c**l
发帖数: 9003 | 1 根据 bruce123 以前的一个survey, 只有30%支持游行的人会实际show up。那剩下的70
%人如何表达呢？
刚在乒乓球版讨论一下是不是该推迟一场重要比赛来给游行让路。一直在想如何让想参
加又有各种原因无法到场的人最大程度/最过瘾的参与呢？
一件主题T恤应该是很好的载体。设想一下，同一天大家穿着同样的T恤出现在全国各地
、餐馆、商店、大街、球馆。。。遍地开花，是不是相当于每个人都直接或者间接参加
了游行？
具体的，T恤的设计：
1，图案统一，颜色各(城市？)地自选
2，主题图案要有一定的抽象来兼容不同的诉求，比如，不出现JK和ABC字样
3，主题要有一定的政治高度，既有纪念意义，也适合将来参加其他维权活动
是不是已经有设计了？拿出来晒晒吧，抓紧时间。 |
l********k
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l********k
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o**********e
发帖数: 18403 | 4 I like this cute panda. Where could I get it?
Some suggestions:
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Military/40545691.html
China + US = 1/2 World Peace
China + US = Win + Win
This is the most non-confrontational line of thoughts and target the blame-
China-rhetoric that's permeates the US media and precipitated the kid's
comment on Kimmel's show (he asked about China's debt, picking China out for
special attention though China actually owns a tiny part of US government
obligation).
A little more confrontational would be:
2-faced Iron Man: half Chinese and half blame-Chinese-for-everything.
Chinese boycott hipocrite/racist Disney
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Military/40554303.html |
c**l
发帖数: 9003 | 5 哈哈，这个很赞
【在 l********k 的大作中提到】
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c**l
发帖数: 9003 | 6 我喜欢 China + US = 1/2 World Peace，怎么个说法？
for
【在 o**********e 的大作中提到】
: I like this cute panda. Where could I get it?
: Some suggestions:
: http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Military/40545691.html
: China + US = 1/2 World Peace
: China + US = Win + Win
: This is the most non-confrontational line of thoughts and target the blame-
: China-rhetoric that's permeates the US media and precipitated the kid's
: comment on Kimmel's show (he asked about China's debt, picking China out for
: special attention though China actually owns a tiny part of US government
: obligation).
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o**********e
发帖数: 18403 | 7 That is a hard slogan to yell out. But good for T-shirt slogan. |
o**********e
发帖数: 18403 | 8 Who designed the graphics? Is it free for use? Where do I get that cute t-
shirt? |
c**l
发帖数: 9003 | 9 先别急，看看所有备选方案，尽量做到全国统一。
t-
【在 o**********e 的大作中提到】
: Who designed the graphics? Is it free for use? Where do I get that cute t-
: shirt?
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o**********e
发帖数: 18403 | 10 I think more choices are great. Not too confrontational is good, because
it's hard to wear confrontational messages around every day.
Also makes good gifts to elected officials who voiced their support and
other friends and allies. Over all, a pretty shirt is a fashion statement
you want people to be happy wearing them around.
So I like the t-shirts a lot. |
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c**l
发帖数: 9003 | 11 是的。
如果能让那些不是很赞同咱们的也对t-shirt 爱不释手就好了。
【在 o**********e 的大作中提到】
: I think more choices are great. Not too confrontational is good, because
: it's hard to wear confrontational messages around every day.
: Also makes good gifts to elected officials who voiced their support and
: other friends and allies. Over all, a pretty shirt is a fashion statement
: you want people to be happy wearing them around.
: So I like the t-shirts a lot.
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o**********e
发帖数: 18403 | 12 Exactly, we are taking a page from Disney and Hello Kitty and Pokemon. We
want to win the hearts, the minds as well as the moral high ground (which we
already have). |
p*****t
发帖数: 417 | 13 这个熊猫体恤超级赞，愿意捐钱，免费送给游行的时候帮我们白宫请愿签字，支持我们
的路人。
we
【在 o**********e 的大作中提到】
: Exactly, we are taking a page from Disney and Hello Kitty and Pokemon. We
: want to win the hearts, the minds as well as the moral high ground (which we
: already have).
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o**********e
发帖数: 18403 | 14 Panda bear t-shirt needs to be changed to "Black, White, Chinese" and panda
pics need to be royalty free black and white image.
We could also make bumper stickers to decorate our cars. Again non-
confrontational cute images are preferred over confrontational images.
But requires "China" or "Chinese" in it.
This way this shirt could be used for future civil rights movement for
Chinese-americans. |
c**l
发帖数: 9003 | 15 还有一个思路是，前两天有人争论传统价值观，提出了仁义礼智信的现实意义。不是有
人担心identity crisis吗？咱们就拿仁、义、礼、智、信做底子，上面再加点儿时效
性的小touch。
【在 p*****t 的大作中提到】
: 这个熊猫体恤超级赞，愿意捐钱，免费送给游行的时候帮我们白宫请愿签字，支持我们
: 的路人。
:
: we
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p*****t
发帖数: 417 | 16 也很好，但是觉得熊猫是最有代表意义最能被大家接受的。取义也非常好。能一炮打响
。中国元素个人觉得要慢慢来。当然可以大部分熊猫，小部分仁义礼智信。
【在 c**l 的大作中提到】
: 还有一个思路是，前两天有人争论传统价值观，提出了仁义礼智信的现实意义。不是有
: 人担心identity crisis吗？咱们就拿仁、义、礼、智、信做底子，上面再加点儿时效
: 性的小touch。
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c**l
发帖数: 9003 | 17 很多老美会以为是日语，呵呵，说明咱们有多低调。
如果用的话考虑多用英语，比如那些小字。
跟天天联系上了，他说有专门的team在琢磨这个，大伙该商量还接着商量，人多力量大。
【在 p*****t 的大作中提到】
: 也很好，但是觉得熊猫是最有代表意义最能被大家接受的。取义也非常好。能一炮打响
: 。中国元素个人觉得要慢慢来。当然可以大部分熊猫，小部分仁义礼智信。
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p*****t
发帖数: 417 | 18 得赶快啊， 有啥统一筹款账户，赶快贴出来，粮草先行啊。
大。
【在 c**l 的大作中提到】
: 很多老美会以为是日语，呵呵，说明咱们有多低调。
: 如果用的话考虑多用英语，比如那些小字。
: 跟天天联系上了，他说有专门的team在琢磨这个，大伙该商量还接着商量，人多力量大。
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l**t
发帖数: 10440 | 19 赞粮草先行,lol
【在 p*****t 的大作中提到】
: 得赶快啊， 有啥统一筹款账户，赶快贴出来，粮草先行啊。
:
: 大。
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o**********e
发帖数: 18403 | 20 T-shirt 1:
The front could be: I am Black, White and Chinese (panda graphics)
The back slogan could be: Partner in Peace (peace graphics)
or "Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness" (American flag graphics)
T-shirt 2:
The front could be: Globe map with China and USA, a green ribbon with peace
dove connecting the two
The back (or front slogan) could be: USA + China = 1/2 World Peace.
or Partner in Peace (peace graphics)
or "Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness"
or "Live and Let Live"
or "USA + China = Win-Win Future"
In Chinese: 和平， 仁义， 诚信， 互利, 互助, 团结 都好。 Prefer Simple
patterns over complex patterns. Mono color > 3 colors > 5 colors.
These are the least confrontational designs and easiest to understand.
T－shirt 3: 搞笑的。
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Military/40561743.html
加个熊猫上去 就很明白我们是谁了。 |
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k****m
发帖数: 4670 | 21 不知道，那3个圆圈算不算侵犯迪士尼的版权？突然间意识到，如果是白衬衫，红圆圈
，那是不是日本国旗？ |
c**l
发帖数: 9003 | 22 中国元素有两种，一是为主流所抗拒和排斥的，比如意识形态的那些东西。一是为主流
所拥抱和钦羡的，比如传统文化的这些东西。汉字书法+仁义礼智信+泼墨山水基本上是
无敌的。
【在 p*****t 的大作中提到】
: 也很好，但是觉得熊猫是最有代表意义最能被大家接受的。取义也非常好。能一炮打响
: 。中国元素个人觉得要慢慢来。当然可以大部分熊猫，小部分仁义礼智信。
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c**l
发帖数: 9003 | 23 谢谢设计者的支持和参与！
个人意见是这个设计过于具体，对于现场的人来说他们已经有poster和banner和口号了
，对与不再现场的，他们需要的是那种心有灵犀一点通的东西，而且很多穿的人会非我
族裔，theme 越温和效果越好。。。但同时要点题，比如小字儿的"119"
【在 k****m 的大作中提到】
: 不知道，那3个圆圈算不算侵犯迪士尼的版权？突然间意识到，如果是白衬衫，红圆圈
: ，那是不是日本国旗？
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k****m
发帖数: 4670 | 24 是无敌，但是我们是让老美看，还是让自己人看，要用更能让老美理解的东西
【在 c**l 的大作中提到】
: 中国元素有两种，一是为主流所抗拒和排斥的，比如意识形态的那些东西。一是为主流
: 所拥抱和钦羡的，比如传统文化的这些东西。汉字书法+仁义礼智信+泼墨山水基本上是
: 无敌的。
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k****m
发帖数: 4670 | 25 好，再改
【在 c**l 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢设计者的支持和参与！
: 个人意见是这个设计过于具体，对于现场的人来说他们已经有poster和banner和口号了
: ，对与不再现场的，他们需要的是那种心有灵犀一点通的东西，而且很多穿的人会非我
: 族裔，theme 越温和效果越好。。。但同时要点题，比如小字儿的"119"
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c**l
发帖数: 9003 | 26 无敌是指对主流的民众无敌，他们很喜欢/尊重这个。这个自信要有。
我们在拥抱主流价值观的同时要有自己的identity，先站的稳，再往前走。
【在 k****m 的大作中提到】
: 是无敌，但是我们是让老美看，还是让自己人看，要用更能让老美理解的东西
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p*****t
发帖数: 417 | 27 这个无敌可以理解，建议还是通俗易懂。记得有个大学橄榄球队吉祥物不够彪悍，
Gamecock
. 网上看到有女性大学球迷纹身单独一个中文繁体字，瞬间石化，欲哭无泪，欲笑不能
啊。
文化战线，个人观点，熊猫的基础是无敌的。还没有哪个国家，地区，民族表示过反感
吧。亚特兰大动物园没钱为了养熊猫还动员群众种竹子。加拿大的熊猫还靠着美国的竹
子空运呢。好久没追踪新闻了，还是每年100万美元一头的租赁费加上生下小熊猫归中
国吗？还是只有亚特兰大，华盛顿，孟菲斯和圣地亚哥有熊猫而且馆馆火爆吗？ 有啥
比这创外汇更牛的，码工，油工，姚明？呵呵。
熊猫也比较符合我们的气质，虽不多，但都是国宝级别，大智
若愚。唯一不足，斗志差一点点，哈哈，不过看功夫熊猫，总算搬
回一城。
随便多说两句，文化这方面，为什么很多人不明白民族的才是世界的这个道理呢？ 几
千年文化底蕴不挖掘，学人拍商业片圈钱。各条战线都要觉醒啊。
【在 c**l 的大作中提到】
: 无敌是指对主流的民众无敌，他们很喜欢/尊重这个。这个自信要有。
: 我们在拥抱主流价值观的同时要有自己的identity，先站的稳，再往前走。
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S****e
发帖数: 931 | 28 Please don't use "Black, white and Asian" What about Jews? What about
Mexicans? This is not appropriate.
I think it's better to use:" I want to live"
【在 l********k 的大作中提到】
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o**********e
发帖数: 18403 | 29 Some would consider Jews as white, Mexicans as white, Japanese/Koreans/Arabs
as whatever they think they are. In fact, any Chinese should feel free to
call themselves black or white or yellow or red or pink or grey.
"I am black, white and Chinese" is stated by a Panda as self-description.
But it's also a pun about the racially diverse melting pot we are in, that
no matter our skin color, we are people underneath and proud of our own
cultural heritage and respect each other.
We don't need to be bending over backwards to make sure no race will be
offended by being excluded from our cute T-shirt. It's just a cute t-shirt
with a Chinese meaning. |
p*****t
发帖数: 417 | 30 唯一有考量可能是日韩友人。送一件这个给他们穿可能有点顾虑。还是asian吧，大度
一些团结一切可以团结的力量。求同存异。在这里我们本来就是要协同作战。
另外，突然想到这个可以创汇，支持咱们长远大计。友人可以送，别人还可以买吧。做
好了赶紧弄个商标版权啥的。哈哈，杞人忧天了，相信组委会的同志早就想到了。
Arabs
to
shirt
【在 o**********e 的大作中提到】
: Some would consider Jews as white, Mexicans as white, Japanese/Koreans/Arabs
: as whatever they think they are. In fact, any Chinese should feel free to
: call themselves black or white or yellow or red or pink or grey.
: "I am black, white and Chinese" is stated by a Panda as self-description.
: But it's also a pun about the racially diverse melting pot we are in, that
: no matter our skin color, we are people underneath and proud of our own
: cultural heritage and respect each other.
: We don't need to be bending over backwards to make sure no race will be
: offended by being excluded from our cute T-shirt. It's just a cute t-shirt
: with a Chinese meaning.
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o**********e
发帖数: 18403 | 31 Sure. But I think they will understand. Panda is factually Chinese.
This T-shirt represents Chinese-American's quest for community-building,
peace-building and trust-building between 2 cultures. There's no
need to be super-inclusive because Japan and Korea is not unfairly vilified
by the US media and they are already close allies with the USA.
When 911 happened, I remember a French journalist saying "Today we are all
Americans". This is the same idea. Some values are universal. They could
volunteer to be Chinese if
they want, 大家一起打酱油。 |
p*****t
发帖数: 417 | 32 有道理，是友人的能理解，非友人的强拉也没用，你说服了我。哈哈。
vilified
【在 o**********e 的大作中提到】
: Sure. But I think they will understand. Panda is factually Chinese.
: This T-shirt represents Chinese-American's quest for community-building,
: peace-building and trust-building between 2 cultures. There's no
: need to be super-inclusive because Japan and Korea is not unfairly vilified
: by the US media and they are already close allies with the USA.
: When 911 happened, I remember a French journalist saying "Today we are all
: Americans". This is the same idea. Some values are universal. They could
: volunteer to be Chinese if
: they want, 大家一起打酱油。
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l******8
发帖数: 107 | 33 I don't think we should use "black", it is not politically correct, although
I really like the idea behind the design. |
p*****t
发帖数: 417 | 34 我觉得这位同学和我一样过虑了。这个词非裔自己可以说，你听他们演讲就知道，熊猫
也可以说。
要非把熊猫都弄到政治的高度，那就有问题了。没有谁能够接受的！过犹不及。
although
【在 l******8 的大作中提到】
: I don't think we should use "black", it is not politically correct, although
: I really like the idea behind the design.
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m*****r
发帖数: 304 | 35 同意! 个人认为这次游行应该有同统一T shirt with SIMPLE, CLEAR, TO-THE-POINT
messages, such as "I WANT TO LIVE". "TEACH KIDS TO LOVE, NOT TO KILL" and
etc.
I LOVE the 熊猫 T shirts, but best to purchase as souvenior or donation
collection，不要作为游行服。
请问， 现在有没有定游行统一服装， 哪里可以购买，募捐? 如果还没定下来， 那么
什么时候会决定，会通知?
【在 S****e 的大作中提到】
: Please don't use "Black, white and Asian" What about Jews? What about
: Mexicans? This is not appropriate.
: I think it's better to use:" I want to live"
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o**********e
发帖数: 18403 | 36 T-shirt 3:
Front: Line drawing of a little Chinese girl (and/or panda bear) holding the
original "I want to live" sign.
Slogan could be omitted in this case. |
p*****t
发帖数: 417 | 37 就用熊猫吧，since Panda is also Chinese.....
the
【在 o**********e 的大作中提到】
: T-shirt 3:
: Front: Line drawing of a little Chinese girl (and/or panda bear) holding the
: original "I want to live" sign.
: Slogan could be omitted in this case.
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o**********e
发帖数: 18403 | 38 T-shirt 3:
Front: Line drawing of a cute panda bear (wearing expression of innocence
and hurt 无辜委屈的表情) holding the original "I want to live" sign.
Slogan is "I am black, white and Chinese"
Back: 熊猫我苦苦造爱疯的那点小钱，居然还要躺枪那美国佬的天价国债，小朋友被
误导了喊要灭了我。 我呜呜呜！
This shirt is 1-time only, event-specific, and almost like a protect-
endangered-species shirt. Cute but not a good one for future Chinese-
American Unity causes. |
c**l
发帖数: 9003 | 39 正在弄啊同学，volunteer 还不够。。。算你一个如何？
【在 m*****r 的大作中提到】
: 同意! 个人认为这次游行应该有同统一T shirt with SIMPLE, CLEAR, TO-THE-POINT
: messages, such as "I WANT TO LIVE". "TEACH KIDS TO LOVE, NOT TO KILL" and
: etc.
: I LOVE the 熊猫 T shirts, but best to purchase as souvenior or donation
: collection，不要作为游行服。
: 请问， 现在有没有定游行统一服装， 哪里可以购买，募捐? 如果还没定下来， 那么
: 什么时候会决定，会通知?
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c**l
发帖数: 9003 | 40 front:
I don't tell a joke on genocide
back:
nor will I let my kids |
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o**********e
发帖数: 18403 | 41 Tshirt 4:
front:
I don't laugh about genocide
back:
nor will I let my kids
But this is 1-time only. And also the subject a little too heavy for
everyday wear.
For the t-shirt to be worn a lot and for a long time, it should be funny or
cute and universal. In my personal experience, any t-shirt without these
qualities end up deep in the drawer and in the good will.
Just my 2-cents. |
c**l
发帖数: 9003 | 42 同意，太沉了。
这个如何?
front:
Live Without Hate
back:
March Against Media Violence & Hate Speech
2013.11.09
or
【在 o**********e 的大作中提到】
: Tshirt 4:
: front:
: I don't laugh about genocide
: back:
: nor will I let my kids
: But this is 1-time only. And also the subject a little too heavy for
: everyday wear.
: For the t-shirt to be worn a lot and for a long time, it should be funny or
: cute and universal. In my personal experience, any t-shirt without these
: qualities end up deep in the drawer and in the good will.
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o**********e
发帖数: 18403 | 43 T-shirt 5:
front:
Life, Liberty and pursuit of Happiness
1776.7.4
back:
Chinese-Americans for Peace and against Racism
2013.11.09
Front has the timelessness of the declaration for independence (a liberty
bell with Panda peeking from under it, waving a pair of chopsticks).
The back commemorate the 119 march. Not very funny though, but a good
choice for some people. |
c**l
发帖数: 9003 | 44 这个好。
有没有不同意见？
【在 o**********e 的大作中提到】
: T-shirt 5:
: front:
: Life, Liberty and pursuit of Happiness
: 1776.7.4
: back:
: Chinese-Americans for Peace and against Racism
: 2013.11.09
: Front has the timelessness of the declaration for independence (a liberty
: bell with Panda peeking from under it, waving a pair of chopsticks).
: The back commemorate the 119 march. Not very funny though, but a good
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o**********e
发帖数: 18403 | 45 I also like 1) & 2) & 5). We could offer the demonstrators a choice.
Dates could be printed on all of them to commemorate the 119 rally. I'm
happy with any of them.
What colors?
T-shirt 1:
The front could be: I am Black, White and Chinese (panda graphics)
The back slogan could be: Partner in Peace (peace graphics)
or "Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness" (American flag graphics)
or "I want to live!"
T-shirt 2:
The front could be: Globe map with China and USA, a green ribbon with peace
dove connecting the two
The back (or front slogan) could be: USA + China = 1/2 World Peace.
or Partner in Peace (peace graphics)
or "Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness"
or "Live and Let Live"
or "USA + China = Win-Win Future"
or "USA-China: Marathon For Peace"
In Chinese: 和平， 仁义， 诚信， 互利, 互助, 团结 都好。 Prefer Simple
patterns over complex patterns. Mono color > 3 colors > 5 colors.
These are the least confrontational designs and easiest to understand. |
c**l
发帖数: 9003 | 46 谢谢你的编辑，真是温暖人心啊
【在 o**********e 的大作中提到】
: I also like 1) & 2) & 5). We could offer the demonstrators a choice.
: Dates could be printed on all of them to commemorate the 119 rally. I'm
: happy with any of them.
: What colors?
: T-shirt 1:
: The front could be: I am Black, White and Chinese (panda graphics)
: The back slogan could be: Partner in Peace (peace graphics)
: or "Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness" (American flag graphics)
: or "I want to live!"
: T-shirt 2:
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o**********e
发帖数: 18403 | 47 Thanks for working hard on the t-shirts. Let us know if you need more help.
I also like bumper stickers. Also prefer non-confrontational messages for
things that I'll be stuck forever on. Need a forever message and get
people to smile and be happy and work towards a better future. |
D**********R
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c**l
发帖数: 9003 | 49
【在 c**l 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢你的编辑，真是温暖人心啊
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k****r
发帖数: 54 | 50 路过, 刚看到这个tshirt, 设计都不错啊! 小事一件：那个日期能不能改成 月/日/年
啊, 比较通用阿, 现在这个正面乍一看以为是达芬奇密码亚! |
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g****n
发帖数: 3313 | 51 这个是最后定稿吗？ 如果去掉 FOR PEACE， 如何？ 说peace, 会不会让人觉得软了？
【在 c**l 的大作中提到】
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g****n
发帖数: 3313 | 52 另外，谁有关于便宜做t-shirt 的渠道信息？时间不多了，如果要做的话，不能只是说
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c**l
发帖数: 9003 | 53 这次的theme是against violence and racism, 用for peace and against racism 比
较严谨
不软了，这个不仅仅给游行用，还设想着给路人发放，所以message 比较温和。
【在 g****n 的大作中提到】
: 这个是最后定稿吗？ 如果去掉 FOR PEACE， 如何？ 说peace, 会不会让人觉得软了？
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c**l
发帖数: 9003 | 54 有道理
【在 k****r 的大作中提到】
: 路过, 刚看到这个tshirt, 设计都不错啊! 小事一件：那个日期能不能改成 月/日/年
: 啊, 比较通用阿, 现在这个正面乍一看以为是达芬奇密码亚!
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D**********R
发帖数: 25234 | 55 唉，好想去当路人啊！
【在 c**l 的大作中提到】
: 这次的theme是against violence and racism, 用for peace and against racism 比
: 较严谨
: 不软了，这个不仅仅给游行用，还设想着给路人发放，所以message 比较温和。
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c**l
发帖数: 9003 | 56 如果游行的有300人的话，希望那天湾区有1000人穿着它晃悠
【在 D**********R 的大作中提到】
: 唉，好想去当路人啊！
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D**********R
发帖数: 25234 | 57 不知道SD能不能做出来，能游行的人手一件就好了，还是你们财大气粗。。。。
【在 c**l 的大作中提到】
: 如果游行的有300人的话，希望那天湾区有1000人穿着它晃悠
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c**l
发帖数: 9003 | 58 基本定稿了，再等一个小时，今天午夜就要订了。
欢迎兄弟城市使用同样的设计，我用的是，如果这个网站。如果加急(很贵)的话，星期
二订星期五能到
https://www.rushordertees.com
【在 g****n 的大作中提到】
: 另外，谁有关于便宜做t-shirt 的渠道信息？时间不多了，如果要做的话，不能只是说
: ，要开始行动了。
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