: 就是说高能物理的盛世已经过去.
: 他后面一直是按这个看法行事的,
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 48 I don't know anything about fermions on the lattice so I won't comment on
that. But I wouldn't say the 3
problems I listed are easy. They are neat, but they are not easy. In fact, I
can think of less than 5 persons in
the whole world who can reproduce these 3 computations out of the top of
their heads without needing to
look up references. Every educated physicist knows what the Hawking
temperature is, but quite few knows
how to derive it. For example, I know a famous tenured particle physicist
【在 c****e 的大作中提到】
: i rather find what you listed easier, or rather squarely solved. or maybe that's a misconception.
: but getting rid of fermion doubling on lattice appears not much easier than doing the computations you mentioned.
: since the op was asking for computation problems in physics, i guess lattice
: comes nearby. as for the rest of the subject, it's a given that computers
: don't make breakthroughs.
: in any case, a computer so far does not have any experience, or develop intuitions.
:
: of
: background
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N***m
发帖数: 4460 | 49 知道结论不知道推导过程很正常吧。
I
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: I don't know anything about fermions on the lattice so I won't comment on
: that. But I wouldn't say the 3
: problems I listed are easy. They are neat, but they are not easy. In fact, I
: can think of less than 5 persons in
: the whole world who can reproduce these 3 computations out of the top of
: their heads without needing to
: look up references. Every educated physicist knows what the Hawking
: temperature is, but quite few knows
: how to derive it. For example, I know a famous tenured particle physicist
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 50 Of course. That is the difference between knowing and understanding.
【在 N***m 的大作中提到】
: 知道结论不知道推导过程很正常吧。
:
: I
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|
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N***m
发帖数: 4460 | 51 。。。
理解的东西时间久了也会忘掉的，特别是要知道的东西越来越多的时候。
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: Of course. That is the difference between knowing and understanding.
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e**********n
发帖数: 359 | 52 So what? What is your point? In every job, there are difficult skills that
only a few experts can master. Does
a string theorist necessarily know how to classify all simple finite groups?
What about the Fermat's
theorem? There are hundreds of examples, e.g. exactly solvable models in
condensed matter physics,
exactly solvable stochastic volatility models in mathematical finance. Even
the implementation of floating
number arithmetics on computers, which you might take for granted, is not
trivial.
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: I don't know anything about fermions on the lattice so I won't comment on
: that. But I wouldn't say the 3
: problems I listed are easy. They are neat, but they are not easy. In fact, I
: can think of less than 5 persons in
: the whole world who can reproduce these 3 computations out of the top of
: their heads without needing to
: look up references. Every educated physicist knows what the Hawking
: temperature is, but quite few knows
: how to derive it. For example, I know a famous tenured particle physicist
|
w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 53 What you are saying has absolutely nothing to do with my post. Not sure why
you were replying to me.
By the way, string theorists do know what the monster group is. We know a lot about monstrous
moonshine. We also know about elliptic curves, the Weil conjecture, exact solutions of sine-Gordon models
and integrable spin chains. It is not just because we have more curiosity than other physicists. All of these
came up in different contexts in string theory.
groups?
Even
【在 e**********n 的大作中提到】
: So what? What is your point? In every job, there are difficult skills that
: only a few experts can master. Does
: a string theorist necessarily know how to classify all simple finite groups?
: What about the Fermat's
: theorem? There are hundreds of examples, e.g. exactly solvable models in
: condensed matter physics,
: exactly solvable stochastic volatility models in mathematical finance. Even
: the implementation of floating
: number arithmetics on computers, which you might take for granted, is not
: trivial.
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e**********n
发帖数: 359 | 54 That Nobel Laureate also told me not to be arrogant. At that time, I didn't
think I was arrogant, but what I was
doing simply came up naturally in my speech. Today I don't think I intended
to be arrogant, but just the
perception of the listener was so, even the listener was thought to be an
elite physicist.
Andrew Wiles does not need to prove to the public that he knows a lot about
analytic number theory, or
algebraic curves, or everything else so on and on. He works in his field
silently, knowi
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: What you are saying has absolutely nothing to do with my post. Not sure why
: you were replying to me.
: By the way, string theorists do know what the monster group is. We know a lot about monstrous
: moonshine. We also know about elliptic curves, the Weil conjecture, exact solutions of sine-Gordon models
: and integrable spin chains. It is not just because we have more curiosity than other physicists. All of these
: came up in different contexts in string theory.
:
: groups?
: Even
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 55 In fact, string theorists are the most open minded group of physicists I know of. However, we don't tolerate
ignorance. Arrogance is okay, ignorance is not okay. Do I enjoy talking to an arrogant person? If he knows
more than I do, then definitely yes. There is a very arrogant physicist in New Jersey (no, I'm not talking
about Ed :) ), and I enjoy talking to him every time because there are lots I can learn from him.
It is not my duty to educate you about string theory, but I suggest you learn a
【在 e**********n 的大作中提到】
: That Nobel Laureate also told me not to be arrogant. At that time, I didn't
: think I was arrogant, but what I was
: doing simply came up naturally in my speech. Today I don't think I intended
: to be arrogant, but just the
: perception of the listener was so, even the listener was thought to be an
: elite physicist.
: Andrew Wiles does not need to prove to the public that he knows a lot about
: analytic number theory, or
: algebraic curves, or everything else so on and on. He works in his field
: silently, knowi
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e**********n
发帖数: 359 | 56 Easy easy, there's nothing wrong with BSO on BBS, but it's your fault to
assume that only you have something
to BSO.
know of. However, we don't tolerate
an arrogant person? If he knows
New Jersey (no, I'm not talking
lots I can learn from him.
learn a little more about string
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: In fact, string theorists are the most open minded group of physicists I know of. However, we don't tolerate
: ignorance. Arrogance is okay, ignorance is not okay. Do I enjoy talking to an arrogant person? If he knows
: more than I do, then definitely yes. There is a very arrogant physicist in New Jersey (no, I'm not talking
: about Ed :) ), and I enjoy talking to him every time because there are lots I can learn from him.
: It is not my duty to educate you about string theory, but I suggest you learn a
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 57 Dude, I'm not even showing off. You asked me if string theorists know about
classification of simple finite
groups etc etc, and I was answering your question.
【在 e**********n 的大作中提到】
: Easy easy, there's nothing wrong with BSO on BBS, but it's your fault to
: assume that only you have something
: to BSO.
:
: know of. However, we don't tolerate
: an arrogant person? If he knows
: New Jersey (no, I'm not talking
: lots I can learn from him.
: learn a little more about string
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e**********n
发帖数: 359 | 58 Man, that was rhetoric not even a question. If there had been a question for
you to answer, you failed.
about
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: Dude, I'm not even showing off. You asked me if string theorists know about
: classification of simple finite
: groups etc etc, and I was answering your question.
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 59 Well, in that case you just made yourself sound more stupid, assuming string
theorists don't know what
sporadic groups are.
for
【在 e**********n 的大作中提到】
: Man, that was rhetoric not even a question. If there had been a question for
: you to answer, you failed.
:
: about
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c****e
发帖数: 2097 | 60 they are all in some book, or old paper from 80s.
but it's true, someone who knows all three is a champion.
I
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: I don't know anything about fermions on the lattice so I won't comment on
: that. But I wouldn't say the 3
: problems I listed are easy. They are neat, but they are not easy. In fact, I
: can think of less than 5 persons in
: the whole world who can reproduce these 3 computations out of the top of
: their heads without needing to
: look up references. Every educated physicist knows what the Hawking
: temperature is, but quite few knows
: how to derive it. For example, I know a famous tenured particle physicist
|
|
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c****e
发帖数: 2097 | 61 i assume there's no need to understand whether we are alone in a computer
game, or in a market? the answer is plain and clear and self obvious.
such is not the case for those trying to understand cosmology or related
subject matters.
your critic is unfair, as common people indeed lacked and lacks interest in
such questions, and physicists are feeling ignored rather than enjoying the
solitude.
if you have jealousy towards this, i say your lack of confidence or over
sensitivity is at a very high l
【在 e**********n 的大作中提到】
: So what? What is your point? In every job, there are difficult skills that
: only a few experts can master. Does
: a string theorist necessarily know how to classify all simple finite groups?
: What about the Fermat's
: theorem? There are hundreds of examples, e.g. exactly solvable models in
: condensed matter physics,
: exactly solvable stochastic volatility models in mathematical finance. Even
: the implementation of floating
: number arithmetics on computers, which you might take for granted, is not
: trivial.
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c****e
发帖数: 2097 | 62 i see, you talk to nobel laureate and fields medalist. never mind small
string theorist, will ya?
let people have their fun their way. don't be the b*tch who spoils the party
. hohoho
t
intended
about
【在 e**********n 的大作中提到】
: That Nobel Laureate also told me not to be arrogant. At that time, I didn't
: think I was arrogant, but what I was
: doing simply came up naturally in my speech. Today I don't think I intended
: to be arrogant, but just the
: perception of the listener was so, even the listener was thought to be an
: elite physicist.
: Andrew Wiles does not need to prove to the public that he knows a lot about
: analytic number theory, or
: algebraic curves, or everything else so on and on. He works in his field
: silently, knowi
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 63 String theorists may have bigger ambitions than merely "understanding" the
proof of Fermat's last theorem.:) As little as I know about fermat's last
theorem, the key is the modularity of elliptic curves over the field of
rational numbers. This is part of the much much bigger and broader Langlands
program. And even though I cannot quite appreciate the connection, experts
in the field have formulated the geometric version, hoping to gain
intuitions on the arithmetic Langlands program. And thanks t
【在 c****e 的大作中提到】
: i assume there's no need to understand whether we are alone in a computer
: game, or in a market? the answer is plain and clear and self obvious.
: such is not the case for those trying to understand cosmology or related
: subject matters.
: your critic is unfair, as common people indeed lacked and lacks interest in
: such questions, and physicists are feeling ignored rather than enjoying the
: solitude.
: if you have jealousy towards this, i say your lack of confidence or over
: sensitivity is at a very high l
|
w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 64 There appears to be two overlaps, or three if you count one of the founding
fathers of string theory, or four if you count MK as a string theorist.:)
party
【在 c****e 的大作中提到】
: i see, you talk to nobel laureate and fields medalist. never mind small
: string theorist, will ya?
: let people have their fun their way. don't be the b*tch who spoils the party
: . hohoho
:
: t
: intended
: about
|
e**********n
发帖数: 359 | 65
in
the
This is exactly what I said. Without raising these questions, these
physicists feel to have been left out of the
party.
So, what is worth jealousy here? If you hear the same kind of platitude in
one seminar and another, do you
just sleep over it or construct a theory for the underlying motivation, like
a physicist does?
I agree with you on this point, and your following comments. Hopefully, you'
ll agree that there is no need for
any string theorist to blow him/herself larger than what h
【在 c****e 的大作中提到】
: i assume there's no need to understand whether we are alone in a computer
: game, or in a market? the answer is plain and clear and self obvious.
: such is not the case for those trying to understand cosmology or related
: subject matters.
: your critic is unfair, as common people indeed lacked and lacks interest in
: such questions, and physicists are feeling ignored rather than enjoying the
: solitude.
: if you have jealousy towards this, i say your lack of confidence or over
: sensitivity is at a very high l
|
w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 66 You are wrong. We string theorists kick ass, and you suck.
Seriously, it seems that your knowledge of string theory comes entirely from
TV shows, which led to many of your misconceptions.
like
you'
【在 e**********n 的大作中提到】
:
: in
: the
: This is exactly what I said. Without raising these questions, these
: physicists feel to have been left out of the
: party.
: So, what is worth jealousy here? If you hear the same kind of platitude in
: one seminar and another, do you
: just sleep over it or construct a theory for the underlying motivation, like
: a physicist does?
|
e**********n
发帖数: 359 | 67 别在bbs上浪费时间了，世界上不缺你这号人。
from
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: You are wrong. We string theorists kick ass, and you suck.
: Seriously, it seems that your knowledge of string theory comes entirely from
: TV shows, which led to many of your misconceptions.
:
: like
: you'
|
w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 68 I mostly come on mitbbs to chat with my friends on the running board, only
drop by the physics board for occasional entertainment but then I always
feel the urge to prevent the spreading of ignorance by your kinds.
【在 e**********n 的大作中提到】
: 别在bbs上浪费时间了，世界上不缺你这号人。
:
: from
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e**********n
发帖数: 359 | 69 跑步就你这水平还是回家抱孩子吧，你最好开个跳绳版，自己做斑竹。：D
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: I mostly come on mitbbs to chat with my friends on the running board, only
: drop by the physics board for occasional entertainment but then I always
: feel the urge to prevent the spreading of ignorance by your kinds.
|
w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 70 This is a free country, I do what I enjoy doing and I couldn't care less
whether you think I'm good at it or not. I enjoy running as well as spending time with my daughter, but skipping ropes is not something I enjoy doing. I would love to meet you in a race, and see how fast you are.:)
【在 e**********n 的大作中提到】
: 跑步就你这水平还是回家抱孩子吧，你最好开个跳绳版，自己做斑竹。：D
|
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s*******n
发帖数: 1474 | 71
spending time with my daughter, but skipping ropes is not something I enjoy
doing. I would love to meet you in a race, and see how fast you are.:)
短跑还是长跑？
阁下应该是耐力型的吧
按理说鱼与熊掌不可兼得
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: This is a free country, I do what I enjoy doing and I couldn't care less
: whether you think I'm good at it or not. I enjoy running as well as spending time with my daughter, but skipping ropes is not something I enjoy doing. I would love to meet you in a race, and see how fast you are.:)
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 72 hehe, I totally suck at sprints. I'm not fast at long distance either, but
it's better than my sprints. I know that eventhorizon is a sprinter type and
a swimmer, so I was curious how fast he is at middle/long distances.
enjoy
【在 s*******n 的大作中提到】
:
: spending time with my daughter, but skipping ropes is not something I enjoy
: doing. I would love to meet you in a race, and see how fast you are.:)
: 短跑还是长跑？
: 阁下应该是耐力型的吧
: 按理说鱼与熊掌不可兼得
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e**********n
发帖数: 359 | 73
spending time with my daughter, but
skipping ropes is not something I enjoy doing. I would love to meet you in a
race, and see how fast you are.:)
看来玄学家都是郭靖一样的人，说话不能绕个弯子的，否则他不见棺材不掉泪。
这样说吧，你以为你练了几年长跑就了不起了，全世界都要跟你比长跑？奥运会难道是
为Haile Gebrselassie一个人开的？
我刘家的祖传绝技是110m栏，虽然屁哀去地以后疏于练习，但PK任何一个玄学家还绰绰
有余。不怕摔死的就放马过来
吧！
让你开个跳绳版是让你学以至用。你如果要是觉得比跑步吃亏，想在同一水平线上比的
话，跳绳也是可以的，不过如果两
分钟跳不到400个，建议你不要来出这个丑。
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: This is a free country, I do what I enjoy doing and I couldn't care less
: whether you think I'm good at it or not. I enjoy running as well as spending time with my daughter, but skipping ropes is not something I enjoy doing. I would love to meet you in a race, and see how fast you are.:)
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s*******n
发帖数: 1474 | 74 有人跟我比静坐么？
我天天练这个的
a
【在 e**********n 的大作中提到】
:
: spending time with my daughter, but
: skipping ropes is not something I enjoy doing. I would love to meet you in a
: race, and see how fast you are.:)
: 看来玄学家都是郭靖一样的人，说话不能绕个弯子的，否则他不见棺材不掉泪。
: 这样说吧，你以为你练了几年长跑就了不起了，全世界都要跟你比长跑？奥运会难道是
: 为Haile Gebrselassie一个人开的？
: 我刘家的祖传绝技是110m栏，虽然屁哀去地以后疏于练习，但PK任何一个玄学家还绰绰
: 有余。不怕摔死的就放马过来
: 吧！
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 75 Now I must agree with cosine. You are truly a very insecure person. I never
meant to show off with my comments, but you feel that way every time, and
feel the need to attack me to regain your confidence, instead of
appreciating some dry humor and play along with it. You know what, forget about running, swimming,
or skipping ropes. We should just have a UFC style cage match.
a
【在 e**********n 的大作中提到】
:
: spending time with my daughter, but
: skipping ropes is not something I enjoy doing. I would love to meet you in a
: race, and see how fast you are.:)
: 看来玄学家都是郭靖一样的人，说话不能绕个弯子的，否则他不见棺材不掉泪。
: 这样说吧，你以为你练了几年长跑就了不起了，全世界都要跟你比长跑？奥运会难道是
: 为Haile Gebrselassie一个人开的？
: 我刘家的祖传绝技是110m栏，虽然屁哀去地以后疏于练习，但PK任何一个玄学家还绰绰
: 有余。不怕摔死的就放马过来
: 吧！
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q*d
发帖数: 22178 | 76 你们一个中文一个英文也能掐的如此绵绵不绝...
never
about running, swimming,
in
道是
绰绰
比的
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: Now I must agree with cosine. You are truly a very insecure person. I never
: meant to show off with my comments, but you feel that way every time, and
: feel the need to attack me to regain your confidence, instead of
: appreciating some dry humor and play along with it. You know what, forget about running, swimming,
: or skipping ropes. We should just have a UFC style cage match.
:
: a
|
w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 77 I don't even know how the argument started. Did the guy lose his job to a
string theorist or something? He is clearly not in a playful mood. I gotta
go. Good night everyone.
【在 q*d 的大作中提到】
: 你们一个中文一个英文也能掐的如此绵绵不绝...
:
: never
: about running, swimming,
: in
: 道是
: 绰绰
: 比的
|
e**********n
发帖数: 359 | 78 要赤膊上阵，whxhm的身板给我做沙袋都嫌太轻。
我也来总结呈词一番。昨天的帖子我既往不咎，今天是whxhm学习时开小差挑起事端，
同样的道理我翻来覆去说了好几遍
了，就此打住。
我们就算不打不相识吧，祝whxhm君发很多很多很多很多的paper，早日掀起玄界第三次
革命，接着是第四次，第五
次,..... 相信多年之后whxhm一定桃李遍地，走到那里都有徒子徒孙开路架桥杀猪宰羊
，以迎大架。
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: I don't even know how the argument started. Did the guy lose his job to a
: string theorist or something? He is clearly not in a playful mood. I gotta
: go. Good night everyone.
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 79 Dude, I don't even know what 道理 you are trying to explain, but let me give
some serious answers to your questions for once.
1. The discovery channel shows are obviously for amateurs. We laugh at it
when Brian Greene tries to explain anomalies by drawing the analogy of 1 not
equal to 0. Here the students even made fun of him for it in the puppet
show. Where are we from? How was the universe born? No string theorists
ponder about such questions all day. String theorists are only interested in
ques
【在 e**********n 的大作中提到】
: 要赤膊上阵，whxhm的身板给我做沙袋都嫌太轻。
: 我也来总结呈词一番。昨天的帖子我既往不咎，今天是whxhm学习时开小差挑起事端，
: 同样的道理我翻来覆去说了好几遍
: 了，就此打住。
: 我们就算不打不相识吧，祝whxhm君发很多很多很多很多的paper，早日掀起玄界第三次
: 革命，接着是第四次，第五
: 次,..... 相信多年之后whxhm一定桃李遍地，走到那里都有徒子徒孙开路架桥杀猪宰羊
: ，以迎大架。
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c****e
发帖数: 146 | 80 说得很好，
受教了。
give
not
in
t
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: Dude, I don't even know what 道理 you are trying to explain, but let me give
: some serious answers to your questions for once.
: 1. The discovery channel shows are obviously for amateurs. We laugh at it
: when Brian Greene tries to explain anomalies by drawing the analogy of 1 not
: equal to 0. Here the students even made fun of him for it in the puppet
: show. Where are we from? How was the universe born? No string theorists
: ponder about such questions all day. String theorists are only interested in
: ques
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发帖数: 369 | 81 理论还是要发展一点的吧。
而且他们也不要什么大型仪器，顶多出国开开会什么的，为什么不keep一批人呢？
【在 C********n 的大作中提到】
: 说白了领导就是看上了玄学家嘴巴大敢胡吹这点，博点钱给你们让你们
: happy happy,吃饱喝足之余顺便发点垃圾paper作为成就，大家脸上好看
: 支持应用技术当然好，问题是实用的东西要经得起考验的，这超玄等考验，
: 切得几十年呢
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