S*******s
发帖数: 13043 | 1 【 以下文字转载自 Working 讨论区 】
发信人: StarVenus (参商*极品磨工), 信区: Working
标 题: 大家是怎么对奖金表示不满的？
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Jan 16 08:41:52 2013, 美东)
昨天宣布奖金，我之前的年终评价是A+，而且我们的产品去年还是赚了些钱的，所以还
是有点期许。宣布以后比较失望，就直接跟老板说了。老板尽力解释，说我的奖金在组
里已经是比较高的了，而且因为我的基本工资比较高所以奖金就显得低了，之类的。说
实话这老板平常对我也还行。我对他表示感谢就去叫下一个人了。
事后想想是不是当时表现得有点过，让他觉得我太贪婪？ |
T*******t
发帖数: 9274 | 2 主要是没啥用...所以没啥必要
另一个方面说明你老板expectation management做得不好
【在 S*******s 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 Working 讨论区 】
: 发信人: StarVenus (参商*极品磨工), 信区: Working
: 标 题: 大家是怎么对奖金表示不满的？
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Jan 16 08:41:52 2013, 美东)
: 昨天宣布奖金，我之前的年终评价是A+，而且我们的产品去年还是赚了些钱的，所以还
: 是有点期许。宣布以后比较失望，就直接跟老板说了。老板尽力解释，说我的奖金在组
: 里已经是比较高的了，而且因为我的基本工资比较高所以奖金就显得低了，之类的。说
: 实话这老板平常对我也还行。我对他表示感谢就去叫下一个人了。
: 事后想想是不是当时表现得有点过，让他觉得我太贪婪？
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p****u
发帖数: 2596 | 3 你这个贴子看的我真郁闷。
我也应该象你这么大胆直接跟老板说钱发的不够。现在都错过了说的机会。
【在 S*******s 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 Working 讨论区 】
: 发信人: StarVenus (参商*极品磨工), 信区: Working
: 标 题: 大家是怎么对奖金表示不满的？
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Jan 16 08:41:52 2013, 美东)
: 昨天宣布奖金，我之前的年终评价是A+，而且我们的产品去年还是赚了些钱的，所以还
: 是有点期许。宣布以后比较失望，就直接跟老板说了。老板尽力解释，说我的奖金在组
: 里已经是比较高的了，而且因为我的基本工资比较高所以奖金就显得低了，之类的。说
: 实话这老板平常对我也还行。我对他表示感谢就去叫下一个人了。
: 事后想想是不是当时表现得有点过，让他觉得我太贪婪？
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z****s
发帖数: 532 | |
l******n
发帖数: 9344 | 5 BSO base高！
【在 S*******s 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 Working 讨论区 】
: 发信人: StarVenus (参商*极品磨工), 信区: Working
: 标 题: 大家是怎么对奖金表示不满的？
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Jan 16 08:41:52 2013, 美东)
: 昨天宣布奖金，我之前的年终评价是A+，而且我们的产品去年还是赚了些钱的，所以还
: 是有点期许。宣布以后比较失望，就直接跟老板说了。老板尽力解释，说我的奖金在组
: 里已经是比较高的了，而且因为我的基本工资比较高所以奖金就显得低了，之类的。说
: 实话这老板平常对我也还行。我对他表示感谢就去叫下一个人了。
: 事后想想是不是当时表现得有点过，让他觉得我太贪婪？
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B**********n
发帖数: 57 | 6 Rule #1: Never Never complain bonus till you resign
Rule #2: Never Never work less due to disappointing bonus till you resign
It is simply binary, either you vote by walking, or you stay, in that case
complaint does you no good |
c***1
发帖数: 652 | 7 你complain也没用，你老板拿到的bonus pool估计就少的可怜，他也变不出钱来呀，也
不能都给你呀。 |
N*****m
发帖数: 42603 | 8 一点都不
【在 S*******s 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 Working 讨论区 】
: 发信人: StarVenus (参商*极品磨工), 信区: Working
: 标 题: 大家是怎么对奖金表示不满的？
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Jan 16 08:41:52 2013, 美东)
: 昨天宣布奖金，我之前的年终评价是A+，而且我们的产品去年还是赚了些钱的，所以还
: 是有点期许。宣布以后比较失望，就直接跟老板说了。老板尽力解释，说我的奖金在组
: 里已经是比较高的了，而且因为我的基本工资比较高所以奖金就显得低了，之类的。说
: 实话这老板平常对我也还行。我对他表示感谢就去叫下一个人了。
: 事后想想是不是当时表现得有点过，让他觉得我太贪婪？
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f****g
发帖数: 2073 | 9 re. 人有的时候贪起来大脑会短路
【在 B**********n 的大作中提到】
: Rule #1: Never Never complain bonus till you resign
: Rule #2: Never Never work less due to disappointing bonus till you resign
: It is simply binary, either you vote by walking, or you stay, in that case
: complaint does you no good
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EM
发帖数: 715 | 10 年终评价A+是为了留住你
给你少点钱，你老板就多拿钱，懂了吗？
【在 S*******s 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 Working 讨论区 】
: 发信人: StarVenus (参商*极品磨工), 信区: Working
: 标 题: 大家是怎么对奖金表示不满的？
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Jan 16 08:41:52 2013, 美东)
: 昨天宣布奖金，我之前的年终评价是A+，而且我们的产品去年还是赚了些钱的，所以还
: 是有点期许。宣布以后比较失望，就直接跟老板说了。老板尽力解释，说我的奖金在组
: 里已经是比较高的了，而且因为我的基本工资比较高所以奖金就显得低了，之类的。说
: 实话这老板平常对我也还行。我对他表示感谢就去叫下一个人了。
: 事后想想是不是当时表现得有点过，让他觉得我太贪婪？
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S*******s
发帖数: 13043 | 11 我是不是应该和老板的老板谈谈心的一年的规划之类的，看看自己还有多少提升空间？
还在等绿卡，所以能不跳还是不跳了
【在 EM 的大作中提到】
: 年终评价A+是为了留住你
: 给你少点钱，你老板就多拿钱，懂了吗？
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p****u
发帖数: 2596 | 12 规划就是空头支票把.
叫你老板给你加今年的base.【 在 StarVenus (参商*极品磨工) 的大作中提到: 】 |
EM
发帖数: 715 | 13 我感觉老板主动和你谈心（注意不是谈话！），可能会好好培养你，给你个规划什么的
，加个base，告诉你一些公司的内幕结构啥的。
老板被动和你谈心，基本上都是扯淡，不知道大家感觉怎么样？
【在 S*******s 的大作中提到】
: 我是不是应该和老板的老板谈谈心的一年的规划之类的，看看自己还有多少提升空间？
: 还在等绿卡，所以能不跳还是不跳了
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s*******s
发帖数: 1568 | 14 bank? The bonus pool for each group is tied to the performance of the whole
S&T division.
【在 S*******s 的大作中提到】
: 我是不是应该和老板的老板谈谈心的一年的规划之类的，看看自己还有多少提升空间？
: 还在等绿卡，所以能不跳还是不跳了
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p******i
发帖数: 1358 | 15 this is simply not true
【在 B**********n 的大作中提到】
: Rule #1: Never Never complain bonus till you resign
: Rule #2: Never Never work less due to disappointing bonus till you resign
: It is simply binary, either you vote by walking, or you stay, in that case
: complaint does you no good
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l********n
发帖数: 486 | 16 奖金不是工资的百分之几吗？怎么会base高就显得低呢？估计只有跳了才会涨。
【在 S*******s 的大作中提到】
: 我是不是应该和老板的老板谈谈心的一年的规划之类的，看看自己还有多少提升空间？
: 还在等绿卡，所以能不跳还是不跳了
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Y******u
发帖数: 1912 | 17 no firm would decide your bonus based on your base, at least in wall st. It'
s always a dollar number.
% of base is just a convenient way to express your number without giving too
much information.
【在 l********n 的大作中提到】
: 奖金不是工资的百分之几吗？怎么会base高就显得低呢？估计只有跳了才会涨。
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d*j
发帖数: 13780 | 18 BSO 高base啊
这年头高的base才是王道
【在 S*******s 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 Working 讨论区 】
: 发信人: StarVenus (参商*极品磨工), 信区: Working
: 标 题: 大家是怎么对奖金表示不满的？
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Jan 16 08:41:52 2013, 美东)
: 昨天宣布奖金，我之前的年终评价是A+，而且我们的产品去年还是赚了些钱的，所以还
: 是有点期许。宣布以后比较失望，就直接跟老板说了。老板尽力解释，说我的奖金在组
: 里已经是比较高的了，而且因为我的基本工资比较高所以奖金就显得低了，之类的。说
: 实话这老板平常对我也还行。我对他表示感谢就去叫下一个人了。
: 事后想想是不是当时表现得有点过，让他觉得我太贪婪？
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B**********n
发帖数: 57 | 19 Bonus process is complex. Just a few random points
1. It is a whole year relationship building story - if your # comes as a big
negative surprise for you, you need to think about if there is something
wrong between you and your manager
2. Official process often starts around November - of course shops have
varying practice. Direct manager sends up proposal to his boss, and so on,
and so forth, pools it up, of course with top-down guidance on the pool size
. Sometimes there are even forced ranking, for the pie cutting, and nowadays
also layoff candidates. If you are the so-called inner circle of your
direct manager, you should know the ballpark # before YE. The # is not final
, as the chain of bosses will adjust, but usually it is around there.
3. Managers are supposed to manage expectation - it is his job to avoid ppl
getting too upset when seeing the #. So in December managers would
repeatedly say things like: the mkt ain't good, revenue sucks bla bla to
lower the expectation. Actually, nowadays layoff before the # day is another
ugly way to manage expectation. So normal case, you should have a rough
idea if the manager did his job
4. Manager has all incentives to pay you right - it is not his money anyway,
and a happier report is always better than a frustrated one. He also will
avoid over- paying you as he needs rooms for the years to come, and to avoid
you use that to jump - but this is more of a pre 08 trick, nowadays most
managers have headaches lacking $ to motivate ppl. So you can trust your
manager did what he can, unless you pissed him bad.
5. So complaining about # after u seeing it is silly - it should be a year
round effort, not one day, particularly not that day. Yes, u can call that
as ass-kissing if you like, but relationship does not come off thin air
6. Remember if you feel bad about ur #, most likely your boss feel the same.
Complaint only makes u look not mature. Stop working after bad # is even
worse, as ppl will remember and there is a next year if u stay
If for whatever reasons u think u r really underpaid - and u have tried
enough to build up credential and relationship, just quit. Vote by walking
and a better offer, it is the only way that works
Most importantly, manage your own expectation given this mkt. I have friends
who made 7 figures as first year VP before, now much more senior but calmly
accepting 300k. The world has changed. But again if u r super star, vote by
walking. No complaints, no tears. |
c******y
发帖数: 332 | 20 不能同意的更多。如果我是老板我也不会喜欢自我感觉太良好的员工。
【在 B**********n 的大作中提到】
: Rule #1: Never Never complain bonus till you resign
: Rule #2: Never Never work less due to disappointing bonus till you resign
: It is simply binary, either you vote by walking, or you stay, in that case
: complaint does you no good
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d*j
发帖数: 13780 | 21 受教了
赞一个
big
size
nowadays
final
【在 B**********n 的大作中提到】
: Bonus process is complex. Just a few random points
: 1. It is a whole year relationship building story - if your # comes as a big
: negative surprise for you, you need to think about if there is something
: wrong between you and your manager
: 2. Official process often starts around November - of course shops have
: varying practice. Direct manager sends up proposal to his boss, and so on,
: and so forth, pools it up, of course with top-down guidance on the pool size
: . Sometimes there are even forced ranking, for the pie cutting, and nowadays
: also layoff candidates. If you are the so-called inner circle of your
: direct manager, you should know the ballpark # before YE. The # is not final
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z******a
发帖数: 5381 | 22 跳吧,呆下去没意思而且搞不好老板已经恨了你了
【在 S*******s 的大作中提到】
: 我是不是应该和老板的老板谈谈心的一年的规划之类的，看看自己还有多少提升空间？
: 还在等绿卡，所以能不跳还是不跳了
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l******n
发帖数: 9344 | 23 说个例子吧，有人indirectly complain啦，bonus没有变，但是1个月后加了retention
bonus ...
【在 B**********n 的大作中提到】
: Rule #1: Never Never complain bonus till you resign
: Rule #2: Never Never work less due to disappointing bonus till you resign
: It is simply binary, either you vote by walking, or you stay, in that case
: complaint does you no good
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c**********s
发帖数: 295 | 24 Great post!
But I think in certain sense communicate one's expectation to the manager is
also necessary. Ideally this is done before the bonus day rather than later
, otherwise how could the manager know where each report's line is at. If a
report is a good performer and the manager wants to keep him, he might find
other possible ways to compensate him. But of course many times managers are
not good at their jobs. They either dont know who is truly valuable, or
dont know how to manage a team. In that case as BP mentioned vote with your
feet.
big
size
nowadays
final
【在 B**********n 的大作中提到】
: Bonus process is complex. Just a few random points
: 1. It is a whole year relationship building story - if your # comes as a big
: negative surprise for you, you need to think about if there is something
: wrong between you and your manager
: 2. Official process often starts around November - of course shops have
: varying practice. Direct manager sends up proposal to his boss, and so on,
: and so forth, pools it up, of course with top-down guidance on the pool size
: . Sometimes there are even forced ranking, for the pie cutting, and nowadays
: also layoff candidates. If you are the so-called inner circle of your
: direct manager, you should know the ballpark # before YE. The # is not final
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T*******t
发帖数: 9274 | 25 because (s)he got another offer? for a big company, that's a bad practice
from hr point of view.
retention
【在 l******n 的大作中提到】
: 说个例子吧，有人indirectly complain啦，bonus没有变，但是1个月后加了retention
: bonus ...
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o**o
发帖数: 3964 | 26 what's the highest rating? are there AA and AAA?
【在 S*******s 的大作中提到】
: 我是不是应该和老板的老板谈谈心的一年的规划之类的，看看自己还有多少提升空间？
: 还在等绿卡，所以能不跳还是不跳了
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