a***y
发帖数: 19743 | 1 http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/0,39029471,49301219,00.htm
Windows版。
Windows版的外观不再是苹果自己的风格，和系统风格统一了。
默认也采用Windows默认字体渲染模式了。当然如果你喜欢还是可以改成苹果自己的渲
染模式。
喜欢Chrome的不妨试试看
http://www.apple.com/safari/download/
BTW, Chrome用的Safari的html渲染内核 |
c*****t
发帖数: 1879 | 2 Do you actually believe any browser is 42x faster than the other?
The number itself is a strong indication of serious testing issue.
AND Apple is known to tweak performance numbers (like N years ago
apple cited a test to claim PowerPC was faster than Intel CPU,
but actually it was because the test specifically tweaked the library
used for PowerPC to remove lots of checks that were present in the
test for intel CPUs).
The article didn't say anything specific, although they did mention
that they u
【在 a***y 的大作中提到】
: http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/0,39029471,49301219,00.htm
: Windows版。
: Windows版的外观不再是苹果自己的风格，和系统风格统一了。
: 默认也采用Windows默认字体渲染模式了。当然如果你喜欢还是可以改成苹果自己的渲
: 染模式。
: 喜欢Chrome的不妨试试看
: http://www.apple.com/safari/download/
: BTW, Chrome用的Safari的html渲染内核
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a***y
发帖数: 19743 | 3 If you have used some really heavy Javascript web app, you will immediately
notice the difference.
In minefield, or Safari, for example, in MobileMe.com's calander web app,
you click something, a tab will animate and pop out, it is instant in these
two browsers. However, even you use the latest Opera weekly, it will still
take about 2 seconds and more on a slow machine.
And these Javascript speed is something worth optimizing because Apple,
along with many other companies, see a future in web ap
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: Do you actually believe any browser is 42x faster than the other?
: The number itself is a strong indication of serious testing issue.
: AND Apple is known to tweak performance numbers (like N years ago
: apple cited a test to claim PowerPC was faster than Intel CPU,
: but actually it was because the test specifically tweaked the library
: used for PowerPC to remove lots of checks that were present in the
: test for intel CPUs).
: The article didn't say anything specific, although they did mention
: that they u
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a***y
发帖数: 19743 | 4 BTW, Safari did not omit anything. In fact, Safari supports more standards
than minefield or Opera. HTML5 and many new advanced CSS3 features are
supported for the first time ever. Safar/webkit is the first to pass Acid2
and Acid3 test. Also one of the first to support SVG animation
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: Do you actually believe any browser is 42x faster than the other?
: The number itself is a strong indication of serious testing issue.
: AND Apple is known to tweak performance numbers (like N years ago
: apple cited a test to claim PowerPC was faster than Intel CPU,
: but actually it was because the test specifically tweaked the library
: used for PowerPC to remove lots of checks that were present in the
: test for intel CPUs).
: The article didn't say anything specific, although they did mention
: that they u
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c*****t
发帖数: 1879 | 5 Passing acid tests is only HALF of the story. It only means
HTML / CSS on the surface worked mostly correctly.
There are a lot of ambiguities in CSS and HTML specifications
in specific areas. The problem gets worse when JavaScript is
involved in manipulating them. There are issues of reading
and writing DOM / CSS values. Safari sucks because of these
unfriendliness. Remember that gmail was last supported on
Safari after IE and Firefox?
Additionally, different browsers have different speed i
【在 a***y 的大作中提到】
: BTW, Safari did not omit anything. In fact, Safari supports more standards
: than minefield or Opera. HTML5 and many new advanced CSS3 features are
: supported for the first time ever. Safar/webkit is the first to pass Acid2
: and Acid3 test. Also one of the first to support SVG animation
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a***y
发帖数: 19743 | 6 It was last supported, because IE and Firefox have the majority of market
share.
However Safari now has significant market share, combined with Chrome,
people will make their service compatible. Esp. google.
and you mentioned different tests
But without you actually test it, it means nothing.
I am pretty sure Safari's performance is excellent when judged by different
browser benchmarks.
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: Passing acid tests is only HALF of the story. It only means
: HTML / CSS on the surface worked mostly correctly.
: There are a lot of ambiguities in CSS and HTML specifications
: in specific areas. The problem gets worse when JavaScript is
: involved in manipulating them. There are issues of reading
: and writing DOM / CSS values. Safari sucks because of these
: unfriendliness. Remember that gmail was last supported on
: Safari after IE and Firefox?
: Additionally, different browsers have different speed i
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c*****t
发帖数: 1879 | 7
Probably not the real reason. I once wrote a menu script which was
developed on IE and it worked pretty well on Firefox except minor
glitches. Then tested on Opera, only minor glitches. Then tested
on Safari, it failed completely (location of sub menus were just
plain wrong).
After a lot of testing and investigating, then found out that Safari
completely botched in supplying the correct information of some DOM / CSS
elements. It took significant efforts to develop a workaround that
estimate
【在 a***y 的大作中提到】
: It was last supported, because IE and Firefox have the majority of market
: share.
: However Safari now has significant market share, combined with Chrome,
: people will make their service compatible. Esp. google.
: and you mentioned different tests
: But without you actually test it, it means nothing.
: I am pretty sure Safari's performance is excellent when judged by different
: browser benchmarks.
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a***y
发帖数: 19743 | 8 Because you developed for IE, whose standard appliance is the worst among
ALL browsers, I am not convinced that your DOM /CSS script is "correct" or
standard.
Opera and Firefox are famous for rendering non-standard code just to look "
correct", and correct is defined by looking the same as IE.
Moreover, you mentioned your script has glitches on both Firefox and Opera.
I think this totally suggest the quality of your work: IE only.
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:
: Probably not the real reason. I once wrote a menu script which was
: developed on IE and it worked pretty well on Firefox except minor
: glitches. Then tested on Opera, only minor glitches. Then tested
: on Safari, it failed completely (location of sub menus were just
: plain wrong).
: After a lot of testing and investigating, then found out that Safari
: completely botched in supplying the correct information of some DOM / CSS
: elements. It took significant efforts to develop a workaround that
: estimate
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c*****t
发帖数: 1879 | 9 I guess that you are not a JavaScript developer, because you obviously
didn't know that no JavaScript code involves DOM / display can work
100% identical (pixel precise that is). You obviously didn't know
that CSS and HTML have many subtle places where interpretations can be
different. JS development always start out from a browser and then extends
to other browsers to address minor glitches (interpretation differences).
My menu script works for IE 5.5+ (heard also working on 5), NN 6+,
Firefo
【在 a***y 的大作中提到】
: Because you developed for IE, whose standard appliance is the worst among
: ALL browsers, I am not convinced that your DOM /CSS script is "correct" or
: standard.
: Opera and Firefox are famous for rendering non-standard code just to look "
: correct", and correct is defined by looking the same as IE.
: Moreover, you mentioned your script has glitches on both Firefox and Opera.
: I think this totally suggest the quality of your work: IE only.
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a***y
发帖数: 19743 | 10 多的不说了
你这个是什么时候的事情了？Safari 1和2的年代？？
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: I guess that you are not a JavaScript developer, because you obviously
: didn't know that no JavaScript code involves DOM / display can work
: 100% identical (pixel precise that is). You obviously didn't know
: that CSS and HTML have many subtle places where interpretations can be
: different. JS development always start out from a browser and then extends
: to other browsers to address minor glitches (interpretation differences).
: My menu script works for IE 5.5+ (heard also working on 5), NN 6+,
: Firefo
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c*****t
发帖数: 1879 | 11 多的不说了，你就不要给 apple 打广告了。
有一段时间了。不过当时 Apple 就说什么 100% standard compliant 的谎话。
基本上 Apple 说的话得看细节。
【在 a***y 的大作中提到】
: 多的不说了
: 你这个是什么时候的事情了？Safari 1和2的年代？？
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a***y
发帖数: 19743 | 12 请先证明你写的code符合标准
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: 多的不说了，你就不要给 apple 打广告了。
: 有一段时间了。不过当时 Apple 就说什么 100% standard compliant 的谎话。
: 基本上 Apple 说的话得看细节。
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c*****t
发帖数: 1879 | 13 lol，你没话说只好乱指摘 :)
你又不是 JS developer，你知道什么是标准么？
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: 请先证明你写的code符合标准
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C********n
发帖数: 6682 | 14 pretty sure both safari and chrome can be 42x faster than IE 7 |
a***y
发帖数: 19743 | 15 哈哈哈
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: lol，你没话说只好乱指摘 :)
: 你又不是 JS developer，你知道什么是标准么？
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r****y
发帖数: 26819 | 16 不用吵
safari3刚出来的时候不少人都觉得不错，后来就没什么动静了
浏览器都是用一段时间才能看出有没有问题，问题在哪
就像chrome，刚出来的时候也是万人抬头看，现在慢慢用的人就少了
反正不要钱，试一试总没问题，要是真的不错，也是好事
目前我觉得它从IE里share了不少东西，都不需要自己装java和flash的plugin
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: 多的不说了，你就不要给 apple 打广告了。
: 有一段时间了。不过当时 Apple 就说什么 100% standard compliant 的谎话。
: 基本上 Apple 说的话得看细节。
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r****y
发帖数: 26819 | 17 我做了一下javascript的一个速度测试
http://webkit.org/perf/sunspider-0.9/sunspider.html
safari4的速度看起来比firefox是快了不少
这个css compatibility 测试safari4可以全过：
http://www.css3.info/selectors-test/test.html
firefox没能全过
当然，最后还得看市场寿命。
【在 r****y 的大作中提到】
: 不用吵
: safari3刚出来的时候不少人都觉得不错，后来就没什么动静了
: 浏览器都是用一段时间才能看出有没有问题，问题在哪
: 就像chrome，刚出来的时候也是万人抬头看，现在慢慢用的人就少了
: 反正不要钱，试一试总没问题，要是真的不错，也是好事
: 目前我觉得它从IE里share了不少东西，都不需要自己装java和flash的plugin
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a***y
发帖数: 19743 | 18 Safari 3 的时候动静没这么大
【在 r****y 的大作中提到】
: 不用吵
: safari3刚出来的时候不少人都觉得不错，后来就没什么动静了
: 浏览器都是用一段时间才能看出有没有问题，问题在哪
: 就像chrome，刚出来的时候也是万人抬头看，现在慢慢用的人就少了
: 反正不要钱，试一试总没问题，要是真的不错，也是好事
: 目前我觉得它从IE里share了不少东西，都不需要自己装java和flash的plugin
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a***y
发帖数: 19743 | 19 webkit过acid3好久了
一个月前的firefox 3.1beta还没过
【在 r****y 的大作中提到】
: 我做了一下javascript的一个速度测试
: http://webkit.org/perf/sunspider-0.9/sunspider.html
: safari4的速度看起来比firefox是快了不少
: 这个css compatibility 测试safari4可以全过：
: http://www.css3.info/selectors-test/test.html
: firefox没能全过
: 当然，最后还得看市场寿命。
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a***y
发帖数: 19743 | 20 这个css测试
最新测试版的firefox和opera都可以过
另外你应该试一下
这个测试
http://v8.googlecode.com/svn/data/benchmarks/v3/run.html
Chrome也许比Safari快
【在 r****y 的大作中提到】
: 我做了一下javascript的一个速度测试
: http://webkit.org/perf/sunspider-0.9/sunspider.html
: safari4的速度看起来比firefox是快了不少
: 这个css compatibility 测试safari4可以全过：
: http://www.css3.info/selectors-test/test.html
: firefox没能全过
: 当然，最后还得看市场寿命。
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r****y
发帖数: 26819 | 21 chrome已经卸载了
不想再装了
呵呵
【在 a***y 的大作中提到】
: 这个css测试
: 最新测试版的firefox和opera都可以过
: 另外你应该试一下
: 这个测试
: http://v8.googlecode.com/svn/data/benchmarks/v3/run.html
: Chrome也许比Safari快
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r****y
发帖数: 26819 | 22 浏览器要看市场的可持续性
safari的主要对手是firefox
IE现在都是在非用不可的时候用，safari也没法抢
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: Safari 3 的时候动静没这么大
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a***y
发帖数: 19743 | 23
什么地方不好
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: chrome已经卸载了
: 不想再装了
: 呵呵
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r****y
发帖数: 26819 | 24 在这个版上说过了
flash的问题
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:
: 什么地方不好
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a***y
发帖数: 19743 | 25 Mac下用safari的还是最多的
不过看得出苹果企图增加windows下safari份额
现在webkit浏览器整体占有率差不多10%了
firefox也是花了很多年才到10%的
【在 r****y 的大作中提到】
: 浏览器要看市场的可持续性
: safari的主要对手是firefox
: IE现在都是在非用不可的时候用，safari也没法抢
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W***i
发帖数: 833 | 26 用了一下safari 4，发现是很快。不过，很关心拦截广告，发现有个Adblock的插件，
貌似只有OSX版本，有在Windows版本的拦截广告的插件么？
【在 a***y 的大作中提到】
: Mac下用safari的还是最多的
: 不过看得出苹果企图增加windows下safari份额
: 现在webkit浏览器整体占有率差不多10%了
: firefox也是花了很多年才到10%的
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a***y
发帖数: 19743 | 27 貌似没有
【在 W***i 的大作中提到】
: 用了一下safari 4，发现是很快。不过，很关心拦截广告，发现有个Adblock的插件，
: 貌似只有OSX版本，有在Windows版本的拦截广告的插件么？
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j*****h
发帖数: 2577 | 28 那就歇了
【在 a***y 的大作中提到】
: 貌似没有
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