q******3
发帖数: 622 | 1 作为一个参加过大陆64游行的留美不年轻的华裔博士，虽然已经没有当年的参与政治的
激情。但是看着这次ABC电视 事件的发展，还是忍不住，一直follow，思考。
我建议好好准备，搞成感恩节游行。具体思路如下。
我们华人要利用这次事件的契机，为长远在美国的华人后代着想。不要把目光盯着眼前。
华人的后代就是现在的大小abc，以及年轻的来美的华人。
所以我建议既然这次事件的相关利益主角是abc，从当地中文学校的小孩到中文学校毕
业的大孩子，包括上班的abc。我们可以让当地去中文学校的家庭做重要的主力。我相
信上过中文学校的一定对中文学校有感情。我听到好多abc说，我长大了，有钱了，一
定要回来建个漂漂亮亮的中文学校。我们的中文学校起点低，但是一直担当着传承中华
文化的重要作用。我一直希望看到有一天，我们的中文学校跟教会一样，漂漂亮亮，作
为我们华人最终生活活动，可以寄托的地方。
培养小华人的参政热情。对他们的将来极为重要。大家都是忙于琴棋书画，单个培养。
但是最后没有团结的政治力量，前景肯定堪忧。作为三个孩子的父亲，我深知小孩子从
小参与的事情，对未来人生的影响最深远。
一旦我们明确游戏，利益的主体是我们华裔大小孩。他们为主体，我们父母年长的就是
做配角。关系就理顺了。打什么旗也很明确了。
搞运动就是要拉动政治团体。拉动媒体。否则就是徒劳。如果没有做到，我们自己就要
反思。说明感染力不够。
所以我们要以中文学校相关父母为根本。拉动华人团体，拉动喜欢中国的外国人，拉动
当地的国会议员，拉动媒体。这样就纲举目张了。
我个人认为这次Jimmy kemmel基本没有明显的racist的倾向，加上道歉了，没有明显的
破绽（昨天有个水世界版的abc长篇分析的非常不错，是我看到的最理性，最有深度，
英文理解远胜我们第一代华人），盯着一个人穷追狠打不很明智。再说，这个社会，明
摆着，打到了一个kemmel，还是有一大群类似的，我们是不可能一个个对付的。我们中
国人就是要用中医的道理，治本不治标。形成一种预防措施。不是很恰当的比喻就是年
年感恩节搞一次，给他们服用板蓝根一样，如果你是病毒胚胎，你就死在我的板蓝根的
love中。
我们要利用感恩节，大家一起来感恩。感谢这片美丽的土地。让我们快乐的生活。
美国这片优美的土地，就是一个熔炉，一个世界之窗，像一个大班级。我们中国人少，
但是学习好，但是不能光是学习委员，要竞选班长。即使当不了总统，但是道德层次，
必须很高，我们中国人的生活就是最好的五好学生（勤劳，聪明，环保，爱好和平，有
活力），我们完全可以做美国人生活的role model。
我们可以把这些都变成文字，分散在大家的游行t-shirt上面。
如果成功，我们年年感恩节搞。直到把我们华人从劳工以来的贡献写进教科书。
搞运动，下法是打到一个个体，中法是解决一类问题。上法是写进textbook，写进宪法
，永远杜绝。
游行原则：
我们要把游行搞得充满和气，欢乐，正能量。千万不要跟其他游行一样，少抱怨，少愤
恨，多感恩。
西方感恩节家庭团聚，跟中国人春节差不多。大家要的是正能量，开心。和谐。寓教于
乐。
具体：
我们小孩生于此，长于此。当然是地道的美国人。我建议大家t-shirt以美国国旗蓝为
底色。我们应该为自己是美国人而骄傲。对大人，如果是加入美国国籍的，就应该自豪
的喜欢美国国旗，不要背叛自己的宣誓，做人要君子，言行一致。我不认为加入美国籍
的就不是中国人。不妨碍我们流淌的是中国人的血。不妨碍我们永远为热爱中国文化而
自豪。
小建议：
德州的中国华人小孩，衣服可以用德州blueberry州花为背景，或者其他local风味的。
旧金山的，可以是金门大桥，Yosemite，为背景。纽约的，当然一定要有自由女神像了。
以此类推。
类似口号,相信大家具体做一定有很多好主意，尤其英文表达，要为美国人习惯接受，
百姓爱看，媒体就有需要播放，形成良性循环。给其他媒体机会。
teach kid peace，love，not violence， killing。
no bully in school。
We love mickey mouse，but not violence。
promote merit based Equal right in K12 school。not based on race/others。
Equal right to University based on merit, not based on race/others。
Equal right to corporation career advancement,no glass Ceiling based on
race.
Chinese labor contribution to US，should be written in school textbook。
对于临时来美国的，或者以后想回国生活的。不妨作为大陆人参与。带五星红旗也挺好
.这一部分可以为大陆孩子的将来摇旗呐喊。我们要借此机会，教育美国人。多少东西
是中国造的。我们牺牲了中国的环境，换来了美国跟世界的蓝天。我们百姓很好，但是
跨国公司很贪婪，百姓过得很苦。
你们的口号也许可以是，
我们为美国苹果为世界造iphone ipad，但是不要把我们的空气，污染。不要force我们
做童工。
我们也喜欢迪斯尼卡通，但是不喜欢暴力。
我们热爱和平，不要战争（美国不要鼓励台湾独立，鼓励日本跟中国对抗，
不要偷窥我们的隐私，no NSA in china。
USA is triple-A AAA credit country，pay our debt，at least interest。（本意
就是要和谐，要幽默，谁都知道美国一时根本没有能力还钱，但是可以下围棋一样，一
直打劫，让你至少良性愧疚）。
鼓励欢迎喜欢中国的外国人参加。口号是。
Do not kill hen，if you want more eggs。（欢乐，搞笑，但是提醒美国人你们还是
欠债了，别假装没事）。
Let Chinese to be alive，so we can issue more debt to them。（差不多的搞笑，
表示不要搞敌意，但也是给美国人的警示，你们不规矩自略，也许以后借不到钱了）。
Chinese，please build us highspeed train in US, please loan us money too(搞
笑为主，暗讽美国永远能力做这么大的工程)。
关键就是要层次高，要有大国国民风范。利于中美永久和平。
所以我个人建议暂缓119运动，理由是太急，目的不明确。效果有限。 | n******a
发帖数: 253 | 2 鼓掌！我觉得楼主说得很有些道理！至少很值得借鉴。
可否请大家再想想？是否真的已经箭在弦上，不得不发了？
那么也请考虑对突发，意外事件的应急措施。安排专人思考应对。 | d******o
发帖数: 2489 | 3 Some of your points are worth exploring, thank you for the contribution.
前。
【在 q******3 的大作中提到】
: 作为一个参加过大陆64游行的留美不年轻的华裔博士，虽然已经没有当年的参与政治的
: 激情。但是看着这次ABC电视 事件的发展，还是忍不住，一直follow，思考。
: 我建议好好准备，搞成感恩节游行。具体思路如下。
: 我们华人要利用这次事件的契机，为长远在美国的华人后代着想。不要把目光盯着眼前。
: 华人的后代就是现在的大小abc，以及年轻的来美的华人。
: 所以我建议既然这次事件的相关利益主角是abc，从当地中文学校的小孩到中文学校毕
: 业的大孩子，包括上班的abc。我们可以让当地去中文学校的家庭做重要的主力。我相
: 信上过中文学校的一定对中文学校有感情。我听到好多abc说，我长大了，有钱了，一
: 定要回来建个漂漂亮亮的中文学校。我们的中文学校起点低，但是一直担当着传承中华
: 文化的重要作用。我一直希望看到有一天，我们的中文学校跟教会一样，漂漂亮亮，作
| e**o
发帖数: 5509 | 4 除了最后的回避问题，一团和气的游行其他还靠谱。
我还想建议以下1880左右针对中国人的屠杀事件的发生日都游行一次呢。
毕竟那些屠杀事件在社会秩序不乱，公检法正常运转下，一个人都没判，也没人负责。
普通人里面我算比较关心历史，尤其是华人历史的了。
但以下华人屠杀事件，不是这次特意找出来，还不知道美国发生过这么多骇人听闻的事。
我们今天游行不就是为了避免这些屠杀事件再次发生吗？
自己不牢记，不宣传，连自己人都不知道这些历史，
更别指望白人会知道这些事，主动改正错误，永不再犯。
Chinese massacre of 1871， October 24, 1871
Rock Springs massacre， September 2, 1885
Issaquah riot of 1885， September 7, 1885
Tacoma riot of 1885， early November 1885
Seattle riot of 1886， February 6 — 9, 1886
Anti-Chinese violence in Washington， September 1885
前。
【在 q******3 的大作中提到】
: 作为一个参加过大陆64游行的留美不年轻的华裔博士，虽然已经没有当年的参与政治的
: 激情。但是看着这次ABC电视 事件的发展，还是忍不住，一直follow，思考。
: 我建议好好准备，搞成感恩节游行。具体思路如下。
: 我们华人要利用这次事件的契机，为长远在美国的华人后代着想。不要把目光盯着眼前。
: 华人的后代就是现在的大小abc，以及年轻的来美的华人。
: 所以我建议既然这次事件的相关利益主角是abc，从当地中文学校的小孩到中文学校毕
: 业的大孩子，包括上班的abc。我们可以让当地去中文学校的家庭做重要的主力。我相
: 信上过中文学校的一定对中文学校有感情。我听到好多abc说，我长大了，有钱了，一
: 定要回来建个漂漂亮亮的中文学校。我们的中文学校起点低，但是一直担当着传承中华
: 文化的重要作用。我一直希望看到有一天，我们的中文学校跟教会一样，漂漂亮亮，作
| q******3
发帖数: 622 | 5 非常喜欢这篇abc的大作。
留个copy，多看几遍。
今天一个朋友转过来的， 很长的英文， 不知道大家有没有兴趣看看。
Jimmy Kimmel - kill everyone in China
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All of Jimmy Kimmel’s lines transcribed from the video by me
“kill everyone in China? okay that’s an interesting idea…again.”
“you’re saying build a wall in China? a huge big great kind of a wall?”
“that will never happen”
“when you owe someone money, should you pay them back”
“but then they won’t lend you money anymore”
“should this country be forced to pay OUR own debts?”
-response: YES
“but you just said kill everyone in china a while ago…what happened to
that?”
“should we allow the Chinese to live?”
“well this has been an interesting edition of kids table: the lord of the
flies edition (LAUGHTER) I’d like to thank my correspondents ___….”
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Hello everyone, I am an American-born Chinese male and it has come to my
attention that a recent Jimmy Kimmel video has become the subject of much
controversy.
I’m here to give the Chinese community another (contrasting) perspective on
this issue, except this time it’s coming from someone who has lived in the
United States for his entire life, and I hope it allows everyone to have a
more balanced discussion.
First, the current consensus about Jimmy Kimmel’s position is that he is
completely guilty of slandering the Chinese people and that his comments in
the video were horrifically unjustified. From the point of view of someone
who is familiar with American culture, this consensus seems unfounded for
a few reasons. These following
arguments will take the video at face value and will not consider his
occupation or background as an American.
First is that when Jimmy Kimmel said that the child’s idea was “
interesting”, it doesn't necessarily mean that he’s actively supporting it
. The full definition of interesting as defined by Merriam Webster is “
holding the attention”. This means that JK did not actively voice support
for this suggested policy. It simply means that it attracted his attention
which could also mean that he finds it particularly surprising that a child
could possibly come up with such a cruel solution. A common argument that
has arisen is that JK shouldn't have even aired such slander; however, he
traps the child in a contradiction by leading him into the conclusion that
the United States should in fact pay their debts. He clearly and loudly asks
if “this country should be forced to pay…” after he makes it clear that
people should pay off their debts, and shows that since paying the debt is
obviously the morally correct choice, that the child’s argument of killing
the Chinese is fundamentally wrong both logically and morally when he asks:
“but you just said kill everyone in China a while ago… what happened to
that?”. In addition, the line “should we allow the Chinese to live?” is a
question, which means that it carries no opinion forward.
Second, the most important part of the show that I believe truly
contextualizes and casts JK in a completely different light is his comment
that the show was “the lord of the flies edition” of kid’s table. This
remark was immediately followed by a laugh track, marking it as clearly
understandable by the majority of the United States and making sure that it
is acknowledged by the audience. What a vast amount a lot of people may not
have is the experience of reading British author William Golding’s novel:
The Lord Of The Flies. The Lord of the Flies is a book that centers around
describing the human condition with a complete lack of constraints. The
story is about a group of boys who are stranded on a deserted island. At
first, they attempt to recreate a civilized society much like the one that
they’d left behind, but it quickly breaks down and they are reduced to
savagery. A critique on the true nature of humans, it describes the natural
human as nasty, vile, and brutal. The boys end up killing each other and
destruction prevails. An understanding of JK’s reference to the Lord of The
Flies is imperative to any discussion about JK’s message to the audience
because it shows that he believes that the children’s comments were much
like the behavior exhibited by the savage boys on the deserted island. This
means that JK truly does NOT believe that Chinese people deserve to be
killed, as he does end up portraying these kids as morally wrong.
Even though these lines of the video are crucial to his message, the media
outlets are skewing the general consensus about him. After inputting the
keywords “Jimmy Kimmel China” and clicking on the first link which is
provided below, I read an article that took his lines completely out of
context and even lies about the order! Here’s the excerpt from the article:
"America owes China a lot of money, $1.3 trillion," Kimmel told the children
. "How should we pay them back?"
"Shoot cannons all the way over and kill everyone in China," the boy said.
"Kill everyone in China? OK, that's an interesting idea," Kimmel said, then
asked the group, "Should we allow the Chinese to live?"
While one boy said, "No," most of the children said, "Yes," CNN said.
Now if you do a quick comparison of THAT article and the full catalog of
everything JK actually said in the video, you’ll find a few differences.
Differences that make all the difference when mulling over his innocence/
guilt.
The article completely fails to include the two major dialog that I spoke
about in the paragraph above, and the article also falsely places the blame
on JK for making the choice to air the segment. Since Jimmy Kimmel’s
occupation is clearly being an actor, it makes sense to come to the
conclusion that the person choosing what airs on TV is probably not the
actor, but other employees who are responsible for editing and scheduling
time-slots on TV. I have provided the excerpt below.
“LOS ANGELES, Nov. 1 (UPI) -- TV talk show host Jimmy Kimmel apologized to
the Chinese and Chinese-American communities for airing a little boy's
bloodthirsty remarks about attacking China.”
The media’s portrayal of JK has twisted the story and I believe that this
is very problematic because it’s giving the Chinese people a false cause to
rally behind. I am able to understand the entire
video’s cultural references so I’m assuming that most other Americans will
also come to some of the same conclusions that I came to. Even though I do
believe that the intent is noble, there is a problem because this isn't the
right rallying point.
Another view that could easily pardon JK is the fact that this "kid's table"
episode centered around the United State's debt crisis and possible ways to
solve it. The use of China as the country in question was done not because
JK is racist, but because it's a statement of fact to say that the United
States owes China a tremendous amount of money. The comments that he makes
are NOT racially charged as he doesn't stereotype any particular race at all
. In fact, the "killing" is a question of debtors and creditors i.e. "kill
the people we owe money to", not "kill Chinese people because they're bad".
He makes no racist argument like： “Chinese people are violent people". The
statements in the video make the country in question completely arbitrary,
which is another way to show that JK was not racist.
Now, let’s pretend that JK did in fact “agree” to the policy of killing
China’s people. I think it’s a valid argument to say that for most Chinese
people protesting, the first JK video they ever watched was the video in
question. I have actually been watching JK for years and I’m very familiar
with “Kid’s table”. Kid’s table is not meant to take kids seriously. In
fact, he intends for people to just have a nice laugh about the naivety and
the wide variety of dispositions that kids can display. If he were to “
agree” to the policy he would be doing his comical act and just playing
along for the laughs. In no way would JK actually take a child’s word and
legitimately try to send the message that the kid speaks the absolute truth.
Comedians by nature are also “offensive” in the United States, and the
Chinese community’s reaction is completely different than the reactions of
other races which may make this recent Chinese movement look bad because
American people have already come to accept the fact that comedy is a break
from reality and not to be taken seriously. American comedians are already
accustomed to poking fun at sensitive topics like: abortion, or gay rights.
The material of these comedians may seem extremely
offensive to some, but the nature of their job is to not be taken seriously
. This means that the recent protests could in fact backfire on the Chinese
and make the rest of the nation believe that the Chinese are over-reacting
to a trivial issue.
PART TWO:
Now let’s pretend that Jimmy Kimmel himself said: “yes that is a very good
idea”. I believe that the Chinese community that is calling for more out
of him (he has already apologized) is going way too far. He shouldn’t be
fired because this would have been a first offense, and he would have been
ignorant to any cultural norms he’d been infringing upon. He has already
issued a full, public apology and trying to inflict more suffering upon his
life would just be beating a dead horse with a stick. Instead, the Chinese
community would do better by showing itself as calm, and understanding that
all humans are fallible. From my point of view, it looks as if the movement
has moved from a political statement to a witch-hunt.
Here’s what I believe to be a better solution to the current situation:
First, calling for the punishment of someone who wronged someone because of
racial prejudices. Sound familiar? That’s because it was a significant
rallying point for the African American community during the recent Trayvon
Martin trials. The problem is that the “solution” was an attack on the
result of the problem. The better solution would have been going for the
source of the problem as these protests on isolated, publicized incidents
don’t actually provide the proper avenue to a successful change. If JK is
fired, so what? The Chinese people do not take a step forward because the
real problem was the boy who suggested the policy in the first place. His
ignorance made him say that cruel statement on television and JK being fired
has absolutely no affect on today’s racist youth. The only way for the
community to overcome this racism is to have today’s population be educated
on the true nature of the Chinese people and why we deserve the same
recognition as human beings. This would solve for the root problem of racism
as not only would the child have not made that comment at all, but it
becomes a more universal band-aid to all future wrongs too in that it helps
prevent future problems from arising. What I think the Chinese people should
be rallying for is reform of the US public education system to include the
labors of the Chinese people in its curriculum, because I also believe that
without a doubt that the child’s suggestion to kill all the Chinese people
was horrifically inexcusable and should never have happened. Currently, it
is mandatory for public schools to teach about the Japanese internment camps
that imprisoned Japanese-Americans during WWII. This teaching curbs the
racism that could occur as a result of WWII as it humanizes them and shows
the American public that they are also people with their own lives. I think
that including more information about the hard work of China’s immigrants
would definitely increase the respect and recognition for the current
population of China living in the United States and overseas.
Finally, I’d like to pre-empt some arguments that people might have
POLITICIANS ARE SAYING THAT HE SHOULD BE FIRED:
politicians are primarily motivated by the vote, so citing them as a
credible source for a compelling reason to do bad things to Jimmy Kimmel
doesn’t make sense because their public actions are all carefully
calculated for the best possible public reaction.
COMEDY SHOULD HAVE LIMITS. COMEDIANS HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY NOT TO SAY THESE
KINDS OF THINGS:
if comedy cannot offend anyone, then no medium for entertainment could ever
exist as there’s always going to be at least one minority group that is
offended by the medium. If you’ve read Fahrenheit 451, Captain Beatty tells
Guy Montag that all the reading and mediums for expression were banned
because everything offended at least one minority.
HIS APOLOGY WASN'T SINCERE
What is he supposed to do then? either A: he doesn't apologize which makes
everyone angry, or B：he apologizes and everyone claims that he's not
speaking the truth
Thanks you for your time, and I hope you’ll be able to understand and
consider my point of view | r*********0
发帖数: 107 | 6 楼主贴得太长 没仔细看 不过大致非常同意
建议不要拘泥于几米同学了 既然要诉求 就诉求广泛一点
把小题大作 变 大题大作 还好些
游行得人分两部分 一部分看了几米的秀 觉得不爽 可归结于不懂晚间秀文化
一部分就是道听途说 是缺乏独立思考的能力
美国对华裔有歧视吗 当然有 但搞几米童鞋就是捡芝麻 丢西瓜
对生活在bubble里的同学建议 反思一下自己
拿些大的题目
比如能不能帮
在军队自杀的华人子弟讨个公道 现在军方没有人guilty
但体罚racial slur 是证实了的
效果会好点 |
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