h***o 发帖数: 1494 | 1 【 以下文字转载自 PDA 讨论区 】
发信人: cellneuron (cell), 信区: PDA
标 题: WP7.5 PHONE凄惨至此, 展区竟无一人
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Sep 3 10:37:34 2011, 美东)
我说错了, 是有一个人, 是个美人,其他连MS的员工都无聊到到太阳底下晒太阳。
展区是HTC MOZART的MANGO, 因为在太阳底下, 一点都看不清。
http://wmpoweruser.com/ifa-2011-microsoft-stand-windows-phone-g
situation/
Let me tell you general situation about Windows Phone at IFA 2011, but
first let’s take a short look at Microsoft stand at IFA, which is placed
outdoors in so called “Sommergarten” (summer garden), on the left side
near the entrance to this garden:
As you can observe from photo proof above, nobody is interested in this
thing called “Windows Phone whatever”. No, frigging, body. As you can
see staff is basking in sun like snakes who are bored and need a tan.
What is on the show at Microsoft stand? Well, this sexy lady is:
… and she is presenting to me (as nobody else is there) what is new at
Windows Phone 7.5 (“don’t you dare call it Mango!” she said). She is
using HTC Titan to present Windows Phone 7.5 (main new feature being
multitasking) but all over the Microsoft stand there are demo units of
HTC Mozart running Windows Phone 7.5, what is silly because it is
outdoors and they don’t have AMOLED screen so I couldn’t see almost
anything.
Well, maybe I exaggerated that nobody is coming to Microsoft stand at
IFA 2011: in fact a news crew from very big German news channel N24 was
there and above mentioned lady was presenting Windows Phone 7.5 to them
too. The camera man from N24 was winking to me while looking at her.
But apart from Microsoft, what is generation situation of Windows Phone
at IFA this year? Well, there is progress: several companies, including
Acer, HTC are presenting new phones with Mango, err, sorry, I mean
Windows Phone 7.5 … and it’s much better than at IFA 2010 when there was
no Windows Phone at all.
Yes, sadly in all stands where Windows Phone is present (apart from
Microsoft’s own stand obviously) majority of smartphones shown is
powered by Android, and Windows Phone occupies only small part of all
phones shown.
Clearly highlights of IFA 2011, when it comes to Windows Phone, are HTC
Titan and HTC Radar, mainly HTC Titan, but obviously Nokia has not
released their phones yet, so one can say there is tranquility before
storm.
Coming up, in my next news items here: photos and videos from various
stands with Windows Phone stuff, including lengthy videos from Microsoft
(above lady in one-on-one action with me) and from HTC (including
presentation of video of wide angle cameras in HTC Titan and HTC Radar).
Stay tuned…
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H**********k 发帖数: 2158 | 2 WP7 那个部门的人擅长的是政治斗争,如何从其它地方多奶钱,还有很
专业地搞对手的葬礼,以及万圣节装饰出可以用来卖票收钱找人来看的
鬼屋,没听说过他们也会做出有人买的产品。。。
LOL
【在 h***o 的大作中提到】 : 【 以下文字转载自 PDA 讨论区 】 : 发信人: cellneuron (cell), 信区: PDA : 标 题: WP7.5 PHONE凄惨至此, 展区竟无一人 : 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Sep 3 10:37:34 2011, 美东) : 我说错了, 是有一个人, 是个美人,其他连MS的员工都无聊到到太阳底下晒太阳。 : 展区是HTC MOZART的MANGO, 因为在太阳底下, 一点都看不清。 : http://wmpoweruser.com/ifa-2011-microsoft-stand-windows-phone-g : situation/ : Let me tell you general situation about Windows Phone at IFA 2011, but : first let’s take a short look at Microsoft stand at IFA, which is placed
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G*****h 发帖数: 33134 | 3 他们广告费不知道花哪儿去了
除了手机店门外面的牌子,我从来没见到过 WP7 广告
其实 WP7 的底子还是不错的
就是 app 开发者太少
另外那个 endless list 太强大,
没有人见了不被 turn off 的
【在 H**********k 的大作中提到】 : WP7 那个部门的人擅长的是政治斗争,如何从其它地方多奶钱,还有很 : 专业地搞对手的葬礼,以及万圣节装饰出可以用来卖票收钱找人来看的 : 鬼屋,没听说过他们也会做出有人买的产品。。。 : LOL
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l****n 发帖数: 6896 | 4 Port to C#? Might as well port to Java or ObjectiveC. After all, they
already have a strong customer base.
【在 G*****h 的大作中提到】 : 他们广告费不知道花哪儿去了 : 除了手机店门外面的牌子,我从来没见到过 WP7 广告 : 其实 WP7 的底子还是不错的 : 就是 app 开发者太少 : 另外那个 endless list 太强大, : 没有人见了不被 turn off 的
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K*Q 发帖数: 1001 | 5 周围几个用WP7的,没有一个人喜欢那玩意儿
最重要的地方,居然设计成最愚蠢的endless list
整个儿就一个dos时代风格,还拿出来臭显摆呢,metro个p
【在 G*****h 的大作中提到】 : 他们广告费不知道花哪儿去了 : 除了手机店门外面的牌子,我从来没见到过 WP7 广告 : 其实 WP7 的底子还是不错的 : 就是 app 开发者太少 : 另外那个 endless list 太强大, : 没有人见了不被 turn off 的
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l****n 发帖数: 6896 | 7 Well, 也不至于吧?DOS 时代的人都退休了,不太可能遗风至今。
【在 K*Q 的大作中提到】 : 周围几个用WP7的,没有一个人喜欢那玩意儿 : 最重要的地方,居然设计成最愚蠢的endless list : 整个儿就一个dos时代风格,还拿出来臭显摆呢,metro个p
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h***o 发帖数: 1494 | 8
好像Windows的老人都去Mobile了。
【在 l****n 的大作中提到】 : Well, 也不至于吧?DOS 时代的人都退休了,不太可能遗风至今。
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k****n 发帖数: 682 | 9 弱弱的问一下,啥是endless list?
【在 K*Q 的大作中提到】 : 周围几个用WP7的,没有一个人喜欢那玩意儿 : 最重要的地方,居然设计成最愚蠢的endless list : 整个儿就一个dos时代风格,还拿出来臭显摆呢,metro个p
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l****n 发帖数: 6896 | 10 endless list 不会是致命伤的啦。你知道 Android 不支持 synchronous/blocking
dialog box or message box 吗?也就是说,你一旦发出一个 message 或 dialog box
以后,control 立即回到系统,等到用户按下 yes/no/OK 以后,你的程序才重新取回
控制权。也就是说,原来一个 sequential 的流程必须被分割成好几部份。
想想看一个简单的开档案的过程会经过多少道问题:
问用户要不要先存旧檔?
如果旧檔还是 untitled,要用户输入个檔名
如果檔名存在,问用户要不要覆盖?
然后要用户选个/输入个开檔的檔名
如果有密码,要他输入密码
结果搞不好要实现一个 state machine 才能做这操作 LOL,就这样的系统也在大卖!
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k****n 发帖数: 682 | 11 用户不care功能,feature,便宜是王道,观touchpad热卖有感
box
【在 l****n 的大作中提到】 : endless list 不会是致命伤的啦。你知道 Android 不支持 synchronous/blocking : dialog box or message box 吗?也就是说,你一旦发出一个 message 或 dialog box : 以后,control 立即回到系统,等到用户按下 yes/no/OK 以后,你的程序才重新取回 : 控制权。也就是说,原来一个 sequential 的流程必须被分割成好几部份。 : 想想看一个简单的开档案的过程会经过多少道问题: : 问用户要不要先存旧檔? : 如果旧檔还是 untitled,要用户输入个檔名 : 如果檔名存在,问用户要不要覆盖? : 然后要用户选个/输入个开檔的檔名 : 如果有密码,要他输入密码
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G*****h 发帖数: 33134 | 12 这话说的
买了 touchpad,都在挑好用的软件装。。。
再说
webOS 界面虽然朴实,用起来很方便
换成 wp7 的板子 99 肯定没人抢
【在 k****n 的大作中提到】 : 用户不care功能,feature,便宜是王道,观touchpad热卖有感 : : box
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s********y 发帖数: 3811 | 13 对于一些小资, windows 作为一个商标都是 turnoff.
【在 G*****h 的大作中提到】 : 这话说的 : 买了 touchpad,都在挑好用的软件装。。。 : 再说 : webOS 界面虽然朴实,用起来很方便 : 换成 wp7 的板子 99 肯定没人抢
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s***o 发帖数: 2191 | 14 开发者到现在都不知道倒底要用什么工具开发。一会HTML一会native再加个正拼命往死
里整的silverlight,除非早先不小心跳进去爬不上来的,谁没事去趟那个混水
【在 G*****h 的大作中提到】 : 他们广告费不知道花哪儿去了 : 除了手机店门外面的牌子,我从来没见到过 WP7 广告 : 其实 WP7 的底子还是不错的 : 就是 app 开发者太少 : 另外那个 endless list 太强大, : 没有人见了不被 turn off 的
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c***k 发帖数: 1589 | 15 that is the right design! UIKit(iOS) Is the same. as long as u are following
the delefation model. the coding itself is not that
complicated. if u r using too many msg box, u should rethink about the user
experience
box
【在 l****n 的大作中提到】 : endless list 不会是致命伤的啦。你知道 Android 不支持 synchronous/blocking : dialog box or message box 吗?也就是说,你一旦发出一个 message 或 dialog box : 以后,control 立即回到系统,等到用户按下 yes/no/OK 以后,你的程序才重新取回 : 控制权。也就是说,原来一个 sequential 的流程必须被分割成好几部份。 : 想想看一个简单的开档案的过程会经过多少道问题: : 问用户要不要先存旧檔? : 如果旧檔还是 untitled,要用户输入个檔名 : 如果檔名存在,问用户要不要覆盖? : 然后要用户选个/输入个开檔的檔名 : 如果有密码,要他输入密码
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G*****h 发帖数: 33134 | 16 当年 win32 API + VC++ 横扫天下
现在反而不知道该用啥了
搞了一堆C# 也没法用
这就是糊涂啊
【在 s***o 的大作中提到】 : 开发者到现在都不知道倒底要用什么工具开发。一会HTML一会native再加个正拼命往死 : 里整的silverlight,除非早先不小心跳进去爬不上来的,谁没事去趟那个混水
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t*****y 发帖数: 445 | 17 both android and iphone have clear and consistent API across phone/tablet
and iOS's API is pretty much also consistent with Mac
take a look of Windows 8 tablet/WP 7, as for now, they use different tools
for development. I have no idea what they are thinking.
it must be politics bullshit
【在 G*****h 的大作中提到】 : 当年 win32 API + VC++ 横扫天下 : 现在反而不知道该用啥了 : 搞了一堆C# 也没法用 : 这就是糊涂啊
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G*****h 发帖数: 33134 | 18 现在是 MBA 和 PM 当权
他们哪知道啥叫 API
【在 t*****y 的大作中提到】 : both android and iphone have clear and consistent API across phone/tablet : and iOS's API is pretty much also consistent with Mac : take a look of Windows 8 tablet/WP 7, as for now, they use different tools : for development. I have no idea what they are thinking. : it must be politics bullshit
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t*****y 发帖数: 445 | 19 win32 API + VC++ 真的是不错,功能强大
windows的确为其上的application提供了强大的平台和开发接口
最开始做windows的那批人真的是高手中的高手
【在 G*****h 的大作中提到】 : 当年 win32 API + VC++ 横扫天下 : 现在反而不知道该用啥了 : 搞了一堆C# 也没法用 : 这就是糊涂啊
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H**********k 发帖数: 2158 | 20 "politics bullshit" is exactly what it is. SteveSi wants push his agenda on
HTML 5 to kill the Silverlight people, Silverlight people apparently have a
different agenda.
【在 t*****y 的大作中提到】 : both android and iphone have clear and consistent API across phone/tablet : and iOS's API is pretty much also consistent with Mac : take a look of Windows 8 tablet/WP 7, as for now, they use different tools : for development. I have no idea what they are thinking. : it must be politics bullshit
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t*****y 发帖数: 445 | 21 yeah. guess that's what happened
it's see what they'll do when formally relasing windows 8
on
a
【在 H**********k 的大作中提到】 : "politics bullshit" is exactly what it is. SteveSi wants push his agenda on : HTML 5 to kill the Silverlight people, Silverlight people apparently have a : different agenda.
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H**********k 发帖数: 2158 | 22 developers will just leave in droves if they have to invest time to learn
something new every time a new version comes out.
【在 t*****y 的大作中提到】 : yeah. guess that's what happened : it's see what they'll do when formally relasing windows 8 : : on : a
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t*****y 发帖数: 445 | 23 SB has no idea about technology
and two presidents cannot agree on each other
thus the products are screwed up... LOL
【在 H**********k 的大作中提到】 : developers will just leave in droves if they have to invest time to learn : something new every time a new version comes out.
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l****n 发帖数: 6896 | 24 "Right" design? I don't see how can that be right -- breaking a sequential
work flow, both in programmer's and user's view, into unrelated pieces of
code scattered around in the program. Difficult to code, difficult to
maintain.
Calling it "right" is like telling users that "It's not my UI design is lousy
, it's you who don't know how to use my software."
following
user
【在 c***k 的大作中提到】 : that is the right design! UIKit(iOS) Is the same. as long as u are following : the delefation model. the coding itself is not that : complicated. if u r using too many msg box, u should rethink about the user : experience : : box
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a********1 发帖数: 750 | 25 要是那么复杂的逻辑就应该用的新的activity in android, 或者modal view in ios
lousy
【在 l****n 的大作中提到】 : "Right" design? I don't see how can that be right -- breaking a sequential : work flow, both in programmer's and user's view, into unrelated pieces of : code scattered around in the program. Difficult to code, difficult to : maintain. : Calling it "right" is like telling users that "It's not my UI design is lousy : , it's you who don't know how to use my software." : : following : user
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y*******d 发帖数: 1765 | 26 The biggest problem is they are trying to find a genius solution to fix all
problems.
If you looking for a platform to run on powerful pc and energy conservative
tablet, you are simply ask for problems.
I can understand why SteveSi want to kill sliverlight, it's all coming from
"window 8" will be the SINGLE os for PC and TABLET. Silver light is a lil
bit too heavy for tablet.
I'm more willing to see two compliers, one for tablet and one for PC,
against same code they will produce two binaries. But that's just my stupid
throughts.
on
a
【在 H**********k 的大作中提到】 : "politics bullshit" is exactly what it is. SteveSi wants push his agenda on : HTML 5 to kill the Silverlight people, Silverlight people apparently have a : different agenda.
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r******y 发帖数: 3838 | 27 早期win32 API和苹果原先mac os的api类似,到后来因borland 公司 C++兴起,才出VC
++。
java兴起,微软才出C#. 微软是什么热出什么,不象苹果十几年坚持objective c。
【在 t*****y 的大作中提到】 : win32 API + VC++ 真的是不错,功能强大 : windows的确为其上的application提供了强大的平台和开发接口 : 最开始做windows的那批人真的是高手中的高手
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k****n 发帖数: 682 | 28 要是能几十年坚持汇编更牛逼
VC
【在 r******y 的大作中提到】 : 早期win32 API和苹果原先mac os的api类似,到后来因borland 公司 C++兴起,才出VC : ++。 : java兴起,微软才出C#. 微软是什么热出什么,不象苹果十几年坚持objective c。
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