j******w
发帖数: 4429 | 1 以后奔省队的队员有点参考了,不用空对空了
No. expr. date name rating state
last play
19215 1/1/1970 Wang, Hao 2668 FN 7/6/2002
14122 1/1/1970 Wang, Liqin 2907 FN 7/6/2002
14215 1/1/1970 Ma, Lin 2899 FN 7/6/2002
20363 1/1/1970 Qiu, Yi Ke 2840
11/28/1999
24547 1/1/1970 Zhang, Yining 2735 FN 12/29/2008 |
j*******d
发帖数: 8834 | 2 can't use that as a reference
how in the world can wang hao be rated only 2668?????
and wang liqin is almost 300 points higher?
even wang liqin is underated with 2907 rating
they suggested that the top 10 men should be around 3200 using USATT's
rating
I watched some 2600 level US players played in 2004 US open against some top
30 dudes, the 2600 guys were TOYED. |
j******w
发帖数: 4429 | 3 wang hao's last play is 2002, therefore, 2668 is ok...
wang liqin and ma lin in 2002 is at their peak time...therefore, top pro
player is about 2900
base on this reference system. I think it is reasonable...
top
【在 j*******d 的大作中提到】
: can't use that as a reference
: how in the world can wang hao be rated only 2668?????
: and wang liqin is almost 300 points higher?
: even wang liqin is underated with 2907 rating
: they suggested that the top 10 men should be around 3200 using USATT's
: rating
: I watched some 2600 level US players played in 2004 US open against some top
: 30 dudes, the 2600 guys were TOYED.
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j******w
发帖数: 4429 | 4 one more,
24528 1/1/1970 Boll, Timo 2801 FN 7/8/2001
【在 j******w 的大作中提到】
: wang hao's last play is 2002, therefore, 2668 is ok...
: wang liqin and ma lin in 2002 is at their peak time...therefore, top pro
: player is about 2900
: base on this reference system. I think it is reasonable...
:
: top
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h**d
发帖数: 5161 | 5 You serious? Zhang Yining could beat people around 2700 in 2002, and Wanghao
was only 2668?
【在 j******w 的大作中提到】
: wang hao's last play is 2002, therefore, 2668 is ok...
: wang liqin and ma lin in 2002 is at their peak time...therefore, top pro
: player is about 2900
: base on this reference system. I think it is reasonable...
:
: top
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j******w
发帖数: 4429 | 6 zhang yining got 2735 in 2008....
Wanghao
【在 h**d 的大作中提到】
: You serious? Zhang Yining could beat people around 2700 in 2002, and Wanghao
: was only 2668?
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h**d
发帖数: 5161 | 7 what was your point? Wanghao sucks?
【在 j******w 的大作中提到】
: zhang yining got 2735 in 2008....
:
: Wanghao
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j******w
发帖数: 4429 | 8 in about 2002 wang hao joined national team from PLA team...
so it is ok he was 2668 at that time, but not 2 years later and now...
does it make sense?
【在 h**d 的大作中提到】
: what was your point? Wanghao sucks?
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h**d
发帖数: 5161 | 9 If you want to say Zhang Yining can beat Wanghao in 2002, I have nothing to
say.
Any player in SuperLeague in China can easily pass 2700 in USA, don't need a
national team member. Most people play in AA league can pass 2600.
【在 j******w 的大作中提到】
: in about 2002 wang hao joined national team from PLA team...
: so it is ok he was 2668 at that time, but not 2 years later and now...
: does it make sense?
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h****a
发帖数: 5058 | 10 Since USATT tours didnt have much quality players, it tends to underrate pro
players. And for PROs, rating doesnt matter anyway. If you really want to
have an idea about what are those ppl's relative rating, check www.
ratingscentral.com. I believe they have better ratings for PROs.
【在 j******w 的大作中提到】
: in about 2002 wang hao joined national team from PLA team...
: so it is ok he was 2668 at that time, but not 2 years later and now...
: does it make sense?
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j*******d
发帖数: 8834 | 11 hehe
so, u really think a 2668 level player could join the NATIONAL team????
so some of the juniors in USA did reach 2600+ level and they are good enough
for chinese national team?
how could timo boll only rated 2801 , e.g only 50 points higher than the
highest USA player, so you really think the highest rated USA player has
even a chance (lopi in this case, rated about 2760) to take timo boll? Do
you even know that for lopi's level, he hardly can even make into top 64/32
in a ITTF pro tour event -- he might not EVEN make out of the RR group? And
I watched him play 庄智渊 in 2004, he was KILLED, no freaking chance.
I'm telling ya, you can't look at international player's USATT rating. They
're just bull crap way underated.
【在 j******w 的大作中提到】
: in about 2002 wang hao joined national team from PLA team...
: so it is ok he was 2668 at that time, but not 2 years later and now...
: does it make sense?
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w******a
发帖数: 2592 | 12 高军出去时候是啥水平？
top
【在 j*******d 的大作中提到】
: can't use that as a reference
: how in the world can wang hao be rated only 2668?????
: and wang liqin is almost 300 points higher?
: even wang liqin is underated with 2907 rating
: they suggested that the top 10 men should be around 3200 using USATT's
: rating
: I watched some 2600 level US players played in 2004 US open against some top
: 30 dudes, the 2600 guys were TOYED.
|
j******w
发帖数: 4429 | 13 calm down, man.
the infomation only tells us Zhang yining's 2008 usatt ratings is higher
than
that of wang hao's 2002 usatt ratings. nothing more...
could current zhang yining can beat 2002's wang hao? nobody knows...
as to
"Any player in SuperLeague in China can easily pass 2700 in USA, don't need
a
come and play first, no air to air......
to
a |
l******r
发帖数: 3472 | 14 一般定理還有個適用範圍。
need
【在 j******w 的大作中提到】
: calm down, man.
: the infomation only tells us Zhang yining's 2008 usatt ratings is higher
: than
: that of wang hao's 2002 usatt ratings. nothing more...
: could current zhang yining can beat 2002's wang hao? nobody knows...
: as to
: "Any player in SuperLeague in China can easily pass 2700 in USA, don't need
: a
: come and play first, no air to air......
: to
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h**d
发帖数: 5161 | 15 Zhang 2002 rating was 2600+, and she won all matches in 2002 include one
almost 2700. So She is pretty much 2700 or at least close right?
Do you think in 2002, Zhang can beat Wang?
need
【在 j******w 的大作中提到】
: calm down, man.
: the infomation only tells us Zhang yining's 2008 usatt ratings is higher
: than
: that of wang hao's 2002 usatt ratings. nothing more...
: could current zhang yining can beat 2002's wang hao? nobody knows...
: as to
: "Any player in SuperLeague in China can easily pass 2700 in USA, don't need
: a
: come and play first, no air to air......
: to
|
j******w
发帖数: 4429 | 16 ok, then go ahead to air to air...
【在 l******r 的大作中提到】
: 一般定理還有個適用範圍。
:
: need
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j******w
发帖数: 4429 | 17 if zhang met wang and lost,
then wang 's ratings goes up and zhang 's drops...
if they did't meet, then hard to say base on this reference system...
if you played usatt sponsor game, you will see alot of this kind of ting..
【在 h**d 的大作中提到】
: Zhang 2002 rating was 2600+, and she won all matches in 2002 include one
: almost 2700. So She is pretty much 2700 or at least close right?
: Do you think in 2002, Zhang can beat Wang?
:
: need
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c**l
发帖数: 9003 | |
j******w
发帖数: 4429 | 19 data talks
Wang, Hao
2002 U.S. Open/ITTF Pro Tour
Rating before tournament: 0 (adjusted to 2668)
Rating after tournament: 2668
Rating change: 2668
see complete history for Wang, Hao Event Results
Score
Rating +/-
Wins
Musa, Atanda (2630) complete history
- 6
Losses
Leung, Chu Yan (2707) complete history
- -6
do you know who leung is ?
I have no clue about this guy...
enough
32
And
【在 j*******d 的大作中提到】
: hehe
: so, u really think a 2668 level player could join the NATIONAL team????
: so some of the juniors in USA did reach 2600+ level and they are good enough
: for chinese national team?
: how could timo boll only rated 2801 , e.g only 50 points higher than the
: highest USA player, so you really think the highest rated USA player has
: even a chance (lopi in this case, rated about 2760) to take timo boll? Do
: you even know that for lopi's level, he hardly can even make into top 64/32
: in a ITTF pro tour event -- he might not EVEN make out of the RR group? And
: I watched him play 庄智渊 in 2004, he was KILLED, no freaking chance.
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j******w
发帖数: 4429 | 20 those are two different systems just
like 5 point and 100 point.
I am saying what score province team player will be
in usatt system, no ittf system
pro
【在 h****a 的大作中提到】
: Since USATT tours didnt have much quality players, it tends to underrate pro
: players. And for PROs, rating doesnt matter anyway. If you really want to
: have an idea about what are those ppl's relative rating, check www.
: ratingscentral.com. I believe they have better ratings for PROs.
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r****x
发帖数: 1250 | 21 其实有一点大家得明白，美国这个积分系统完全是跟对手相关的，美国国内的比赛难得
有积分很高的选手，水
平极高的选手再怎么羸球积分也高不到2900 3000，因为他涨到2900就不怎么涨了。当
然有些比赛象美国公开赛
有国际选手参加，可是这些人如果以前没打过美国的比赛，只能给个初始分，也不会给
的太高。然后输一场，分
就更低了。象王浩显然就是这样，来打一次，还输一场，那分跟本就没法准。在这个积
分糸统下讨论偶尔来打一
次比赛的选手的积分，没有什么意义。
非要整国内省队的队员的积分，垃圾风的实例很管用，庄智渊赢美国头号（当然是几年
前）那么轻松，他也打过
国内超级联赛，大家看看他的胜负就明白了。
【在 j******w 的大作中提到】
: those are two different systems just
: like 5 point and 100 point.
: I am saying what score province team player will be
: in usatt system, no ittf system
:
: pro
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j******w
发帖数: 4429 | 22 2002年以前 us open 还是ittf pro tour得时候
王励勤 马林他们打得挺多 王励勤一度还到了2957，后来输给
秦志戬掉了50。那时候 马王到了巅峰 所以中国top（当然也是世界）2900+
这个也给了usatt player得upper bound.
大家对王皓2001年才2668难理解 这也正常 他就打了2场
最要命是还输给了2707得一位，你让usatt怎么给他打分？
比如垃圾风输给一个1500得 那怎么证明他有1900+
1。接着打usatt 得比赛 赢几个1900得就完了
2。平常私低下赢得都是些1900+得
王皓就是类似第2种情况 他后来在别的更高体系证明了他世界冠军得水平
垃圾风喜欢举庄智渊在乒超得战绩 但是能在乒超打得基本上都是国字号的
第一台更是几大主力，我的概念里雷振华都不是第一台的，
现在主要不是讨论国字号的 而是省字号的，我喜欢举陈卫星的例子
他现在2776，你要是随便找个省队的说我把他灭了，有这样的队员么？
usatt underrate得情况大家都反映 但是你去参加他的比赛你还得用
你现在的分，而且你可以参加好几个level 赢了就是了
随着打比赛越多，你会觉得这个评价体系还挺有意思的
【在 r****x 的大作中提到】
: 其实有一点大家得明白，美国这个积分系统完全是跟对手相关的，美国国内的比赛难得
: 有积分很高的选手，水
: 平极高的选手再怎么羸球积分也高不到2900 3000，因为他涨到2900就不怎么涨了。当
: 然有些比赛象美国公开赛
: 有国际选手参加，可是这些人如果以前没打过美国的比赛，只能给个初始分，也不会给
: 的太高。然后输一场，分
: 就更低了。象王浩显然就是这样，来打一次，还输一场，那分跟本就没法准。在这个积
: 分糸统下讨论偶尔来打一
: 次比赛的选手的积分，没有什么意义。
: 非要整国内省队的队员的积分，垃圾风的实例很管用，庄智渊赢美国头号（当然是几年
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