t****y
发帖数: 545 | 1 If we start up in US, I think the first priority is to find a white business
person to be a partner. I don't think a Chinese startup can survive in this
culture and language environment.
Is there any good American startup website? maybe we can find partners there.
What do you think? |
c****i
发帖数: 625 | 2 too naïve. don't know what to say.
business
this
there.
【在 t****y 的大作中提到】
: If we start up in US, I think the first priority is to find a white business
: person to be a partner. I don't think a Chinese startup can survive in this
: culture and language environment.
: Is there any good American startup website? maybe we can find partners there.
: What do you think?
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t****y
发帖数: 545 | 3 just say say, what's your opinion?
【在 c****i 的大作中提到】
: too naïve. don't know what to say.
:
: business
: this
: there.
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b******y
发帖数: 9224 | 4
I agree. I think we Chinese can do just a good job compared to Americans.
For example, I've spent years honing in my English writing and speaking
skills, and I don't think I am inferior to any native speaking Americans in
terms of communication.
I've taken TOEFL couple of times in the past and have achieved very high
scores (640 back in the 90s). Also, I've co-authored a book on GRE word
study. How many Americans have taken GRE?
To be successful, we just need to go for it, rather than self-pity and think
that we are at an disadvantage compared to local people.
【在 c****i 的大作中提到】
: too naïve. don't know what to say.
:
: business
: this
: there.
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c****i
发帖数: 625 | 5 Here are your priorities:
1, build your product
2, find your first paid customer yourself
3, find your first 100 paid customers yourself
4, if you can scale to million dollars business, then worry about finding a
white guy
Finding a white guy at the beginning puts you in the path for failure.
【在 t****y 的大作中提到】
: just say say, what's your opinion?
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l*********d
发帖数: 38 | 6 how does your product has anything to do with color?
business
this
there.
【在 t****y 的大作中提到】
: If we start up in US, I think the first priority is to find a white business
: person to be a partner. I don't think a Chinese startup can survive in this
: culture and language environment.
: Is there any good American startup website? maybe we can find partners there.
: What do you think?
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t****y
发帖数: 545 | 7 大家别误会，我是觉得老中在美国刚开始做生意，要是打开市场，如果有个business很
强的本地人并有很强的sale技巧，打开市场容易些，就像欧美企业到中国做生意都倾向
找中国人做代理一个道理，没有其他意思，不要上纲上线。 |
c****i
发帖数: 625 | 8 过来人的话不听， 那你就试试。 有些话只能点到为止。
【在 t****y 的大作中提到】
: 大家别误会，我是觉得老中在美国刚开始做生意，要是打开市场，如果有个business很
: 强的本地人并有很强的sale技巧，打开市场容易些，就像欧美企业到中国做生意都倾向
: 找中国人做代理一个道理，没有其他意思，不要上纲上线。
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b******y
发帖数: 9224 | 9 楼上说的有道理。我给楼主分析一下吧。
不好意思，但我觉得找老美，就是有依赖心理的表现。这个我也曾经掉进过这种陷阱。
做biz，sales和marketing是最最重要的事情了，作为一个founder，这个是不能够外包
给别人的。责无旁贷。
至于你的business将来成长了，你可以找个老美小二替你做。但开始的时候，这个如果
你不做的话，恐怕这business就不是你自己的了。
销售和marketing，再难，也要自己做。这样，你才能够掌控好自己的business。
找老美和找合伙人，都存在同样的问题。需要好好鉴别，人品重要。如果感兴趣的话，
可以看看我写的这篇文章:
http://www.jiansnet.com/topic/27185/business-partner-fall-out |
l******n
发帖数: 9344 | 10 这叫wf
business
this
there.
【在 t****y 的大作中提到】
: If we start up in US, I think the first priority is to find a white business
: person to be a partner. I don't think a Chinese startup can survive in this
: culture and language environment.
: Is there any good American startup website? maybe we can find partners there.
: What do you think?
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 11 angellist.com
I have posted a job position (not a job, more like looking for a co-founder)
, I have received quite a few interests.
business
this
there.
【在 t****y 的大作中提到】
: If we start up in US, I think the first priority is to find a white business
: person to be a partner. I don't think a Chinese startup can survive in this
: culture and language environment.
: Is there any good American startup website? maybe we can find partners there.
: What do you think?
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 12 don't think it's naive. Every business is different.
【在 c****i 的大作中提到】
: 过来人的话不听， 那你就试试。 有些话只能点到为止。
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 13 no offfense. but care to share who you are or data to back you up you give
this confirmative conclusion?
a
【在 c****i 的大作中提到】
: Here are your priorities:
: 1, build your product
: 2, find your first paid customer yourself
: 3, find your first 100 paid customers yourself
: 4, if you can scale to million dollars business, then worry about finding a
: white guy
: Finding a white guy at the beginning puts you in the path for failure.
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 14 this is the reason I don't really like the way our Chinese "startup-centric"
people still talk like doing street talk.
【在 t****y 的大作中提到】
: 大家别误会，我是觉得老中在美国刚开始做生意，要是打开市场，如果有个business很
: 强的本地人并有很强的sale技巧，打开市场容易些，就像欧美企业到中国做生意都倾向
: 找中国人做代理一个道理，没有其他意思，不要上纲上线。
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 15 I don't agree.
If I am a technical person, I do want to find a partner in sales and
marketing, even I might be well qualified to do both. The reason is that
doing everything makes myself very hard being a team-player - I won't listen
to other's opinion, and none of others are a stack-holder so they don't
fucking care what I build; and most importantly, I am hurting the growth of
the business.
One of top VC investors have said, he basically won't invest one-man startup
because of the above reason.
As a Chinese, I completely understand how important "control" means. Most of
family business are owned by the family. Before we start to build anything,
we start to worry someone steals. We focus on so much "what if others steal
my idea, my product, my company." Really?! This is America.
I am very happy someone (I have met, talked) steals my idea, grow it and
make it big. Then I will sue him.
There are some one-man startups, such as Facebook, salesforce. by the way.
【在 b******y 的大作中提到】
: 楼上说的有道理。我给楼主分析一下吧。
: 不好意思，但我觉得找老美，就是有依赖心理的表现。这个我也曾经掉进过这种陷阱。
: 做biz，sales和marketing是最最重要的事情了，作为一个founder，这个是不能够外包
: 给别人的。责无旁贷。
: 至于你的business将来成长了，你可以找个老美小二替你做。但开始的时候，这个如果
: 你不做的话，恐怕这business就不是你自己的了。
: 销售和marketing，再难，也要自己做。这样，你才能够掌控好自己的business。
: 找老美和找合伙人，都存在同样的问题。需要好好鉴别，人品重要。如果感兴趣的话，
: 可以看看我写的这篇文章:
: http://www.jiansnet.com/topic/27185/business-partner-fall-out
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t****y
发帖数: 545 | 16 well said!
listen
of
startup
of
【在 ET 的大作中提到】
: I don't agree.
: If I am a technical person, I do want to find a partner in sales and
: marketing, even I might be well qualified to do both. The reason is that
: doing everything makes myself very hard being a team-player - I won't listen
: to other's opinion, and none of others are a stack-holder so they don't
: fucking care what I build; and most importantly, I am hurting the growth of
: the business.
: One of top VC investors have said, he basically won't invest one-man startup
: because of the above reason.
: As a Chinese, I completely understand how important "control" means. Most of
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b******y
发帖数: 9224 | 17
listen
of
startup
of
兄弟，business有不同的形式。老美也是讲究"control"的。我做business的体会是，
找风投啥的，花了很多力气，最后效果不一定好，还耽误了很多时间。另外，搞不好，
就被风投给剥削了。
做business，是个choice。你可以选择去找风投，但我看到的例子，大部分风投的企业
，最后ceo不一定就舒服。不如自己掌控enjoy life。
VC投资，当然是要投一个团队了，这个没错。但对于你自己来说，是否是最佳的选择，
这个你作为创业者，要想清楚。
做business，很多时候靠"悟", 我们作为过来人，只能点到为止。否则，多说无益。
这个是我最后一个帖子了，忙着做项目，路过看看而已。祝好吧。
【在 ET 的大作中提到】
: I don't agree.
: If I am a technical person, I do want to find a partner in sales and
: marketing, even I might be well qualified to do both. The reason is that
: doing everything makes myself very hard being a team-player - I won't listen
: to other's opinion, and none of others are a stack-holder so they don't
: fucking care what I build; and most importantly, I am hurting the growth of
: the business.
: One of top VC investors have said, he basically won't invest one-man startup
: because of the above reason.
: As a Chinese, I completely understand how important "control" means. Most of
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