t******g
发帖数: 17520 | 1 关键是仅仅是安慰也就罢了， 就怕不安全
美国dietary supplement市场可是2 3 百亿 的大market
从中国进口多多， 拿谷维素来说吧，看看阿里巴巴就知道了
17 页 600-700种不同类型的， 油， 粉还有颗粒
钙片估计更多
中国FDA法律严格， 但是监管太弱了， 拿谷维素来说吧
是从米糠来的，而稻米产地之一的浙江省（也是dietary supplement 出口大省）
污染很严重
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电子废弃物的不当处理会给当地环境带来重金属和持久性有机物的污染。本文以浙江台
州电子废物拆解区内的水稻田作研究对象,调查了水稻田的重金属污染状况,选取污染最
严重的区域进行了生态毒性、土壤酶学和微生物学调查,并对污染土壤进行了初步的微
生物修复尝试,本研究所获得的主要结论如下:1.调查了9个有电子废物拆解历史的自然
村,其中的9个有电子废物拆解历史的自然村中有7个自然村的水稻田土壤受到了不同程
度的污染,污染土壤内梅罗综合指数介于0.72和15.53之间,其中4个村庄的土壤处于警戒
级,2个处于中度污染,1个为严重污染。水稻田的污染以G村最严重,其Cd、Cu和Zn浓度分
别为6.37 mg·kg~(-1)、256.36 mg·kg~(-1)和209.85 mg·kg~(-1)。污染主要表现为
Cd、Cu和Zn的复合污染,且Cd和Cu含量之间呈极显著相关。形态分析表明与Cu、Zn和Pb
相比,元素Cd的稳定性最低,在水稻田中主要以非残渣态存在。。。。。。。。。。。。。
--浙大 2009年一篇博士论文
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浙江上虞矿山炼厂附近稻田半数现重金属超标
2012年09月01日 00:51 中国经营报微博
李艳洁
编者按/近些年来，专家学者们对于中国土壤污染状况的样本研究结果通过国际、
国内的学术刊物陆续零散地被发表出来，其中很多研究是国家的重点课题项目。但是公
众却对此知之甚少。2006年到2010年，环保部与国土资源部共同开展了全国土壤污染情
况调查和污染防治工作，但调查结果至今迟迟没有公布。
本报记者通过实地调查采访了解到，无论是国家层面还是地方政府，对于农田重金
属污染的重视和治理绝大部分仍然停留在文件和意识之中，甚至全国耕地的重金属污染
调查仍没有科学全面地展开。相应的治理机制建设也只是在酝酿阶段。
而一些重金属超标的大米却已经实实在在地从这些土壤中生长出来，流向了城乡居
民的餐桌。
--sina
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...北京律师董正伟向环保部申请公开全国土壤污染状况调查方法和数据信息，据法制
日报报道，近日，环保部以“国家秘密”为由拒绝公开。遁词登场，引发无数唏嘘之余
，亦加剧了民众想象。或正因为数据被归入国家秘密，土地污染话题所带来的生存危机
感，从未像这两天如此明显。.....
.... 数据信息不及时公开，势必加剧舆论的灰色想象，@人民日报质疑颇具代表性：“
是涉及秘密不便公开，还是担心引起不满不敢公开？”事实上，从有限的数据来看，也
印证了当前的焦虑，中国作为全球土壤污染最严重的国家之一，环保部公布的数据显示
，早在2006年，据不完全调查，中国受污染的耕地就约有1.5亿亩，占18亿亩耕地的8.3
%。土地污染直接影响粮食生产，国土资源部曾公开表示，中国每年有1200万吨粮食遭
到重金属污染，直接经济损失超过200亿元....
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今年4月份刚出的公告，结果应该是更早以前的 , 只有5页纸， 像是要越少披露
越好的感觉
http://www.mep.gov.cn/gkml/hbb/qt/201404/W020140417558995804588
我也不多贴图了， 网上很多， 中国作为最大的E-waste“进口”国
在南部东部等地造成污染， 而这些地方正是稻米基地。。
很多农作物， 动物产品是营养剂的重要来源， 提炼过程中为了高yield 加入
身体不好的化学物质， 比如三鹿奶粉事件。。。
有没有做生化的同学对这种药品做下研究， 看看到底是不是有问题 | t******g
发帖数: 17520 | 2 Most Vitamins Are From China. It’s a Bigger Problem Than You Realize
--By Michelle Yu, Epoch Times | February 6, 2014
If you are taking vitamins, there is a good chance that they were imported
from China.
An aging population and growing focus on health in the United States has
fueled the growth of a $28 billion vitamin and nutritional supplement market
, and it is expected to continue to grow at about 3 percent a year.
Over half of American adults are popping vitamins and supplements. They may
not be aware they are eating products made in China, or made using raw
materials from China.
China has captured over 90 percent of the Vitamin C market in the United
States, according to the Seattle Times. Think about how many labels
advertise added Vitamin C. Vitamin C goes into many food and drink products
—almost all processed food for humans as well as pets contains Vitamin C.
The consumer has no way of knowing the added vitamin C comes from China,
because there is no rule requiring labeling the country of origin for
ingredients.
This may raise quite a few eyebrows as Chinese food safety scandals make
headlines every day.
Here are five facts any consumer of vitamins should know.
1. Only 2 percent of all imported vitamins and other supplements are
inspected. Why? Vitamins and supplements are classified as “food” by law
and therefore not subject to the tough regulatory scrutiny of prescription
drugs.
2. China’s top vitamin and supplement production areas are among the most
polluted in the country (and thus in the world).
Vitamins and nutritional supplements usually use agricultural products as
key raw materials. The top vitamin exporting province, Zhejiang, has an
alarming level of soil pollution from heavy metal. As matter of fact, one-
sixth of China’s farmlands are heavily polluted.
For example, rice planted in several key agricultural provinces was reported
to contain excessive Cadmium, a metal commonly found in batteries, coloring
, and the industrial waste from making plastic. It may cause serious kidney
disease.
Irrigation water is a nightmare: Half of the country’s major water bodies
are polluted, as are 86 percent of city water bodies. Pollution is largely
caused by the country’s numerous factories, which rarely have equipment for
treating pollution. Seventy to 80 percent of the country’s industrial
waste is directly emitted into rivers.
3. Even those labeled as “organic” are not safe, since USDA organic
standards place no limit on levels of heavy metal contamination for
certified organic foods.
4. Approximately 6,300 Americans nationwide complained about adverse
reactions to dietary supplements between 2008 and 2012, according to FDA
statistics. But the actual number may be more than eight times higher, some
experts say, because most people don’t believe health products can make
them sick. While not all such problems would be caused by pollution in China
, that pollution may have played a role.
5. Worst of all, China-made vitamins are everywhere, and even those who do
not consume vitamins and supplements can hardly escape. Many vitamins end up
as ingredients in items like soft drinks, food, animal feed, and even
cosmetics. | u******a
发帖数: 7843 | 3 美国FDA也不管么?
【在 t******g 的大作中提到】
: 关键是仅仅是安慰也就罢了， 就怕不安全
: 美国dietary supplement市场可是2 3 百亿 的大market
: 从中国进口多多， 拿谷维素来说吧，看看阿里巴巴就知道了
: 17 页 600-700种不同类型的， 油， 粉还有颗粒
: 钙片估计更多
: 中国FDA法律严格， 但是监管太弱了， 拿谷维素来说吧
: 是从米糠来的，而稻米产地之一的浙江省（也是dietary supplement 出口大省）
: 污染很严重
: ========================================================================
: 电子废弃物的不当处理会给当地环境带来重金属和持久性有机物的污染。本文以浙江台
| w********6
发帖数: 12977 | 4 呵呵，这些保健品原料，大部分是我的一个朋友进口到美国的 | t******g
发帖数: 17520 | 5 94年以后是算food
新条款， 看上去是more regulation， 其实大大放送了管制
所以才造成了现在280亿的market
http://www.fda.gov/Food/DietarySupplements/QADietarySupplements
【在 u******a 的大作中提到】
: 美国FDA也不管么?
| t******g
发帖数: 17520 | 6 透露一点inside information吧！ 哈哈
我一个白同事原来做过一个运动版面的管理员， 有人到版上推销
钙片， 私下谈到全都是大陆来的， 所以很便宜
【在 w********6 的大作中提到】
: 呵呵，这些保健品原料，大部分是我的一个朋友进口到美国的
| t******g
发帖数: 17520 | 7 我大概看了一下FDA网站， 是出事才关， 不出事不关
【在 u******a 的大作中提到】
: 美国FDA也不管么?
| w********6
发帖数: 12977 | 8 免得被人肉，就不说太具体了。 这个朋友以前是国内外贸公司的，后来（具体怎么来
美国的我也没问）辞职来美国，先打工，后来就自己做，保健品包括健身的辅助品在美
国就是几家公司在做，原料大部分从中国进口，因为原料生产的污染很厉害，虽然很多
是农产品，渔牧产品加工的。
现在做大了，雇了不少美国白人做销售，现在我们买的保健品里面很多品种里面的原料
都是他进口的。
我问他，难道你不怕做中间商被人甩了？ 他说他们公司除了掌握货源，销售渠道，作
为中介商，也提供了服务，比如质量检验和保障，等等。
【在 t******g 的大作中提到】
: 透露一点inside information吧！ 哈哈
: 我一个白同事原来做过一个运动版面的管理员， 有人到版上推销
: 钙片， 私下谈到全都是大陆来的， 所以很便宜
| u******a
发帖数: 7843 | 9 说得我都不敢吃补剂了. 本来就没什么正作用, 只要有一点副作用就亏了.
【在 w********6 的大作中提到】
: 免得被人肉，就不说太具体了。 这个朋友以前是国内外贸公司的，后来（具体怎么来
: 美国的我也没问）辞职来美国，先打工，后来就自己做，保健品包括健身的辅助品在美
: 国就是几家公司在做，原料大部分从中国进口，因为原料生产的污染很厉害，虽然很多
: 是农产品，渔牧产品加工的。
: 现在做大了，雇了不少美国白人做销售，现在我们买的保健品里面很多品种里面的原料
: 都是他进口的。
: 我问他，难道你不怕做中间商被人甩了？ 他说他们公司除了掌握货源，销售渠道，作
: 为中介商，也提供了服务，比如质量检验和保障，等等。
| t******g
发帖数: 17520 | 10 谢了狼叔， 真inside 的， 这里人少， 不会被人肉的， 放心
“原料生产的污染很厉害”
是从原料到成品的加工过程对环境污染严重。。。如果是在原料收集地做的
场子， 原料是不是也要被污染了。。。
【在 w********6 的大作中提到】
: 免得被人肉，就不说太具体了。 这个朋友以前是国内外贸公司的，后来（具体怎么来
: 美国的我也没问）辞职来美国，先打工，后来就自己做，保健品包括健身的辅助品在美
: 国就是几家公司在做，原料大部分从中国进口，因为原料生产的污染很厉害，虽然很多
: 是农产品，渔牧产品加工的。
: 现在做大了，雇了不少美国白人做销售，现在我们买的保健品里面很多品种里面的原料
: 都是他进口的。
: 我问他，难道你不怕做中间商被人甩了？ 他说他们公司除了掌握货源，销售渠道，作
: 为中介商，也提供了服务，比如质量检验和保障，等等。
| | | w********6
发帖数: 12977 | 11 看啥东西了。上次日本海啸，就有一家日本公司停产，他们也是生产一种原料的近似垄
断的大户。
结果海啸以后，大家都拼命找剩下的几个小厂，好像都在中国。
污染不一定是大家想象的那种，高浓度的有机肥料排入到湖水，河水，也是污染，湖面
上一片片的绿屏，看着好看，就是污染的结果。 | t******g
发帖数: 17520 | 12 For example, rice planted in several key agricultural provinces was reported
to contain excessive Cadmium, a metal commonly found in batteries, coloring
, and the industrial waste from making plastic. It may cause serious kidney
disease.
Irrigation water is a nightmare: Half of the country’s major water bodies
are polluted, as are 86 percent of city water bodies. Pollution is largely
caused by the country’s numerous factories, which rarely have equipment for
treating pollution. Seventy to 80 percent of the country’s industrial
waste is directly emitted into rivers.
我刚刚买了一瓶谷维素。。。。
这就说米田受镉污染严重。。。。
1930-1960年代，日本富山縣神通川流域部分鎘污染，发生痛痛病，事緣煉鋸S排放的含
鎘廢水污染了周圍的耕地和水源。
廣州中山大學生物科技學院聯同香港浸會大學生物系在2006年3至4月期間，抽查化驗中
港兩地市面出售的楊桃，51%鎘含量屬嚴重超標。
-wiki
bad news 不能多看， 多看， 不能活了
【在 u******a 的大作中提到】
: 说得我都不敢吃补剂了. 本来就没什么正作用, 只要有一点副作用就亏了.
| R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 13 啥是谷维素？善存片是中国造的？
reported
coloring
kidney
for
【在 t******g 的大作中提到】
: For example, rice planted in several key agricultural provinces was reported
: to contain excessive Cadmium, a metal commonly found in batteries, coloring
: , and the industrial waste from making plastic. It may cause serious kidney
: disease.
: Irrigation water is a nightmare: Half of the country’s major water bodies
: are polluted, as are 86 percent of city water bodies. Pollution is largely
: caused by the country’s numerous factories, which rarely have equipment for
: treating pollution. Seventy to 80 percent of the country’s industrial
: waste is directly emitted into rivers.
: 我刚刚买了一瓶谷维素。。。。
| R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 14 照你这么说，中国人马上都要背毒死光了..
【在 t******g 的大作中提到】
: 关键是仅仅是安慰也就罢了， 就怕不安全
: 美国dietary supplement市场可是2 3 百亿 的大market
: 从中国进口多多， 拿谷维素来说吧，看看阿里巴巴就知道了
: 17 页 600-700种不同类型的， 油， 粉还有颗粒
: 钙片估计更多
: 中国FDA法律严格， 但是监管太弱了， 拿谷维素来说吧
: 是从米糠来的，而稻米产地之一的浙江省（也是dietary supplement 出口大省）
: 污染很严重
: ========================================================================
: 电子废弃物的不当处理会给当地环境带来重金属和持久性有机物的污染。本文以浙江台
| u******a
发帖数: 7843 | 15 剂量小不至死...
【在 R*****s 的大作中提到】
: 照你这么说，中国人马上都要背毒死光了..
| t******g
发帖数: 17520 | 16 gamma oryzanol， 米糠提炼的
查了一下善存是纯 synthetic，意思是纯lab 合成的
synthetic ingredients is essentially you paying corporations to take their
toxic waste off their hands for them. They are made with things such as coal
tar, waste and fecal matter, petroleum by-products, stones, metal, animal
by-products, etc. Vitamins worth buying are made from whole foods, by
companies that make vitamins, not pharmaceuticals. You should be able to
look them up, and call and ask what sources their ingredients come from,
should you be so inclined.
Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/036459_Centrum_vitamins_Pfizer.html#ixzz3AJak2Dgv
不知道这个消息的可靠性， 希望变叔你们学生化的来证实一下
【在 R*****s 的大作中提到】
: 啥是谷维素？善存片是中国造的？
:
: reported
: coloring
: kidney
: for
| t******g
发帖数: 17520 | 17 这东西就不是我能解答的了
我只是在网上找的东西
【在 R*****s 的大作中提到】
: 照你这么说，中国人马上都要背毒死光了..
| t******g
发帖数: 17520 | 18 @@ 我往国内带过不下1打善存，上次有朋友用我的卡到costco 买了10瓶
现在看到这个文章
One of the most popular supplements on the market is the multi-vitamin
Centrum. What many people don’t realize is that this multi-vitamin is
probably doing more harm than good. Is Centrum a vitamin supplement of
synthetic chemical cocktail? (Tweet it!)
A Few Centrum Facts:
Centrum is a product produced by the company Pfizer, one of the largest
pharmaceutical companies in the world.
The dosages of most of the nutrients in Centrum are negligible and not
even close to therapeutic levels.
The forms that the nutrients are provided in are the cheapest and the
least absorbable forms.
Supplements that come in tablet form are often hard to digest and
contain binders and fillers (more on this below).
Water-soluble nutrients (vitamin C and the B-vitamins) are either used
or excreted within about 4 hours. Thus, a one-a-day multi is completely
useless and a sure sign that it is of poor quality.
The Ingredients In Centrum:
Calcium Carbonate This is the least absorbable forms of calcium on the
market. A very small percentage is actually absorbed.
Ferrous Fumarate This form of iron is incredibly constipating.
Pregelatinized Corn Starch This is used as a binder to hold all of the
ingredients together. It most likely a genetically modified corn which
presents a number of problems for sensitive people.(1)
DL-Alpha Tocopherol This is vitamin E and they are using two forms. The
“D” form which is natural and the “L” Form which is synthetic. The “L”
form is used to “water-down” the more expensive more bioactive “D”
form.
BHT Butylated hydroxyanisole has been shown to be toxic to the liver,
thyroid, kidney, lungs, and affecting blood coagulation.(2) BHT can act as a
tumour promoter.(3)
FD&C Yellow No. 6 Aluminum Lake Why is there food colouring in a health
supplement?
Gelatin Vegetarians watch out!
Hydrogenated Palm Oil Hydrogenating any oil turns the oil rancid and
makes it into a strong free radical. Free radicals promote cancer and heart
disease.
Nickelous Sulfate and Tin I have never come across any nutrition book
discussing a nickel or tin deficiency. Have you? We most likely don’t need
to supplement it.
Sodium Benzoate A preservative that may cause organ toxicity.(4)
Talc Has been shown to cause cancer. (5,6,7)
Sodium Aluminosilicate Used as a food additive for its anti caking
effect.
网页关了不知道那里来的， 要出处 自己狗
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ConsumerLab.com, a supplement industry watchdog site, recently tested 21
different brands of multivitamins and found that 11 failed quality standards
, including meeting their own label claims. For example, their test showed
that one product had only about half the calcium its label boasted, and
another had almost 300 percent more. One product was found to be tainted
with lead. Three didn’t break apart properly, violating the U.S.
Pharmacopeia’s 30-minute limit on how quickly a pill should dissolve (to
make sure you get the full dose).
Read more: http://www.rd.com/health/wellness/are-vitamins-really-that-good-for-you/2/#ixzz3AJiHnYR0 | d*******s
发帖数: 234 | 19 Hydrogenated Palm Oil
只看懂这个有害了，氢化棕榈油，反式脂肪酸，无法代谢，致癌。与垃圾食品是同义词
。难以置信善存当中也有。
其他的缺点无非是浪费钱。
不懂：原料污染有何危害？提取工艺会把镉这种重金属混到产品中吗？还是说VC的化学
式当中某个原子被镉取代了（感觉这个不太可能，取代之后根本就不是VC了）？ |
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