m**k
发帖数: 18660 | 1 呵呵。现在推父母很多，都怕小孩输在起跑线上啊。
很多情况就把所谓的小孩一生比喻成长跑，或者马拉松。
结论是开始快点慢点其实无所谓，毕竟长跑/马拉松靠的是耐力。
作为一个runners,加上一个父亲，说说我的想法(以前写过一篇, 现在可能有些新的)
首先，比喻成长跑，没有说是训练，还是比赛。我姑且猜测是马拉松比赛吧。
[目的] 马拉松比赛的目的是啥,大多数人是跑出自己的最好.而不是赢这个比赛,
personal best, 就是在你身体的心理的当时状况,跑出最短的时间.当然也基于
你的伤病情况,也基于你的训练,你的taper carb-loading.
当然也有人跑马拉松不是为了图个PB, 的确是图个fun. 甚至不去求个PB.
小孩成长或许类似, 有的希望获得最好最成功. 有的希望更多fun.这个目的差别也挺大
的.
当然没有人希望 人生 的时间最短..(这样可能给跳级一个负面的意思). hoho.
[准备] 马拉松比赛,其实重点不是比赛本身,而是训练和准备,比赛可能2小时4小时,但是
训练往往要几个月甚至几年.而小孩成长,有这个训练准备的过程么? 怀胎10月？或者父
母\
自己的上进，身体，事业家庭? 但是那也远比不上平时训练和比赛的相关性强啊.毕竟
一个是别人的一个是自己的. 这样说来,其实养小孩其实不是只是比赛,而是训练加比赛
??
[起跑] 对大多数人来说,起跑的姿势速度,不重要,甚至在什么corral都关系不大,毕竟你
有你的chip,你和你自己比,虽然corral不好,你开始需要zigzag. 的确马拉松开始不能就
冲刺。而且开始的几秒钟并不重要。如果小孩的确有潜力,有个好的开始也是重要,
不是说开始需要冲刺,但是你需要一个适合你的pace.不然开始就消耗很多无用体力在
摆脱那些比你慢的人．
[pace] 但是说回来，怎么定pace, 比赛的时候，因为有以前的训练，还有其他比赛的
经验，这样你比赛前就定下个pace了．但是小孩，可就不好说了，毕竟每个小孩都不一样
你怎么知道他到一定年龄应该到什么pace? 当然如果把过程想象成训练，就make点
sense.
就是trial & error慢慢摸清小孩的pace.也让他自己决定.
当然，马拉松比赛可以跑很多次，而人生不能re-try. |
y*e
发帖数: 9799 | 2 虽然人生不能re-try，但小孩可以多养几个 :-) |
g********s
发帖数: 1969 | |
g********s
发帖数: 1969 | 4 但每个娃是不一样的
【在 y*e 的大作中提到】
: 虽然人生不能re-try，但小孩可以多养几个 :-)
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o*******r
发帖数: 4921 | 5 mark这片散文有点虎头蛇尾.
【在 m**k 的大作中提到】
: 呵呵。现在推父母很多，都怕小孩输在起跑线上啊。
: 很多情况就把所谓的小孩一生比喻成长跑，或者马拉松。
: 结论是开始快点慢点其实无所谓，毕竟长跑/马拉松靠的是耐力。
: 作为一个runners,加上一个父亲，说说我的想法(以前写过一篇, 现在可能有些新的)
: 首先，比喻成长跑，没有说是训练，还是比赛。我姑且猜测是马拉松比赛吧。
: [目的] 马拉松比赛的目的是啥,大多数人是跑出自己的最好.而不是赢这个比赛,
: personal best, 就是在你身体的心理的当时状况,跑出最短的时间.当然也基于
: 你的伤病情况,也基于你的训练,你的taper carb-loading.
: 当然也有人跑马拉松不是为了图个PB, 的确是图个fun. 甚至不去求个PB.
: 小孩成长或许类似, 有的希望获得最好最成功. 有的希望更多fun.这个目的差别也挺大
|
m**k
发帖数: 18660 | 6 sharp...
【在 o*******r 的大作中提到】
: mark这片散文有点虎头蛇尾.
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y******n
发帖数: 4527 | 7 孩子暂时还没养过；不过跑步是种fun，有个目标推动着训练还挺有效果。实在不行还
可以放弃。
【在 m**k 的大作中提到】
: 呵呵。现在推父母很多，都怕小孩输在起跑线上啊。
: 很多情况就把所谓的小孩一生比喻成长跑，或者马拉松。
: 结论是开始快点慢点其实无所谓，毕竟长跑/马拉松靠的是耐力。
: 作为一个runners,加上一个父亲，说说我的想法(以前写过一篇, 现在可能有些新的)
: 首先，比喻成长跑，没有说是训练，还是比赛。我姑且猜测是马拉松比赛吧。
: [目的] 马拉松比赛的目的是啥,大多数人是跑出自己的最好.而不是赢这个比赛,
: personal best, 就是在你身体的心理的当时状况,跑出最短的时间.当然也基于
: 你的伤病情况,也基于你的训练,你的taper carb-loading.
: 当然也有人跑马拉松不是为了图个PB, 的确是图个fun. 甚至不去求个PB.
: 小孩成长或许类似, 有的希望获得最好最成功. 有的希望更多fun.这个目的差别也挺大
|
c*******d
发帖数: 198 | 8 是不是多引导孩子跑步，可以提高她的耐力，也对她的人生有帮助？
虽然起步可能慢一些，总会有所收获 |
S*********g
发帖数: 7653 | 9
我觉得耐力 毅力这玩意是天生的。。。
【在 c*******d 的大作中提到】
: 是不是多引导孩子跑步，可以提高她的耐力，也对她的人生有帮助？
: 虽然起步可能慢一些，总会有所收获
|
i*********5
发帖数: 19210 | 10 养孩子 - Confessions of a Tiger Mom: Why Chinese parenting is best
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/family-and-relationships/co |
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b***i
发帖数: 10018 | 11 这篇文章我看过，觉得过于片面了。
【在 i*********5 的大作中提到】
: 养孩子 - Confessions of a Tiger Mom: Why Chinese parenting is best
: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/family-and-relationships/co
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i*********5
发帖数: 19210 | 12 I know. It's a bit extreme. But I guess that's the stereotypical Chinese mom
in North America nowadays. (My sister-in-law is just like that.)
【在 b***i 的大作中提到】
: 这篇文章我看过，觉得过于片面了。
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m**k
发帖数: 18660 | 13 我不会push娃过早跑步的。想象我快30才喜欢跑步。hehe
让他跑，和他要跑。不一样
【在 c*******d 的大作中提到】
: 是不是多引导孩子跑步，可以提高她的耐力，也对她的人生有帮助？
: 虽然起步可能慢一些，总会有所收获
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 14 This is bullshit. You don't fucking demand a better birthday card from your
kid. That is just an amazingly
selfish act. Most Chinese parents want the kid to think that they owe the
parents. My view, which is also the
typical American view, is that my kid doesn't owe me anything, and it is my
responsibility to take care of and
guide my kid before she's 18. After that, she's on her own. I want my
daughter to grow up a happy and loving
person, and to have a good relationship with the family. What kind of career
she would have is her own
business.
chinese-parenting-is-best/article1864813/
【在 i*********5 的大作中提到】
: 养孩子 - Confessions of a Tiger Mom: Why Chinese parenting is best
: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/family-and-relationships/co
|
e******a
发帖数: 4867 | 15 第一次把你的回帖看完了
不过说起来容易做起来比较难啊
特别对在中国大陆接受教育的人来说
your
my
career
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: This is bullshit. You don't fucking demand a better birthday card from your
: kid. That is just an amazingly
: selfish act. Most Chinese parents want the kid to think that they owe the
: parents. My view, which is also the
: typical American view, is that my kid doesn't owe me anything, and it is my
: responsibility to take care of and
: guide my kid before she's 18. After that, she's on her own. I want my
: daughter to grow up a happy and loving
: person, and to have a good relationship with the family. What kind of career
: she would have is her own
|
w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 16 What most Chinese parents don't recognize is the value of personal space and
the value of having choices.
Perhaps they couldn't care. But it would really piss me off if someone
hovers around me 24/7 and watch my
every move. When I was a teenager I pretty much ignored my mom's opinions
and whatever she told me I'd do
just the opposite. I am raising my kid the way I would have liked to be
raised, not how I WAS raised.
【在 e******a 的大作中提到】
: 第一次把你的回帖看完了
: 不过说起来容易做起来比较难啊
: 特别对在中国大陆接受教育的人来说
:
: your
: my
: career
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e******a
发帖数: 4867 | 17 我觉得还是尺度不太好把握的
我觉得我要是有小孩儿的话就不知道该怎么教育
and
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: What most Chinese parents don't recognize is the value of personal space and
: the value of having choices.
: Perhaps they couldn't care. But it would really piss me off if someone
: hovers around me 24/7 and watch my
: every move. When I was a teenager I pretty much ignored my mom's opinions
: and whatever she told me I'd do
: just the opposite. I am raising my kid the way I would have liked to be
: raised, not how I WAS raised.
|
w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 18 I would set an example for my kid. I would never ask my kid to do something
I wouldn't or couldn't do. I may
tell my kid to run a mile if I run 10. I would not ask my kid to run 10
miles if I only run 1.
【在 e******a 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得还是尺度不太好把握的
: 我觉得我要是有小孩儿的话就不知道该怎么教育
:
: and
|
m********c
发帖数: 13337 | 19 就是说你不是清华毕业的就不要求他努力考清华？
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: I would set an example for my kid. I would never ask my kid to do something
: I wouldn't or couldn't do. I may
: tell my kid to run a mile if I run 10. I would not ask my kid to run 10
: miles if I only run 1.
|
w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 20 I wouldn't mind if my daughter goes to Harvard or Princeton. But if she goes to U Mass and enjoys it then it's
fine with me. I would help her by SENDing her to a good school, instead of forcing her to study just so that
she can get in a good school.
What my kid accomplishes in her life is her business. I'd be proud but I wouldn't treat it like my own
investment. For me, to be able to go for a morning jog with my daughter on the weekends would be more
important than her going to Harvard or making million dollar salary. Going to a top university isn't my idea of
a successful life.
【在 m********c 的大作中提到】
: 就是说你不是清华毕业的就不要求他努力考清华？
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i*********5
发帖数: 19210 | 21 I would want my kids to have fun and enjoy whatever they are doing at home,
in school and elsewhere.
I remember 我初中除了第一次英语考试及了格以外，过后两年半就再也没及过格。(My
English teacher sucks.) I pretty much played for two and half years, and
finally studied in the final semester. And my parents were "cool" with that.
I repeated that in senior high as well except this time around I only
played for two years.
换成跑步的术语，我那是negative split。 |
b***i
发帖数: 10018 | 22 就是清华毕业的也不要求他努力考清华啊...
【在 m********c 的大作中提到】
: 就是说你不是清华毕业的就不要求他努力考清华？
|
w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 23 There is a funny phenomenon that Chinese students like to brag about how
much they work and American
students like to brag about how little they work. In reality both are
bullshiting. In the western culture, it is
uncool to work too hard, and yet it is cool to be good at what you do. So
people tend to sound like they don't
work hard but secretly spend more time working than they would admit.
,
My
that.
【在 i*********5 的大作中提到】
: I would want my kids to have fun and enjoy whatever they are doing at home,
: in school and elsewhere.
: I remember 我初中除了第一次英语考试及了格以外，过后两年半就再也没及过格。(My
: English teacher sucks.) I pretty much played for two and half years, and
: finally studied in the final semester. And my parents were "cool" with that.
: I repeated that in senior high as well except this time around I only
: played for two years.
: 换成跑步的术语，我那是negative split。
|
c*******r
发帖数: 13580 | 24 zan negative split!
,
My
that.
【在 i*********5 的大作中提到】
: I would want my kids to have fun and enjoy whatever they are doing at home,
: in school and elsewhere.
: I remember 我初中除了第一次英语考试及了格以外，过后两年半就再也没及过格。(My
: English teacher sucks.) I pretty much played for two and half years, and
: finally studied in the final semester. And my parents were "cool" with that.
: I repeated that in senior high as well except this time around I only
: played for two years.
: 换成跑步的术语，我那是negative split。
|
c*******r
发帖数: 13580 | 25 I guess where you went to school has nothing to do with where your kids
should go to school.
【在 m********c 的大作中提到】
: 就是说你不是清华毕业的就不要求他努力考清华？
|
m**k
发帖数: 18660 | 26 同赞。我感觉我的人生，就和我跑马拉松一样啊。后面基本靠走。。。lol
【在 c*******r 的大作中提到】
: zan negative split!
:
: ,
: My
: that.
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m**k
发帖数: 18660 | 27 haha.欢喜 写的够 过瘾。。
goes to U Mass and enjoys it then it's
forcing her to study just so that
wouldn't treat it like my own
the weekends would be more
to a top university isn't my idea of
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: I wouldn't mind if my daughter goes to Harvard or Princeton. But if she goes to U Mass and enjoys it then it's
: fine with me. I would help her by SENDing her to a good school, instead of forcing her to study just so that
: she can get in a good school.
: What my kid accomplishes in her life is her business. I'd be proud but I wouldn't treat it like my own
: investment. For me, to be able to go for a morning jog with my daughter on the weekends would be more
: important than her going to Harvard or making million dollar salary. Going to a top university isn't my idea of
: a successful life.
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e*e
发帖数: 6808 | 28 虽然我同意你的一些观察，但是我觉得你对中国父母也有点片面
是有些父母觉得养育儿女是一种investment，但是很多并不是。他们也许不能理解
personal choice，他们对子女的期望也许很世俗，很judgemental。但是并不是因为他
们觉得子女是投资，子女的成就是回报。他们也只是希望子女过得“好”，按照他们理
解的好。
这点上，我们不用照听，但是需要appreciate。
至少我的父母和我的inlaws都是这样的。
goes to U Mass and enjoys it then it's
forcing her to study just so that
wouldn't treat it like my own
the weekends would be more
to a top university isn't my idea of
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: I wouldn't mind if my daughter goes to Harvard or Princeton. But if she goes to U Mass and enjoys it then it's
: fine with me. I would help her by SENDing her to a good school, instead of forcing her to study just so that
: she can get in a good school.
: What my kid accomplishes in her life is her business. I'd be proud but I wouldn't treat it like my own
: investment. For me, to be able to go for a morning jog with my daughter on the weekends would be more
: important than her going to Harvard or making million dollar salary. Going to a top university isn't my idea of
: a successful life.
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e*e
发帖数: 6808 | 29 要是容易，哪来那么多争论呢？
【在 e******a 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得还是尺度不太好把握的
: 我觉得我要是有小孩儿的话就不知道该怎么教育
:
: and
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R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 30 俺要养小孩就放养， 有个快乐幸福的童年比啥都强。。。
普通人就挺好， 为啥非要exceptional?
中国人出人头地， 要做人上人的封建意识还是太强。。。 |
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i*********5
发帖数: 19210 | 31 握手！俺就是放养出来的。
不过说比做起来容易。我们小时候没有peer pressure，现在时代不同了。
【在 R*****s 的大作中提到】
: 俺要养小孩就放养， 有个快乐幸福的童年比啥都强。。。
: 普通人就挺好， 为啥非要exceptional?
: 中国人出人头地， 要做人上人的封建意识还是太强。。。
|
e*e
发帖数: 6808 | 32 我做父母之后最大的体会就是
为人父母，就是XDX 瞎担心啊
you never know what is best for your child(ren)
你以为你放养好？放养也有不同的放法，什么是对子女最好的，你还是一样纠结，呵呵
，到时候你就知道了。
放养也好，推也好，我的底线是，我希望我的孩子feel comfortable to talk/discuss
anything with me.
【在 R*****s 的大作中提到】
: 俺要养小孩就放养， 有个快乐幸福的童年比啥都强。。。
: 普通人就挺好， 为啥非要exceptional?
: 中国人出人头地， 要做人上人的封建意识还是太强。。。
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R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 33 俺的放养定义是， 如果有天赋有兴趣， 就支持鼓励发掘，
如果木有也完全ＯＫ， 除了基本的纪律， 想干吗干吗。。 |
e*e
发帖数: 6808 | 34 你这个放养要求很高啊
按你这个，大多推妈也都是在放养而已嘛//run
【在 R*****s 的大作中提到】
: 俺的放养定义是， 如果有天赋有兴趣， 就支持鼓励发掘，
: 如果木有也完全ＯＫ， 除了基本的纪律， 想干吗干吗。。
|
R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 35 完全不同， 俺是让小孩去做他自己喜欢做的事，
推妈是让他去做她们自己想做的事， 哪怕是强迫。。
事实上， 只有真正自己有兴趣才能把事情做的
杰出， 推只能推出个高级民工。。
我觉得train kid to be a nice person重要于一个
superman..
【在 e*e 的大作中提到】
: 你这个放养要求很高啊
: 按你这个，大多推妈也都是在放养而已嘛//run
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S*********g
发帖数: 7653 | 36 我的童年 可以说非常不快乐幸福。。。3岁被逼学英语，小学三年级被逼学初中的数学
，当然这个现在看来是非常正确的，小学三年级数学是一直非常好，但是谈不上很有兴
趣，被逼过一段时间之后，一发不可收拾，可以说找到自己的兴趣了，就自己上路了，
初中开始学微积分，高中学线性代数和大学的很多物理，一直到现在走上这条道路，还
是很感谢我的父母，尤其是父亲当时的强迫。小孩子不知道自己的兴趣在哪里，就是要
逼一下，我觉得。。。 |
e*e
发帖数: 6808 | 37 偶北京状元的朋友觉得感谢父母从小教育
并打算从小就给孩子做奥数题，做不出来不许吃饭//run
【在 S*********g 的大作中提到】
: 我的童年 可以说非常不快乐幸福。。。3岁被逼学英语，小学三年级被逼学初中的数学
: ，当然这个现在看来是非常正确的，小学三年级数学是一直非常好，但是谈不上很有兴
: 趣，被逼过一段时间之后，一发不可收拾，可以说找到自己的兴趣了，就自己上路了，
: 初中开始学微积分，高中学线性代数和大学的很多物理，一直到现在走上这条道路，还
: 是很感谢我的父母，尤其是父亲当时的强迫。小孩子不知道自己的兴趣在哪里，就是要
: 逼一下，我觉得。。。
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i*********5
发帖数: 19210 | 38 sounds like LangLang in math!
【在 S*********g 的大作中提到】
: 我的童年 可以说非常不快乐幸福。。。3岁被逼学英语，小学三年级被逼学初中的数学
: ，当然这个现在看来是非常正确的，小学三年级数学是一直非常好，但是谈不上很有兴
: 趣，被逼过一段时间之后，一发不可收拾，可以说找到自己的兴趣了，就自己上路了，
: 初中开始学微积分，高中学线性代数和大学的很多物理，一直到现在走上这条道路，还
: 是很感谢我的父母，尤其是父亲当时的强迫。小孩子不知道自己的兴趣在哪里，就是要
: 逼一下，我觉得。。。
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m**k
发帖数: 18660 | 39 呵呵，。你看，你这样好的潜力，如果放了，不浪费了。
不知道欢喜如何想。hoho.也可能欢喜都一直自推？
【在 S*********g 的大作中提到】
: 我的童年 可以说非常不快乐幸福。。。3岁被逼学英语，小学三年级被逼学初中的数学
: ，当然这个现在看来是非常正确的，小学三年级数学是一直非常好，但是谈不上很有兴
: 趣，被逼过一段时间之后，一发不可收拾，可以说找到自己的兴趣了，就自己上路了，
: 初中开始学微积分，高中学线性代数和大学的很多物理，一直到现在走上这条道路，还
: 是很感谢我的父母，尤其是父亲当时的强迫。小孩子不知道自己的兴趣在哪里，就是要
: 逼一下，我觉得。。。
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c*******r
发帖数: 13580 | 40 that totally depends on your value of life. for me, being successful in
academia or career is so unimportant compared to things I love, running
being one of them.
【在 m**k 的大作中提到】
: 呵呵，。你看，你这样好的潜力，如果放了，不浪费了。
: 不知道欢喜如何想。hoho.也可能欢喜都一直自推？
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e*e
发帖数: 6808 | 41 睡袋他父母推出一个自推娃
呵呵，不光数学啊，跑步游泳也很上心啊
【在 c*******r 的大作中提到】
: that totally depends on your value of life. for me, being successful in
: academia or career is so unimportant compared to things I love, running
: being one of them.
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M**u
发帖数: 10158 | 42 太强了。。。
我小时候经常全班垫底。。。干坏事老师告诉家长啥的
【在 S*********g 的大作中提到】
: 我的童年 可以说非常不快乐幸福。。。3岁被逼学英语，小学三年级被逼学初中的数学
: ，当然这个现在看来是非常正确的，小学三年级数学是一直非常好，但是谈不上很有兴
: 趣，被逼过一段时间之后，一发不可收拾，可以说找到自己的兴趣了，就自己上路了，
: 初中开始学微积分，高中学线性代数和大学的很多物理，一直到现在走上这条道路，还
: 是很感谢我的父母，尤其是父亲当时的强迫。小孩子不知道自己的兴趣在哪里，就是要
: 逼一下，我觉得。。。
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 43 My parents never forced me to study science. I studied based on my own interest. I first went to school when I
was six and half years old. My parents never helped me study, but they sent me to the right schools. From
middle school on, I have received the best education I could possibly get in my situation. In middle and high
school my class went hiking/swimming/skating every Friday (as opposed to studying for worthless exams like
millions of other high school kids in China).
For a scientific career, I would say interest > talent > hard work. If the kid is turned off from being pushed too
hard, then he or she will quit sooner or later.
【在 m**k 的大作中提到】
: 呵呵，。你看，你这样好的潜力，如果放了，不浪费了。
: 不知道欢喜如何想。hoho.也可能欢喜都一直自推？
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m**k
发帖数: 18660 | 44 zan. very nice parents!
interest. I first went to school when I
sent me to the right schools. From
in my situation. In middle and high
studying for worthless exams like
kid is turned off from being pushed too
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: My parents never forced me to study science. I studied based on my own interest. I first went to school when I
: was six and half years old. My parents never helped me study, but they sent me to the right schools. From
: middle school on, I have received the best education I could possibly get in my situation. In middle and high
: school my class went hiking/swimming/skating every Friday (as opposed to studying for worthless exams like
: millions of other high school kids in China).
: For a scientific career, I would say interest > talent > hard work. If the kid is turned off from being pushed too
: hard, then he or she will quit sooner or later.
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b***i
发帖数: 10018 | 45 回应文章:)
Why American Mothers are Superior
http://techcrunch.
com/2011/01/14/american-mothers-superior/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medi
um=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Techcrunch+%28TechCrunch%29
【在 i*********5 的大作中提到】
: 养孩子 - Confessions of a Tiger Mom: Why Chinese parenting is best
: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/family-and-relationships/co
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o*******r
发帖数: 4921 | 46 人之生譬如一树花，同发一枝，俱开一蒂，随风而堕，自有拂帘幌坠入茵席之上，自有
关篱墙落于粪溷之侧。坠茵席者，殿下是也；落粪溷者，下官是也。贵贱虽复殊途，因
果竟在何处？ |
R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 47 看不懂 ：D
美式教育/中式教育其实各有利弊， 中和一下比较好。。。
不过入乡随俗， 别让自己的小孩在大多数人眼里是个怪物就成。。。
中国人活得太累， 大概从小就开始排名次还没排够，觉得小孩考
第一了， 上ivy league了， 脸上就有光了， 不然就loser了。。。
【在 o*******r 的大作中提到】
: 人之生譬如一树花，同发一枝，俱开一蒂，随风而堕，自有拂帘幌坠入茵席之上，自有
: 关篱墙落于粪溷之侧。坠茵席者，殿下是也；落粪溷者，下官是也。贵贱虽复殊途，因
: 果竟在何处？
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d****i
发帖数: 4354 | 48 西方普通父母的教育：
Stay out of trouble son
If you're true to yourself
You'll be working like a dog
Raise a family
And life will be alright
【在 R*****s 的大作中提到】
: 看不懂 ：D
: 美式教育/中式教育其实各有利弊， 中和一下比较好。。。
: 不过入乡随俗， 别让自己的小孩在大多数人眼里是个怪物就成。。。
: 中国人活得太累， 大概从小就开始排名次还没排够，觉得小孩考
: 第一了， 上ivy league了， 脸上就有光了， 不然就loser了。。。
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i*********5
发帖数: 19210 | 49 你该不会是我初中同学吧？那个体校生，若不是你的话，垫底的就是我了。呵呵呵！
记得高中时上体育课玩滑板，被教务处主任发现，滑板没收请家长。我老爸去了，领上
滑板，对我说以后就别在学校里滑得
了。that's it. ;-)
【在 M**u 的大作中提到】
: 太强了。。。
: 我小时候经常全班垫底。。。干坏事老师告诉家长啥的
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i*********5
发帖数: 19210 | 50 I'll do it Canadian way. ;-)
(Which would be more like an American mother than Chinese mother.)
【在 b***i 的大作中提到】
: 回应文章:)
: Why American Mothers are Superior
: http://techcrunch.
: com/2011/01/14/american-mothers-superior/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medi
: um=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Techcrunch+%28TechCrunch%29
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 51 Nothing wrong with wanting to be the best. This is fucking America. If you
ain't first, you are last.
But if you want to be No.1, work hard yourself, instead of barking orders to
your child. Many Chinese parents
treat the children like their property, and that's what's wrong with Chinese
parenting.
【在 R*****s 的大作中提到】
: 看不懂 ：D
: 美式教育/中式教育其实各有利弊， 中和一下比较好。。。
: 不过入乡随俗， 别让自己的小孩在大多数人眼里是个怪物就成。。。
: 中国人活得太累， 大概从小就开始排名次还没排够，觉得小孩考
: 第一了， 上ivy league了， 脸上就有光了， 不然就loser了。。。
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S*********g
发帖数: 7653 | 52
you
orders to
Chinese
If you
狂赞！
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: Nothing wrong with wanting to be the best. This is fucking America. If you
: ain't first, you are last.
: But if you want to be No.1, work hard yourself, instead of barking orders to
: your child. Many Chinese parents
: treat the children like their property, and that's what's wrong with Chinese
: parenting.
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R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 53 there are so many between first and last, and they all
deserve respects as long as they made their best.
no matter US or China.
to
Chinese
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: Nothing wrong with wanting to be the best. This is fucking America. If you
: ain't first, you are last.
: But if you want to be No.1, work hard yourself, instead of barking orders to
: your child. Many Chinese parents
: treat the children like their property, and that's what's wrong with Chinese
: parenting.
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R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 54 呵呵， 说实话， 就算你以后得数学诺贝尔奖， 马拉松破世界纪录，
俺绝对不希望我的小孩子和你一样的生活。。。
【在 S*********g 的大作中提到】
:
: you
: orders to
: Chinese
: If you
: 狂赞！
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R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 55 美国社会很多元化， 好大学不是只有ivy league, 乐器也不只有
钢琴和小提琴。。。
小孩子沦为家长炫耀攀比的资本， 很可悲。。
【在 d****i 的大作中提到】
: 西方普通父母的教育：
: Stay out of trouble son
: If you're true to yourself
: You'll be working like a dog
: Raise a family
: And life will be alright
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m**k
发帖数: 18660 | 56 no noble math.hoho
【在 R*****s 的大作中提到】
: 呵呵， 说实话， 就算你以后得数学诺贝尔奖， 马拉松破世界纪录，
: 俺绝对不希望我的小孩子和你一样的生活。。。
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 57 America doesn't like No.2. Nobody talks about the runner up. It's all about the winner. Americans love to win,
and hate to lose. It's what makes this country great (except the hippies who want to think that everyone is a
winner).
【在 R*****s 的大作中提到】
: there are so many between first and last, and they all
: deserve respects as long as they made their best.
: no matter US or China.
:
: to
: Chinese
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 58 nobel, not noble, hoho.
【在 m**k 的大作中提到】
: no noble math.hoho
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R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 59 Of course everyone wants to be winner,but there is only
one winner, I will be pround of my kids, even if he is
the last as long as he makes his best..
Actually Since you are so critical to yourself, it's hard
to belive that you may lower your standard on your kids..
If your kids lose a match, what would you do?
And I believe what makes American great is his appreciation
and toleration of different cultures and value.
about the winner. Americans love to win,
who want to think that everyone is a
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: America doesn't like No.2. Nobody talks about the runner up. It's all about the winner. Americans love to win,
: and hate to lose. It's what makes this country great (except the hippies who want to think that everyone is a
: winner).
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p***r
发帖数: 4859 | 60 终于看到可以大笑三声的回帖了。
【在 m**k 的大作中提到】
: no noble math.hoho
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S*********g
发帖数: 7653 | 61
我价值观比较类似这个：
当然只是我个人的价值观。。。
【在 S*********g 的大作中提到】
:
: you
: orders to
: Chinese
: If you
: 狂赞！
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 62 Well, I would not impose any standard on my kid simply because I don't
consider my kid to be my property
nor my investment. To raise my kid and to give her the opportunity of a good
education is my responsibility.
My kid doesn't need to do anything to prove to me that she is special,
because she is already special to me.
【在 R*****s 的大作中提到】
: Of course everyone wants to be winner,but there is only
: one winner, I will be pround of my kids, even if he is
: the last as long as he makes his best..
: Actually Since you are so critical to yourself, it's hard
: to belive that you may lower your standard on your kids..
: If your kids lose a match, what would you do?
: And I believe what makes American great is his appreciation
: and toleration of different cultures and value.
:
: about the winner. Americans love to win,
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R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 63 嗯， 每个人价值观不同很正常， 自己做自己喜欢做的就好了。。
自由平等包容， 的确是俺最欣赏美国的地方。。
【在 S*********g 的大作中提到】
:
: 我价值观比较类似这个：
: 当然只是我个人的价值观。。。
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S*********g
发帖数: 7653 | 64
我觉得whx可能会对孩子非常nice的，至少，孩子取得了进步，会鼓励，比如开始我来
跑版，实在是跑
的慢，然后发了很多菜鸟贴，他都是说nice, excellent.这点我觉得比我爸在教育上要
牛逼多了，我
爸这个人其实不会push我做他自己的做不到的事情，甚至不会push我做任何他想做的事
情，他就说你能
谋生就好，但是另外一方面，我绝对不可能得到他的encourage,他就属于那种把 表扬
一个人的标准定
到他要尽全力才能achieve的一个目标附近，然后只要你在那条线以下，他就会说:"
well, you are
not good enough"
【在 R*****s 的大作中提到】
: 嗯， 每个人价值观不同很正常， 自己做自己喜欢做的就好了。。
: 自由平等包容， 的确是俺最欣赏美国的地方。。
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e*e
发帖数: 6808 | 65 同笑同笑！
【在 p***r 的大作中提到】
: 终于看到可以大笑三声的回帖了。
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e*e
发帖数: 6808 | 66 来抬个杠？
what if your child(ren) doesn't want to try his/her best?
what is his/her best if he/she doesn't try hard enough?
你放养爹怎讲？
【在 R*****s 的大作中提到】
: Of course everyone wants to be winner,but there is only
: one winner, I will be pround of my kids, even if he is
: the last as long as he makes his best..
: Actually Since you are so critical to yourself, it's hard
: to belive that you may lower your standard on your kids..
: If your kids lose a match, what would you do?
: And I believe what makes American great is his appreciation
: and toleration of different cultures and value.
:
: about the winner. Americans love to win,
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 67 If you are a true mathematician you would not care about this medal that
prize. Prizes are awarded by people.
If you care so much about a prize, it means that you care more about what
people think of you than what you
do - mathematics in this case. Did you think that Grothendieck cared about
his fields medal? He didn't even
bother to publish his work. If you are really good, you don't need anyone
else to tell you that you are good.
【在 S*********g 的大作中提到】
:
: 我觉得whx可能会对孩子非常nice的，至少，孩子取得了进步，会鼓励，比如开始我来
: 跑版，实在是跑
: 的慢，然后发了很多菜鸟贴，他都是说nice, excellent.这点我觉得比我爸在教育上要
: 牛逼多了，我
: 爸这个人其实不会push我做他自己的做不到的事情，甚至不会push我做任何他想做的事
: 情，他就说你能
: 谋生就好，但是另外一方面，我绝对不可能得到他的encourage,他就属于那种把 表扬
: 一个人的标准定
: 到他要尽全力才能achieve的一个目标附近，然后只要你在那条线以下，他就会说:"
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e*e
发帖数: 6808 | 68 haha
好像最近的牛人都不去领奖的
我印象中是数学领域的吧
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: If you are a true mathematician you would not care about this medal that
: prize. Prizes are awarded by people.
: If you care so much about a prize, it means that you care more about what
: people think of you than what you
: do - mathematics in this case. Did you think that Grothendieck cared about
: his fields medal? He didn't even
: bother to publish his work. If you are really good, you don't need anyone
: else to tell you that you are good.
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 69 When Shing-Tung Yau won his fields medal he had to pay for his own plane
ticket in order to receive it. No
wonder they don't want to go.:)
【在 e*e 的大作中提到】
: haha
: 好像最近的牛人都不去领奖的
: 我印象中是数学领域的吧
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S*********g
发帖数: 7653 | 70
that
what
about
anyone
所以我的用词是'类似'于这个价值观,这个图表明的是我 对世界的一个认识，或者说是
我认为的
‘真实’。
做数学本身的动机是纯粹的interest,我老板就时常强调 Mathematics is Art not
competition....
就我本身而言，我完全不care我是不是能拿到某个medal,我care的只是我做出我自己觉
得好玩的东
西，并且可能别人也会觉得好玩。呵呵
不过Grothendieck也并非完全不care这些东西，他曾经的一帮学生在他70岁的时候送他
一本论文
集，Grothendieck非常不高兴因为他觉得里面的那些工作基本上全部是他的想法，却被
归结到是受
他影响的一些人身上，呵呵。 当然，这并不能说明他care medal
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: If you are a true mathematician you would not care about this medal that
: prize. Prizes are awarded by people.
: If you care so much about a prize, it means that you care more about what
: people think of you than what you
: do - mathematics in this case. Did you think that Grothendieck cared about
: his fields medal? He didn't even
: bother to publish his work. If you are really good, you don't need anyone
: else to tell you that you are good.
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R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 71 两把事， 很多得诺贝尔奖的人得之前又不是专门冲着这个去的，
大多是做出了杰出贡献之后， 被别人提名的。。。
其实真真正正做学术的， 有很大成就的， 很多一开始都是非常
默默无闻的， 浮躁的人是做不出东西的。。。
跑步其实也差不多， 跑版最快的几个都是甘于寂寞， 不怎么上
来说话的人。。。
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: If you are a true mathematician you would not care about this medal that
: prize. Prizes are awarded by people.
: If you care so much about a prize, it means that you care more about what
: people think of you than what you
: do - mathematics in this case. Did you think that Grothendieck cared about
: his fields medal? He didn't even
: bother to publish his work. If you are really good, you don't need anyone
: else to tell you that you are good.
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R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 72 那就说明他/她根本就不喜欢做这个事情， 我也就不会逼他做了。。。
他喜欢的事情， 我相信他自然会用心， 也自然会做得很好，
家长的作用是善于发现小孩的特长， 并加以引导和支持就好了。。。
就算是读书这种必须做的， 我相信只要不要太叛逆， 都会做得
不错， 但我绝不希望他成个书呆子， 必须要A， A-都不行。。。
社交能力/领导才能/抗打击能力/心理成熟度这些软技能其实都
非常重要。。。
【在 e*e 的大作中提到】
: 来抬个杠？
: what if your child(ren) doesn't want to try his/her best?
: what is his/her best if he/she doesn't try hard enough?
: 你放养爹怎讲？
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m********c
发帖数: 13337 | 73 赞一个。
【在 R*****s 的大作中提到】
: 那就说明他/她根本就不喜欢做这个事情， 我也就不会逼他做了。。。
: 他喜欢的事情， 我相信他自然会用心， 也自然会做得很好，
: 家长的作用是善于发现小孩的特长， 并加以引导和支持就好了。。。
: 就算是读书这种必须做的， 我相信只要不要太叛逆， 都会做得
: 不错， 但我绝不希望他成个书呆子， 必须要A， A-都不行。。。
: 社交能力/领导才能/抗打击能力/心理成熟度这些软技能其实都
: 非常重要。。。
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s*********t
发帖数: 89 | 74 why is that bullshit? Everyone has his own opinion, maybe you don't agree
but you should have some respect. I personally don't completely agree with
Amy Chua, but not all her opinions are wrong. Besides,the so-called truth is
always conditional truth, when situation changes, the truth also changes.
For a poor family in China, if parents don't push,it perhaps won't even be
easy for their children to live a human life not even close to your daughter
's good live in US. If you don't appreciate some good wills from responsible
parents, pls don't disgrace it either.
your
my
career
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: This is bullshit. You don't fucking demand a better birthday card from your
: kid. That is just an amazingly
: selfish act. Most Chinese parents want the kid to think that they owe the
: parents. My view, which is also the
: typical American view, is that my kid doesn't owe me anything, and it is my
: responsibility to take care of and
: guide my kid before she's 18. After that, she's on her own. I want my
: daughter to grow up a happy and loving
: person, and to have a good relationship with the family. What kind of career
: she would have is her own
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 75 Speaking of hardship, I just had dinner at an Indian kid's home. The kid is a sophomore in a college in
Mumbai, works 4 hours a day to make money, lives with his mom and a 10 yr old brother. His mother
doesn't speak English. Their home is the size of a small studio in the US. The hygiene condition is poor,
and I had to secretly take a cipro pill after the dinner. The kid is brilliant, comparable to the very best
undergraduates at Harvard. About the only thing he posses is a shelf full of books. Physics and math books,
quantum mechanics, QFT, Jackson, Landau Lifshitz. He practically raises himself and attends graduate
courses at the very best research institute in India. He was never pushed by his mother. It is all self driven.
Hard as life is right now, he's got a great future. Now that is what I respect.
While India is significantly poorer (and filthier) than China, I have found the poor people in India to be living
pleasant lives. The kid I just mentioned has always been cheerful and never complained to me about the
hardship of life. Their living condition is shockingly poor and congested even by Chinese standard. It was in
striking contrast with my trip in China just weeks ago, where the regular people are grumpy and full of
complaints. Some guy in Shanghai train station who carried my luggage just told me straight that he was
proud of me and that his life is fucked and people like him had no future. It strikes me that many Chinese
people are missing the priorities. Is it more important to make money and show off, or is it more important
to be simply happy?
is
daughter
responsible
【在 s*********t 的大作中提到】
: why is that bullshit? Everyone has his own opinion, maybe you don't agree
: but you should have some respect. I personally don't completely agree with
: Amy Chua, but not all her opinions are wrong. Besides,the so-called truth is
: always conditional truth, when situation changes, the truth also changes.
: For a poor family in China, if parents don't push,it perhaps won't even be
: easy for their children to live a human life not even close to your daughter
: 's good live in US. If you don't appreciate some good wills from responsible
: parents, pls don't disgrace it either.
:
: your
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m**k
发帖数: 18660 | 76 very interesting story! hope the indian guy would just come to us and get a
programmer job and become a regular indian pushing parent ;)
is a sophomore in a college in
old brother. His mother
The hygiene condition is poor,
brilliant, comparable to the very best
of books. Physics and math books,
himself and attends graduate
by his mother. It is all self driven.
respect.
found the poor people in India to be living
never complained to me about the
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: Speaking of hardship, I just had dinner at an Indian kid's home. The kid is a sophomore in a college in
: Mumbai, works 4 hours a day to make money, lives with his mom and a 10 yr old brother. His mother
: doesn't speak English. Their home is the size of a small studio in the US. The hygiene condition is poor,
: and I had to secretly take a cipro pill after the dinner. The kid is brilliant, comparable to the very best
: undergraduates at Harvard. About the only thing he posses is a shelf full of books. Physics and math books,
: quantum mechanics, QFT, Jackson, Landau Lifshitz. He practically raises himself and attends graduate
: courses at the very best research institute in India. He was never pushed by his mother. It is all self driven.
: Hard as life is right now, he's got a great future. Now that is what I respect.
: While India is significantly poorer (and filthier) than China, I have found the poor people in India to be living
: pleasant lives. The kid I just mentioned has always been cheerful and never complained to me about the
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o*******r
发帖数: 4921 | 77 unfortunately, he will. because he will not understand why his kids get much
better life but can't work as hard as him. He will repeat his stories over
and over again with his grandkids because his kids don't want to listen to
him any more.
That's just the life.
a
【在 m**k 的大作中提到】
: very interesting story! hope the indian guy would just come to us and get a
: programmer job and become a regular indian pushing parent ;)
:
: is a sophomore in a college in
: old brother. His mother
: The hygiene condition is poor,
: brilliant, comparable to the very best
: of books. Physics and math books,
: himself and attends graduate
: by his mother. It is all self driven.
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o*******r
发帖数: 4921 | 78 在放纵孩子的父母眼里,负责任的父母是pushy,他们自己是放养;
在负责任的父母眼里,放养的父母是放纵孩子,他们自己是负责任.
这种争论本来就是毫无意义的;
富不过三代,生活往往是个轮回.
你这里举poor family的例子,在何不食肉糜的人眼里是不会懂的.
is
daughter
responsible
【在 s*********t 的大作中提到】
: why is that bullshit? Everyone has his own opinion, maybe you don't agree
: but you should have some respect. I personally don't completely agree with
: Amy Chua, but not all her opinions are wrong. Besides,the so-called truth is
: always conditional truth, when situation changes, the truth also changes.
: For a poor family in China, if parents don't push,it perhaps won't even be
: easy for their children to live a human life not even close to your daughter
: 's good live in US. If you don't appreciate some good wills from responsible
: parents, pls don't disgrace it either.
:
: your
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 79 I was expecting more out of him, possibly a star physicist of the next
generation (no kidding).
In fact, I know many brilliant Indian physicists who returned to India while
their careers were skyrocketing in the US. They simply enjoy the life in
India and love the country.
a
【在 m**k 的大作中提到】
: very interesting story! hope the indian guy would just come to us and get a
: programmer job and become a regular indian pushing parent ;)
:
: is a sophomore in a college in
: old brother. His mother
: The hygiene condition is poor,
: brilliant, comparable to the very best
: of books. Physics and math books,
: himself and attends graduate
: by his mother. It is all self driven.
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w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 80 This may surprise (and even shock) you, but many Indians don't consider life in the US to be better than in India. I just met an Indian guy who had US citizenship, did his undergrad in Johns Hopkins but didn't like it much and decided to go back to IIT to continue his study. Now, is that something you can understand? I say do not judge everyone by the way a typical Chinese parent thinks. Not everybody is like that.
There is a lot China could learn from India (but wouldn't). For example, being poor isn't an excuse for poor manners, dishonesty, lack of trust, and being unhappy.
much
over
【在 o*******r 的大作中提到】
: unfortunately, he will. because he will not understand why his kids get much
: better life but can't work as hard as him. He will repeat his stories over
: and over again with his grandkids because his kids don't want to listen to
: him any more.
: That's just the life.
:
: a
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m********c
发帖数: 13337 | 81 挺又道理的。看清别人容易，认识自己难。
【在 o*******r 的大作中提到】
: 在放纵孩子的父母眼里,负责任的父母是pushy,他们自己是放养;
: 在负责任的父母眼里,放养的父母是放纵孩子,他们自己是负责任.
: 这种争论本来就是毫无意义的;
: 富不过三代,生活往往是个轮回.
: 你这里举poor family的例子,在何不食肉糜的人眼里是不会懂的.
:
: is
: daughter
: responsible
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s*********t
发帖数: 89 | 82 Are you telling this story to give some point? If you are, I might have
missed your point. From previous replies,I kind of know that you are a
brilliant self-driven person and the Indian guy is just you in the mirror.
On the other hand, maybe I am wrong, I guess you had a much better economic
situation than he does. The Indian undergraduate doesn't need pushing
parents because the environment is doing the job and you don't even know for
sure if the mother has pushed him or not. But the pressure from life alone
is enough for him to be a self-driven person. What I want to say is that
either the environments push the children later or the parents push the
children earlier. Of course, there is always an issue of the quantity of
push. Different person has different necessary quantity of push. A little
push might work well for you but might work badly for another person. Some
persons are born to have good self-control and others may not have any good
self-control. These things are complicated, not as simple as you think, “ok
, it didn’t work for me since it made me unhappy and angry, then it is bad.
” There are some ppl like you complaining too much push and there are also
some ppl complaining later there was not enough push when they were young.
Anyway, I personally think push doesn’t completely determine whether the
children are happy or not, which seems to concern very much to your
philosophy. If you want your children to be happy, I guess the best way will
be to teach them to be always optimistic and to always see good sides of
things. Without optimism being taught, both pushing and not-pushing parents
are probably going to fail in making their children happy sooner or later
because life is not always there to please ppl. It is always easier to say
than do, maybe optimism is just something more likely to be a born quality.
About the Chinese guy, don’t blame him on pursuing money. You should be
sorry for him, because he has grown up in the environment which didn’t
foster his noble goals from your point of view. Again, each person’s
priority is different and money sometimes is just the way to realize his
priority. Even among non-Chinese, there are also ppl who are pursuing money.
Why Chinese ppl are caring so much about money, I guess it is because they
were extremely poor before. After the economic blooming, hope the revival of
Chinese Civilization is at the corner we can see.
is a sophomore in a college in
old brother. His mother
The hygiene condition is poor,
brilliant, comparable to the very best
of books. Physics and math books,
himself and attends graduate
by his mother. It is all self driven.
respect.
found the poor people in India to be living
never complained to me about the
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: Speaking of hardship, I just had dinner at an Indian kid's home. The kid is a sophomore in a college in
: Mumbai, works 4 hours a day to make money, lives with his mom and a 10 yr old brother. His mother
: doesn't speak English. Their home is the size of a small studio in the US. The hygiene condition is poor,
: and I had to secretly take a cipro pill after the dinner. The kid is brilliant, comparable to the very best
: undergraduates at Harvard. About the only thing he posses is a shelf full of books. Physics and math books,
: quantum mechanics, QFT, Jackson, Landau Lifshitz. He practically raises himself and attends graduate
: courses at the very best research institute in India. He was never pushed by his mother. It is all self driven.
: Hard as life is right now, he's got a great future. Now that is what I respect.
: While India is significantly poorer (and filthier) than China, I have found the poor people in India to be living
: pleasant lives. The kid I just mentioned has always been cheerful and never complained to me about the
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R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 83 放养不是放纵， 负责任不是虐待。。放养的孩子不一定就比像机器一样
长大的孩子差。。。
不过教育孩子的确也是个很私人的事情， 没必要非要说自己的是最好的。。。
【在 o*******r 的大作中提到】
: 在放纵孩子的父母眼里,负责任的父母是pushy,他们自己是放养;
: 在负责任的父母眼里,放养的父母是放纵孩子,他们自己是负责任.
: 这种争论本来就是毫无意义的;
: 富不过三代,生活往往是个轮回.
: 你这里举poor family的例子,在何不食肉糜的人眼里是不会懂的.
:
: is
: daughter
: responsible
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i*********5
发帖数: 19210 | 84 Very well said!
life in the US to be better than in
India. I just met an Indian guy who had US citizenship, did his undergrad in
Johns Hopkins but didn't like it
much and decided to go back to IIT to continue his study. Now, is that
something you can understand? I say do
not judge everyone by the way a typical Chinese parent thinks. Not everybody
is like that.
being poor isn't an excuse for poor
manners, dishonesty, lack of trust, and being unhappy.
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: This may surprise (and even shock) you, but many Indians don't consider life in the US to be better than in India. I just met an Indian guy who had US citizenship, did his undergrad in Johns Hopkins but didn't like it much and decided to go back to IIT to continue his study. Now, is that something you can understand? I say do not judge everyone by the way a typical Chinese parent thinks. Not everybody is like that.
: There is a lot China could learn from India (but wouldn't). For example, being poor isn't an excuse for poor manners, dishonesty, lack of trust, and being unhappy.
:
: much
: over
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b*********a
发帖数: 1145 | 85 Agree, there are a lot which a typical Chinese parent don't understand. Not
only Indian, some American is also beyond their understanding.
When I was at school, most of my classmates are American, lots of them left
a lucrative career and change to our major(which is far from lucrative at
all),and some of our professors used to have a very lucrative job too. But
these people are happy, because they are not chasing money, i guess most
Chinese parents can't understand. But those are all great persons, and I
admire them a lot.Some of them look weird in other people's eyes. If a
Chinese parent got a kid like that they would go crazy lol. But they are far
better than most superficial and snobbish people in this world.
life in the US to be better than in India. I just met an Indian guy who had
US citizenship, did his undergrad in Johns Hopkins but didn't like it much
and decided to go back to IIT to continue his study. Now, is that something
you can understand? I say do not judge everyone by the way a typical Chinese
parent thinks. Not everybody is like that.
being poor isn't an excuse for poor manners, dishonesty, lack of trust, and
being unhappy.
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: This may surprise (and even shock) you, but many Indians don't consider life in the US to be better than in India. I just met an Indian guy who had US citizenship, did his undergrad in Johns Hopkins but didn't like it much and decided to go back to IIT to continue his study. Now, is that something you can understand? I say do not judge everyone by the way a typical Chinese parent thinks. Not everybody is like that.
: There is a lot China could learn from India (but wouldn't). For example, being poor isn't an excuse for poor manners, dishonesty, lack of trust, and being unhappy.
:
: much
: over
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e*e
发帖数: 6808 | 86 Agree啊，没法知道什么是最好的
不像跑步，可以多跑几次看看。养孩子没法重来一遍。
我是觉得做父母的，自己要放松，没做到"最好"也没什么可怕的，谁让他/她就这投胎
技术呢:p
【在 R*****s 的大作中提到】
: 放养不是放纵， 负责任不是虐待。。放养的孩子不一定就比像机器一样
: 长大的孩子差。。。
: 不过教育孩子的确也是个很私人的事情， 没必要非要说自己的是最好的。。。
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b***i
发帖数: 10018 | 87 LOL, 赞心态
【在 e*e 的大作中提到】
: Agree啊，没法知道什么是最好的
: 不像跑步，可以多跑几次看看。养孩子没法重来一遍。
: 我是觉得做父母的，自己要放松，没做到"最好"也没什么可怕的，谁让他/她就这投胎
: 技术呢:p
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