e**o
发帖数: 73 | | p*******r
发帖数: 658 | | e**o
发帖数: 73 | 3 Why? Many online review favor yamaha. I like Kawai too, but I do not play
and am not sure if my judgement is off.
【在 p*******r 的大作中提到】
: personally prefer Kawai
| m**********n
发帖数: 1271 | 4 Yamaha 比较popular，认识老中都是买yamaha, 还都是5300 u1 | e**o
发帖数: 73 | 5 I'd like to under stand why?
【在 m**********n 的大作中提到】
: Yamaha 比较popular，认识老中都是买yamaha, 还都是5300 u1
| e**o
发帖数: 73 | 6 Is yamaha u1 equivalent to Kawai k3? Can ppl still get 5300 price? What is
the usual retail price? How much difference can group buy gain?
Also, is u3 similar to k5?
【在 m**********n 的大作中提到】
: Yamaha 比较popular，认识老中都是买yamaha, 还都是5300 u1
| m**********n
发帖数: 1271 | 7 好多是钢琴老师推荐的
【在 e**o 的大作中提到】
: I'd like to under stand why?
| p*******r
发帖数: 658 | 8 Kawai's tone color is slightly warmer than Yamaha in general.
If it's for a beginner, it actually doesn't matter unless you're a very
serious learner.
No matter which one you pick, you should always try out the instrument
before purchase it!! every piano is different, you can't tell whether it's a
good one or not before trying it. As a pianist myself, I do NOT recommend
group purchase.
【在 e**o 的大作中提到】
: Why? Many online review favor yamaha. I like Kawai too, but I do not play
: and am not sure if my judgement is off.
| p*******r
发帖数: 658 | 9 yes, U1 is about the same size as K3, and U3 is about the same size as K5.
for beginner, U1/K3 is pretty enough.
【在 e**o 的大作中提到】
: Is yamaha u1 equivalent to Kawai k3? Can ppl still get 5300 price? What is
: the usual retail price? How much difference can group buy gain?
: Also, is u3 similar to k5?
| n****l
发帖数: 6652 | 10 差不多，有点像camery和accord.
yamaha的音质发脆，kawai柔和一些。俺买的是kawai.
【在 e**o 的大作中提到】
: Which is better?
| | | o**p
发帖数: 199 | 11 My kid piano teacher has both, not much difference. | m***h
发帖数: 489 | 12 但很多人都是初学者买钢琴。自己都还不会弹，如何去试钢琴？ 只能团购。
a
【在 p*******r 的大作中提到】
: Kawai's tone color is slightly warmer than Yamaha in general.
: If it's for a beginner, it actually doesn't matter unless you're a very
: serious learner.
: No matter which one you pick, you should always try out the instrument
: before purchase it!! every piano is different, you can't tell whether it's a
: good one or not before trying it. As a pianist myself, I do NOT recommend
: group purchase.
| F*********e
发帖数: 1765 | 13 我还以为你们讨论摩托车呢。
Yamaha 还是 Kawasaki | e**o
发帖数: 73 | 14 I am quite serious.
It's great to find someone who plays and knows pianos. I like kawai's warm
tone too. Do you know si 15 model? My concer is it is small 45inch. Inside
it should be comparable to a k5. How much difference will the height make
comparing with a 48 or 52 inch piano in a home setting?
【在 p*******r 的大作中提到】
: yes, U1 is about the same size as K3, and U3 is about the same size as K5.
: for beginner, U1/K3 is pretty enough.
| c*****v
发帖数: 1440 | 15 Yamaha and Kawai has quite different personality.
Yamaha in general sounds brighter than Kawai. It is very good for popular
music and band as it needs to stand out among those loud gittars and drums.However, people play classical music always complain about "metal" noise.
Kawai is warmer and gentle in tune (no metal noise) so it is good for classical music in general.
You dont see many classic music concert using Yamaha. Steinway is always the
first choice for this type of concert (as money is not the problem for a
concert hall, or Steinway provide for free as sponsor). You will see
sometimes Kawai is used. You will see very few use Yamaha for classical.
Yamaha is quite durable with less maintaince so it has better resale value
for broader market. That's why you see a lot of people buys it.It is just
like dfbb and Cadillac.
If you are serious about playing music and money is not the problem, get
Steinway instead. Otherwise, both are fine. | c*****v
发帖数: 1440 | 16 Just follows the last post:
If you are serious and money is not problem AND space is not problem, alway
get a grand, even it is baby grand rather than U3. I remember yamaha baby grand cost not much higher than U3 | p*******r
发帖数: 658 | 17 it's Steinway. :)
Yamaha's concert grand is not bad, many international piano competitions do
use Yamaha, (they usually let the candidates choose which one they wanna use
) if you do notice the International Chopin Piano Competition in Warsaw, you
'll see they have 4 choices for the candidates: Steinway & Sons, Yamaha,
Kawai & Fazioli. And as I remember, the 1st prize winner of 2010 the Russian
pianist Yulianna did use Yamaha throughout the whole competition even in
the prize winner's concert.
Plus, Steinway has two lines, one made in the States, one from Germany. The
line from Germany is a lot better than the line in the States.
. Kawai is warmer and gentle in tune so it is good for classical music in
general.
the
【在 c*****v 的大作中提到】
: Yamaha and Kawai has quite different personality.
: Yamaha in general sounds brighter than Kawai. It is very good for popular
: music and band as it needs to stand out among those loud gittars and drums.However, people play classical music always complain about "metal" noise.
: Kawai is warmer and gentle in tune (no metal noise) so it is good for classical music in general.
: You dont see many classic music concert using Yamaha. Steinway is always the
: first choice for this type of concert (as money is not the problem for a
: concert hall, or Steinway provide for free as sponsor). You will see
: sometimes Kawai is used. You will see very few use Yamaha for classical.
: Yamaha is quite durable with less maintaince so it has better resale value
: for broader market. That's why you see a lot of people buys it.It is just
| c*****v
发帖数: 1440 | 18 I also should add one more comment:
Old U1 made in japan are very good quality. Recently Yamaha try to reduce
cost and offset the rising price of wood, it uses more and more engineering
wood and plastics. More pianos were made in chinese assembly lines.
Therefore, yamaha can produce enouogh new U1 at even lower price. I bought a
U1 at similar price as today 10 year ago. It will affect the used piano
market. | c*****v
发帖数: 1440 | 19 Thanks for correction.
do
use
you
Russian
The
【在 p*******r 的大作中提到】
: it's Steinway. :)
: Yamaha's concert grand is not bad, many international piano competitions do
: use Yamaha, (they usually let the candidates choose which one they wanna use
: ) if you do notice the International Chopin Piano Competition in Warsaw, you
: 'll see they have 4 choices for the candidates: Steinway & Sons, Yamaha,
: Kawai & Fazioli. And as I remember, the 1st prize winner of 2010 the Russian
: pianist Yulianna did use Yamaha throughout the whole competition even in
: the prize winner's concert.
: Plus, Steinway has two lines, one made in the States, one from Germany. The
: line from Germany is a lot better than the line in the States.
| p*******r
发帖数: 658 | 20 45inch might be slightly too small. For beginners, probably it's still okay,
but once you reach certain level, let's say up to level 5~6 (CM system) or
level 4~5(ABRSM system, you may want a taller one which the sound board is
bigger and project the sound better.
Set your piano in a room(not living room) with carpet, the acoustic is
better (for practice purpose).
【在 e**o 的大作中提到】
: I am quite serious.
: It's great to find someone who plays and knows pianos. I like kawai's warm
: tone too. Do you know si 15 model? My concer is it is small 45inch. Inside
: it should be comparable to a k5. How much difference will the height make
: comparing with a 48 or 52 inch piano in a home setting?
| | | e**o
发帖数: 73 | 21 I should have stated this more clearly, this is for my 4 yr old, and she is serious learner and i am a serious mom. At
what age will a normal
person reach these levels you mentioned? I do not see my daughter going to
be a professional musician, in this case how long will this piano last to
meet her need? Is it a good idea to trade to a better piano later when she really needs one? Almost all dealers offer
such trade up.
For us money and space is issue now -- we will not go with grand piano, but
really appreciate valuable inputs from both of you.
We will have to set the piano in living room with carpet, our bedrooms have
no carpet. The reason we are interested in si 15 is that we ran into such a
model with matching color and style to our living room -- where we planed to put the
piano. We also learned this model has better hammer than k2/k3. But my
concern is the 45in size. Any comment?
okay,
or
【在 p*******r 的大作中提到】
: 45inch might be slightly too small. For beginners, probably it's still okay,
: but once you reach certain level, let's say up to level 5~6 (CM system) or
: level 4~5(ABRSM system, you may want a taller one which the sound board is
: bigger and project the sound better.
: Set your piano in a room(not living room) with carpet, the acoustic is
: better (for practice purpose).
| e**o
发帖数: 73 | 22 Really appreciate your input. Steinway is absolutely beautiful, we hope we
can reach that level in the future. :-)
As a non player myself, shopping in piano shop makes me appreciate all the
subtle differences between each piano.
.However, people play classical music always complain about "metal" noise.
classical music in general.
the
【在 c*****v 的大作中提到】
: Yamaha and Kawai has quite different personality.
: Yamaha in general sounds brighter than Kawai. It is very good for popular
: music and band as it needs to stand out among those loud gittars and drums.However, people play classical music always complain about "metal" noise.
: Kawai is warmer and gentle in tune (no metal noise) so it is good for classical music in general.
: You dont see many classic music concert using Yamaha. Steinway is always the
: first choice for this type of concert (as money is not the problem for a
: concert hall, or Steinway provide for free as sponsor). You will see
: sometimes Kawai is used. You will see very few use Yamaha for classical.
: Yamaha is quite durable with less maintaince so it has better resale value
: for broader market. That's why you see a lot of people buys it.It is just
| c*****v
发帖数: 1440 | 23 Well, as far as i know, there are two types of parents and two outcomes from
young players. I am not talking about very talented young player who will
become pro.
Some parents has high expectations and wish their kids be good in
competitions. Some people just dont care and just want to follow everybody
else.
Some kids (very few) really enjoy playing and has the motivation.
Some just do what parents want them to do (most are even worse)
You will soon be struggle and find out which type of parents you are and
which type of kids you have.
if both are second type, it is a good choice to pick a piano that matches
the room. Most likely it will end up as a piece of furniture anyway.
However, if both are first type, picking a good piece of tool is important
than a piece of furniture.
For other type of combination, good luck, time will tell.
Well, >90% the piano will end up as a piece of furniture. Yamaha U1 is a
very good piece. The black color basically matches every type of room you put it in, not other color.
【在 e**o 的大作中提到】
: Really appreciate your input. Steinway is absolutely beautiful, we hope we
: can reach that level in the future. :-)
: As a non player myself, shopping in piano shop makes me appreciate all the
: subtle differences between each piano.
:
: .However, people play classical music always complain about "metal" noise.
: classical music in general.
: the
| e**o
发帖数: 73 | 24 Thanks for the candid comment. :D
I think i'm a high expectation mom with a motivated child, but I haven't
imagining my child going through competitions. And honestly, i have no clue
how long her motivation will last, she's only 4 now. Actually, I'm not
imagining she take piano as profession. Si 15 is nice not because it is a
good furniture, I did appreciate the sound difference when compare with a k3
, well, with my not trained ears. And it fits my budget better comparing
with a k5. Well, we could stretch for a k5 if needed. There are very good upright pianos in 30k price range, but I can
not afford that now.
Do you mean si 15 is not a good instrument, but more serves as a furniture?
from
【在 c*****v 的大作中提到】
: Well, as far as i know, there are two types of parents and two outcomes from
: young players. I am not talking about very talented young player who will
: become pro.
: Some parents has high expectations and wish their kids be good in
: competitions. Some people just dont care and just want to follow everybody
: else.
: Some kids (very few) really enjoy playing and has the motivation.
: Some just do what parents want them to do (most are even worse)
: You will soon be struggle and find out which type of parents you are and
: which type of kids you have.
| m**********n
发帖数: 1271 | 25 你可以考虑rent-to-buy
clue
k3
upright pianos in 30k price range, but I can
【在 e**o 的大作中提到】
: Thanks for the candid comment. :D
: I think i'm a high expectation mom with a motivated child, but I haven't
: imagining my child going through competitions. And honestly, i have no clue
: how long her motivation will last, she's only 4 now. Actually, I'm not
: imagining she take piano as profession. Si 15 is nice not because it is a
: good furniture, I did appreciate the sound difference when compare with a k3
: , well, with my not trained ears. And it fits my budget better comparing
: with a k5. Well, we could stretch for a k5 if needed. There are very good upright pianos in 30k price range, but I can
: not afford that now.
: Do you mean si 15 is not a good instrument, but more serves as a furniture?
| c*****v
发帖数: 1440 | 26 s series is designed as a piece of furniture first, music instrument second.
If you want to go with the music instrument first, pick K series, or yamaha
U series. it will end up being a much better piece of furniture than s series, trust me. Why? because it gives a strong impression that can produce great music from a good player.
If you have the budget of 10K (not even 30K) go with any grand, new or used,
as long as you have a room for it. | c*****v
发帖数: 1440 | 27 As far as I know, Yamaha U series requires much less maintaince and quality
is more consistant.
That is why a lot of people buy U1.
You will end up with no trouble with group purchase without asking people/
friends help picking one. All just sounds very much the same. Picking a piano with "good sound" is very subjective.
I dont know anything about the consistancy of kawai. | p*******r
发帖数: 658 | 28 The ABRSM Grade4~5/CM Grade5~6 is about intermediate level. In general, it
takes about 4~5 yrs to reach those levels, however, every kid is different,
some might take longer, some might less, it depends. (for your reference,
Beenthoven's "Fur Elise" is about intermediate level)
If you plan to trade in in future, Yamaha has better trade in value. Kawai
is not as stable as Yamaha in long term(let's say after 10 or even 20 yrs).
If you have limited budget, you can consider used Yamaha, some of them are
in very solid condition. If possible, ask your piano teacher to pick one for
you.
is serious learner and i am a serious mom. At
really needs one? Almost all dealers offer
but
have
a
【在 e**o 的大作中提到】
: I should have stated this more clearly, this is for my 4 yr old, and she is serious learner and i am a serious mom. At
: what age will a normal
: person reach these levels you mentioned? I do not see my daughter going to
: be a professional musician, in this case how long will this piano last to
: meet her need? Is it a good idea to trade to a better piano later when she really needs one? Almost all dealers offer
: such trade up.
: For us money and space is issue now -- we will not go with grand piano, but
: really appreciate valuable inputs from both of you.
: We will have to set the piano in living room with carpet, our bedrooms have
: no carpet. The reason we are interested in si 15 is that we ran into such a
| e**o
发帖数: 73 | 29 Thanks. That gives me a rough idea how long this instrument may last.
As for trade up, many piano stores offer to trade up with the original
purchase price, so I guess holding value is not too much of a concern. In 4-
5 yrs, I will know whether we need to trade up, or this piano will be come a
furniture. :-)
,
.
for
【在 p*******r 的大作中提到】
: The ABRSM Grade4~5/CM Grade5~6 is about intermediate level. In general, it
: takes about 4~5 yrs to reach those levels, however, every kid is different,
: some might take longer, some might less, it depends. (for your reference,
: Beenthoven's "Fur Elise" is about intermediate level)
: If you plan to trade in in future, Yamaha has better trade in value. Kawai
: is not as stable as Yamaha in long term(let's say after 10 or even 20 yrs).
: If you have limited budget, you can consider used Yamaha, some of them are
: in very solid condition. If possible, ask your piano teacher to pick one for
: you.
:
| f*******n
发帖数: 70 | 30 This is good discussion.
Pianistsr, in your opinion, what ABRSM level is U1 and U3 able to support?
How about K3 and K5?
,
.
for
【在 p*******r 的大作中提到】
: The ABRSM Grade4~5/CM Grade5~6 is about intermediate level. In general, it
: takes about 4~5 yrs to reach those levels, however, every kid is different,
: some might take longer, some might less, it depends. (for your reference,
: Beenthoven's "Fur Elise" is about intermediate level)
: If you plan to trade in in future, Yamaha has better trade in value. Kawai
: is not as stable as Yamaha in long term(let's say after 10 or even 20 yrs).
: If you have limited budget, you can consider used Yamaha, some of them are
: in very solid condition. If possible, ask your piano teacher to pick one for
: you.
:
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