o**********e
发帖数: 18403 | 1 微软员工，前诺基亚员工，
如果你们的组是烙印老板，满组都是烙印。
或者你的职位项目被烙印合同工ICC抢，
你是公民被裁。 请考虑告微软！
微软和亚麻都有联邦合同,
用联邦的钱喂给ICC，这是政客
们最怕老美知道的。 老美知道
就会闹他们。
call Donna Conroy@Bright Future Jobs
773-764-5865
他们有律师可以帮忙。
不管什么发生，我们都要互相帮助，
联合共抗强敌！
请看： 现在ICC就有160，000+ 技术H1B
在美国，过去15年内，恐怕少说1M。
http://www.foreignlaborcert.doleta.gov/pdf/H-1B_Selected_Statis
而美国总共技术工作就是2M。 请大家多跟
老美老中说，这是神经侵略的规模！
帮弯曲朋友“华人事业互助兄弟会”做个广告！
在linkedIN申请。
希望西雅图同学：生于忧患，奋发图强。
微软裁员谣言：围魏救赵
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/SanFrancisco/34218281.html
回答： 微软裁下来应该另起炉灶
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t0/SanFrancisco/34219735.html
微软亚麻员工可加入反烙印的工会Washtech
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/SanFrancisco/34218369.html |
u**c
发帖数: 17972 | 2 这个要支持
【在 o**********e 的大作中提到】
: 微软员工，前诺基亚员工，
: 如果你们的组是烙印老板，满组都是烙印。
: 或者你的职位项目被烙印合同工ICC抢，
: 你是公民被裁。 请考虑告微软！
: 微软和亚麻都有联邦合同,
: 用联邦的钱喂给ICC，这是政客
: 们最怕老美知道的。 老美知道
: 就会闹他们。
: call Donna Conroy@Bright Future Jobs
: 773-764-5865
|
m******n
发帖数: 1691 | 3 这个我不得不说，平时没见这么多对策，等到被裁了才各种不满，
是不是稍微晚了一点？
当然我不是说我们不应该抗击ICC，只是要早，各位还没被裁的
也要生于忧患。
【在 o**********e 的大作中提到】
: 微软员工，前诺基亚员工，
: 如果你们的组是烙印老板，满组都是烙印。
: 或者你的职位项目被烙印合同工ICC抢，
: 你是公民被裁。 请考虑告微软！
: 微软和亚麻都有联邦合同,
: 用联邦的钱喂给ICC，这是政客
: 们最怕老美知道的。 老美知道
: 就会闹他们。
: call Donna Conroy@Bright Future Jobs
: 773-764-5865
|
x****o
发帖数: 29677 | 4
不被炒的时候，都不care，上次在hunting版某人还说什么老中面试就要一碗水端平。
。。好像就是MS的
【在 m******n 的大作中提到】
: 这个我不得不说，平时没见这么多对策，等到被裁了才各种不满，
: 是不是稍微晚了一点？
: 当然我不是说我们不应该抗击ICC，只是要早，各位还没被裁的
: 也要生于忧患。
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o**********e
发帖数: 18403 | 5 jobhunting, Sanfrancisco一直在说微软
被ICC寄生了的现实和对策。
可是西雅图版我6个月被封杀多余3个月，
你们西雅图版上没听说可怪不了我。 |
d******w
发帖数: 2213 | |
f****p
发帖数: 18483 | |
o**********e
发帖数: 18403 | 8 indian contractor companies,
infosys, tata consulting (tcs), HCL,
wipro, cognizant, accenture |
o**********e
发帖数: 18403 | |
f****p
发帖数: 18483 | 10 卧槽，这个大扫除一定得做，不做美国就完了！
【在 o**********e 的大作中提到】
: indian contractor companies,
: infosys, tata consulting (tcs), HCL,
: wipro, cognizant, accenture
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o**********e
发帖数: 18403 | 11 是呀。 到boiling point了。
老中要跟老美建立斗争的默契。
IBM都在反烙印了。 IBM跟Apple
联盟（enterprise mobile market）
实际是打了撒剔牙"Mobile First,
Productivity First"华丽丽一大耳光。
请进来看IBM内部烙印老美较量无声：
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Seattle/33056121.html
微软老美老中要团结跟上！
反烙印ICC和撒剔牙势在必行，
跟烙印同流合污是不智的选择！
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Seattle/33062895.html |
a***n
发帖数: 623 | 12 据我所知lz确实一直在西版、SF版和JH版呼吁，不过似乎在西版常年被封……
其实我也想说，到裁员了才知道团结和反抗的，未免太迟。。。 |
o**********e
发帖数: 18403 | 13 谢谢仗义执言！
很多无知老美把老中被跟烙印捆绑起来一起挨骂。
这就是老中习惯沉默不选SIDE的后果。
其实老中在微软是决定性的少数民族10%。
老中支持老美，其实就可以
完胜烙印40%。 反之老美也胜不了。
所以老中本来可以在微软抗衡烙印
成功发展壮大自己势力。
可惜老中拆台的人太多， 更多自砍手脚
自哑喉舌，还让自己被烙印的政治正确绑架，
便玩出现在这个尴尬场面。
虽然晚，但是亡羊补牢，不算太晚。
G家今天出新闻了，烙印大头滚蛋了！
这是好消息。 G家反烙印的斗争也暗潮汹涌，
3个月来，滚蛋了2个烙印大头。
坏消息是，等我回来再聊。
【在 a***n 的大作中提到】
: 据我所知lz确实一直在西版、SF版和JH版呼吁，不过似乎在西版常年被封……
: 其实我也想说，到裁员了才知道团结和反抗的，未免太迟。。。
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M*******a
发帖数: 1633 | 14 那个软软老中有这个骨气敢town hall问纳德拉这个问题？really doubt
我软老中只管哪里有coupon哪里有deal吧
-----------------
撒剔牙一边计划裁员，一边继续给Infosys续约。
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tech/tech-news/Infosys-wins-
这是什么高大上的节奏？ 希望微软今天有人
问问Nutella。 |
N*D
发帖数: 3641 | 15 最后一句太幽默了。。。
【在 o**********e 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢仗义执言！
: 很多无知老美把老中被跟烙印捆绑起来一起挨骂。
: 这就是老中习惯沉默不选SIDE的后果。
: 其实老中在微软是决定性的少数民族10%。
: 老中支持老美，其实就可以
: 完胜烙印40%。 反之老美也胜不了。
: 所以老中本来可以在微软抗衡烙印
: 成功发展壮大自己势力。
: 可惜老中拆台的人太多， 更多自砍手脚
: 自哑喉舌，还让自己被烙印的政治正确绑架，
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o**********e
发帖数: 18403 | 16 其实我不希望老中来公开问这种针对性的问题。
“较量无声”，该大胆的大胆，该谨慎的谨慎。
应该去老美论坛匿名问这些问题。
应该去帮老美组织起义，lawsuit.
老中该拿出点志气出来，既要维护
自己的名誉，又要反对烙印这种IT
侵略行为， 不要怕事才会没有事。 |
f****p
发帖数: 18483 | 17 尼玛老中的嫉妒心得去去了，不然团结个鸡巴！
【在 o**********e 的大作中提到】
: 其实我不希望老中来公开问这种针对性的问题。
: “较量无声”，该大胆的大胆，该谨慎的谨慎。
: 应该去老美论坛匿名问这些问题。
: 应该去帮老美组织起义，lawsuit.
: 老中该拿出点志气出来，既要维护
: 自己的名誉，又要反对烙印这种IT
: 侵略行为， 不要怕事才会没有事。
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o**********e
发帖数: 18403 | 18 G家今天出新闻了，烙印大头滚蛋了！
这是好消息。 G家反烙印的斗争也暗潮汹涌，
3个月来，滚蛋了2个烙印大头。
坏消息是：该大头去Softbank了，
就是ALI的大股东。 不过呢，
他语言文化不同，请老中们
磨好唇枪舌剑，口蜜腹剑，
给老中大头们打好心理预防针，
好好接待他和他的烙印登陆军。
G烙印帮一度有4大头，现在剩2大头了。
值得庆贺。 较量无声,
请看其他公司反烙印的
迹象：
http://www.mitbbs.com/article0/NewYork/32835049_0.html
老中要聪明一点，站好队，
跟老美老中建立斗争烙印的默契。
小心不要被烙印献祭了，
准备好墙倒众人推，
烙印大头滚了要拔除爪牙干净点，
不要手软。 |
o**********e
发帖数: 18403 | 19 老美实际上targetted attack专家。
移民改革就是加H1B，但是不准4-5个用的最多
ICC申请。（这几个每一个都差不多搬运6000H1B/年，
跟老中全部差不多了） 老美知道美国需要H1B，但是
70-80%烙印？ 他们也知道烙印game the system,
需要收拾。
其他无数国家H1B，像北欧，东欧，中国，都没有
烙印这恶性，老中必须参与反烙印，可免误伤。
老中不参与反烙印，反而容易被别的国家来误伤。
剩下的我就不说了。 我说话不是中规中举，
但是希望my point gets across. 谢谢批评。 |
o**********e
发帖数: 18403 | 20 A really good anonymous comment on minimsft:
On the H1B's, it isn't just about being a racist scumbag
on one side and an idealistic liberal pushover on the
other.
1) There IS a problem with cronyism, especially among the
Indians. Indian hiring managers disproportionately hire
other Indians. You all know this.
2) And there's the problem with fake resumes and fake
phone interviews.
3) And then there are the studies that have been done
showing that yes, as a matter of fact, the US does
actually produce lots and lots of STEM grads every year,
supposedly more than enough to fill whatever openings
there are among tech firms.
4) But lots of those people are tied to their local areas
whereas foreign tech workers are willing to relocate
thousands of miles.
5) And then there are statistics that claim 800K or more
foreign tech workers have come to the US in the last 10
years and tech companies keep saying they want more, more,
more. As an American, you start to wonder what's going on?
Is it really the case that none of those jobs could be
filled by a qualified American worker?
6) And then there's the common sense eyeball test. Just
take a walk across campus.
7) My own personal anecdote: I've worked with Indians at
MS on H1Bs through Tata, Advaiya, etc., that barely knew
how to use a computer. Granted, that isn't usually the
case, but when you see that sort of abuse of the system,
it sticks with you.
8) The vast majority of Indians and other foreign workers
I've worked with have been great.
9) It's good for all of us to bring the best and brightest
to the US, but given what we know, how likely is it that
this is what's really happening? Why isn't there room for
reasonable people to talk about removing abuse from the
system? |
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o**********e
发帖数: 18403 | |
o**********e
发帖数: 18403 | 22 minisft 很多老美很有见解,
说烙印 50%以上不是"diversity".
把这些话转到各个别的微软(前)
员工多的网页上. 杀伤力很大.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Almost twenty years ago, when I started my career, Indians were already
present, and most of them were top-notch engineers and nice to work with.
The Indians/non-Indians ratio was about 10%. Twenty years later, I work at a
"ware" company (that hires many ex-softies), and have become amazed that
Indians are now everywhere, from engineering to PM to test to management.
Their work quality has gone downstream, and younger ones are truly subpar.
The ratio now is more than 95% as this company has swiftly transitioned from
an American company to become a full-grown Indian company during the 5
years I've been here. What makes the "ware" company an Indian one instead of
of American? The unbearable level of micromanagement, non-stop political
infighting that results to more Indians moving to the top, long and
unfocused meetings, bureaucracy, and the lack of creativity and innovation.
Everybody now plays nice and safe by the book, not to mention speaking
broken English with the lacks of "a/an/the" and the confusion between "few"
and "a few". The internal mailing list is occupied with more and more
inquiries demanding top quality goods and services for the lowest possible
prices.
I have no problems with Indians in the workforce as long as their ratio
isn't too astounding that it jeopardizes diversity. This is a real problem
in the tech industry nowadays, especially in Silicon Valley. Even more
disturbing, the overwhelming of Indians isn't merit-based, but largely from
their in-network efforts of helping one another. The system is being abused
yet others have failed to see it for being politically incorrect or being
afraid to speak the truth. I don't endorse the racist crap being spewed here
against Indians, but I would encourage others to speak up the abuse of the
system put forth my the old network of corrupt Indians.
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Anonymous said...
First: Microsoft is absolutely getting rid of older employees. Several
in my group were let go about a year ago, and it was definitely age-based.
They were stellar performers even in their 50s and 60s. Of course they
signed the "will not sue" clause to get the severance package. What choice
did they have?
Second: Go to the internal Who site and look at Satya's numbers for open
positions, employees, vendors, and CSGs. Very interesting ratios.
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Anonymous said...
Working at Microsoft for over a decade the racist comments here aren't
from MSFT or ex-MSFT. Our coworkers be they French, Indian, Chinese,
Japanese, Brazilian, or from South King County are our friends. (Yes that
last category could shower more often.)
Anonymous said... in reply
Anon at 7:50 PM with stats and figures, do not bother these Seattle
libtards with such mundane details. The one French, 2 Russians, 5 Americans,
15 Chinese, and 125 Indians on a given team are our friends and co-workers.
Diversity is our strength. These dimwits go to their homes in 97% white
neighborhoods, observe diversity from a safe distance, and then pat
themselves in the back for being progressive and shame everyone else for
being racists. And when Rajeev and Kumar move to their neighborhood, they
are amongst the first to leave.
You bums are the main reason this company and the USA as a whole is on a
fast track to third world hellhole status.
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IT worker said...
IT out sourcing cost more. I am working in a big consulting firm. Saw
many examples in recent several years. Bunch of cheating.
I don't want to key in my name because the leadership is bought by India!
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o**********e
发帖数: 18403 | 23 ------------------------
I heard recently WinSE (a big team in India) shutdown their business and
most of the moron DEV/TEST got chance to get L1/L2 visa and work for US
division. The other highly ranked politician and people with no talent aka
senior management to different roles. The PM quality there is worst then
Infosys newbie who just do a time keeper job. Riyaz and Siva are the best
example of worst PM. Dev effort mostly revolves around the politics between
Govinda, Anubhav + some mediocre Dev Leads. And test with no testing sense
Shilpa promoted to Principal.
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"Those of you posting the racist diatribes here are not Microsoft employees;
you are long-term unemployed who desperately need someone to blame for your
own inability to cut it in the modern world."
Does your shit stink over in your version of liberal ignorance-land?
You are actually the worst of the worst. You want to feel superior so bad
you pull the wool over your own eyes. Just because you don't approve of
something doesn't mean it isn't happening.
The rest of WA knows that Redmond is "little India". Meanwhile all the newly
jobless American citizens can be glad that MS is supporting diversity by
pushing for more H1Bs.
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Anonymous said...
"On the H1B's, it isn't just about being a racist scumbag
on one side and an idealistic liberal pushover on the other"
This guy summed it up perfectly.
Mr sensitive needs to stop embracing his ignorance. The abuse is rampant
and obvious. No wonder he's been laid off multiple times
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I am a business manager in SMSG and let me tell you that nobody is safe in
our org. Deep cuts are coming after the review. If you are remote... I'd say
start looking for a billable, field role. The deepest cuts are coming to
CTS support org. I gleaned this off of documents passing by me which talk
about outsourcing vendor hiring.
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Anonymous said...
To all the race baiters out there: Microsoft has always been an
international work place, lots of East Europeans and Chinese and Northern
Europeans and Canadians.
There were competition but balance.
You are angry about South Asians angry about Indian partners and Indian
vendors and Indian contractors bringing H1bs with fake resumes by planeloads
and failing to deliver.
That's fair But try not to make more enemies by screaming racist
comments to other international people who might actually help you organize
an effective resistance. Alright?
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Anonymous said...
As of today, contractors can only work with a Microsoft badge for 18
months, then they have to not be a on a MS for 6 months. So if you come to
the US, you'd better be planning to go back. It is not a permanent
assignment.
Cut them all. Get lost. Drop Infosys, Tata and HCL immediately. Or they
will find some other way to abuse the system, by becoming FTE or managers to
provide more valuable services for our Great Brahmin in the Sky
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Anonymous said...
Microsoft actually sponsors few H1Bs, 2000 of them spread over many
different nationalities.
It's Indian vendors like Infosys, Tata, HCL, Mindtree who hire like 90%
Indian and brings over almost 150,000 H1b a year to America and eat the
America's IT industry (total 2 million jobs) from the bone. Some of them are
being investigated for discriminating against Americans and visa fraud.
Microsoft awards huge contracts to these Indian vendors. All the other
vendors, East Asian, East Europeans, barely scratch a living.
If diversity is real, then wouldn't East Asians and East Europeans be
more competitive? Nope.
Fake resumes, fake interviews, visa factory and nepotism in the Indian
subcontinent drives out all the competitors.
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o**********e
发帖数: 18403 | |
d**y
发帖数: 18174 | 25 "And just as it is not always true what is good for General Motors is good
for America, likewise, what may be good for Mr. Adelson and Mr. Microsoft
and Mr. Buffett is not always in accord with what is good for the American
people. I know that. They are free to express their opinion, but I am going
to push back,"
被裁掉的人里非公民有多少？这部分人应该允许微软再雇“highly skilled foreign
workers ”来置换。
【在 o**********e 的大作中提到】
: 参议院议员大骂微软裁员和H1B：
: http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9249837/U.S._Senator_bla
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o**********e
发帖数: 18403 | 26 你这不是替烙印撞枪口吗?
1. 先支持老美把烙印CC,烙印管理
从微软赶走.
2 然后再替勤垦老实的老中说话,
用巨大蓬勃的老中IT市场来说服老美.
反过来则完全行不通. |
o**********e
发帖数: 18403 | 27 很多其他公司的老中伸出援手!
西雅图老中要加油! |
o**********e
发帖数: 18403 | |
o**********e
发帖数: 18403 | |
p********6
发帖数: 1339 | 30 老中里面这种人太多了。骂他一句傻逼都是抬举了。
没办法，既然知道前人如此不堪，我辈能做的只能是提高自己了。
【在 x****o 的大作中提到】
:
: 不被炒的时候，都不care，上次在hunting版某人还说什么老中面试就要一碗水端平。
: 。。好像就是MS的
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发帖数: 18403 | |
o**********e
发帖数: 18403 | |
o**********e
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