m****r
发帖数: 5435 | 1 读了些书，做了有限的实验，决定以后不用option操作。
因为风险大不能上量。起伏大影响心态。 | s***m
发帖数: 6197 | 2 恩 找到合适自己的操作才有意思
【在 m****r 的大作中提到】
: 读了些书，做了有限的实验，决定以后不用option操作。
: 因为风险大不能上量。起伏大影响心态。
| p**********e
发帖数: 703 | 3 如果有超过90%的自信知道一支股票的走势, 敢上量吗 (option)?
【在 m****r 的大作中提到】
: 读了些书，做了有限的实验，决定以后不用option操作。
: 因为风险大不能上量。起伏大影响心态。
| m****r
发帖数: 5435 | 4
不敢。但股票敢。这就是我要做的。股票用时间买机会。
【在 p**********e 的大作中提到】
: 如果有超过90%的自信知道一支股票的走势, 敢上量吗 (option)?
| p**********e
发帖数: 703 | 5 Oh, from what I learned so far, using options for insurance might be a good
idea, but have not learned/calculated in what situation/volumes it would
work best, just imagining now...have to keep learning...
【在 m****r 的大作中提到】
: 读了些书，做了有限的实验，决定以后不用option操作。
: 因为风险大不能上量。起伏大影响心态。
| m****r
发帖数: 5435 | 6
months
你心太急了。机会到处都是。你看我本来都不想买啥，可是今天就在纠结几只股。
我认为要想get the most from an opportunity，就得上量。
option很复杂。我是喜欢简单。
option最等不起，所以你一贯的持股风格用在option会很惨。
如果你想试。建议用leap开始。用最简的call or put。观察其中股价，时间和你的
option之间的关系。其他控制风险的办法同时也限制了受益。
【在 p**********e 的大作中提到】
: Oh, from what I learned so far, using options for insurance might be a good
: idea, but have not learned/calculated in what situation/volumes it would
: work best, just imagining now...have to keep learning...
| m****r
发帖数: 5435 | 7
good
这个hedge的事儿，我也想过。如果你不心疼保险费，可以阿。另外，保费可能不便宜
。
【在 p**********e 的大作中提到】
: Oh, from what I learned so far, using options for insurance might be a good
: idea, but have not learned/calculated in what situation/volumes it would
: work best, just imagining now...have to keep learning...
| p*********r
发帖数: 4593 | 8
Option 上量只敢 sell put 如果原来要上量买的股票。而且自己判定这股也涨不到那
里去。
【在 p**********e 的大作中提到】
: 如果有超过90%的自信知道一支股票的走势, 敢上量吗 (option)?
| m****r
发帖数: 5435 | 9
如果这股也涨不到那里去，那你为啥原来要上量买。
【在 p*********r 的大作中提到】
:
: Option 上量只敢 sell put 如果原来要上量买的股票。而且自己判定这股也涨不到那
: 里去。
| p*********r
发帖数: 4593 | 10
上量买是要它的红利啊（only for those high dividend stocks)。
sell put 可以赚时间的钱。
【在 m****r 的大作中提到】
:
: 如果这股也涨不到那里去，那你为啥原来要上量买。
| | | m****r
发帖数: 5435 | 11
原来这样啊。我还是更看重股价的变化。不过红利股中有不少好股。
sell put可以赚时间的钱，不过也得有资金备着吧。
【在 p*********r 的大作中提到】
:
: 上量买是要它的红利啊（only for those high dividend stocks)。
: sell put 可以赚时间的钱。
| p**********e
发帖数: 703 | 12 Yes, I am still learning how to balance the gain and the risk, I think it
might depend on how much we expected the stock price changes and the volume
we buy, must be some other factors written in some books I have not read yet
?...I am still in the earlier stage of learning, but as you said on the
opposite: I have determined, to use options in the near future...(based on
the successful rate of my picks in the past year, I know, this year might be
different :), but so far, so good, for this month, I have more than 20%
gain :) sorry, BSO again :(...my hypothesis is gain is huge but loss is
little in options, if more gain than loss concerning successful pick rate...
why not?)
I will get you updated on how it goes in a few months...
Happy learning!
【在 m****r 的大作中提到】
:
: 原来这样啊。我还是更看重股价的变化。不过红利股中有不少好股。
: sell put可以赚时间的钱，不过也得有资金备着吧。
| M********i
发帖数: 4082 | 13 Buy weekly call/put a few days before the big date. It's pure gambling
anyways.
so
or
expensive
【在 p**********e 的大作中提到】
: Yes, I am still learning how to balance the gain and the risk, I think it
: might depend on how much we expected the stock price changes and the volume
: we buy, must be some other factors written in some books I have not read yet
: ?...I am still in the earlier stage of learning, but as you said on the
: opposite: I have determined, to use options in the near future...(based on
: the successful rate of my picks in the past year, I know, this year might be
: different :), but so far, so good, for this month, I have more than 20%
: gain :) sorry, BSO again :(...my hypothesis is gain is huge but loss is
: little in options, if more gain than loss concerning successful pick rate...
: why not?)
| m****r
发帖数: 5435 | 14
volume
yet
on
be
..
好。祝你好运。现在药股强势，借东风，不错。
【在 p**********e 的大作中提到】
: Yes, I am still learning how to balance the gain and the risk, I think it
: might depend on how much we expected the stock price changes and the volume
: we buy, must be some other factors written in some books I have not read yet
: ?...I am still in the earlier stage of learning, but as you said on the
: opposite: I have determined, to use options in the near future...(based on
: the successful rate of my picks in the past year, I know, this year might be
: different :), but so far, so good, for this month, I have more than 20%
: gain :) sorry, BSO again :(...my hypothesis is gain is huge but loss is
: little in options, if more gain than loss concerning successful pick rate...
: why not?)
| m****r
发帖数: 5435 | 15
expensive
down
大牛，他不是说weekly的吗。最靠近你那个big date 的那个week 或下个week的
expiration date。
【在 p**********e 的大作中提到】
: Yes, I am still learning how to balance the gain and the risk, I think it
: might depend on how much we expected the stock price changes and the volume
: we buy, must be some other factors written in some books I have not read yet
: ?...I am still in the earlier stage of learning, but as you said on the
: opposite: I have determined, to use options in the near future...(based on
: the successful rate of my picks in the past year, I know, this year might be
: different :), but so far, so good, for this month, I have more than 20%
: gain :) sorry, BSO again :(...my hypothesis is gain is huge but loss is
: little in options, if more gain than loss concerning successful pick rate...
: why not?)
| m****r
发帖数: 5435 | 16
??
老牛，那就买远点的，一个月，两个月。。。。
【在 p**********e 的大作中提到】
: Yes, I am still learning how to balance the gain and the risk, I think it
: might depend on how much we expected the stock price changes and the volume
: we buy, must be some other factors written in some books I have not read yet
: ?...I am still in the earlier stage of learning, but as you said on the
: opposite: I have determined, to use options in the near future...(based on
: the successful rate of my picks in the past year, I know, this year might be
: different :), but so far, so good, for this month, I have more than 20%
: gain :) sorry, BSO again :(...my hypothesis is gain is huge but loss is
: little in options, if more gain than loss concerning successful pick rate...
: why not?)
| M********i
发帖数: 4082 | 17 You sell them the very first thing in the morning.
??
【在 p**********e 的大作中提到】
: Yes, I am still learning how to balance the gain and the risk, I think it
: might depend on how much we expected the stock price changes and the volume
: we buy, must be some other factors written in some books I have not read yet
: ?...I am still in the earlier stage of learning, but as you said on the
: opposite: I have determined, to use options in the near future...(based on
: the successful rate of my picks in the past year, I know, this year might be
: different :), but so far, so good, for this month, I have more than 20%
: gain :) sorry, BSO again :(...my hypothesis is gain is huge but loss is
: little in options, if more gain than loss concerning successful pick rate...
: why not?)
| m****r
发帖数: 5435 | 18
yes，sir。way overshoot 。
bad news，apply too。
【在 p**********e 的大作中提到】
: Yes, I am still learning how to balance the gain and the risk, I think it
: might depend on how much we expected the stock price changes and the volume
: we buy, must be some other factors written in some books I have not read yet
: ?...I am still in the earlier stage of learning, but as you said on the
: opposite: I have determined, to use options in the near future...(based on
: the successful rate of my picks in the past year, I know, this year might be
: different :), but so far, so good, for this month, I have more than 20%
: gain :) sorry, BSO again :(...my hypothesis is gain is huge but loss is
: little in options, if more gain than loss concerning successful pick rate...
: why not?)
| p**********e
发帖数: 703 | 19 Great to know...then probably I don't need to buy too long since they are
more expensive, and it seems does not matter much of the stock price, since
not like trading stock, we are not buying stock at higher price back, but
just buying another contract based on expectation of the next move based on
the new stock price...I mean much easier to buy it back than buy the stock
back at a much higher price...am I right?
【在 m****r 的大作中提到】
:
: yes，sir。way overshoot 。
: bad news，apply too。
| m****r
发帖数: 5435 | 20
since
on
首先，你看看你想做的股有没有option，其次，看看option spread 大不大，看看有成
交量没。
是，赌，最小时间单位，最大盈利。
【在 p**********e 的大作中提到】
: Great to know...then probably I don't need to buy too long since they are
: more expensive, and it seems does not matter much of the stock price, since
: not like trading stock, we are not buying stock at higher price back, but
: just buying another contract based on expectation of the next move based on
: the new stock price...I mean much easier to buy it back than buy the stock
: back at a much higher price...am I right?
| | | p**********e
发帖数: 703 | 21 Oh, but like in trading stocks, it might take time for more people to
understand/digest the news, so if sell the first thing in the morning...
I just do not have any experience dealing with options and have no idea how
the price changes with the market, will try to follow from now on while
learning,
Thanks again, you are great!
【在 M********i 的大作中提到】
: You sell them the very first thing in the morning.
:
: ??
| p**********e
发帖数: 703 | 22 So generally speaking, in the chain page, what is regard spread 大 (I assume
spread 大 is good?), concerning the 成交量, above what range is regard as
大 or small? (sorry for all the questions, I have not read much yet since it
really takes time to digest what I read...)
Sorry for wasting you so much time, this helps a lot in my learning process.
..YOU are the MEN!
【在 m****r 的大作中提到】
:
: since
: on
: 首先，你看看你想做的股有没有option，其次，看看option spread 大不大，看看有成
: 交量没。
: 是，赌，最小时间单位，最大盈利。
| m****r
发帖数: 5435 | 23
assume
it
process.
spread小，交易量大对你有好处。spread 是bid，ask的差价。
交易量也看你买多少了，如果没啥量，谁会便宜或公平卖给你呢？最好成千上万。
this man needs to lie down now。 good night。
【在 p**********e 的大作中提到】
: So generally speaking, in the chain page, what is regard spread 大 (I assume
: spread 大 is good?), concerning the 成交量, above what range is regard as
: 大 or small? (sorry for all the questions, I have not read much yet since it
: really takes time to digest what I read...)
: Sorry for wasting you so much time, this helps a lot in my learning process.
: ..YOU are the MEN!
| M********i
发帖数: 4082 | 24 You have been talking about biotech/pharmaceutical stocks, right? People
understand/digest the news in minutes if not faster.
how
【在 p**********e 的大作中提到】
: Oh, but like in trading stocks, it might take time for more people to
: understand/digest the news, so if sell the first thing in the morning...
: I just do not have any experience dealing with options and have no idea how
: the price changes with the market, will try to follow from now on while
: learning,
: Thanks again, you are great!
| M********i
发帖数: 4082 | 25 She is not the MEN. LOL
assume
it
process.
【在 p**********e 的大作中提到】
: So generally speaking, in the chain page, what is regard spread 大 (I assume
: spread 大 is good?), concerning the 成交量, above what range is regard as
: 大 or small? (sorry for all the questions, I have not read much yet since it
: really takes time to digest what I read...)
: Sorry for wasting you so much time, this helps a lot in my learning process.
: ..YOU are the MEN!
| p**********e
发帖数: 703 | 26 Yes, biotech/pharmaceutical stocks...
When trading stocks, I found fast responses in some stocks, but slow in the
others....It used to be like that which I could make more money due to the
time difference. However, currently, no matter the news really good or not,
股民喜欢一拥而上, 大部分的青蛙就是这样被biotech/pharmaceutical stocks 套住的
, and they hate it thereafter...maybe just my biased understanding....
【在 M********i 的大作中提到】
: You have been talking about biotech/pharmaceutical stocks, right? People
: understand/digest the news in minutes if not faster.
:
: how
| p**********e
发帖数: 703 | 27 Oh, really??????
based on the common sense on statistics, I don't think many girls/ladies/
women here trading stocks (I don't know which one to be used as appropriate
and not being labelled as racist), might be wrong...
But boy or girl, he/she is a great person I would like to trust and
communicate with, and you are the same, thanks, men!
【在 M********i 的大作中提到】
: She is not the MEN. LOL
:
: assume
: it
: process.
| p**********e
发帖数: 703 | 28 Thank you. Good night!
【在 m****r 的大作中提到】
:
: assume
: it
: process.
: spread小，交易量大对你有好处。spread 是bid，ask的差价。
: 交易量也看你买多少了，如果没啥量，谁会便宜或公平卖给你呢？最好成千上万。
: this man needs to lie down now。 good night。
| M********i
发帖数: 4082 | 29 Stereotyping is wrong.
appropriate
【在 p**********e 的大作中提到】
: Oh, really??????
: based on the common sense on statistics, I don't think many girls/ladies/
: women here trading stocks (I don't know which one to be used as appropriate
: and not being labelled as racist), might be wrong...
: But boy or girl, he/she is a great person I would like to trust and
: communicate with, and you are the same, thanks, men!
| p**********e
发帖数: 703 | 30 Good night, and talk to you later. Thanks a lot!!!
Enjoy the Superbowl tomorrow...
【在 M********i 的大作中提到】
: Stereotyping is wrong.
:
: appropriate
| | | m****r
发帖数: 5435 | 31
兄弟阿，话可不能这末说阿。尽管俺一不留神选错了外表，内心还是一如既往的MEN！
【在 M********i 的大作中提到】
: She is not the MEN. LOL
:
: assume
: it
: process.
| M********i
发帖数: 4082 | 32 Okay 我说错了
【在 m****r 的大作中提到】
:
: 兄弟阿，话可不能这末说阿。尽管俺一不留神选错了外表，内心还是一如既往的MEN！
| m****r
发帖数: 5435 | 33
知错立改，很Men.
【在 M********i 的大作中提到】
: Okay 我说错了
| E**********r
发帖数: 2743 | 34 明明是女性，怎么会有男性的内心？！不过是性格可能不符合一些人对女性的偏见罢了。
【在 m****r 的大作中提到】
:
: 知错立改，很Men.
| m****r
发帖数: 5435 | 35
哈哈哈。。。我从小就多跟男生打交道，大了还是。真的对女生的很多兴趣不感兴趣。
我真的喜欢做个男生。豁达，友善，宽广。
【在 E**********r 的大作中提到】
: 明明是女性，怎么会有男性的内心？！不过是性格可能不符合一些人对女性的偏见罢了。
| E**********r
发帖数: 2743 | 36 那只能说你对女性有偏见，或者运气不好，遇到的女性多是不豁达，不友善，不宽广。
：）
【在 m****r 的大作中提到】
:
: 哈哈哈。。。我从小就多跟男生打交道，大了还是。真的对女生的很多兴趣不感兴趣。
: 我真的喜欢做个男生。豁达，友善，宽广。
| m****r
发帖数: 5435 | 37
我其实是对自己有偏见。我不豁达，不友善，不宽广，自私冷漠。
别说，回想起来我最珍惜的友谊，还是个女生。也挺man。
【在 E**********r 的大作中提到】
: 那只能说你对女性有偏见，或者运气不好，遇到的女性多是不豁达，不友善，不宽广。
: ：）
| p**********e
发帖数: 703 | 38 真受不了了你俩...男女并不重要, 你俩都豁达，友善，宽广，不自私冷漠, 俺喜欢,
就象我们的豪客狮队--再赞!!!
我们明天股市再战, 听您们的好消息!
【在 m****r 的大作中提到】
:
: 我其实是对自己有偏见。我不豁达，不友善，不宽广，自私冷漠。
: 别说，回想起来我最珍惜的友谊，还是个女生。也挺man。
| m****r
发帖数: 5435 | 39
可能你已经知道，买option一般出bid ask 的中间价。
当我不知道该买哪个strike的时候，会参考哪个open interests 高。因为别人比我明
白。 ：）
【在 p**********e 的大作中提到】
: 真受不了了你俩...男女并不重要, 你俩都豁达，友善，宽广，不自私冷漠, 俺喜欢,
: 就象我们的豪客狮队--再赞!!!
: 我们明天股市再战, 听您们的好消息!
| p**********e
发帖数: 703 | 40 谢谢指导, 现在我知道怎样出价了...
今天俩收获:
1. 截屏了一些交易数据, 准备坚持3个月到半年...
2. 刚才发现不同的 dealer exp. date are different, such as TD ameritrade and
fidelity, Is this true or I did something wrong?
Just learned how to exercise if not trade before expire...it is fun after
knocking my head against the wall last night...basically this morning...:)
Thanks again, 准备一周内趁底小试我的猪刀...
【在 m****r 的大作中提到】
:
: 可能你已经知道，买option一般出bid ask 的中间价。
: 当我不知道该买哪个strike的时候，会参考哪个open interests 高。因为别人比我明
: 白。 ：）
| | | l*******b
发帖数: 2586 | | m****r
发帖数: 5435 | 42
and
没听说过。你觉得合适吗？
【在 p**********e 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢指导, 现在我知道怎样出价了...
: 今天俩收获:
: 1. 截屏了一些交易数据, 准备坚持3个月到半年...
: 2. 刚才发现不同的 dealer exp. date are different, such as TD ameritrade and
: fidelity, Is this true or I did something wrong?
: Just learned how to exercise if not trade before expire...it is fun after
: knocking my head against the wall last night...basically this morning...:)
: Thanks again, 准备一周内趁底小试我的猪刀...
| p**********e
发帖数: 703 | 43 对呀, 书上说是每月的第三个周五, but none of the TD or Fidelity are the 3rd
Friday, I just found it out, don't know why...
also I just saw "open interest" and some numbers following it, not sure what
it is yet, will dig into it now...
【在 m****r 的大作中提到】
:
: and
: 没听说过。你觉得合适吗？
| m****r
发帖数: 5435 | 44
上个图？
what
【在 p**********e 的大作中提到】
: 对呀, 书上说是每月的第三个周五, but none of the TD or Fidelity are the 3rd
: Friday, I just found it out, don't know why...
: also I just saw "open interest" and some numbers following it, not sure what
: it is yet, will dig into it now...
| m****r
发帖数: 5435 | 45
我觉得你应该睡觉了。
这样贴：
【在 p**********e 的大作中提到】
: 对呀, 书上说是每月的第三个周五, but none of the TD or Fidelity are the 3rd
: Friday, I just found it out, don't know why...
: also I just saw "open interest" and some numbers following it, not sure what
: it is yet, will dig into it now...
| p**********e
发帖数: 703 | 46 You see, Fidelity have call and put for every week... | m****r
发帖数: 5435 | 47
是不是都有monthly 的？
【在 p**********e 的大作中提到】
: You see, Fidelity have call and put for every week...
| m****r
发帖数: 5435 | 48
我是说你先以monthly option看好了。比较统一，少点干扰。
【在 p**********e 的大作中提到】
: You see, Fidelity have call and put for every week...
| m****r
发帖数: 5435 | 49
..
good night。心要沉稳些。
【在 p**********e 的大作中提到】
: You see, Fidelity have call and put for every week...
| p**********e
发帖数: 703 | 50 Got it, here you go, thanks.
I can read another hour... :)
【在 m****r 的大作中提到】
:
: ..
: good night。心要沉稳些。
| | | m****r
发帖数: 5435 | 51
图没啥奇怪啊，不就是weekly加monthly（第三周）吗？
【在 p**********e 的大作中提到】
: Got it, here you go, thanks.
: I can read another hour... :)
| p**********e
发帖数: 703 | 52 Here I attached the window from TD, you see, Feb, 14 and Mar 1...
Does that means I can trade on either of those 4 weeks in Fidelity, or only
on the third week?
why TD does not have other weeks?
【在 m****r 的大作中提到】
:
: 图没啥奇怪啊，不就是weekly加monthly（第三周）吗？
| m****r
发帖数: 5435 | 53
only
没用过TD。 我估计你用的不对。第三周是传统，不可能没有。
【在 p**********e 的大作中提到】
: Here I attached the window from TD, you see, Feb, 14 and Mar 1...
: Does that means I can trade on either of those 4 weeks in Fidelity, or only
: on the third week?
: why TD does not have other weeks?
| p**********e
发帖数: 703 | 54 I don't know.
But you know what, today I tried 4 open calls using my fidelity account,
some even higher than the filled price, but I got nothing. I checked the
trade history from TD account (I like those information, but too much to be
digested), probably due to my setting of "all or none". Actually I only
tried 10 volume in each of them, and used the mid of bid and ask price as
you suggested me...later I changed one to 5, still not working...tomorrow I
will try one using the market price instead of limit to see if I could get
anything...I guess tomorrow might be another down day, close to 1/3 of my
January gain are lost so far...still have bullets :)
【在 m****r 的大作中提到】
:
: only
: 没用过TD。 我估计你用的不对。第三周是传统，不可能没有。
| m****r
发帖数: 5435 | 55
be
I
一定是很thin的吧。我一般不作all or none。另外，是不是股价变动比较大?
我个人觉得应该用limit。market比较risky，如果股价没跟上，立刻水下三寸。
【在 p**********e 的大作中提到】
: I don't know.
: But you know what, today I tried 4 open calls using my fidelity account,
: some even higher than the filled price, but I got nothing. I checked the
: trade history from TD account (I like those information, but too much to be
: digested), probably due to my setting of "all or none". Actually I only
: tried 10 volume in each of them, and used the mid of bid and ask price as
: you suggested me...later I changed one to 5, still not working...tomorrow I
: will try one using the market price instead of limit to see if I could get
: anything...I guess tomorrow might be another down day, close to 1/3 of my
: January gain are lost so far...still have bullets :)
| p**********e
发帖数: 703 | 56 Oh, now I got it, when I checked the TD chart again, I found it has Feb1,
Feb2, Feb and Feb4...that might be the weekly ones....ai, I should not stay
that late this morning, not efficient at all.
So does that mean I can choose the expiration date on any week of each month
? I remember somewhere said only the 3rd Friday of each month, that is
confusing to me...any ideas?
【在 m****r 的大作中提到】
:
: be
: I
: 一定是很thin的吧。我一般不作all or none。另外，是不是股价变动比较大?
: 我个人觉得应该用limit。market比较risky，如果股价没跟上，立刻水下三寸。
| m****r
发帖数: 5435 | 57
stay
month
只要有list就可以买卖阿。3rd是传统上的。weekly比较新。
【在 p**********e 的大作中提到】
: Oh, now I got it, when I checked the TD chart again, I found it has Feb1,
: Feb2, Feb and Feb4...that might be the weekly ones....ai, I should not stay
: that late this morning, not efficient at all.
: So does that mean I can choose the expiration date on any week of each month
: ? I remember somewhere said only the 3rd Friday of each month, that is
: confusing to me...any ideas?
| p**********e
发帖数: 703 | 58 Wow, just saw it, I like your new "牛图"...真牛!
您读的书,走的抄股路比我长多了, 佩服!
听您的, 心不急, 再读一小时就倒也, 管他什么, 明天一定要抓个奥谱神练练手儿...
不知为什么, 今天总想弄个两年期的...
【在 m****r 的大作中提到】
:
: stay
: month
: 只要有list就可以买卖阿。3rd是传统上的。weekly比较新。
| m****r
发帖数: 5435 | 59
晕。我是很懈怠很偷懒地。
先少进点。亏光也无所谓。挣大钱的机会天天有。
【在 p**********e 的大作中提到】
: Wow, just saw it, I like your new "牛图"...真牛!
: 您读的书,走的抄股路比我长多了, 佩服!
: 听您的, 心不急, 再读一小时就倒也, 管他什么, 明天一定要抓个奥谱神练练手儿...
: 不知为什么, 今天总想弄个两年期的...
| p**********e
发帖数: 703 | 60 恩, 先来十捆, in the money, 尝尝味道...
【在 m****r 的大作中提到】
:
: 晕。我是很懈怠很偷懒地。
: 先少进点。亏光也无所谓。挣大钱的机会天天有。
| | | p**********e
发帖数: 703 | 61 哈, 一下进了三十捆...还有10捆在排...all out the money though..., maybe even
better tomorrow...
【在 p**********e 的大作中提到】
: 恩, 先来十捆, in the money, 尝尝味道...
| p**********e
发帖数: 703 | 62 唉, 我的处女靠买少了...您的LEAP 进了吗???
even
【在 p**********e 的大作中提到】
: 哈, 一下进了三十捆...还有10捆在排...all out the money though..., maybe even
: better tomorrow...
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