s**********o
发帖数: 14359 | 1 去特麦求拉买房MAKE SENSE，破公寓2BED MIRA MESA居然2000刀，
特麦求拉能买个5BEDS了 |
a***s
发帖数: 5417 | 2 mira mesa 15号出口附近的新公寓楼盖的真快啊。已经一片起来了。
看来mira mesa要成为新的闹市区了。已经在那里买房的老房主赚大了。
那里的商店，明显比别的地方的商店人气足。
以后房子能跟utc附近那么贵。
temecula夏天很热的，不如mira mesa住着舒服。
不过我觉得没孩子的家庭还是租公寓好，可以租得离上班近，而且有游泳池有健身房的
公寓。能省不少时间。住远的话，宝贵的生命都在车轮上度过，多不合算。
【在 s**********o 的大作中提到】
: 去特麦求拉买房MAKE SENSE，破公寓2BED MIRA MESA居然2000刀，
: 特麦求拉能买个5BEDS了
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s**********o
发帖数: 14359 | 3 健身房再好也不如24，游泳池跟下饺子的似的，一堆小孩根本没法游吧，
特卖求拉自家的私POOL，晚上光着游游，爽来。唉，想想天天开车，也是
头大
【在 a***s 的大作中提到】
: mira mesa 15号出口附近的新公寓楼盖的真快啊。已经一片起来了。
: 看来mira mesa要成为新的闹市区了。已经在那里买房的老房主赚大了。
: 那里的商店，明显比别的地方的商店人气足。
: 以后房子能跟utc附近那么贵。
: temecula夏天很热的，不如mira mesa住着舒服。
: 不过我觉得没孩子的家庭还是租公寓好，可以租得离上班近，而且有游泳池有健身房的
: 公寓。能省不少时间。住远的话，宝贵的生命都在车轮上度过，多不合算。
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a***s
发帖数: 5417 | 4 租mira mesa公寓的，有小孩的应该是少数吧。
工作的有小孩， 都去买房子了。
不像utc那片，好多博士后，有小孩，但是又不能买房子。
【在 s**********o 的大作中提到】
: 健身房再好也不如24，游泳池跟下饺子的似的，一堆小孩根本没法游吧，
: 特卖求拉自家的私POOL，晚上光着游游，爽来。唉，想想天天开车，也是
: 头大
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s**********o
发帖数: 14359 | 5 博士后也可以住MESA啊，不用那么死心眼吧，开个车就那么难啊
【在 a***s 的大作中提到】
: 租mira mesa公寓的，有小孩的应该是少数吧。
: 工作的有小孩， 都去买房子了。
: 不像utc那片，好多博士后，有小孩，但是又不能买房子。
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a***s
发帖数: 5417 | 6 ucsd parking贵又难找。
【在 s**********o 的大作中提到】
: 博士后也可以住MESA啊，不用那么死心眼吧，开个车就那么难啊
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s**********o
发帖数: 14359 | 7 老婆车接车送很难吗，没工作接送一下要求不过分吧
【在 a***s 的大作中提到】
: ucsd parking贵又难找。
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l*****a
发帖数: 14598 | 8 会告诉你没工作很费由
【在 s**********o 的大作中提到】
: 老婆车接车送很难吗，没工作接送一下要求不过分吧
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r***e
发帖数: 2539 | 9 哈哈，7月份开始坐车要收钱，UTC就没有什么优势了。
【在 a***s 的大作中提到】
: ucsd parking贵又难找。
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S**r
发帖数: 2478 | 10 20k?
20k在特麦求拉买不了5B的Sing丨e
买个三房的吧
【在 s**********o 的大作中提到】
: 去特麦求拉买房MAKE SENSE，破公寓2BED MIRA MESA居然2000刀，
: 特麦求拉能买个5BEDS了
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s******d
发帖数: 2568 | 11 据说mira mar路上那啥university, 就唐俊拿博士那个，过几年就升革UCmira mesa.
到那时现在没买的人全后悔了。
【在 a***s 的大作中提到】
: mira mesa 15号出口附近的新公寓楼盖的真快啊。已经一片起来了。
: 看来mira mesa要成为新的闹市区了。已经在那里买房的老房主赚大了。
: 那里的商店，明显比别的地方的商店人气足。
: 以后房子能跟utc附近那么贵。
: temecula夏天很热的，不如mira mesa住着舒服。
: 不过我觉得没孩子的家庭还是租公寓好，可以租得离上班近，而且有游泳池有健身房的
: 公寓。能省不少时间。住远的话，宝贵的生命都在车轮上度过，多不合算。
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s**********o
发帖数: 14359 | 12 穷人才上那个学校吧，住不起FANCY公寓的
【在 s******d 的大作中提到】
: 据说mira mar路上那啥university, 就唐俊拿博士那个，过几年就升革UCmira mesa.
: 到那时现在没买的人全后悔了。
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J*******Z
发帖数: 528 | 13 Location location location... Mira Mesa is san diego city, temecula is not
even suburb. Housing is not just a place to live, it's also a huge
investment, so you have to think about property value appreciation in the
future whether you use it as primary residence or not. When you purchase a
stock, return RATE matters, not how cheap the stock is, same as purchasing a
property in addition to other considerations such as school district,
transportation and so on. PS, temecula is not that cheap any more. |
r****t
发帖数: 10904 | 14 Stop joking about appreciation in the future... Housing in this month is
about a place to live, not an investment. They would become good investment
if the prices drop 50% from now on.
a
【在 J*******Z 的大作中提到】
: Location location location... Mira Mesa is san diego city, temecula is not
: even suburb. Housing is not just a place to live, it's also a huge
: investment, so you have to think about property value appreciation in the
: future whether you use it as primary residence or not. When you purchase a
: stock, return RATE matters, not how cheap the stock is, same as purchasing a
: property in addition to other considerations such as school district,
: transportation and so on. PS, temecula is not that cheap any more.
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p********r
发帖数: 1980 | 15 As a realtor, you should know better. If history is of any guidance, low
costs area in SoCal do appreciate faster in price in the bubble years.
Temecula also has pretty good school districts comparable to Carlsbad. Its
price per square feet was within 30% of Carlsbad peak price, but now it is
about 50%. They drop more in bad years, it does not mean they will
appreciate
less in good years. Have you heard about "beta" in stock market?
That said, I do anticipate MM will appreciate more than TV in the next few
years but it was purely because the inventory is tighter in MM as well as
the strong demand from QCOM.
MM's risk is that it all too much depends on a single company and its future
. Temecula on the hand is much more easily cash flow so it attracts a board
range of real estate investors, such as Bruce Norris who is a prominent
SoCal real estate investor.
And these investors do serious analysis before they invest including the
potential appreciation...not like the lazy-ass analysis that you just did
with the realtor slogan of "location, location, location".
a
【在 J*******Z 的大作中提到】
: Location location location... Mira Mesa is san diego city, temecula is not
: even suburb. Housing is not just a place to live, it's also a huge
: investment, so you have to think about property value appreciation in the
: future whether you use it as primary residence or not. When you purchase a
: stock, return RATE matters, not how cheap the stock is, same as purchasing a
: property in addition to other considerations such as school district,
: transportation and so on. PS, temecula is not that cheap any more.
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s**********o
发帖数: 14359 | 16 据说MIRA MESA的房价12月以来已经疯涨20%，
差学区也就这样了，加上新APARTMENT和COSTCO
可能把MM变成第二个MISSION VALLY+差学区，
现在买房的要做好5年亏本的打算了。 |
e*********u
发帖数: 3591 | 17 没必要为未来谁都说不准的事情吵么，大家各自发表观点就是了。
在我看来，你们俩说得都挺有道理、挺professional的。只不过都是个人观点，
不代表未来市场走向，包括那个Bruce Norris也不见得每次都赢的，我去听过他
一次讲座，个人觉得他在买入点的分析固然不错，其退出策略也颇值得参考。
【在 p********r 的大作中提到】
: As a realtor, you should know better. If history is of any guidance, low
: costs area in SoCal do appreciate faster in price in the bubble years.
: Temecula also has pretty good school districts comparable to Carlsbad. Its
: price per square feet was within 30% of Carlsbad peak price, but now it is
: about 50%. They drop more in bad years, it does not mean they will
: appreciate
: less in good years. Have you heard about "beta" in stock market?
: That said, I do anticipate MM will appreciate more than TV in the next few
: years but it was purely because the inventory is tighter in MM as well as
: the strong demand from QCOM.
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r****t
发帖数: 10904 | 18 Seemingly good analysis if you don't assume "good years". IMO good years in
housing are long gone. We are likely to see "bad years" sooner than you
think.
【在 p********r 的大作中提到】
: As a realtor, you should know better. If history is of any guidance, low
: costs area in SoCal do appreciate faster in price in the bubble years.
: Temecula also has pretty good school districts comparable to Carlsbad. Its
: price per square feet was within 30% of Carlsbad peak price, but now it is
: about 50%. They drop more in bad years, it does not mean they will
: appreciate
: less in good years. Have you heard about "beta" in stock market?
: That said, I do anticipate MM will appreciate more than TV in the next few
: years but it was purely because the inventory is tighter in MM as well as
: the strong demand from QCOM.
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e*********u
发帖数: 3591 | 19 Why bad? 愿闻其详。
in
【在 r****t 的大作中提到】
: Seemingly good analysis if you don't assume "good years". IMO good years in
: housing are long gone. We are likely to see "bad years" sooner than you
: think.
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s******d
发帖数: 2568 | 20 讲起买房， 老中眼里好象三叠国就CV，4S，MM，RP这么大。
其实你要不是非去抢新房，有两个很不错地方往往被人忽略。
一个是踢了三他， 典型的中产区， 房子比MM整齐，学校也不错，99买菜很近，军事纪
念品也捡的差不多了。
还有恩赐妮塔斯，从中到高房子很多，跟CV一个高中学区。如果在琐忍谷上班路上时间
跟4S差不多。 |
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s**********o
发帖数: 14359 | 21 踢了三他也不便宜，恩赐妮塔斯RUSH HOUR堵死吧，房子也贵得不得了
【在 s******d 的大作中提到】
: 讲起买房， 老中眼里好象三叠国就CV，4S，MM，RP这么大。
: 其实你要不是非去抢新房，有两个很不错地方往往被人忽略。
: 一个是踢了三他， 典型的中产区， 房子比MM整齐，学校也不错，99买菜很近，军事纪
: 念品也捡的差不多了。
: 还有恩赐妮塔斯，从中到高房子很多，跟CV一个高中学区。如果在琐忍谷上班路上时间
: 跟4S差不多。
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s******d
发帖数: 2568 | 22 踢了三他也不便宜, 但相当的房子比RP低差不多100K。
恩赐妮塔斯贵的房子起码不会象现在的新房跟TOWNHOUSE都快没区别了。 Rush hour 比
Carlsbad, San Elijo 省十几分钟吧
【在 s**********o 的大作中提到】
: 踢了三他也不便宜，恩赐妮塔斯RUSH HOUR堵死吧，房子也贵得不得了
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S**r
发帖数: 2478 | 23 有一次在chula vista见到一个不错的中餐馆。看来住在彼CV的老中也不少。
【在 s******d 的大作中提到】
: 踢了三他也不便宜, 但相当的房子比RP低差不多100K。
: 恩赐妮塔斯贵的房子起码不会象现在的新房跟TOWNHOUSE都快没区别了。 Rush hour 比
: Carlsbad, San Elijo 省十几分钟吧
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s******d
发帖数: 2568 | 24 对班上的老中来说，过了8号基本上就是中美洲了， 一般就去旅游啥的
【在 S**r 的大作中提到】
: 有一次在chula vista见到一个不错的中餐馆。看来住在彼CV的老中也不少。
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p********r
发帖数: 1980 | 25 You wish or you have data/logic to prove it?
I wish there will be "bad years" as well...because I am a net buyer of
property rather than a seller in the coming years. And the price is too high
for the working family to begin with.
But I am seeing evidence every day that is contrary to my wish. Did you hear
what Obama said yesterday:"Right now, there's a bill in this Congress that
would give every responsible homeowner in America the chance to save $3,000
a year by refinancing at today's rates. Democrats and Republicans have
supported it before. So what are we waiting for? Take a vote and send me
that bill. Why would that be a partisan issue, helping folks refinance?
Right now, overlapping regulations keep responsible young families from
buying their first home. What's holding us back? Let's streamline the
process and help our economy grow."
What I read from this is that they will allow people with negative equity to
refinance and lower the down payment requirement (only 3.5% for FHA now!)
for first-time buyers. Basically, the responsible lending standard is the
only thing that keeps the housing price still in "reasonable" range and
Obama is vowed to remove it. What else that we don't have in place comparing
to the housing bubble in 2006?
1. Shortage of new homes comparing to the household formation: Check
2. Negative real interest rate from fed: Check
3. Loose lending standard that requires almost no down payment and will lend
more than the underlying property value: Check
4. Using home equity as ATM to fuel the bubble economy: Check http://finance.yahoo.com/news/americans-tapping-home-equity-again-160850204.html
Yes, payback may eventually come. But not anytime soon.
in
【在 r****t 的大作中提到】
: Seemingly good analysis if you don't assume "good years". IMO good years in
: housing are long gone. We are likely to see "bad years" sooner than you
: think.
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O***n
发帖数: 13127 | 26 i like 踢了三他 a lot
【在 s******d 的大作中提到】
: 讲起买房， 老中眼里好象三叠国就CV，4S，MM，RP这么大。
: 其实你要不是非去抢新房，有两个很不错地方往往被人忽略。
: 一个是踢了三他， 典型的中产区， 房子比MM整齐，学校也不错，99买菜很近，军事纪
: 念品也捡的差不多了。
: 还有恩赐妮塔斯，从中到高房子很多，跟CV一个高中学区。如果在琐忍谷上班路上时间
: 跟4S差不多。
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r****t
发帖数: 10904 | 27 恩赐妮塔斯是哪里啊？
【在 s**********o 的大作中提到】
: 踢了三他也不便宜，恩赐妮塔斯RUSH HOUR堵死吧，房子也贵得不得了
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O***n
发帖数: 13127 | 28 encinitas,
靠海一侧很贵的
【在 r****t 的大作中提到】
: 恩赐妮塔斯是哪里啊？
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s******d
发帖数: 2568 | 29 离海远的一侧更贵， 当然还有很多in between.
【在 O***n 的大作中提到】
: encinitas,
: 靠海一侧很贵的
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a***s
发帖数: 5417 | 30 Thanks!
Sufficient reasoning of why housing price will FLY~~~ AWAY~~~ in the year
ahead.
唉，没钱买房子的真惨！
high
hear
that
000
【在 p********r 的大作中提到】
: You wish or you have data/logic to prove it?
: I wish there will be "bad years" as well...because I am a net buyer of
: property rather than a seller in the coming years. And the price is too high
: for the working family to begin with.
: But I am seeing evidence every day that is contrary to my wish. Did you hear
: what Obama said yesterday:"Right now, there's a bill in this Congress that
: would give every responsible homeowner in America the chance to save $3,000
: a year by refinancing at today's rates. Democrats and Republicans have
: supported it before. So what are we waiting for? Take a vote and send me
: that bill. Why would that be a partisan issue, helping folks refinance?
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r****t
发帖数: 10904 | 31 look at schiller's interview today. relaxing loan criteria and refinance
are talked about for a while. that's just showing this little bubble is not
far from its bursting. if inflation keeps low, stocks are going to do better
than homes.
【在 a***s 的大作中提到】
: Thanks!
: Sufficient reasoning of why housing price will FLY~~~ AWAY~~~ in the year
: ahead.
: 唉，没钱买房子的真惨！
:
: high
: hear
: that
: 000
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r****t
发帖数: 10904 | 32 你怎么不早点说。。。第一次听说体力三他，这地儿离downtown 近很多啊。
【在 s******d 的大作中提到】
: 讲起买房， 老中眼里好象三叠国就CV，4S，MM，RP这么大。
: 其实你要不是非去抢新房，有两个很不错地方往往被人忽略。
: 一个是踢了三他， 典型的中产区， 房子比MM整齐，学校也不错，99买菜很近，军事纪
: 念品也捡的差不多了。
: 还有恩赐妮塔斯，从中到高房子很多，跟CV一个高中学区。如果在琐忍谷上班路上时间
: 跟4S差不多。
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s******d
发帖数: 2568 | 33 I won't give most politician's words a s**t. They work for votes. If people
know it's ok to spent more than they can afford and government will save
them, wait for another bubble bust in the near future.
high
hear
that
000
【在 p********r 的大作中提到】
: You wish or you have data/logic to prove it?
: I wish there will be "bad years" as well...because I am a net buyer of
: property rather than a seller in the coming years. And the price is too high
: for the working family to begin with.
: But I am seeing evidence every day that is contrary to my wish. Did you hear
: what Obama said yesterday:"Right now, there's a bill in this Congress that
: would give every responsible homeowner in America the chance to save $3,000
: a year by refinancing at today's rates. Democrats and Republicans have
: supported it before. So what are we waiting for? Take a vote and send me
: that bill. Why would that be a partisan issue, helping folks refinance?
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p********r
发帖数: 1980 | 34 No offense. I usually don't find Schiller's comment intelligent. I agree
with his farmland talk recently, but Jeremy Grantham at GMO mentioned about
farmland years before Schiller discovers it.
And between S&P500 and real estate, I think real estate is just in an early
stage of bubble, but S&P500 (more so with small-caps) have bubble signs all
over them. It comes down to where you can park your money relatively safely.
There is bubble everywhere now (thank you, Ben). I think both farmland and
real estate are still in early stage of bubble. If you buy index now, you
are looking at negative "real" returns in the coming years. Some individual
stocks may outperform (e.g. QCOM), but overall stock market is going to be a
terrible place to over-weight your portfolio because it has priced in so
many good news.
Of course, it is all speculation at this point. No one knows for sure. As
Jeremy recently said, maybe someone would start to claim "with discount rate
this low, the DOW should sell at, perhaps, 36,000". We have to look back
several years from now to see who is right.
not
better
【在 r****t 的大作中提到】
: look at schiller's interview today. relaxing loan criteria and refinance
: are talked about for a while. that's just showing this little bubble is not
: far from its bursting. if inflation keeps low, stocks are going to do better
: than homes.
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s**********o
发帖数: 14359 | 35 也不知道你们在吵什么，觉得贵就不买白，我看这个小巴宝
破裂得可能很大，有点像恐慌性买盘，房子还会源源不断地
放出，把那些差房都抢去了才好。 |
r****t
发帖数: 10904 | 36 when was Grantham's call on farmland? People are on to farmland since 2009.
about
early
all
safely.
and
individual
a
【在 p********r 的大作中提到】
: No offense. I usually don't find Schiller's comment intelligent. I agree
: with his farmland talk recently, but Jeremy Grantham at GMO mentioned about
: farmland years before Schiller discovers it.
: And between S&P500 and real estate, I think real estate is just in an early
: stage of bubble, but S&P500 (more so with small-caps) have bubble signs all
: over them. It comes down to where you can park your money relatively safely.
: There is bubble everywhere now (thank you, Ben). I think both farmland and
: real estate are still in early stage of bubble. If you buy index now, you
: are looking at negative "real" returns in the coming years. Some individual
: stocks may outperform (e.g. QCOM), but overall stock market is going to be a
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i****a
发帖数: 36252 | 37 will become asian mesa
【在 a***s 的大作中提到】
: mira mesa 15号出口附近的新公寓楼盖的真快啊。已经一片起来了。
: 看来mira mesa要成为新的闹市区了。已经在那里买房的老房主赚大了。
: 那里的商店，明显比别的地方的商店人气足。
: 以后房子能跟utc附近那么贵。
: temecula夏天很热的，不如mira mesa住着舒服。
: 不过我觉得没孩子的家庭还是租公寓好，可以租得离上班近，而且有游泳池有健身房的
: 公寓。能省不少时间。住远的话，宝贵的生命都在车轮上度过，多不合算。
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p********r
发帖数: 1980 | 38 Well before 2009. Here is a link of article that he calls for
investing in timberland January 2009. I am limited by what I
could search online for his advise record:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123292802063613879.html
【在 r****t 的大作中提到】
: when was Grantham's call on farmland? People are on to farmland since 2009.
:
: about
: early
: all
: safely.
: and
: individual
: a
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a***s
发帖数: 5417 | 39 本来就都是越南人和菲律宾人，本来就是asian area.
【在 i****a 的大作中提到】
: will become asian mesa
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s******d
发帖数: 2568 | 40 当年MM可是臭名昭著。 前州长Peter Wilson 从政的起家口号就是 "No more Mira
Mesas!"
【在 a***s 的大作中提到】
: 本来就都是越南人和菲律宾人，本来就是asian area.
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s**********o
发帖数: 14359 | 41 这是断章取义了吧，MM当年臭在，开发的时候没有留地建SCHOOL和STORES
【在 s******d 的大作中提到】
: 当年MM可是臭名昭著。 前州长Peter Wilson 从政的起家口号就是 "No more Mira
: Mesas!"
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y****a
发帖数: 212 | |
p********r
发帖数: 1980 | |
y****a
发帖数: 212 | |
s******d
发帖数: 2568 | 45 No just that, it was a gang problem area as well. 不过现在越南人和菲律宾人
都差不多苦尽甜来了
【在 s**********o 的大作中提到】
: 这是断章取义了吧，MM当年臭在，开发的时候没有留地建SCHOOL和STORES
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r****t
发帖数: 10904 | 46 zkss?
【在 s******d 的大作中提到】
: No just that, it was a gang problem area as well. 不过现在越南人和菲律宾人
: 都差不多苦尽甜来了
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j****n
发帖数: 3465 | 47 其实North County这边的房子性价比更高，去Downtown San Diego也不算太远，大家可
以多考虑这边。
【在 s******d 的大作中提到】
: 讲起买房， 老中眼里好象三叠国就CV，4S，MM，RP这么大。
: 其实你要不是非去抢新房，有两个很不错地方往往被人忽略。
: 一个是踢了三他， 典型的中产区， 房子比MM整齐，学校也不错，99买菜很近，军事纪
: 念品也捡的差不多了。
: 还有恩赐妮塔斯，从中到高房子很多，跟CV一个高中学区。如果在琐忍谷上班路上时间
: 跟4S差不多。
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s******d
发帖数: 2568 | 48 呵呵，还不算每天有免费欣赏的 Mariachi 哦
【在 j****n 的大作中提到】
: 其实North County这边的房子性价比更高，去Downtown San Diego也不算太远，大家可
: 以多考虑这边。
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r****t
发帖数: 10904 | 49 north county 不远？carmel vally 都笑了 三跌个呢人民厉害啊
【在 j****n 的大作中提到】
: 其实North County这边的房子性价比更高，去Downtown San Diego也不算太远，大家可
: 以多考虑这边。
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j****n
发帖数: 3465 | 50 很远吗？从Carlsbad到UCSD30-40分钟，这算很远吗？
【在 r****t 的大作中提到】
: north county 不远？carmel vally 都笑了 三跌个呢人民厉害啊
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s**********o
发帖数: 14359 | 51 RUSH HOUR?
【在 j****n 的大作中提到】
: 很远吗？从Carlsbad到UCSD30-40分钟，这算很远吗？
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r****t
发帖数: 10904 | 52 有车才行吧。
其次 40 * 2 快1.5 hr 了，一周5 天再加一个工作日都在车轮上度过了
【在 j****n 的大作中提到】
: 很远吗？从Carlsbad到UCSD30-40分钟，这算很远吗？
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s**********o
发帖数: 14359 | 53 你们不会在UCSD过一辈子吧？LOL
【在 r****t 的大作中提到】
: 有车才行吧。
: 其次 40 * 2 快1.5 hr 了，一周5 天再加一个工作日都在车轮上度过了
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j****n
发帖数: 3465 | 54 “有车才行”
同学，你是在美国生活吗？
一天commute 1.5hr在加州，尤其是南加难道不是再正常不过的事情吗？
【在 r****t 的大作中提到】
: 有车才行吧。
: 其次 40 * 2 快1.5 hr 了，一周5 天再加一个工作日都在车轮上度过了
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s**********o
发帖数: 14359 | 55 我COMMUTE 50分钟一天，还觉得挺远
【在 j****n 的大作中提到】
: “有车才行”
: 同学，你是在美国生活吗？
: 一天commute 1.5hr在加州，尤其是南加难道不是再正常不过的事情吗？
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r****t
发帖数: 10904 | 56 是，
不是。
南加的人都是机器人吗？
【在 j****n 的大作中提到】
: “有车才行”
: 同学，你是在美国生活吗？
: 一天commute 1.5hr在加州，尤其是南加难道不是再正常不过的事情吗？
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r****t
发帖数: 10904 | 57 是挺远的
【在 s**********o 的大作中提到】
: 我COMMUTE 50分钟一天，还觉得挺远
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r****t
发帖数: 10904 | 58 俺没上个大学。。
【在 s**********o 的大作中提到】
: 你们不会在UCSD过一辈子吧？LOL
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j***i
发帖数: 1278 | 59 不短了，一天30分钟往返差不多
【在 s**********o 的大作中提到】
: 我COMMUTE 50分钟一天，还觉得挺远
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