l***u
发帖数: 27 | 1 I called the Office of Superintendent of the Poway Unified School
District yesterday. Tina McDowell, the Executive Assistant to the
Superintendent, told me that San Diego's redistricting has nothing
to do with the school districts. Park Village will stay in Poway
Unified School District after the redistricting. It makes a lot of
sense to me after I looked the maps of the current 8 districts in
San Diego.
Rancho Bernado and Scripps Ranch have been in the same district
(District 5) with Mira Mesa for many years. Neither the property
values nor the schools have been negatively affected in these two
communities. Here is the link to the map of the current District 5.
http://www.sandiego.gov/citycouncil/cd5/communities/index.shtml
我住在PV，请住在PV的其他朋友们放心好了。虽然选区每十年变一次，
学区不会随之改变。房价也不会因为选区的变化而产生负面影响。 |
B********e
发帖数: 1199 | 2 学区这个是对的 --
只是其它很多侧面的影响很难讲。
而且PV 的Asian凭什么就无缘无故，不知不觉就被人代表了？
【在 l***u 的大作中提到】
: I called the Office of Superintendent of the Poway Unified School
: District yesterday. Tina McDowell, the Executive Assistant to the
: Superintendent, told me that San Diego's redistricting has nothing
: to do with the school districts. Park Village will stay in Poway
: Unified School District after the redistricting. It makes a lot of
: sense to me after I looked the maps of the current 8 districts in
: San Diego.
: Rancho Bernado and Scripps Ranch have been in the same district
: (District 5) with Mira Mesa for many years. Neither the property
: values nor the schools have been negatively affected in these two
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l***u
发帖数: 27 | 3 Rancho Bernado，Scripps Ranch 和 Mira Mesa 分在同一选区好多年了，
其房价未见受到任何负面影响。
【在 B********e 的大作中提到】
: 学区这个是对的 --
: 只是其它很多侧面的影响很难讲。
: 而且PV 的Asian凭什么就无缘无故，不知不觉就被人代表了？
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s*********5
发帖数: 5637 | 4 选区每十年划一次倒是真的。大家可以继续努力。。。不过这次我们也都学了许多，原来邮政区，学区，和选举区都可以是不一样的呀。在美国生活够还挺复杂的。
说来惭愧，我也是这次去DC玩之前要去预约参观景点才搞清楚Representative到底是谁的。不过后来去了他的办公室后还觉得自己挺重要的，到了Representative的办公室还有他的实习生专门带我们几个人参观国会山庄。。（其实只要有提前预订，大概都能去参加这种private tour。）在中国我就是一介草民罢了，肯定只有在大太阳底下排队看警卫眼色的份儿。
这个民主政治是我们第一代移民需要慢慢学习的吧。 |
p****m
发帖数: 125 | 5 Oh 谢谢， 是我搞错了。
5)
to
【在 l***u 的大作中提到】
: I called the Office of Superintendent of the Poway Unified School
: District yesterday. Tina McDowell, the Executive Assistant to the
: Superintendent, told me that San Diego's redistricting has nothing
: to do with the school districts. Park Village will stay in Poway
: Unified School District after the redistricting. It makes a lot of
: sense to me after I looked the maps of the current 8 districts in
: San Diego.
: Rancho Bernado and Scripps Ranch have been in the same district
: (District 5) with Mira Mesa for many years. Neither the property
: values nor the schools have been negatively affected in these two
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p*****y
发帖数: 1579 | 6 没有变化过怎么能讲会不会有影响呢？也许应该更高的。
法师说的，从没有人和pv居民沟通过是最让人不爽的。这点上apac和PQ 都没有show
good respect to pv residence.不过从生活的方方面面考屡，pv居民觉得对PQ归属
感更强吧。
【在 l***u 的大作中提到】
: Rancho Bernado，Scripps Ranch 和 Mira Mesa 分在同一选区好多年了，
: 其房价未见受到任何负面影响。
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w******e
发帖数: 44 | 7 This is not true. The new districting plan leaves PV as the ONLY community in the Poway District but outside the city counsel district 5. What does it mean? As a minority, you will be the first pick wheneven the school district needs to be changed.
For example, if in the future, Westwiew and Mesa Verde get too crowded, which community will the be kicked out first to make room for others? PV!!!! Because it is not even in the same city counsel district as the rest.
With regard to the school district, I would worry less if instead the whole PQ moves to city counsel district 6.
But still, even without considering the school district and the house price (which I believe will not change in the near future, but it is hard to say in a long term), I would still say NO to this plan. With all respect to our asian residents in Mira Mesa, the PV residents do not share common interest with them. We will become a minority in the D6 and our interest will simply be ignored.
PV residents, can you trust a representative from Mira Mesa or from Convoy street?
在 laohu (老虎) 的大作中提到: 】 |
n********h
发帖数: 13135 | 8 你这个说得还是比较不可能的. 学区内部边界变来变去,很正常. 学区之间的边界变化
是很少见的. 如果某个学校人太多, 首先是学区内部重新划分, 然后就是建新学校. 如
果west view 的人太多, 可能会分到power way 其他的高中.
community in the Poway District but outside the city counsel district 5.
What does it mean? As a minority, you will be the first pick wheneven the
school district needs to be changed.
which community will the be kicked out first to make room for others? PV!!!!
Because it is not even in the same city counsel district as the rest.
whole PQ moves to city counsel district 6.
price (which I believe will not change in the near future, but it is hard to
say in a long term), I would still say NO to this plan. With all respect
to our asian residents in Mira Mesa, the PV residents do not share common
interest with them. We will become a minority in the D6 and our interest
will simply be ignored.
street?
【在 w******e 的大作中提到】
: This is not true. The new districting plan leaves PV as the ONLY community in the Poway District but outside the city counsel district 5. What does it mean? As a minority, you will be the first pick wheneven the school district needs to be changed.
: For example, if in the future, Westwiew and Mesa Verde get too crowded, which community will the be kicked out first to make room for others? PV!!!! Because it is not even in the same city counsel district as the rest.
: With regard to the school district, I would worry less if instead the whole PQ moves to city counsel district 6.
: But still, even without considering the school district and the house price (which I believe will not change in the near future, but it is hard to say in a long term), I would still say NO to this plan. With all respect to our asian residents in Mira Mesa, the PV residents do not share common interest with them. We will become a minority in the D6 and our interest will simply be ignored.
: PV residents, can you trust a representative from Mira Mesa or from Convoy street?
: 在 laohu (老虎) 的大作中提到: 】
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w******e
发帖数: 44 | 9 Exactly. If Westview is too crowded, PV will be the first pick to be
adjusted to another school within the Poway district, such as Black Mountain High, which is not good.
Anyway, the main concern I have is still that PV's interest will be ignored
in D6. The proposed bridge connecting Mira Mesa to PV is very detrimental
to our interest.
!!
to
【在 n********h 的大作中提到】
: 你这个说得还是比较不可能的. 学区内部边界变来变去,很正常. 学区之间的边界变化
: 是很少见的. 如果某个学校人太多, 首先是学区内部重新划分, 然后就是建新学校. 如
: 果west view 的人太多, 可能会分到power way 其他的高中.
:
: community in the Poway District but outside the city counsel district 5.
: What does it mean? As a minority, you will be the first pick wheneven the
: school district needs to be changed.
: which community will the be kicked out first to make room for others? PV!!!!
: Because it is not even in the same city counsel district as the rest.
: whole PQ moves to city counsel district 6.
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n********h
发帖数: 13135 | 10 I think the biggest issue is the bridge. If there will be a bridge, it is
not good to PV even school district still remains in Poway.
Mountain High, which is not good.
ignored
【在 w******e 的大作中提到】
: Exactly. If Westview is too crowded, PV will be the first pick to be
: adjusted to another school within the Poway district, such as Black Mountain High, which is not good.
: Anyway, the main concern I have is still that PV's interest will be ignored
: in D6. The proposed bridge connecting Mira Mesa to PV is very detrimental
: to our interest.
:
: !!
: to
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a*m
发帖数: 6253 | 11 我不是很明白你们为什么不喜欢那个桥。。。
俺不住park village，但是我觉得这里最大的不好就是交通。。。一条这么长的dead
end，一旦地震，车流都出不去。。。
如果这个通向miramesa的桥和那条通向56的路通了，这里房价应该会更好。。。
多修个桥不会让你们不喜欢的MiraMesa的人们没事就去你们那里的。。。没这个桥要去
的还是会去的。。。
希望del sur去56的路什么时候能提上日程。。。 |
d******t
发帖数: 1242 | 12 其实很多住Mira Mesa北边的居民也反对那道桥的，因为会影响他们的view。
好奇问问如果提议是把pv并到cv去，会有这么多人反对吗？ |
n********h
发帖数: 13135 | 13 你显然不知道房子为啥贵. 越是贵的房子, 交通越不能便利.
【在 a*m 的大作中提到】
: 我不是很明白你们为什么不喜欢那个桥。。。
: 俺不住park village，但是我觉得这里最大的不好就是交通。。。一条这么长的dead
: end，一旦地震，车流都出不去。。。
: 如果这个通向miramesa的桥和那条通向56的路通了，这里房价应该会更好。。。
: 多修个桥不会让你们不喜欢的MiraMesa的人们没事就去你们那里的。。。没这个桥要去
: 的还是会去的。。。
: 希望del sur去56的路什么时候能提上日程。。。
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n********h
发帖数: 13135 | 14 CV的人会反对吧. 听说, park village那条路要和CV接通, 而且还是从CV比较贵的房子
前面过. 你看看这计划啥时候能成.
【在 d******t 的大作中提到】
: 其实很多住Mira Mesa北边的居民也反对那道桥的，因为会影响他们的view。
: 好奇问问如果提议是把pv并到cv去，会有这么多人反对吗？
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d******t
发帖数: 1242 | 15 这话有点道理，就像许多豪宅要买棵菜得在羊肠小道上开上大半的小时才能到有点人烟
的地方。不过那些估计有专人买菜。。。
【在 n********h 的大作中提到】
: 你显然不知道房子为啥贵. 越是贵的房子, 交通越不能便利.
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d******t
发帖数: 1242 | 16 我是说如果pv要并到cv去，学区，zipcode什么都不变，pv的居民是不是也会反对的这
么激烈？
要是 park village要和carmel mountain接通，估计park village的居民也不会同意吧？
【在 n********h 的大作中提到】
: CV的人会反对吧. 听说, park village那条路要和CV接通, 而且还是从CV比较贵的房子
: 前面过. 你看看这计划啥时候能成.
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T********g
发帖数: 505 | 17 那就没有Common Interests的问题了， 估计会欢呼雀跃， 舞狮三天， 就像Mexico恨
不得并到美国一样。PV不是已经讲过吗， 要把PV并到MM， CV也应该并到MM。 这次MM
没招谁惹谁， 躺着也中枪， 还被人说住在MM的中国人不争气。
【在 d******t 的大作中提到】
: 我是说如果pv要并到cv去，学区，zipcode什么都不变，pv的居民是不是也会反对的这
: 么激烈？
: 要是 park village要和carmel mountain接通，估计park village的居民也不会同意吧？
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t*Q
发帖数: 7840 | 18 听哪儿说的？来点靠谱的。
【在 n********h 的大作中提到】
: CV的人会反对吧. 听说, park village那条路要和CV接通, 而且还是从CV比较贵的房子
: 前面过. 你看看这计划啥时候能成.
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t*Q
发帖数: 7840 | 19 PV人争取自己正当的权益是天经地义的。局外人不能做到够理解和支持，是强迫不来的
。持有幸灾乐祸的心态，这是有些人的天性，也是强迫不来的。但任期释放出来，不仅
暴露了自己，对亚裔人争取自己利益的事态也不会有正面的帮助。
亚裔人，如果不能做到正面至少道义上的支持，至少有另一种选择是沉默。
MM
【在 T********g 的大作中提到】
: 那就没有Common Interests的问题了， 估计会欢呼雀跃， 舞狮三天， 就像Mexico恨
: 不得并到美国一样。PV不是已经讲过吗， 要把PV并到MM， CV也应该并到MM。 这次MM
: 没招谁惹谁， 躺着也中枪， 还被人说住在MM的中国人不争气。
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l***u
发帖数: 27 | 20 我住在PV，我也不希望PV和PQ分离。好在选区的变化对当地居民的生活没有实质性的影响。
【在 p*****y 的大作中提到】
: 没有变化过怎么能讲会不会有影响呢？也许应该更高的。
: 法师说的，从没有人和pv居民沟通过是最让人不爽的。这点上apac和PQ 都没有show
: good respect to pv residence.不过从生活的方方面面考屡，pv居民觉得对PQ归属
: 感更强吧。
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l***u
发帖数: 27 | 21 As a resident of PV, I don't like the new redistricting plan either.
I wish that the politicians would leave us alone.
A lartge portion of a school district's budget come from property taxes
collected from the residents in its district. Tenants who live in
apartments don't pay property taxes. Because no apartments are allowed
to be built in PV and there are no condos in PV, PV is the most expensive
place to buy a house in Poway Unified School District (PUSD). Each year,
PV contributes huge amount of property tax money to PUSD. No PUSD school
administrator in his or her right mind would give PV away to other
school district for any reason.
So don't worry. Enjoy the good life that PV provides.
community in the Poway District but outside the city counsel district 5.
What does it mean? As a minority, you will be the first pick wheneven the
school district needs to be changed.
which community will the be kicked out first to make room for others? PV!!!!
Because it is not even in the same city counsel district as the rest.
whole PQ moves to city counsel district 6.
price (which I believe will not change in the near future, but it is hard to
say in a long term), I would still say NO to this plan. With all respect
to our asian residents in Mira Mesa, the PV residents do not share common
interest with them. We will become a minority in the D6 and our interest
will simply be ignored.
street?
【在 w******e 的大作中提到】
: This is not true. The new districting plan leaves PV as the ONLY community in the Poway District but outside the city counsel district 5. What does it mean? As a minority, you will be the first pick wheneven the school district needs to be changed.
: For example, if in the future, Westwiew and Mesa Verde get too crowded, which community will the be kicked out first to make room for others? PV!!!! Because it is not even in the same city counsel district as the rest.
: With regard to the school district, I would worry less if instead the whole PQ moves to city counsel district 6.
: But still, even without considering the school district and the house price (which I believe will not change in the near future, but it is hard to say in a long term), I would still say NO to this plan. With all respect to our asian residents in Mira Mesa, the PV residents do not share common interest with them. We will become a minority in the D6 and our interest will simply be ignored.
: PV residents, can you trust a representative from Mira Mesa or from Convoy street?
: 在 laohu (老虎) 的大作中提到: 】
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l***u
发帖数: 27 | 22 I heard the plan to build the bridge to connect Mira Mesa with PV
when I bought my house in PV 10 years ago. Nothing has happened
since then. Because of the negative environmental issues the new
bridge would bring to the Los Penasquitos Canyon Reserve, the
proposed bridge may never be allowed to be built. Cheers!
【在 n********h 的大作中提到】
: I think the biggest issue is the bridge. If there will be a bridge, it is
: not good to PV even school district still remains in Poway.
:
: Mountain High, which is not good.
: ignored
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r****a
发帖数: 447 | 23 假设PV 划到D6,SR划到D5.PV的property tax交到D6,但是仍然在 PUSD上学，而SR的
Property Tax 交到D5, 但是还是只能到SDSD上学。是不是对SR也不公平？
【在 l***u 的大作中提到】
: As a resident of PV, I don't like the new redistricting plan either.
: I wish that the politicians would leave us alone.
: A lartge portion of a school district's budget come from property taxes
: collected from the residents in its district. Tenants who live in
: apartments don't pay property taxes. Because no apartments are allowed
: to be built in PV and there are no condos in PV, PV is the most expensive
: place to buy a house in Poway Unified School District (PUSD). Each year,
: PV contributes huge amount of property tax money to PUSD. No PUSD school
: administrator in his or her right mind would give PV away to other
: school district for any reason.
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l***u
发帖数: 27 | 24 因为选区和学区之间没有任何实质性的联系，你提出的假设是不成立的。
【在 r****a 的大作中提到】
: 假设PV 划到D6,SR划到D5.PV的property tax交到D6,但是仍然在 PUSD上学，而SR的
: Property Tax 交到D5, 但是还是只能到SDSD上学。是不是对SR也不公平？
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a****g
发帖数: 3027 | 25 Is PV now still more expensive than 4S ranch?
As a resident of PV, I don't like the new redistricting plan either.
I wish that the politicians would leave us alone.
A lartge portion of a school district's budget come from property taxes
collected from the residents in its district. Tenants who live in
apartments don't pay property taxes. Because no apartments are allowed
to be built in PV and there are no condos in PV, PV is the most
expensive place to buy a house in Poway Unified School District (PUSD). Each
year,PV contributes huge amount of property tax money to PUSD. No PUSD
school administrator in his or her right mind would give PV away to other
school district for any reason.
So don't worry. Enjoy the good life that PV provide
【在 l***u 的大作中提到】
: As a resident of PV, I don't like the new redistricting plan either.
: I wish that the politicians would leave us alone.
: A lartge portion of a school district's budget come from property taxes
: collected from the residents in its district. Tenants who live in
: apartments don't pay property taxes. Because no apartments are allowed
: to be built in PV and there are no condos in PV, PV is the most expensive
: place to buy a house in Poway Unified School District (PUSD). Each year,
: PV contributes huge amount of property tax money to PUSD. No PUSD school
: administrator in his or her right mind would give PV away to other
: school district for any reason.
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a*m
发帖数: 6253 | 26 你太牛了，第一次听说这个逻辑。。。
PV的房子很贵么？ CV的交通不便利？
这么密的居民区，一条deadend到底，我是不愿意住在里面的。。。
地震，山火。。。hoho，好处是可以和房子共存亡？
【在 n********h 的大作中提到】
: 你显然不知道房子为啥贵. 越是贵的房子, 交通越不能便利.
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r****a
发帖数: 447 | 27 Property Tax到底是按哪里交的，是按council district，还是school distrcit, 还
是另有说法？
【在 l***u 的大作中提到】
: 因为选区和学区之间没有任何实质性的联系，你提出的假设是不成立的。
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a*m
发帖数: 6253 | 28 你说的如果是rancho santa Fe是很有道理，人家和邻居都走不到，非得开车，而且羊
肠小道还是自己的地。 但是PV也忒不适用了。。。
PV的房子离豪宅估计还有好几里地吧。。。
【在 d******t 的大作中提到】
: 这话有点道理，就像许多豪宅要买棵菜得在羊肠小道上开上大半的小时才能到有点人烟
: 的地方。不过那些估计有专人买菜。。。
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d******t
发帖数: 1242 | 29 所以我只说有点道理啊。。。Poway 有些豪宅也有类似的情况的。开始的时候我想如果
上班迟到遇到塞车不急死啊。后来想估计也就老板们会住这种地方吧。。。
【在 a*m 的大作中提到】
: 你说的如果是rancho santa Fe是很有道理，人家和邻居都走不到，非得开车，而且羊
: 肠小道还是自己的地。 但是PV也忒不适用了。。。
: PV的房子离豪宅估计还有好几里地吧。。。
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l***u
发帖数: 27 | 30 Yes. I think that PV is the most expensive community in PUSD.
Each
【在 a****g 的大作中提到】
: Is PV now still more expensive than 4S ranch?
:
: As a resident of PV, I don't like the new redistricting plan either.
: I wish that the politicians would leave us alone.
: A lartge portion of a school district's budget come from property taxes
: collected from the residents in its district. Tenants who live in
: apartments don't pay property taxes. Because no apartments are allowed
: to be built in PV and there are no condos in PV, PV is the most
: expensive place to buy a house in Poway Unified School District (PUSD). Each
: year,PV contributes huge amount of property tax money to PUSD. No PUSD
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a****g
发帖数: 3027 | 31 How about CA-56 Del Sur north-exit new houses? Do they belong to CV school
district?
【在 l***u 的大作中提到】
: Yes. I think that PV is the most expensive community in PUSD.
:
: Each
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n********h
发帖数: 13135 | 32 No
【在 a****g 的大作中提到】
: How about CA-56 Del Sur north-exit new houses? Do they belong to CV school
: district?
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n********h
发帖数: 13135 | 33 CV最贵的房子，我保证这儿的人从来都没有开车经过。 这个交通，最好只是这在这儿
的人的交通。外面的人，最好不进社区。比如，现在你如果不住在PV，你只是从PV的社
区门口经过一下而已。
CV的交通便利是相对，你住在CV，买的东西稍微多点儿，肯定是要上高速去别的地方。
至于山火，马里布的豪宅给烧了不知道多少次了，房子还不时天价？山火，地震多少年
一次。你受得了天天一堆去target买便宜货的人从你门口开过去？
【在 a*m 的大作中提到】
: 你太牛了，第一次听说这个逻辑。。。
: PV的房子很贵么？ CV的交通不便利？
: 这么密的居民区，一条deadend到底，我是不愿意住在里面的。。。
: 地震，山火。。。hoho，好处是可以和房子共存亡？
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O***n
发帖数: 13127 | 34 "你受得了天天一堆去target买便宜货的人从你门口开过去？"
LOL,
【在 n********h 的大作中提到】
: CV最贵的房子，我保证这儿的人从来都没有开车经过。 这个交通，最好只是这在这儿
: 的人的交通。外面的人，最好不进社区。比如，现在你如果不住在PV，你只是从PV的社
: 区门口经过一下而已。
: CV的交通便利是相对，你住在CV，买的东西稍微多点儿，肯定是要上高速去别的地方。
: 至于山火，马里布的豪宅给烧了不知道多少次了，房子还不时天价？山火，地震多少年
: 一次。你受得了天天一堆去target买便宜货的人从你门口开过去？
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e*********u
发帖数: 3591 | 35 Share the same concern with u. 这样的地形不利于屯兵。
【在 a*m 的大作中提到】
: 你太牛了，第一次听说这个逻辑。。。
: PV的房子很贵么？ CV的交通不便利？
: 这么密的居民区，一条deadend到底，我是不愿意住在里面的。。。
: 地震，山火。。。hoho，好处是可以和房子共存亡？
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t*Q
发帖数: 7840 | 36 因此，这边的贼寇少，治安也比较好。
【在 e*********u 的大作中提到】
: Share the same concern with u. 这样的地形不利于屯兵。
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l***u
发帖数: 27 | 37 San Diego County collects property taxes. Accourding to the county
website, 43.2% of the property taxe revenue are allocated to the
school districts in the county last year.
http://www.sdcounty.ca.gov/auditor/pdf/apportionment101.pdf
【在 r****a 的大作中提到】
: Property Tax到底是按哪里交的，是按council district，还是school distrcit, 还
: 是另有说法？
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y****i
发帖数: 17878 | 38 take a look at your property tax bill
it lists the Community Facilities District (CFD) info
for example:
SAN DIEGUITO CFD03-1 760-753-6491 Ext. 5532 $x,xxx
DEL MAR ELEM CFD99-1 866-807-6864 $y,yyy
【在 r****a 的大作中提到】
: Property Tax到底是按哪里交的，是按council district，还是school distrcit, 还
: 是另有说法？
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y****i
发帖数: 17878 | 39 PQ, including PV, is currently in D1 along with CV
but D1 has a larger population according to 2010 Census data, so PQ will be
carved out from D1
吧？
【在 d******t 的大作中提到】
: 我是说如果pv要并到cv去，学区，zipcode什么都不变，pv的居民是不是也会反对的这
: 么激烈？
: 要是 park village要和carmel mountain接通，估计park village的居民也不会同意吧？
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d******i
发帖数: 7160 | 40 MM Target 表示情绪稳定。
【在 O***n 的大作中提到】
: "你受得了天天一堆去target买便宜货的人从你门口开过去？"
: LOL,
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l***u
发帖数: 27 | 41 我已经在PV住了十年，从未觉得交通不便。从PV上56和15都很快，
比从4S Ranch上15快多了。
CV上下班时间堵车很厉害。805和5交界处是圣地亚哥的堵车之最。
【在 n********h 的大作中提到】
: 你显然不知道房子为啥贵. 越是贵的房子, 交通越不能便利.
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n********h
发帖数: 13135 | 42 那你上了56,15之后呢, 呆在高速上不动?
【在 l***u 的大作中提到】
: 我已经在PV住了十年，从未觉得交通不便。从PV上56和15都很快，
: 比从4S Ranch上15快多了。
: CV上下班时间堵车很厉害。805和5交界处是圣地亚哥的堵车之最。
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s****u
发帖数: 205 | 43 Sorrento Valley Blvd
10 min from Mira Mesa to South CV with glimpse of Torrey Pine Beach. Hahaha
:)
【在 l***u 的大作中提到】
: 我已经在PV住了十年，从未觉得交通不便。从PV上56和15都很快，
: 比从4S Ranch上15快多了。
: CV上下班时间堵车很厉害。805和5交界处是圣地亚哥的堵车之最。
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l***u
发帖数: 27 | 44 从PV上56后，10分钟到Torrey Pine Beach。
从PV上15后，15分钟到99大华。
【在 n********h 的大作中提到】
: 那你上了56,15之后呢, 呆在高速上不动?
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