x*******2
发帖数: 5333 | 1 尤其是黑道，感觉为了控制速度大腿就比较用劲。搞得今天最后一轮大腿外侧都快抽筋
了。怎么改进啊？ |
y*****y
发帖数: 3433 | 2 skid太多了，要练carve turn
【在 x*******2 的大作中提到】
: 尤其是黑道，感觉为了控制速度大腿就比较用劲。搞得今天最后一轮大腿外侧都快抽筋
: 了。怎么改进啊？
|
O****e
发帖数: 3290 | 3 And, Go back to blue.
【在 x*******2 的大作中提到】
: 尤其是黑道，感觉为了控制速度大腿就比较用劲。搞得今天最后一轮大腿外侧都快抽筋
: 了。怎么改进啊？
|
s*******r
发帖数: 1285 | 4 Before answering your question, I would like to know what approach that you
use for skiing on the black trail? Wedge or parallel?
【在 x*******2 的大作中提到】
: 尤其是黑道，感觉为了控制速度大腿就比较用劲。搞得今天最后一轮大腿外侧都快抽筋
: 了。怎么改进啊？
|
x*******2
发帖数: 5333 | 5 我觉得我是parallel啊。如果我雪板和下山线角度小的话，而且重心转换比较快的话，
大腿就没事。但是这样速度很快，有点怕。所以我就把角度打得大了一点，到了最后一
轮就特别紧绷。也可能跟我连续滑4个小时没休息有关？
you
【在 s*******r 的大作中提到】
: Before answering your question, I would like to know what approach that you
: use for skiing on the black trail? Wedge or parallel?
|
x*******2
发帖数: 5333 | 6 skid是什么意思？我觉得是不是下山走的曲线是像是>而不是|,所以比较累？
【在 y*****y 的大作中提到】
: skid太多了，要练carve turn
|
x*******2
发帖数: 5333 | 7 感觉blue已经没问题了啊，可以左右重心转换得很快的滑下来
【在 O****e 的大作中提到】
: And, Go back to blue.
|
s*******r
发帖数: 1285 | 8 Based on the information of your response posts to yccyccy and OnEdge, I
would suggest you go back to practice on blue trails. Taking some lessons
will be very helpful. I will be more than happy to assist if you are in my
area.
When you talk about "把角度打得大了一点", I am not quite sure what that
really means. I suspect that you increase the wedge angle between two skis
to reduce the speed. If so, you are still skiing in the mode of wedge turn.
After practicing wedge turn on blue runs, your next step up will be wedge
christie. Even that, it still has many stages before the pure parallel.
【在 x*******2 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得我是parallel啊。如果我雪板和下山线角度小的话，而且重心转换比较快的话，
: 大腿就没事。但是这样速度很快，有点怕。所以我就把角度打得大了一点，到了最后一
: 轮就特别紧绷。也可能跟我连续滑4个小时没休息有关？
:
: you
|
d**p
发帖数: 1800 | 9 我觉得他没有wedge了，是平行skid下来的。陡坡刹得太厉害，腿就累了
多去兰道练练，开始学carving吧 |
s*******r
发帖数: 1285 | 10 Another thing is about your "重心转换", if you laterally change your CM (
center of mass), that is not correct. There should be no such thing about "
重心转换" presuming that you are not an advanced skier. For advanced skiers
, the "重心转换" happens only in for and aft mode.
【在 x*******2 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得我是parallel啊。如果我雪板和下山线角度小的话，而且重心转换比较快的话，
: 大腿就没事。但是这样速度很快，有点怕。所以我就把角度打得大了一点，到了最后一
: 轮就特别紧绷。也可能跟我连续滑4个小时没休息有关？
:
: you
|
|
|
x*******2
发帖数: 5333 | 11 我说的角度大一点是说双板和下山的方向的夹角。我这个角度有点大当速度快起来，这
样我速度就可以减下来了。但结果就是感觉腿很累。
my
skis
turn.
【在 s*******r 的大作中提到】
: Based on the information of your response posts to yccyccy and OnEdge, I
: would suggest you go back to practice on blue trails. Taking some lessons
: will be very helpful. I will be more than happy to assist if you are in my
: area.
: When you talk about "把角度打得大了一点", I am not quite sure what that
: really means. I suspect that you increase the wedge angle between two skis
: to reduce the speed. If so, you are still skiing in the mode of wedge turn.
: After practicing wedge turn on blue runs, your next step up will be wedge
: christie. Even that, it still has many stages before the pure parallel.
|
x*******2
发帖数: 5333 | 12 我觉得要是往右下走，我重量基本在右脚上。然后在往左下，重心就转到左脚上，都是
外侧脚。身体也是顺势倾斜，然后慢慢往另外一个方向倾斜。
"
skiers
【在 s*******r 的大作中提到】
: Another thing is about your "重心转换", if you laterally change your CM (
: center of mass), that is not correct. There should be no such thing about "
: 重心转换" presuming that you are not an advanced skier. For advanced skiers
: , the "重心转换" happens only in for and aft mode.
|
x*******2
发帖数: 5333 | 13 我突然想到另外一个可能的原因。我下坡的时候上身比较低，就是膝盖可能晚得比较多
了，这样重量很大一部分落在大腿上了。如果我直起身子，就轻松很多。不知道是不是
原因呢？
【在 d**p 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得他没有wedge了，是平行skid下来的。陡坡刹得太厉害，腿就累了
: 多去兰道练练，开始学carving吧
|
s*******r
发帖数: 1285 | 14 Now I see what's going on. Yes, I agree with other posts that you were
skidding.
【在 x*******2 的大作中提到】
: 我说的角度大一点是说双板和下山的方向的夹角。我这个角度有点大当速度快起来，这
: 样我速度就可以减下来了。但结果就是感觉腿很累。
:
: my
: skis
: turn.
|
s*******r
发帖数: 1285 | 15 This one is not correct. You just did the opposite way. Your weight should
be mostly on the outside ski. The weight distribution should be outside/
inside = around 70%/30%.
If you "往右下走" (2 o'clock direction), your weight should be on your left
ski. And vice versa.
【在 x*******2 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得要是往右下走，我重量基本在右脚上。然后在往左下，重心就转到左脚上，都是
: 外侧脚。身体也是顺势倾斜，然后慢慢往另外一个方向倾斜。
:
: "
: skiers
|
E******g
发帖数: 107 | 16 跟我一样。去whistler第三天都滑不动了
【在 x*******2 的大作中提到】
: 尤其是黑道，感觉为了控制速度大腿就比较用劲。搞得今天最后一轮大腿外侧都快抽筋
: 了。怎么改进啊？
|
d**p
发帖数: 1800 | 17 你把膝盖直起来试试，如果能下坡，也不累，那就解决问题了
【在 x*******2 的大作中提到】
: 我突然想到另外一个可能的原因。我下坡的时候上身比较低，就是膝盖可能晚得比较多
: 了，这样重量很大一部分落在大腿上了。如果我直起身子，就轻松很多。不知道是不是
: 原因呢？
|
x*******2
发帖数: 5333 | 18 我觉得你说得很可能就是原因。因为我的重心刚好在相反的脚上，比如我往2点的方向
，我的重心在我的右脚上。相比我的左脚，我右脚膝盖刚好弯曲比较多，所以就特别的
累。如果重心在左脚，膝盖弯曲比较少，所以就会轻松很多。反之亦然。我觉得这个就
是原因了？？去年因为山矮，所以没什么感觉。今年道长了，所以就感觉很明显累这样滑
should
left
【在 s*******r 的大作中提到】
: This one is not correct. You just did the opposite way. Your weight should
: be mostly on the outside ski. The weight distribution should be outside/
: inside = around 70%/30%.
: If you "往右下走" (2 o'clock direction), your weight should be on your left
: ski. And vice versa.
|
c*******r
发帖数: 13580 | 19 拍个video大家分析一下
【在 x*******2 的大作中提到】
: 感觉blue已经没问题了啊，可以左右重心转换得很快的滑下来
|
O****e
发帖数: 3290 | 20 你说的有道理，但还是隔着一层窗户纸，没看到问题本质。The fundamental problem
is that your legs are in a tightened mode for a much longer period than it
should be like a spring in a compression mode. That is the ultimate reason
your legs are tired very quickly. You need to learn how to release it at the
right moment and then reengage it. But, this is exactly the bottle neck
many intermediate even advanced skiers could not get through. Yes, they can
get down double diamond moguls and ski trees. But, they don't ski like a pro
. Until you get that rhythm of release and engage, your legs will get tired
sooner than it should be if not on dry snow for sure on wet snow especially
those with piles of wet snow around.
Well then how do you get this feeling and break the bottle neck. Frankly
speaking, you should get this feeling on green when you first learn ski in
the very beginning. And, then practice it on blue. Unfortunately, most of us
including myself wanted to rush to blue and black quickly so that we don't
lose face in front our friends. And we lost the best moment to learn it
correctly before we collected lots of bad habits. I learned it the hard way.
The release is exactly the first critical step of making the turn. However,
I won't waste my time and your time to tell you how you do it correctly here
because there are tons of books and websites that teach you how. For
example, the one suggested by dgdp is a good one. The point is whether you
paid respect to the practice they suggested on green or blue and paid enough
attention to the details they mentioned.
Hope my experience help.
【在 x*******2 的大作中提到】
: 我突然想到另外一个可能的原因。我下坡的时候上身比较低，就是膝盖可能晚得比较多
: 了，这样重量很大一部分落在大腿上了。如果我直起身子，就轻松很多。不知道是不是
: 原因呢？
|
|
|
N**D
发帖数: 10322 | 21 这个是不是反了
向右转，重心在downhill foot, should be left leg
【在 x*******2 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得要是往右下走，我重量基本在右脚上。然后在往左下，重心就转到左脚上，都是
: 外侧脚。身体也是顺势倾斜，然后慢慢往另外一个方向倾斜。
:
: "
: skiers
|
x*******2
发帖数: 5333 | 22 是反了，可能是我觉得累的原因之一。
【在 N**D 的大作中提到】
: 这个是不是反了
: 向右转，重心在downhill foot, should be left leg
|
x*******2
发帖数: 5333 | 23 感谢指点。下次回兰道好好纠正
problem
the
can
pro
tired
especially
【在 O****e 的大作中提到】
: 你说的有道理，但还是隔着一层窗户纸，没看到问题本质。The fundamental problem
: is that your legs are in a tightened mode for a much longer period than it
: should be like a spring in a compression mode. That is the ultimate reason
: your legs are tired very quickly. You need to learn how to release it at the
: right moment and then reengage it. But, this is exactly the bottle neck
: many intermediate even advanced skiers could not get through. Yes, they can
: get down double diamond moguls and ski trees. But, they don't ski like a pro
: . Until you get that rhythm of release and engage, your legs will get tired
: sooner than it should be if not on dry snow for sure on wet snow especially
: those with piles of wet snow around.
|
d****r
发帖数: 300 | 24 这是正解。把膝盖直起来的效果是用你身体的重量去压雪板。当膝盖弯的时候，你是用
大腿肌肉产生的力压雪板。当然在黑道上你能不能敢不敢把膝盖直起来是一道坎。
【在 d**p 的大作中提到】
: 你把膝盖直起来试试，如果能下坡，也不累，那就解决问题了
|
s*******r
发帖数: 1285 | 25 Yep. This was what caused your problem, and you can skip other posts and
read no more because most poeple really don't know what they are talking
about. If you post your question on epic, they will tell you exactly the
same answer as I told you.
样滑
【在 x*******2 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得你说得很可能就是原因。因为我的重心刚好在相反的脚上，比如我往2点的方向
: ，我的重心在我的右脚上。相比我的左脚，我右脚膝盖刚好弯曲比较多，所以就特别的
: 累。如果重心在左脚，膝盖弯曲比较少，所以就会轻松很多。反之亦然。我觉得这个就
: 是原因了？？去年因为山矮，所以没什么感觉。今年道长了，所以就感觉很明显累这样滑
:
: should
: left
|
E******g
发帖数: 107 | 26 今天仔细找了这个release的感觉，还挺有用。
【在 x*******2 的大作中提到】
: 感谢指点。下次回兰道好好纠正
:
: problem
: the
: can
: pro
: tired
: especially
|
x*******2
发帖数: 5333 | 27 周六又去了一次。我的重心是对的，我帖子写反了。我觉得主要问题还是在于我膝盖弯
的太多了。我看了一些人的从黑道下，感觉他们双板距离很小，膝盖弯一点，而我弯的
比较多，板间距离比较多，这个是不是个人喜好，还是也要改？原以为来了CO冰会少一
点，结果发现冰还是挺多，尤其是黑道.... |
h***y
发帖数: 1657 | 28 你那是superG滑法吧。弯转的不够频繁，所以冲起来速度很快。
【在 x*******2 的大作中提到】
: 周六又去了一次。我的重心是对的，我帖子写反了。我觉得主要问题还是在于我膝盖弯
: 的太多了。我看了一些人的从黑道下，感觉他们双板距离很小，膝盖弯一点，而我弯的
: 比较多，板间距离比较多，这个是不是个人喜好，还是也要改？原以为来了CO冰会少一
: 点，结果发现冰还是挺多，尤其是黑道....
|
s*******r
发帖数: 1285 | 29 About "双板距离很小", how narrow? Too narrow is old school. New school is
natual stance. About "膝盖弯一点", you won't be able to see the subtle
movement from your level. If it is dynamic skiing, it's not only "弯一点".
I strongly suggest you taking some lessons. A pro can see your problem
right away and save your time and money. I'd be glad to assist if you are
in my area.
【在 x*******2 的大作中提到】
: 周六又去了一次。我的重心是对的，我帖子写反了。我觉得主要问题还是在于我膝盖弯
: 的太多了。我看了一些人的从黑道下，感觉他们双板距离很小，膝盖弯一点，而我弯的
: 比较多，板间距离比较多，这个是不是个人喜好，还是也要改？原以为来了CO冰会少一
: 点，结果发现冰还是挺多，尤其是黑道....
|
s*******r
发帖数: 1285 | 30 Another possible cause was that you did not push your shinbones agains the
boot tongues so that it caused you back seated. When you were in backseat
position, it was hard for you to keep balance, so you wanted to use more
force from your outside leg muscle to stablize your center of mass. My
explanation is hard for you to understand, but bring this to any pro in your
resort, and they will tell you what happened.
【在 x*******2 的大作中提到】
: 周六又去了一次。我的重心是对的，我帖子写反了。我觉得主要问题还是在于我膝盖弯
: 的太多了。我看了一些人的从黑道下，感觉他们双板距离很小，膝盖弯一点，而我弯的
: 比较多，板间距离比较多，这个是不是个人喜好，还是也要改？原以为来了CO冰会少一
: 点，结果发现冰还是挺多，尤其是黑道....
|
|
|
x*******2
发帖数: 5333 | 31 我在boulder，是不是很远啊
is
【在 s*******r 的大作中提到】
: About "双板距离很小", how narrow? Too narrow is old school. New school is
: natual stance. About "膝盖弯一点", you won't be able to see the subtle
: movement from your level. If it is dynamic skiing, it's not only "弯一点".
: I strongly suggest you taking some lessons. A pro can see your problem
: right away and save your time and money. I'd be glad to assist if you are
: in my area.
|
s*******r
发帖数: 1285 | 32 Sorry ... too far!
【在 x*******2 的大作中提到】
: 我在boulder，是不是很远啊
:
: is
|
b*w
发帖数: 2062 | 33 给lz推荐一套免费教程：
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=learn+to+ski.dk&aq=f
或者搜索
learn to ski.dk
看看你在哪一步？wedge、平行滑、能做short turn吗？等等
problem
the
can
pro
tired
especially
【在 O****e 的大作中提到】
: 你说的有道理，但还是隔着一层窗户纸，没看到问题本质。The fundamental problem
: is that your legs are in a tightened mode for a much longer period than it
: should be like a spring in a compression mode. That is the ultimate reason
: your legs are tired very quickly. You need to learn how to release it at the
: right moment and then reengage it. But, this is exactly the bottle neck
: many intermediate even advanced skiers could not get through. Yes, they can
: get down double diamond moguls and ski trees. But, they don't ski like a pro
: . Until you get that rhythm of release and engage, your legs will get tired
: sooner than it should be if not on dry snow for sure on wet snow especially
: those with piles of wet snow around.
|
d**p
发帖数: 1800 | |
