s*********5
发帖数: 5637 | 1 这篇UT的文章说San Dieguito High School的学区六年后美国学生的花费可能会从$7000减到$5100。
这美国政客咋没多点“再穷不能穷教育”的觉悟呢。。。
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School hits will vary under state funding formula
Some districts could see more money than others with governor's budget
proposal
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/apr/02/school-hits-will-var
NORTH COUNTY — Eric Dill, an assistant superintendent for the San Dieguito
Union High School District, doesn’t think about how a proposal to overhaul
funding for California schools would affect his district every minute of the
day and night.
“Only every waking moment,” said Dill, who pours over the budget of the 13
,500-student coastal district each year as state-imposed cuts decimate
spending in his and other districts throughout California.
Dill is one of dozens of school administrators throughout the state who have
faced millions of dollars in cuts to education over the years.
Now, as legislators in Sacramento wrestle with a gubernatorial proposal to
restructure how state money is doled out to schools, officials at the
district level are grappling with the idea that they could lose even more
because of the ethnic and socioeconomic backgrounds of their students.
As part of his preliminary budget released in January, Gov. Jerry Brown
proposed that the state give school districts $4,920 to spend per student
each year. Districts would receive additional money depending on how many
English-language learners attend their schools. Even more money would be
added to their budgets depending on the number of financially poor students
in the district.
For districts like the San Dieguito Union High School District, which has
less than 5 percent of its students listed as English-language learners and
little more than 8 percent of its students on the federally funded free and
reduced lunch plan, the proposal could mean the loss of hundreds of dollars
in funding per student per year.
“Under this formula, the way that it’s revolutionized, we’re heavily
penalized,” Dill said. “(The formula) is a valid concept but only if first
they look at the resources that are required to adequately educate students
and implement it based on that. But they didn’t do it that way.”
The new funding formula, which would be phased in over the next six years,
would particularly effect funding for districts like San Dieguito, which
relies heavily on property tax money to operate. Those districts, called
basic aid districts, receive less money from the state since they have more
money coming in from their own, mostly wealthy, communities.
Brown’s proposal would replace the property tax money that’s funneled into
basic aid districts with flat funding from the state, meaning that spending
in those districts could drop even more than they already have. San
Dieguito, for example, spends more than $7,000 on each of its students
annually. The new formula would lower that figure by $1,869.
While proponents of the plan say it’s fair since every student should be
treated equally, Jeffrey Frost, legislative advocate for the California
Association of Suburban School Districts, said the flat-rate funding is too
low for all districts. The figure, he said, is based on the $18 billion the
state has cut from schools in the past four years.
“We’re now at a point where we can barely provide a quality academic
program,” Frost said. “If you’re basically holding them at this level now
, which is an artificially low funding rate because of all the cuts, then is
that an adequate amount of money to educate children in the way we as
Californians want them educated?” |
O***n
发帖数: 13127 | 2 你们这些家长怎么不多点“咱们自己主动贴点吧” 的觉悟呢。。。
7000减到$5100,而Poway Unified则不会受到这么大的影响。不知道这个proposal到底
会怎么样。
Dieguito
overhaul
the
【在 s*********5 的大作中提到】
: 这篇UT的文章说San Dieguito High School的学区六年后美国学生的花费可能会从$7000减到$5100。
: 这美国政客咋没多点“再穷不能穷教育”的觉悟呢。。。
: --------------------
: School hits will vary under state funding formula
: Some districts could see more money than others with governor's budget
: proposal
: http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/apr/02/school-hits-will-var
: NORTH COUNTY — Eric Dill, an assistant superintendent for the San Dieguito
: Union High School District, doesn’t think about how a proposal to overhaul
: funding for California schools would affect his district every minute of the
|
s*********5
发帖数: 5637 | 3 当过班妈的过来说一声，在学校里收个班费都收不齐，您还指望大家成千成千地往里捐？最后受苦的还不是孩子？
我知道现在Del Mar学区鼓励家长每个学生捐800刀来支持孩子的文体课（Science, Technology, Art, Music and PE)，截至日期是本月底，可是到现在为止，只有一半的家长捐了钱 （不论捐的金额）。所以那里的孩子下学期就可能没得每星期有艺术课，音乐课，体育课上了。如果这个州长的proposal也会影响到Del Mar学区的话，不知道孩子又有什么课被砍了。美国小学是一个老师讲大部分的课（英文，数学，人文，历史等），小部分副科由专门的老师教。那些主要的老师一个人对二三十个孩子，如果班上调皮的学生多了，每天管次序就够他们累的了。本来还有点副科他们可以休息一下，给孩子批批作业什么的。如果孩子的副科少了，他们的担子一定更重，我不知道会怎么打发那些本来是孩子上副科的时间。
听说在Deer Canyon，有些副科是家长来帮忙教的，发展到后来可能这就是解决办法之一了吧。
【在 O***n 的大作中提到】
: 你们这些家长怎么不多点“咱们自己主动贴点吧” 的觉悟呢。。。
:
: 7000减到$5100,而Poway Unified则不会受到这么大的影响。不知道这个proposal到底
: 会怎么样。
: Dieguito
: overhaul
: the
|
m******0
发帖数: 183 | 4 请问一下，如果不交班费，老师会不会对学生不好阿？ |
D**********R
发帖数: 25234 | 5 我怎么觉得美国小学要求家长奉献的够多的了呢？
做义工搞活动什么的，人力物力的，上学时间还那么短，算下来咱中国才是再穷也没穷
教育呢。。。
【在 O***n 的大作中提到】
: 你们这些家长怎么不多点“咱们自己主动贴点吧” 的觉悟呢。。。
:
: 7000减到$5100,而Poway Unified则不会受到这么大的影响。不知道这个proposal到底
: 会怎么样。
: Dieguito
: overhaul
: the
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s*********5
发帖数: 5637 | 6 班费由班妈管，好像老师一般不太过问。但是班费不够的话，孩子有些活动可能就搞不
好（例如各种party等）。另外班费是有部分是在各种年节时家长对老师表示感谢的。
如果交了班费的话，家长就不用再为给老师买什么礼物费心了。
【在 m******0 的大作中提到】
: 请问一下，如果不交班费，老师会不会对学生不好阿？
|
s*********5
发帖数: 5637 | 7 RE.
好像小时父母从未为我们2点放学后干嘛，暑假两个半月做啥，学校没钱教音乐/美术之
类的事儿操过太多心。
【在 D**********R 的大作中提到】
: 我怎么觉得美国小学要求家长奉献的够多的了呢？
: 做义工搞活动什么的，人力物力的，上学时间还那么短，算下来咱中国才是再穷也没穷
: 教育呢。。。
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l*****a
发帖数: 14598 | 8 所以说你愁什么呢？
【在 s*********5 的大作中提到】
: RE.
: 好像小时父母从未为我们2点放学后干嘛，暑假两个半月做啥，学校没钱教音乐/美术之
: 类的事儿操过太多心。
|
B****1
发帖数: 222 | 9 班妈都管什么呀？mm能不能给我科普一下。还有，怎么当好这个班妈，又能办成事儿，
又不得罪其他父母的，比如说收钱才能组织的活动，会不会有些家长觉得班妈是在用大
家的钱来给自己的孩子捞取某种好处之类的？
捐？最后受苦的还不是孩子？
Technology, Art, Music and PE)，截至日期是本月底，可是到现在为止，只有一半的
家长捐了钱 （不论捐的金额）。所以那里的孩子下学期就可能没得每星期有艺术课，
音乐课，体育课上了。如果这个州长的proposal也会影响到Del Mar学区的话，不知道
孩子又有什么课被砍了。美国小学是一个老师讲大部分的课（英文，数学，人文，历史
等），小部分副科由专门的老师教。那些主要的老师一个人对二三十个孩子，如果班上
调皮的学生多了，每天管次序就够他们累的了。本来还: 有点副科他们可以休息一下，
给孩子批批作业什么的。如果孩子的副科少了，他们的担子一定更重，我不知道会怎么
打发那些本来是孩子上副科的时间。
之一了吧。
【在 s*********5 的大作中提到】
: 当过班妈的过来说一声，在学校里收个班费都收不齐，您还指望大家成千成千地往里捐？最后受苦的还不是孩子？
: 我知道现在Del Mar学区鼓励家长每个学生捐800刀来支持孩子的文体课（Science, Technology, Art, Music and PE)，截至日期是本月底，可是到现在为止，只有一半的家长捐了钱 （不论捐的金额）。所以那里的孩子下学期就可能没得每星期有艺术课，音乐课，体育课上了。如果这个州长的proposal也会影响到Del Mar学区的话，不知道孩子又有什么课被砍了。美国小学是一个老师讲大部分的课（英文，数学，人文，历史等），小部分副科由专门的老师教。那些主要的老师一个人对二三十个孩子，如果班上调皮的学生多了，每天管次序就够他们累的了。本来还有点副科他们可以休息一下，给孩子批批作业什么的。如果孩子的副科少了，他们的担子一定更重，我不知道会怎么打发那些本来是孩子上副科的时间。
: 听说在Deer Canyon，有些副科是家长来帮忙教的，发展到后来可能这就是解决办法之一了吧。
|
s*********5
发帖数: 5637 | 10 很高兴听说你也愿意当班妈。主要任务就是问老师有什么需要帮忙的，然后尽量和其他
家长沟通，把事情做出来。有的学校比较有条理，Parent Teacher Association专门有
班妈的coodinator, 这样学校要做什么，平时给家长写什么信，收多少班费，他们都会
给你建议，有的学校就比较随意要干什么班妈自己定。一般一个班都有两个班妈，可以
互相照应，这样在班费的财政处理上也有个监督。我觉得大家都 挺感谢有班妈热情服
务的，还没听到过任何风凉话。
你做班妈的话，孩子一定非常自豪。另外和老师联系多，对老师的秉性更了解，可以更
好地配合老师帮助自己的孩子。另外，如果你多有机会去学校帮忙的话，会对孩子的同
学和朋友更多了解。
【在 B****1 的大作中提到】
: 班妈都管什么呀？mm能不能给我科普一下。还有，怎么当好这个班妈，又能办成事儿，
: 又不得罪其他父母的，比如说收钱才能组织的活动，会不会有些家长觉得班妈是在用大
: 家的钱来给自己的孩子捞取某种好处之类的？
:
: 捐？最后受苦的还不是孩子？
: Technology, Art, Music and PE)，截至日期是本月底，可是到现在为止，只有一半的
: 家长捐了钱 （不论捐的金额）。所以那里的孩子下学期就可能没得每星期有艺术课，
: 音乐课，体育课上了。如果这个州长的proposal也会影响到Del Mar学区的话，不知道
: 孩子又有什么课被砍了。美国小学是一个老师讲大部分的课（英文，数学，人文，历史
: 等），小部分副科由专门的老师教。那些主要的老师一个人对二三十个孩子，如果班上
|
|
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s*********5
发帖数: 5637 | 11 我把这篇文章发给了一个朋友，她是Carmel Valley某小学的PTA President,这是她刚刚给我的回答。看来UT的文章真不是忽悠的了。
“While the DMUSD and San Diego Unified have separate finances, our funding
would be reduced by the same amount.
Both the state and local school PTA oppose any cuts to education funding,
since education funding has already been cut WAY too much.
I encourage you to contact all your elected representatives to let them know
you support fully-funded public education. I also encourage you to sign
the petition the state PTA is circulating to put education funding on the
ballot this fall. You can get more info by googling "our children our
future 2012
Thank you so much for your interest. Please tell your friends! ” |
s*********5
发帖数: 5637 | 12 Our Children, Our Future (楼上校PTA主席朋友介绍的网站上的一些数据真让人忧心）
http://ourchildrenourfuture2012.com/read-the-initiative.aspx
1. California is shortchanging the future of our children and our state.
Today, our state ranks 47th nationally in what we invest to educate each
student. California also ranks dead last, 50th out of 50 states, with the
largest class sizes in the nation.
2. Recent budget cuts are putting our schools even farther behind. Over the
last 3 years, more than $20 billion has been cut from California schools;
essential programs and services that all children need to be successful have
been eliminated or cut; and over 40,000 educators have been laid off.
3. We are also failing with our early childhood development programs, which
many studies confirm are one of the best educational investments we can make
. Our underfunded public preschool programs serve only 40 per cent of
eligible 3 and 4 year olds. Only five per cent of very low income infants
and toddlers, who need the support most, have access to early childhood
programs.
4. We can and must do better. Children are our future. Investing in our
schools and early childhood programs to prepare children to succeed is the
best thing we can do for our children and the future of our economy and our
state. Without a quality education, our children will not be able to compete
in a global economy. Without a skilled workforce, our state will not be
able to compete for jobs. We owe it to our children and to ourselves to
improve our children's education. |
a******l
发帖数: 176 | 13 资金短缺是只是CV这样, 还是加州的学校都同样cut?
刚刚给我的回答。看来UT的文章真不是忽悠的了。
funding
know
【在 s*********5 的大作中提到】
: 我把这篇文章发给了一个朋友，她是Carmel Valley某小学的PTA President,这是她刚刚给我的回答。看来UT的文章真不是忽悠的了。
: “While the DMUSD and San Diego Unified have separate finances, our funding
: would be reduced by the same amount.
: Both the state and local school PTA oppose any cuts to education funding,
: since education funding has already been cut WAY too much.
: I encourage you to contact all your elected representatives to let them know
: you support fully-funded public education. I also encourage you to sign
: the petition the state PTA is circulating to put education funding on the
: ballot this fall. You can get more info by googling "our children our
: future 2012
|
B******1
发帖数: 9094 | 14 One of the reasons why I moved out of California is my worry about the
school system in California. The cut in education funding started in 2008
and became worse and worse every year. At first, your donation to the educational
foundation would be reserved for the school of your children. Then they
changed the rules and the money became DISTRICT properties.
I would rather spend my donation to hire a private tutor than go to a black
hole! Hence, I moved my family to the east coast where no annual donation is
required to run extracurricular activities and where smart kids can go to
Gifted and Talented programs.
As the school funding problem deteriorates, the housing price for the school
district would go south. Then the property tax revenue shrinks and the
school district might become even worse. Hard to break this vicious cycle
until the local economy recovers. And by that time, your kid might be left
far behind compared to kids in other states. |
l*****a
发帖数: 14598 | 15 you already moved out?
In fact, I also suggest the above parents who really care about the
education of their kids move out of SD/CA.Don't just enjoy the sunshine and
relaxable lives here.
学学孟母三迁。。。
educational
black
is
school
【在 B******1 的大作中提到】
: One of the reasons why I moved out of California is my worry about the
: school system in California. The cut in education funding started in 2008
: and became worse and worse every year. At first, your donation to the educational
: foundation would be reserved for the school of your children. Then they
: changed the rules and the money became DISTRICT properties.
: I would rather spend my donation to hire a private tutor than go to a black
: hole! Hence, I moved my family to the east coast where no annual donation is
: required to run extracurricular activities and where smart kids can go to
: Gifted and Talented programs.
: As the school funding problem deteriorates, the housing price for the school
|
B******1
发帖数: 9094 | 16 Yes.
Parents can "vote" with their feet . . . and primary residences.
and
【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】
: you already moved out?
: In fact, I also suggest the above parents who really care about the
: education of their kids move out of SD/CA.Don't just enjoy the sunshine and
: relaxable lives here.
: 学学孟母三迁。。。
:
: educational
: black
: is
: school
|
l*****a
发帖数: 14598 | 17 有魄力
不过，大部分人为了饭碗的缘故还是不太会这么有魄力的
【在 B******1 的大作中提到】
: Yes.
: Parents can "vote" with their feet . . . and primary residences.
:
: and
|
s******z
发帖数: 112 | 18 有这个魄力干嘛不送孩子上私立？省下在CV买房子的钱，完全有实力可以送孩子上私立
。这个政策如果持续的话，孩子还小的想买CV房的要考虑考虑了。不要等到High
School阶段，CV的高中已经面目全非，还不如省钱上私校。
【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】
: 有魄力
: 不过，大部分人为了饭碗的缘故还是不太会这么有魄力的
|
l*****a
发帖数: 14598 | 19 能介绍一下您觉得哪里的教育比较适合孩子发展？
东北？西北？
【在 B******1 的大作中提到】
: Yes.
: Parents can "vote" with their feet . . . and primary residences.
:
: and
|
B******1
发帖数: 9094 | 20 I can only provide my opinion on CA vs. VA/MD. VA/MD is much better. Their
best school districts have money, man power, and a managing system to
support all kinds of activities for their students. Their GT program is a
well-oiled machine to foster children's interests and aptitude in academics.
SD's best school districts cannot compete against VA's best school
districts in that regard.
【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】
: 能介绍一下您觉得哪里的教育比较适合孩子发展？
: 东北？西北？
|
|
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t*Q
发帖数: 7840 | 21 大家不要悲哀，SD还是有胜算的。
CV 比 VA 中等学区
Poway学区 比 VA 最差学区
SD 其它学区 比 VA 最好学区
Their
academics.
【在 B******1 的大作中提到】
: I can only provide my opinion on CA vs. VA/MD. VA/MD is much better. Their
: best school districts have money, man power, and a managing system to
: support all kinds of activities for their students. Their GT program is a
: well-oiled machine to foster children's interests and aptitude in academics.
: SD's best school districts cannot compete against VA's best school
: districts in that regard.
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s******t
发帖数: 12883 | 22 主要是脑残加州把property tax平均分配到所有学校，那些差区的
学校占了大便宜。
Their
academics.
【在 B******1 的大作中提到】
: I can only provide my opinion on CA vs. VA/MD. VA/MD is much better. Their
: best school districts have money, man power, and a managing system to
: support all kinds of activities for their students. Their GT program is a
: well-oiled machine to foster children's interests and aptitude in academics.
: SD's best school districts cannot compete against VA's best school
: districts in that regard.
|
m*****m
发帖数: 242 | 23 同问.
Poway学区的高中会cut吗?
【在 a******l 的大作中提到】
: 资金短缺是只是CV这样, 还是加州的学校都同样cut?
:
: 刚刚给我的回答。看来UT的文章真不是忽悠的了。
: funding
: know
|
y****i
发帖数: 17878 | 24 don't know where you got this idea
school bonds in MR part of the property tax always goes to local school district
property tax that is 1% of the property value goes to state general fund used for various expenses including K-12 education
【在 s******t 的大作中提到】
: 主要是脑残加州把property tax平均分配到所有学校，那些差区的
: 学校占了大便宜。
:
: Their
: academics.
|
n*******e
发帖数: 974 | 25 Poway现在就是人家cut完的价钱吧？
【在 m*****m 的大作中提到】
: 同问.
: Poway学区的高中会cut吗?
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m*****m
发帖数: 242 | 26 哦，Poway学区已经被cut过了， 现在轮到CV了？
【在 n*******e 的大作中提到】
: Poway现在就是人家cut完的价钱吧？
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l****6
发帖数: 2325 | 27 俺一年缴一万四，五的房产税，并且只增不减，据说用在本区域孩子们教育上，还要俺贴个P呀。
钱都得色到哪去了？蠢猪政府。
【在 O***n 的大作中提到】
: 你们这些家长怎么不多点“咱们自己主动贴点吧” 的觉悟呢。。。
:
: 7000减到$5100,而Poway Unified则不会受到这么大的影响。不知道这个proposal到底
: 会怎么样。
: Dieguito
: overhaul
: the
|
G***r
发帖数: 181 | |
y****i
发帖数: 17878 | 29 BSO your $1,200,000+ house
BSO your house has been increasing its value since you bought it
hoho
俺贴个P呀。
【在 l****6 的大作中提到】
: 俺一年缴一万四，五的房产税，并且只增不减，据说用在本区域孩子们教育上，还要俺贴个P呀。
: 钱都得色到哪去了？蠢猪政府。
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发帖数: 13127 | 30 让他慷慨大方慈善一下，还叫，叫，叫， lol
【在 y****i 的大作中提到】
: BSO your $1,200,000+ house
: BSO your house has been increasing its value since you bought it
: hoho
:
: 俺贴个P呀。
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发帖数: 1242 | 31 我没做过班妈，话说有必要搞这么多party 吗？我也不知道是不是我孩子还小，在K，
所以经常有party，不时还有小朋友生日带cupcake之类的，搞得甜食多多。我对这些还
真的不是很喜欢，就像老师没什么东西要教了，找些活动填满时间的感觉。
小朋友是很喜欢我去当义工的，去了他会说，“妈妈我很喜欢你来volunteer。”一段
时间没去就问“什么时候你来volunteer啊？”
我去给他们班上Art Corps的课，要先去学习班学怎么教，然后提早一小时去班里准备
，教完了还得收拾残局。虽然我觉得没什么意思，（很简单的东西也能搞得状况连连）
，可是班上的小朋友们似乎都很喜欢这个program，每次看到我们几个妈妈就会说，“
Art Corps today?!”
不过我觉得这个“对孩子的同学和朋友更多了解”是很重要的，等他们大一些了，可能
就更重要了。
【在 s*********5 的大作中提到】
: 很高兴听说你也愿意当班妈。主要任务就是问老师有什么需要帮忙的，然后尽量和其他
: 家长沟通，把事情做出来。有的学校比较有条理，Parent Teacher Association专门有
: 班妈的coodinator, 这样学校要做什么，平时给家长写什么信，收多少班费，他们都会
: 给你建议，有的学校就比较随意要干什么班妈自己定。一般一个班都有两个班妈，可以
: 互相照应，这样在班费的财政处理上也有个监督。我觉得大家都 挺感谢有班妈热情服
: 务的，还没听到过任何风凉话。
: 你做班妈的话，孩子一定非常自豪。另外和老师联系多，对老师的秉性更了解，可以更
: 好地配合老师帮助自己的孩子。另外，如果你多有机会去学校帮忙的话，会对孩子的同
: 学和朋友更多了解。
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