b*******k
发帖数: 16989 | 1 亚裔辛辛苦苦工作纳税，自己的孩子在上大学的时候还要收到不公正对待。
反而非法移民的孩子上学有奖学金拿。我操你妈的，民主党，
我要是在投票给民主党我就是你妈生的。 |
b*******r
发帖数: 6655 | |
r*c
发帖数: 16750 | 3 这就是很多人渴望的民主啊。
民主民主就是比生殖器，生殖器强大的就有话语权。
【在 b*******k 的大作中提到】
: 亚裔辛辛苦苦工作纳税，自己的孩子在上大学的时候还要收到不公正对待。
: 反而非法移民的孩子上学有奖学金拿。我操你妈的，民主党，
: 我要是在投票给民主党我就是你妈生的。
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b********t
发帖数: 8181 | 4 在加州，除了老墨其他的都是非法移民，这儿本来就是人家的，早晚还要还给人家。
【在 b*******k 的大作中提到】
: 亚裔辛辛苦苦工作纳税，自己的孩子在上大学的时候还要收到不公正对待。
: 反而非法移民的孩子上学有奖学金拿。我操你妈的，民主党，
: 我要是在投票给民主党我就是你妈生的。
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a***e
发帖数: 27968 | 5 古板有很多中国人是民主党它妈？
【在 b*******r 的大作中提到】
: 股版有很多中国人正排队等着被你操
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b*******r
发帖数: 6655 | 6 当然，
【在 a***e 的大作中提到】
: 古板有很多中国人是民主党它妈？
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d******o
发帖数: 2489 | 7 E_E
【在 r*c 的大作中提到】
: 这就是很多人渴望的民主啊。
: 民主民主就是比生殖器，生殖器强大的就有话语权。
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g*****8
发帖数: 41 | 8 Such a radical thinking will not do us and our kids any good. California
was part of Mexico. Hispanics is 37% of California population, the average
age of hispanics is 27. The mathematical fact is California will become a
hispanic dominated state in all respects. Given many Chinese only have one
or two kids, such brith rate cannot even keep Chinese population from
declining if immigrants are not counted. The reality is Asian/Chinese will
always be minority. We need to get along well with hispanics. Teaching our
kids Spanish and teaching them to respect hispanics is the least wrong thing
we can do for the future of our kids.
【在 b*******k 的大作中提到】
: 亚裔辛辛苦苦工作纳税，自己的孩子在上大学的时候还要收到不公正对待。
: 反而非法移民的孩子上学有奖学金拿。我操你妈的，民主党，
: 我要是在投票给民主党我就是你妈生的。
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w******y
发帖数: 8040 | 9 才反映过味来?
加州民主党N年前就是狗娘养的
【在 b*******k 的大作中提到】
: 亚裔辛辛苦苦工作纳税，自己的孩子在上大学的时候还要收到不公正对待。
: 反而非法移民的孩子上学有奖学金拿。我操你妈的，民主党，
: 我要是在投票给民主党我就是你妈生的。
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b*******k
发帖数: 16989 | 10 加州如果都是拉美裔做主哪大家还是尽早考虑搬家吧。
拉美裔有几个科学家？有几个有文化的？
will
our
thing
【在 g*****8 的大作中提到】
: Such a radical thinking will not do us and our kids any good. California
: was part of Mexico. Hispanics is 37% of California population, the average
: age of hispanics is 27. The mathematical fact is California will become a
: hispanic dominated state in all respects. Given many Chinese only have one
: or two kids, such brith rate cannot even keep Chinese population from
: declining if immigrants are not counted. The reality is Asian/Chinese will
: always be minority. We need to get along well with hispanics. Teaching our
: kids Spanish and teaching them to respect hispanics is the least wrong thing
: we can do for the future of our kids.
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b********t
发帖数: 8181 | 11 至少有一个大法官，华裔进个第九巡回都进不了。
【在 b*******k 的大作中提到】
: 加州如果都是拉美裔做主哪大家还是尽早考虑搬家吧。
: 拉美裔有几个科学家？有几个有文化的？
:
: will
: our
: thing
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b*******k
发帖数: 16989 | 12 那是因为他们人口多，不是因为他真正有什么法学造诣
【在 b********t 的大作中提到】
: 至少有一个大法官，华裔进个第九巡回都进不了。
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l******c
发帖数: 2555 | 13 illegal immigrants are not problem, legal immigrants are the major problems
in immigration system
What US government should do are:
1. cut the family based immigrants, only young kids(son/daughter) are
allowed to immigrate to USA, parents and other family members should not get
immigrant visa, this is the most important.
2. increase the employment based immigrants, including high skills and low
skills labor, PhD should get the immigrant visa without waiting time.
3 increase the investment immigrants
4 legalize all the illegal immigrants, but they need pay 25% extra tax for
ten years, then apply for Green card
【在 b*******k 的大作中提到】
: 亚裔辛辛苦苦工作纳税，自己的孩子在上大学的时候还要收到不公正对待。
: 反而非法移民的孩子上学有奖学金拿。我操你妈的，民主党，
: 我要是在投票给民主党我就是你妈生的。
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b*******k
发帖数: 16989 | 14 完全赞同你的意见。
problems
get
【在 l******c 的大作中提到】
: illegal immigrants are not problem, legal immigrants are the major problems
: in immigration system
: What US government should do are:
: 1. cut the family based immigrants, only young kids(son/daughter) are
: allowed to immigrate to USA, parents and other family members should not get
: immigrant visa, this is the most important.
: 2. increase the employment based immigrants, including high skills and low
: skills labor, PhD should get the immigrant visa without waiting time.
: 3 increase the investment immigrants
: 4 legalize all the illegal immigrants, but they need pay 25% extra tax for
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l******c
发帖数: 2555 | 15 right now, it is some US citizens, including congress members, take
advantage of the illegal immigrants and pay low salary and do not pay SS and
medicare tax. Illegal immigrants should be used as the low salary labor to
compete with China.
Stop the family based immigrants can stop one illegal immigrant bringing 10+
family members to USA, especially some 65+ years old immigrants to use the
benefits after landing
problems
get
【在 l******c 的大作中提到】
: illegal immigrants are not problem, legal immigrants are the major problems
: in immigration system
: What US government should do are:
: 1. cut the family based immigrants, only young kids(son/daughter) are
: allowed to immigrate to USA, parents and other family members should not get
: immigrant visa, this is the most important.
: 2. increase the employment based immigrants, including high skills and low
: skills labor, PhD should get the immigrant visa without waiting time.
: 3 increase the investment immigrants
: 4 legalize all the illegal immigrants, but they need pay 25% extra tax for
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n******h
发帖数: 2482 | 16 While it could be legitimate to just ban illegal immigrants, there is
absolutely no legal ground for your proposal.
problems
get
【在 l******c 的大作中提到】
: illegal immigrants are not problem, legal immigrants are the major problems
: in immigration system
: What US government should do are:
: 1. cut the family based immigrants, only young kids(son/daughter) are
: allowed to immigrate to USA, parents and other family members should not get
: immigrant visa, this is the most important.
: 2. increase the employment based immigrants, including high skills and low
: skills labor, PhD should get the immigrant visa without waiting time.
: 3 increase the investment immigrants
: 4 legalize all the illegal immigrants, but they need pay 25% extra tax for
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l*********e
发帖数: 7492 | 17 还是希望国内能多移民过来。。
will
our
thing
【在 g*****8 的大作中提到】
: Such a radical thinking will not do us and our kids any good. California
: was part of Mexico. Hispanics is 37% of California population, the average
: age of hispanics is 27. The mathematical fact is California will become a
: hispanic dominated state in all respects. Given many Chinese only have one
: or two kids, such brith rate cannot even keep Chinese population from
: declining if immigrants are not counted. The reality is Asian/Chinese will
: always be minority. We need to get along well with hispanics. Teaching our
: kids Spanish and teaching them to respect hispanics is the least wrong thing
: we can do for the future of our kids.
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l******c
发帖数: 2555 | 18 the most important part in my suggestion is STOP the family based immigrants
this is the biggest problem for USA.
Since this will hurt the interest of the legal immigrants and US citizen,
my proposal will fail for sure, that's one real example of the failure of
the democracy
every politician needs vote, they have no way to take actions that will
benefit the long term future of the States.
My another suggestion is the new born baby can not get the citizenship
automatically, their status is same as their mother.
【在 n******h 的大作中提到】
: While it could be legitimate to just ban illegal immigrants, there is
: absolutely no legal ground for your proposal.
:
: problems
: get
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r*c
发帖数: 16750 | 19 你这放没用的。
你有选票么？
immigrants
【在 l******c 的大作中提到】
: the most important part in my suggestion is STOP the family based immigrants
: this is the biggest problem for USA.
: Since this will hurt the interest of the legal immigrants and US citizen,
: my proposal will fail for sure, that's one real example of the failure of
: the democracy
: every politician needs vote, they have no way to take actions that will
: benefit the long term future of the States.
: My another suggestion is the new born baby can not get the citizenship
: automatically, their status is same as their mother.
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g*****8
发帖数: 41 | 20 Wishful thinking period.
immigrants
【在 l******c 的大作中提到】
: the most important part in my suggestion is STOP the family based immigrants
: this is the biggest problem for USA.
: Since this will hurt the interest of the legal immigrants and US citizen,
: my proposal will fail for sure, that's one real example of the failure of
: the democracy
: every politician needs vote, they have no way to take actions that will
: benefit the long term future of the States.
: My another suggestion is the new born baby can not get the citizenship
: automatically, their status is same as their mother.
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M*******c
发帖数: 4371 | 21 "legalize all the illegal immigrants, but they need pay 25% extra tax for
ten years, then apply for Green card
"
They have no income.They will happily agree on 25% tax.
problems
get
【在 l******c 的大作中提到】
: illegal immigrants are not problem, legal immigrants are the major problems
: in immigration system
: What US government should do are:
: 1. cut the family based immigrants, only young kids(son/daughter) are
: allowed to immigrate to USA, parents and other family members should not get
: immigrant visa, this is the most important.
: 2. increase the employment based immigrants, including high skills and low
: skills labor, PhD should get the immigrant visa without waiting time.
: 3 increase the investment immigrants
: 4 legalize all the illegal immigrants, but they need pay 25% extra tax for
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g*****8
发帖数: 41 | 22 I found some speech in this bbs is very dangerous and racist. We cannot
afford it, it will backfire on us. |
M*******c
发帖数: 4371 | 23 say say?
那就用中文吧
【在 g*****8 的大作中提到】
: I found some speech in this bbs is very dangerous and racist. We cannot
: afford it, it will backfire on us.
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s******k
发帖数: 1149 | 24 别这么没文化了，要还也是还给native americans，老墨也是后来的殖民者，还是个
loser。
【在 b********t 的大作中提到】
: 在加州，除了老墨其他的都是非法移民，这儿本来就是人家的，早晚还要还给人家。
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s******k
发帖数: 1149 | 25 你这个跟纳粹集中营的区别是什么?
problems
get
【在 l******c 的大作中提到】
: illegal immigrants are not problem, legal immigrants are the major problems
: in immigration system
: What US government should do are:
: 1. cut the family based immigrants, only young kids(son/daughter) are
: allowed to immigrate to USA, parents and other family members should not get
: immigrant visa, this is the most important.
: 2. increase the employment based immigrants, including high skills and low
: skills labor, PhD should get the immigrant visa without waiting time.
: 3 increase the investment immigrants
: 4 legalize all the illegal immigrants, but they need pay 25% extra tax for
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M*******c
发帖数: 4371 | 26 hand hand
【在 s******k 的大作中提到】
: 别这么没文化了，要还也是还给native americans，老墨也是后来的殖民者，还是个
: loser。
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n******h
发帖数: 2482 | 27 There is zero chance to ban family-based immigrants as it's against basic
human values in this country.
Democracy can't solve all problems. It's actually in short in many aspects
especially when it comes to public interests. Yet it's still light-years
better than any dictator system and I would prefer it over any other
existing systems on any day. Note although US has a great amount democracy
in its system, it's not a Democracy country. It's a Republic.
There is zero chance to abolish US-born citizenship law as it's firmly
written into the constitution. Changing constitution is only possible in
theory in this country, but practically virtually impossible.
immigrants
【在 l******c 的大作中提到】
: the most important part in my suggestion is STOP the family based immigrants
: this is the biggest problem for USA.
: Since this will hurt the interest of the legal immigrants and US citizen,
: my proposal will fail for sure, that's one real example of the failure of
: the democracy
: every politician needs vote, they have no way to take actions that will
: benefit the long term future of the States.
: My another suggestion is the new born baby can not get the citizenship
: automatically, their status is same as their mother.
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M*******c
发帖数: 4371 | 28 "There is zero chance to abolish US-born citizenship law as it's firmly
written into the constitution. Changing constitution is only possible in
theory in this country, but practically virtually impossible."
不是说,这个是误解?
illegal immigrants are not subject of the US law, thus their children are
not supposed to be US citizen.
Referring to the children of the diplomats.
【在 n******h 的大作中提到】
: There is zero chance to ban family-based immigrants as it's against basic
: human values in this country.
: Democracy can't solve all problems. It's actually in short in many aspects
: especially when it comes to public interests. Yet it's still light-years
: better than any dictator system and I would prefer it over any other
: existing systems on any day. Note although US has a great amount democracy
: in its system, it's not a Democracy country. It's a Republic.
: There is zero chance to abolish US-born citizenship law as it's firmly
: written into the constitution. Changing constitution is only possible in
: theory in this country, but practically virtually impossible.
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g*****8
发帖数: 41 | 29 Define public interests. The interests of 37% population is not public
interests? I believe you want to say "The long term interests of the state
or the country" which is probably not the same as the current public
interests.
Democracy is always short sight because, by its nature, it's dominated by
the interests of the current population.
【在 n******h 的大作中提到】
: There is zero chance to ban family-based immigrants as it's against basic
: human values in this country.
: Democracy can't solve all problems. It's actually in short in many aspects
: especially when it comes to public interests. Yet it's still light-years
: better than any dictator system and I would prefer it over any other
: existing systems on any day. Note although US has a great amount democracy
: in its system, it's not a Democracy country. It's a Republic.
: There is zero chance to abolish US-born citizenship law as it's firmly
: written into the constitution. Changing constitution is only possible in
: theory in this country, but practically virtually impossible.
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i******s
发帖数: 8734 | 30 你都能投票了？
够快的
【在 b*******k 的大作中提到】
: 亚裔辛辛苦苦工作纳税，自己的孩子在上大学的时候还要收到不公正对待。
: 反而非法移民的孩子上学有奖学金拿。我操你妈的，民主党，
: 我要是在投票给民主党我就是你妈生的。
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d******o
发帖数: 2489 | 31 To the OP:
I can understand your emotional response to such topics, but the thread
title is leaning towards being offensive.
The thread title has been modified.
Please refrain from using such procacious words on SF Board.
Regards
【在 b*******k 的大作中提到】
: 亚裔辛辛苦苦工作纳税，自己的孩子在上大学的时候还要收到不公正对待。
: 反而非法移民的孩子上学有奖学金拿。我操你妈的，民主党，
: 我要是在投票给民主党我就是你妈生的。
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M*******c
发帖数: 4371 | 32 你得到了
37%的人口的利益不能维护. 但是1%或者更少的人口的利益要最大化.
state
【在 g*****8 的大作中提到】
: Define public interests. The interests of 37% population is not public
: interests? I believe you want to say "The long term interests of the state
: or the country" which is probably not the same as the current public
: interests.
: Democracy is always short sight because, by its nature, it's dominated by
: the interests of the current population.
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n******h
发帖数: 2482 | 33 Fair enough. Public interests here really refers to long term interests for
everyone. A classic example is the free-rider problem.
Democracy does not always fall short. It often falls short for sure, but it'
s still better than anything else. Nothing is perfect, but we've got to pick
what works best.
state
【在 g*****8 的大作中提到】
: Define public interests. The interests of 37% population is not public
: interests? I believe you want to say "The long term interests of the state
: or the country" which is probably not the same as the current public
: interests.
: Democracy is always short sight because, by its nature, it's dominated by
: the interests of the current population.
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l******c
发帖数: 2555 | 34 after legalization, their income is same as other us citizens, they'd like
to pay tax to get green card.
Right now, it is the employers who take advantage of them. It is some us
citizens who steal the tax, not the illegal immigrants.
【在 M*******c 的大作中提到】
: "legalize all the illegal immigrants, but they need pay 25% extra tax for
: ten years, then apply for Green card
: "
: They have no income.They will happily agree on 25% tax.
:
: problems
: get
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l******c
发帖数: 2555 | 35 In this world, only USA has this situation:
family based immigrants take 90% immigrants visa.
All other developed countries have different law, like canada, australia,
japan, ...etc
【在 s******k 的大作中提到】
: 你这个跟纳粹集中营的区别是什么?
:
: problems
: get
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M*******c
发帖数: 4371 | 36 1, 他们愿意工作吗?
2, 他们工作收入达到税收标准了吗?
3, 即使他们合法了,他们仍然可以不汇报收入
【在 l******c 的大作中提到】
: after legalization, their income is same as other us citizens, they'd like
: to pay tax to get green card.
: Right now, it is the employers who take advantage of them. It is some us
: citizens who steal the tax, not the illegal immigrants.
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g*****8
发帖数: 41 | 37 I'm not going to argue which definition of public interests is correct.
There is no answer.
I agree your says on Democracy. My view and many others too is
"Democracy is the least worse political system in human civilization"
In many cases, it can't pick up the best one, but it picks up the least
worse one. I find many things can be explained by this thinking.
for
it'
pick
【在 n******h 的大作中提到】
: Fair enough. Public interests here really refers to long term interests for
: everyone. A classic example is the free-rider problem.
: Democracy does not always fall short. It often falls short for sure, but it'
: s still better than anything else. Nothing is perfect, but we've got to pick
: what works best.
:
: state
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g*****8
发帖数: 41 | 38 speculation is impossible to verify. The opposite of your speculation can
also be true.
【在 M*******c 的大作中提到】
: 1, 他们愿意工作吗?
: 2, 他们工作收入达到税收标准了吗?
: 3, 即使他们合法了,他们仍然可以不汇报收入
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l******c
发帖数: 2555 | 39 they are not green card holder or citizen, they have to pay 25% income ten
years as the condition to apply for green card.
for those cannot work, deport immediately.
Here the questions are some us citizens are against these rules for various
reasons.
【在 M*******c 的大作中提到】
: 1, 他们愿意工作吗?
: 2, 他们工作收入达到税收标准了吗?
: 3, 即使他们合法了,他们仍然可以不汇报收入
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B******e
发帖数: 5730 | 40 老中这么做就可以接受吗？
【在 M*******c 的大作中提到】
: 1, 他们愿意工作吗?
: 2, 他们工作收入达到税收标准了吗?
: 3, 即使他们合法了,他们仍然可以不汇报收入
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E*****w
发帖数: 1822 | 41 他们能少吃点政府救济就不错了
不用寄希望给这个族群多交税了
【在 M*******c 的大作中提到】
: "legalize all the illegal immigrants, but they need pay 25% extra tax for
: ten years, then apply for Green card
: "
: They have no income.They will happily agree on 25% tax.
:
: problems
: get
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e*****e
发帖数: 430 | 42 同操.把民主党的妈给操烂.
【在 b*******k 的大作中提到】
: 亚裔辛辛苦苦工作纳税，自己的孩子在上大学的时候还要收到不公正对待。
: 反而非法移民的孩子上学有奖学金拿。我操你妈的，民主党，
: 我要是在投票给民主党我就是你妈生的。
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