L***m
发帖数: 4594 | 1 【 以下文字转载自 WaterWorld 讨论区 】
发信人: LAiam (老虎油), 信区: WaterWorld
标 题: 认真问一下： 脸书真有那么好吗？究竟好在哪里？
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Mar 28 22:33:19 2011, 美东)
我咋就不觉得有什么好的？ | m*******i
发帖数: 8711 | | z*******y
发帖数: 578 | 3 先拿到offer以后再说不去 或者说fb不好 呵呵 这样比较有说服力
人家给的钱多 而且potential 也不错
哪里有不好的地方了 | P**********c
发帖数: 3417 | 4 If you have a job that pays better, you certainly wouldn't care about it.
However, most people are not that lucky.
【在 L***m 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 WaterWorld 讨论区 】
: 发信人: LAiam (老虎油), 信区: WaterWorld
: 标 题: 认真问一下： 脸书真有那么好吗？究竟好在哪里？
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Mar 28 22:33:19 2011, 美东)
: 我咋就不觉得有什么好的？
| L***m
发帖数: 4594 | 5 不是不是。我不是说去那里工作，我只是实在想不通这个网站好在啥地方？
【在 z*******y 的大作中提到】
: 先拿到offer以后再说不去 或者说fb不好 呵呵 这样比较有说服力
: 人家给的钱多 而且potential 也不错
: 哪里有不好的地方了
| P**********c
发帖数: 3417 | 6 If you don't get it, you just don't get it. Just move on.
【在 L***m 的大作中提到】
: 不是不是。我不是说去那里工作，我只是实在想不通这个网站好在啥地方？
| L***m
发帖数: 4594 | 7 可能我忽略了什么我不了解的东西，懂行的大家请说说解惑。
【在 P**********c 的大作中提到】
: If you don't get it, you just don't get it. Just move on.
| P**********c
发帖数: 3417 | 8 No there is nothing you don't understand. The whole point of these gadgets
is to attract users without straining them to understand something. If
facebook needed you to study to appreciate, it should have already gone to
the dustbin long ago.
You just don't fall into the kind of people that facebook attracts. It is
not for everyone. Facebook tends to attract younger generations, study shows
. That's not to say you are getting too old to enjoy it. Just an example.
【在 L***m 的大作中提到】
: 可能我忽略了什么我不了解的东西，懂行的大家请说说解惑。
| P*O
发帖数: 4324 | | z***e
发帖数: 5393 | 10 我觉得有了用户就有了一切，想做什么都容易，打个比方说前段时间rumor说fb要出手
机，虽然是谣言，但是它如果真的要做，那很不好预料是个什么情况。我觉得10几年前
web第一轮bubble的时候讲究眼球和点击率，但是没成功，原因是用户量不足，那时候
的网站和网络用户群不足以支撑一个产业。但是从google开始，量变形成了质变，动不
动就是互联网总流量的xx%这种比例，就不能以以前的眼光来看了。
另外从技术上来看，以前我也觉得吹web 2.0/cloud什么的都是浮云，现在觉得这其中
是有点道理的，google/fb/linkedin/etc.这些背后代表的是分布式系统，跟微软/
oracle/etc.为代表的传统软件系统（基本上还是单机模式）在设计和开发上都是有很
大差别的，这就好像intel/amd的cpu,nvidia的GPU也都从追求单个核心的性能转移到了
多核时代一样。而这种转变还正在进行中。
【在 L***m 的大作中提到】
: 可能我忽略了什么我不了解的东西，懂行的大家请说说解惑。
| | | L***m
发帖数: 4594 | 11 my space 不是也有很多用户吗？ 为什么却走向衰落？
【在 z***e 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得有了用户就有了一切，想做什么都容易，打个比方说前段时间rumor说fb要出手
: 机，虽然是谣言，但是它如果真的要做，那很不好预料是个什么情况。我觉得10几年前
: web第一轮bubble的时候讲究眼球和点击率，但是没成功，原因是用户量不足，那时候
: 的网站和网络用户群不足以支撑一个产业。但是从google开始，量变形成了质变，动不
: 动就是互联网总流量的xx%这种比例，就不能以以前的眼光来看了。
: 另外从技术上来看，以前我也觉得吹web 2.0/cloud什么的都是浮云，现在觉得这其中
: 是有点道理的，google/fb/linkedin/etc.这些背后代表的是分布式系统，跟微软/
: oracle/etc.为代表的传统软件系统（基本上还是单机模式）在设计和开发上都是有很
: 大差别的，这就好像intel/amd的cpu,nvidia的GPU也都从追求单个核心的性能转移到了
: 多核时代一样。而这种转变还正在进行中。
| z***e
发帖数: 5393 | 12 doesn't matter, it's still SNS. myspace just didn't do well.
【在 L***m 的大作中提到】
: my space 不是也有很多用户吗？ 为什么却走向衰落？
| i**p
发帖数: 940 | 13 I don't believe FB will succeed in making mobile phones *just* because it
has so many users. Who doesn't have many users? Yahoo, anyone? It is not
only about users, it is also about how users behave and interact on the
platform.
FB is so valuable because:
1. it has (mostly) real identities on the web and their detailed profile,
like sex, birthday, job, location, schools went to, etc. And it even has a
social graph about you.
2. It is viral in the sense that one can broadcast information to "friends"
very easily and very fast. Imagin you just had a baby (or you really like
your ipad or a restaurant). This information may take a month or longer to
reach a so-so friend. In FB, it is a matter of minutes or hours.
3. FB is very innovative and has a visionary founder (like amazon and apple)
. "FB like" is a great example.
4. It truly has network effect, like ebay. This makes it almost unbeatable
in its own business.
Note that 1 and 2 makes a lot of business succeed in a very short period of
time (zynga and groupon for example). As a platform, FB itself will find
many ways to monetize. 3 and 4 makes it almost impossible for competitors to
beat it.
The major risk I see for FB is that its users may slowly get FB fatigue;
When that happens, FB will collapse in a matter of 1-2 years.
Another risk is from "pumping and dumping" consipary theory point of view,
now people are starting to trash the value of social graph. Instead, they
are talking about "interest graph" where twitter and quora may excel.
Another example is the funding of color, where people are talking about "
implicit social network".
【在 z***e 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得有了用户就有了一切，想做什么都容易，打个比方说前段时间rumor说fb要出手
: 机，虽然是谣言，但是它如果真的要做，那很不好预料是个什么情况。我觉得10几年前
: web第一轮bubble的时候讲究眼球和点击率，但是没成功，原因是用户量不足，那时候
: 的网站和网络用户群不足以支撑一个产业。但是从google开始，量变形成了质变，动不
: 动就是互联网总流量的xx%这种比例，就不能以以前的眼光来看了。
: 另外从技术上来看，以前我也觉得吹web 2.0/cloud什么的都是浮云，现在觉得这其中
: 是有点道理的，google/fb/linkedin/etc.这些背后代表的是分布式系统，跟微软/
: oracle/etc.为代表的传统软件系统（基本上还是单机模式）在设计和开发上都是有很
: 大差别的，这就好像intel/amd的cpu,nvidia的GPU也都从追求单个核心的性能转移到了
: 多核时代一样。而这种转变还正在进行中。
| P*****f
发帖数: 2272 | 14 FB不需要一个mobile gadget。他做这个只能是分心。
"
apple)
of
to
出手
年前
时候
动不
其中
有很
到了
【在 i**p 的大作中提到】
: I don't believe FB will succeed in making mobile phones *just* because it
: has so many users. Who doesn't have many users? Yahoo, anyone? It is not
: only about users, it is also about how users behave and interact on the
: platform.
: FB is so valuable because:
: 1. it has (mostly) real identities on the web and their detailed profile,
: like sex, birthday, job, location, schools went to, etc. And it even has a
: social graph about you.
: 2. It is viral in the sense that one can broadcast information to "friends"
: very easily and very fast. Imagin you just had a baby (or you really like
| i**p
发帖数: 940 | 15 I never used myspace, but if I have to guess, I would guess the following
two factors:
1. real identity: FB has mostly real identities, and people don't easily
abandon their real identities. On the other hand, myspace was full of fake
profiles.
2. user experience.
http://www.quora.com/Facebook-1/Why-did-Facebook-succeed-where-
【在 L***m 的大作中提到】
: my space 不是也有很多用户吗？ 为什么却走向衰落？
| m********r
发帖数: 543 | 16
it
not
the
profile,
has a
LOL
http://techcrunch.com/2011/03/21/fcebook-cia-onion/
Facebook “Is Truly A Dream Come True For The CIA
Congressional “testimony” from the deputy CIA director:
After years of secretly monitoring the public, we were astounded so many
people would willingly publicize where they live, their religious and
political views, an alphabetized list of all their friends, personal
emails addresses, phone numbers, hundreds of photos of themselves, and
even status updates about what they were doing moment to moment. It is
truly a dream come true for the CIA.
【在 i**p 的大作中提到】
: I don't believe FB will succeed in making mobile phones *just* because it
: has so many users. Who doesn't have many users? Yahoo, anyone? It is not
: only about users, it is also about how users behave and interact on the
: platform.
: FB is so valuable because:
: 1. it has (mostly) real identities on the web and their detailed profile,
: like sex, birthday, job, location, schools went to, etc. And it even has a
: social graph about you.
: 2. It is viral in the sense that one can broadcast information to "friends"
: very easily and very fast. Imagin you just had a baby (or you really like
| i**p
发帖数: 940 | 17 It is supposed to be a joke, :-).
That said, because people wants to be viewed as awesome, FB profile only
shows what one wants to be shown -- it is a beautified version of the real
person. This is, for example, why I think FB will not succeed in search
market, because no normal person wants to associate her sometimes shady
search queries with FB.
【在 m********r 的大作中提到】
:
: it
: not
: the
: profile,
: has a
: LOL
: http://techcrunch.com/2011/03/21/fcebook-cia-onion/
: Facebook “Is Truly A Dream Come True For The CIA
: Congressional “testimony” from the deputy CIA director:
| P**********c
发帖数: 3417 | 18 Some people said twitter is the new google and facebook is the new Yahoo,
and I think it makes sense. Twitter is more simple, more focused on content.
Facebook has too much going on, difficult to be timeless. Besides, in China
Wei Bo seems to be catching on better than Renren and Kaixin.
"
【在 i**p 的大作中提到】
: I don't believe FB will succeed in making mobile phones *just* because it
: has so many users. Who doesn't have many users? Yahoo, anyone? It is not
: only about users, it is also about how users behave and interact on the
: platform.
: FB is so valuable because:
: 1. it has (mostly) real identities on the web and their detailed profile,
: like sex, birthday, job, location, schools went to, etc. And it even has a
: social graph about you.
: 2. It is viral in the sense that one can broadcast information to "friends"
: very easily and very fast. Imagin you just had a baby (or you really like
| m****n
发帖数: 1104 | 19
shows
说白了，愤青比较好骗
【在 P**********c 的大作中提到】
: No there is nothing you don't understand. The whole point of these gadgets
: is to attract users without straining them to understand something. If
: facebook needed you to study to appreciate, it should have already gone to
: the dustbin long ago.
: You just don't fall into the kind of people that facebook attracts. It is
: not for everyone. Facebook tends to attract younger generations, study shows
: . That's not to say you are getting too old to enjoy it. Just an example.
| w**********k
发帖数: 758 | 20
同意, 设想买卖提+交友8变成了实名制, 而且每个华人都有注册(相对于这么小孩从上
初中起就在fb上混), 每个中餐馆都有注册...这还是有点意思的.
"
【在 i**p 的大作中提到】
: I don't believe FB will succeed in making mobile phones *just* because it
: has so many users. Who doesn't have many users? Yahoo, anyone? It is not
: only about users, it is also about how users behave and interact on the
: platform.
: FB is so valuable because:
: 1. it has (mostly) real identities on the web and their detailed profile,
: like sex, birthday, job, location, schools went to, etc. And it even has a
: social graph about you.
: 2. It is viral in the sense that one can broadcast information to "friends"
: very easily and very fast. Imagin you just had a baby (or you really like
| | | z***e
发帖数: 5393 | 21 yahoo还真没那么多用户．．．
it
not
the
profile,
has
a
"friends"
like
【在 i**p 的大作中提到】
: I don't believe FB will succeed in making mobile phones *just* because it
: has so many users. Who doesn't have many users? Yahoo, anyone? It is not
: only about users, it is also about how users behave and interact on the
: platform.
: FB is so valuable because:
: 1. it has (mostly) real identities on the web and their detailed profile,
: like sex, birthday, job, location, schools went to, etc. And it even has a
: social graph about you.
: 2. It is viral in the sense that one can broadcast information to "friends"
: very easily and very fast. Imagin you just had a baby (or you really like
| t*****9
发帖数: 10416 | 22 Seinfeld "The Pitch"
RUSSELL: How is that a show?
JERRY: Well, uh, maybe something happens on the way to work.
GEORGE: No, no, no. Nothing happens.
RUSSELL: Well, why am I watching it?
GEORGE: Because it's on TV.
RUSSELL: Not yet. | s******m
发帖数: 1154 | 23 好就好在上了脸书后，人就可以不要脸了
只吹嘘自己美好的一面(only show what they want to show)，脸皮薄了不行
暴露或是偷窥别人的隐私，脸皮嫩了不行
互相眉来眼去，打情骂俏，要脸的话能好意思干这事么？ | L***m
发帖数: 4594 | 24 总觉得把自己的隐私，行踪挂在网上怪怪的，也挺傻的。
"
【在 i**p 的大作中提到】
: I don't believe FB will succeed in making mobile phones *just* because it
: has so many users. Who doesn't have many users? Yahoo, anyone? It is not
: only about users, it is also about how users behave and interact on the
: platform.
: FB is so valuable because:
: 1. it has (mostly) real identities on the web and their detailed profile,
: like sex, birthday, job, location, schools went to, etc. And it even has a
: social graph about you.
: 2. It is viral in the sense that one can broadcast information to "friends"
: very easily and very fast. Imagin you just had a baby (or you really like
| r********r
发帖数: 964 | 25 我也不理解，不过我总结湿因为自己老了
【在 L***m 的大作中提到】
: 总觉得把自己的隐私，行踪挂在网上怪怪的，也挺傻的。
:
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| L***m
发帖数: 4594 | 26 不是的，这东西问题很多，比如小偷很容易掌握苦主的行踪。
【在 r********r 的大作中提到】
: 我也不理解，不过我总结湿因为自己老了
| M*****n
发帖数: 2948 | 27 agree.
i only use fb as a contact list.
【在 L***m 的大作中提到】
: 总觉得把自己的隐私，行踪挂在网上怪怪的，也挺傻的。
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