G***y
发帖数: 1071 | 1 一直听说可以加来探亲的父母为dependent，只要居住超过183天，但是IRS 对
dependent的测试里有“The dependent must be a citizen or resident alien of
the United States, Canada, or Mexico.”
给父母报了税的同学们，是我对此定义有误解吗？ |
m****i
发帖数: 333 | 2 今天我的遭遇，是不是有关联呢？
爸爸妈妈去年总计在美国居住的时间超过了183天。我们想给他们申请ITIN，做我们的
dependent 保税。网上看到说直接去IRS office可以不用公证，加上保税截止日期快到
了，今天带父母去San Jose 的IRS office。接待我们的是5号格子间的一个亚裔女士。
结果很悲剧，她说不能给B1/B2申请ITIN，因为他们将来要回中国，直接就给拒绝了。
这是我第一次听说ITIN申请 还与签证类型有关。不知道是自己孤陋寡闻，还是今年的
新政策，哪位兄弟姐妹给说说？ 另外我们为父母选择的reason是 d项Dependent of U.
S. citizen/resident alien，这个有什么问题吗？ |
Q***u
发帖数: 433 | 3 Your parents are "resident alien" for federal tax purposes after they have
stayed in the US for over 183 days. This resident status is established
according to the substantial presence test detailed in IRS Pub 519.
【在 G***y 的大作中提到】
: 一直听说可以加来探亲的父母为dependent，只要居住超过183天，但是IRS 对
: dependent的测试里有“The dependent must be a citizen or resident alien of
: the United States, Canada, or Mexico.”
: 给父母报了税的同学们，是我对此定义有误解吗？
|
Q***u
发帖数: 433 | 4 Don't take it for granted that your local IRS people know everything. Given
the complexity of US tax codes, I wouldn't be surprised that you just met
someone who doesn't know her job.
Why don't you just attach your W-7 to your tax return and be done with it?
To be honest, I don't quite get this idea of applying at local offices. I
have done this (I meant, sending W-7 with my tax return and let the real IRS
professionals taking care of it) three times already in the past 6 years or
so and have never had any problem. Of course, all of my relatives had B1/B2
visas with their visa information clearly recorded in the W-7s.
U.
【在 m****i 的大作中提到】
: 今天我的遭遇，是不是有关联呢？
: 爸爸妈妈去年总计在美国居住的时间超过了183天。我们想给他们申请ITIN，做我们的
: dependent 保税。网上看到说直接去IRS office可以不用公证，加上保税截止日期快到
: 了，今天带父母去San Jose 的IRS office。接待我们的是5号格子间的一个亚裔女士。
: 结果很悲剧，她说不能给B1/B2申请ITIN，因为他们将来要回中国，直接就给拒绝了。
: 这是我第一次听说ITIN申请 还与签证类型有关。不知道是自己孤陋寡闻，还是今年的
: 新政策，哪位兄弟姐妹给说说？ 另外我们为父母选择的reason是 d项Dependent of U.
: S. citizen/resident alien，这个有什么问题吗？
|
c****e
发帖数: 749 | 5 This is a correct answer. The lady at local irs didn't do her job right.
【在 Q***u 的大作中提到】
: Your parents are "resident alien" for federal tax purposes after they have
: stayed in the US for over 183 days. This resident status is established
: according to the substantial presence test detailed in IRS Pub 519.
|
G***y
发帖数: 1071 | 6 谢谢Qiqiu的回复。这下心里有谱了。
Mitoni要不你再去LOCAL IRS试一下？（好像寄W7就来不及报州税了。）把IRS对
dependent定义的文件带上。希望你能碰到一个懂行的，否则就把那些publication,
ruling给他看。祝好运。
有好消息，回来通报一声。 |
y*******h
发帖数: 1626 | 7 当然可以给住够183天的父母申请税号了，不要盲目相信那些local的办事人员，另外只
要你是退税，也不用担心申请税号会耽误州税，只有欠税的才要在今年4月18之前把90%
的税款先交了，拿退税的晚点没事的。另外其实邮寄联邦税单和给爸妈的w7税号申请表
一起去irs，处理起来更快，不用带什么文件去Local的.别忘了把父母的护照复印然后
公正一下和税单，w7一起寄走。
.【 在 Gifty (Gifty) 的大作中提到: 】 |
y*****n
发帖数: 75 | 8 请问，那个183天，是不是如美国境内的当天和离境的当天不算阿？我打算让爸妈 5月
10号左右来，买机票有什么窍门吗？ |
l********4
发帖数: 683 | 9 我在IRS网上查到183天的定义，
http://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc851.html
To meet the substantial presence test, you must have been physically present
in the United States on at least 31 days during the current year, and 183
days during the 3 year period that includes the current year and the 2 years
immediately before. To satisfy the 183 days requirement, count all of the
days you were present in the current year, and one-third of the days you
were present in the first year before the current year, and one-sixth of the
days you were present in the second year before the current year。
照这样算来，我爸妈今年，去年，前年一共在这呆了182.999天，能四舍五入成183天么
？BTW,我已经去掉了他们来美和离境的天数。
多谢解答！
【在 Q***u 的大作中提到】
: Your parents are "resident alien" for federal tax purposes after they have
: stayed in the US for over 183 days. This resident status is established
: according to the substantial presence test detailed in IRS Pub 519.
|
Q***u
发帖数: 433 | 10 来美和离境当天都是算进去的，只要你有physical presence就行，不必全天。 |
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m****i
发帖数: 333 | 11 看了大家的高见，我决定还是直接邮寄了。我想可能接受ITIN申请的那个邮寄地址的工
作人员可能对于ITIN的申请资格的了解比local office的人员可能更专业。另外我想知
道一下，给父母护照做公证的话，需要包括信息页，签证页，I94卡。还需要最后一张
签名页吗？
论坛里面有人提到说需要公证签名页，但也有人没有提到是否需要公证签名页。
谢谢
【在 G***y 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢Qiqiu的回复。这下心里有谱了。
: Mitoni要不你再去LOCAL IRS试一下？（好像寄W7就来不及报州税了。）把IRS对
: dependent定义的文件带上。希望你能碰到一个懂行的，否则就把那些publication,
: ruling给他看。祝好运。
: 有好消息，回来通报一声。
|
Q***u
发帖数: 433 | 12 It won't hurt to include the signature page. But strictly speaking, they
only want the ID page. In the past when I applied for ITIN, I once included
both ID page and visa page, and the second time I only had the ID page. Didn
't have any problem in both cases. |
r******n
发帖数: 351 | 13 请问w7的reason 一项填那个？
c. U.S. resident alien (based on days present in the United States) filing
a U.S. tax return
or d. Dependent of U.S. citizen/resident alien
如果填c的话，父母自己是不是也要报税啊（交1040表)。
Given
IRS
or
B2
【在 Q***u 的大作中提到】
: Don't take it for granted that your local IRS people know everything. Given
: the complexity of US tax codes, I wouldn't be surprised that you just met
: someone who doesn't know her job.
: Why don't you just attach your W-7 to your tax return and be done with it?
: To be honest, I don't quite get this idea of applying at local offices. I
: have done this (I meant, sending W-7 with my tax return and let the real IRS
: professionals taking care of it) three times already in the past 6 years or
: so and have never had any problem. Of course, all of my relatives had B1/B2
: visas with their visa information clearly recorded in the W-7s.
:
|
Q***u
发帖数: 433 | 14 You're applying ITIN for your parents? Then select (d). As dependent, they
don't need to file tax returns; they're only there to help you reduce your
tax liabilities.
filing
【在 r******n 的大作中提到】
: 请问w7的reason 一项填那个？
: c. U.S. resident alien (based on days present in the United States) filing
: a U.S. tax return
: or d. Dependent of U.S. citizen/resident alien
: 如果填c的话，父母自己是不是也要报税啊（交1040表)。
:
: Given
: IRS
: or
: B2
|
r******n
发帖数: 351 | 15 Thanks！ 请问州税怎么办？需要等拿到ITIN以后，填上然后才能提交么？
还有他们居住时间》183天这个事实怎么体现出来？可以公证么?
【在 Q***u 的大作中提到】
: You're applying ITIN for your parents? Then select (d). As dependent, they
: don't need to file tax returns; they're only there to help you reduce your
: tax liabilities.
:
: filing
|
s*******h
发帖数: 916 | 16 有人给iRS打电话了
说B类签证不能做dependent |
m****i
发帖数: 333 | 17 确定吗？
【在 s*******h 的大作中提到】
: 有人给iRS打电话了
: 说B类签证不能做dependent
|
Q***u
发帖数: 433 | 18 Unless someone can show that there is a published new policy change on IRS's
end, then this is either pure rumor, or the caller didn't know how to ask
questions, or the IRS customer service didn't know his/her job. I have seen
many people on this board who doesn't know even the most basic things about
tax. If this rumored person simply asked IRS if B1/B2 visa holders can be
claimed as dependent, then of course not! They need to meet certain
conditions. And if this rumored person is a fresh F1 student, then of course
not since he/she cannot claim dependent filing 1040-NREZ. There are lots of
preconditions to the question. Simply putting down these two simple
sentences here means nothing.
Again, I've filed W-7 form with my return three times since 2005 tax year
and haven't had a single problem with claiming B1/B2 visa holders as
dependent of resident alien.
【在 s*******h 的大作中提到】
: 有人给iRS打电话了
: 说B类签证不能做dependent
|
m****i
发帖数: 333 | 19 说得很对啊！
's
seen
about
course
of
【在 Q***u 的大作中提到】
: Unless someone can show that there is a published new policy change on IRS's
: end, then this is either pure rumor, or the caller didn't know how to ask
: questions, or the IRS customer service didn't know his/her job. I have seen
: many people on this board who doesn't know even the most basic things about
: tax. If this rumored person simply asked IRS if B1/B2 visa holders can be
: claimed as dependent, then of course not! They need to meet certain
: conditions. And if this rumored person is a fresh F1 student, then of course
: not since he/she cannot claim dependent filing 1040-NREZ. There are lots of
: preconditions to the question. Simply putting down these two simple
: sentences here means nothing.
|
l*****s
发帖数: 279 | 20
你是对的，Ｂ１／Ｂ２来的父母不能被报税。
【在 G***y 的大作中提到】
: 一直听说可以加来探亲的父母为dependent，只要居住超过183天，但是IRS 对
: dependent的测试里有“The dependent must be a citizen or resident alien of
: the United States, Canada, or Mexico.”
: 给父母报了税的同学们，是我对此定义有误解吗？
|
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l*****s
发帖数: 279 | 21
183天只是说他们是否是ｒｅｓｉｄｅｎｔ，但即使是ｒｅｓｉｄｅｎｔ也不能被ｃｌ
ａｉｍ成你的ｄ
ｅｐｅｎｄｅｎｔ．
【在 l*****s 的大作中提到】
:
: 你是对的，Ｂ１／Ｂ２来的父母不能被报税。
|
t******g
发帖数: 10390 | 22 我相信大家为什么说探亲父母能作为你的dependent是根据1040的instruction的第16页的
"Is Your Qualifying Relative Your Dependent?"判断的.
当然irs另有条文说了B1/B2签证就另外说了.目前还没看到过.
【在 l*****s 的大作中提到】
:
: 183天只是说他们是否是ｒｅｓｉｄｅｎｔ，但即使是ｒｅｓｉｄｅｎｔ也不能被ｃｌ
: ａｉｍ成你的ｄ
: ｅｐｅｎｄｅｎｔ．
|
j***a
发帖数: 832 | 23 I found something on the immigration.com
http://forums.immigration.com/showthread.php?228753-Applying-fo
【在 l*****s 的大作中提到】
:
: 183天只是说他们是否是ｒｅｓｉｄｅｎｔ，但即使是ｒｅｓｉｄｅｎｔ也不能被ｃｌ
: ａｉｍ成你的ｄ
: ｅｐｅｎｄｅｎｔ．
|
c**2
发帖数: 8496 | 24 It all depends on whether you will be audited, I guess. Some people even
claim their parents who stay < 180 days in US, or their US born kids who
live in China as dependents and no problem. At lease no problem until you
get audit.
This is not something IRS will have auto system to find a problem. (unlike
your not claiming or short-claiming 1099/W-2 or other info that IRS auto
system can find when banks and employers claim their taxes/expenses). |
w*********t
发帖数: 319 | 25 如果现在还没有ITIN，可以2010 FORM 1040里把父母作为DEPENDANT， 同时交 W-7吗？
还是等ITIN 下来以后填 1040-X?
【在 G***y 的大作中提到】
: 一直听说可以加来探亲的父母为dependent，只要居住超过183天，但是IRS 对
: dependent的测试里有“The dependent must be a citizen or resident alien of
: the United States, Canada, or Mexico.”
: 给父母报了税的同学们，是我对此定义有误解吗？
|
r*****n
发帖数: 120 | 26 一起递的吧
W7表instruction第3页“Where To Apply”有专门地址递送的
【在 w*********t 的大作中提到】
: 如果现在还没有ITIN，可以2010 FORM 1040里把父母作为DEPENDANT， 同时交 W-7吗？
: 还是等ITIN 下来以后填 1040-X?
|
G***y
发帖数: 1071 | 27 不知的用软件报税的同学是如何把父母加为DEPENDENT的。我用的是HR BLOCK，根本就
通不过TEST，不能CLAIM。 |
t******g
发帖数: 10390 | 28 试试turbotax?
【在 G***y 的大作中提到】
: 不知的用软件报税的同学是如何把父母加为DEPENDENT的。我用的是HR BLOCK，根本就
: 通不过TEST，不能CLAIM。
|
s****y
发帖数: 399 | 29 Thank you for sharing your experience. Did the person you claimed as
dependents have problem to get visa to the US again? Did they fill the ITIN
in the visa application?
Given
IRS
or
B2
【在 Q***u 的大作中提到】
: Don't take it for granted that your local IRS people know everything. Given
: the complexity of US tax codes, I wouldn't be surprised that you just met
: someone who doesn't know her job.
: Why don't you just attach your W-7 to your tax return and be done with it?
: To be honest, I don't quite get this idea of applying at local offices. I
: have done this (I meant, sending W-7 with my tax return and let the real IRS
: professionals taking care of it) three times already in the past 6 years or
: so and have never had any problem. Of course, all of my relatives had B1/B2
: visas with their visa information clearly recorded in the W-7s.
:
|
t******g
发帖数: 10390 | 30 美国移民局和税务局数据库不共享的样子唉.
ITIN
【在 s****y 的大作中提到】
: Thank you for sharing your experience. Did the person you claimed as
: dependents have problem to get visa to the US again? Did they fill the ITIN
: in the visa application?
:
: Given
: IRS
: or
: B2
|
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h*********0
发帖数: 6 | 31 那我可以用Turbox电子FILE么。Turbox里没找到W7。我父母现在中国，怎么公正他们的
护照呢？ |
p********4
发帖数: 16 | 32 我给IRS打过电话。我岳父母来美超过183天。我们在美工作3年了。
接线员说为了回答我的问题，要找一个更高级的人，说是lawyer。结果更高级的人就用
你列的这一条把我否定了。
结果我们就没把岳父母claim as dependent。
【在 G***y 的大作中提到】
: 一直听说可以加来探亲的父母为dependent，只要居住超过183天，但是IRS 对
: dependent的测试里有“The dependent must be a citizen or resident alien of
: the United States, Canada, or Mexico.”
: 给父母报了税的同学们，是我对此定义有误解吗？
|
c*******g
发帖数: 1048 | 33 保税的resident alien跟是不是拿探亲签证（是不是移民意义上的permanent resident
alien）没有直接关系吧 |
o*****t
发帖数: 339 | 34 根据 pub 519 只要你父母通过Substantial Presence Test，他们的报税身份就是
resident alien。 因此你得到的答案是错误的。
From Pub 519:
You are a of the United States for a lawful permanent resident may be
tax purposes if you meet either the green card CAUTION subject to special
reporting require-
!
test or the substantial presence test for calendar ments and tax provisions.
See Expatriation Tax
year 2011 (January 1–December 31).
Substantial Presence Test
You will be considered a U.S. resident for tax
purposes if you meet the substantial presence
test for calendar year 2011. To meet this test,
you must be physically present in the United
States on at least:
1. 31 days during 2011, and
2. 183 days during the 3-year period that in
cludes 2011, 2010, and 2009, counting:
a. All the days you were present in 2011 and
b. 1/3 of the days you were present in 2010, and
c. 1/6 of the days you were present in 2009.
【在 p********4 的大作中提到】
: 我给IRS打过电话。我岳父母来美超过183天。我们在美工作3年了。
: 接线员说为了回答我的问题，要找一个更高级的人，说是lawyer。结果更高级的人就用
: 你列的这一条把我否定了。
: 结果我们就没把岳父母claim as dependent。
|
y***i
发帖数: 279 | 35 According to pub 519, B1/B2 are not on Exempt list (but J and F are).
BTW resident here means "resident for tax purpose" - the parents are "
resident" if they meet either the green card test or the substantial
presence test (183 days rule).
========
http://www.irs.gov/publications/p519/ch01.html#en_US_publink100
Exempt individual. Do not count days for which you are an exempt
individual. The term “exempt individual” does not refer to someone exempt
from U.S. tax, but to anyone in the following categories.
An individual temporarily present in the United States as a foreign
government-related individual under an “A” or “G” visa.
A teacher or trainee temporarily present in the United States under a “
J” or “Q” visa, who substantially complies with the requirements of the
visa.
A student temporarily present in the United States under an “F,” “J,
” “M,” or “Q” visa, who substantially complies with the requirements of
the visa.
A professional athlete temporarily in the United States to compete in a
charitable sports event.
The specific rules for each of these four categories (including any rules
on the length of time you will be an exempt individual) are discussed next.
【在 l*****s 的大作中提到】
:
: 183天只是说他们是否是ｒｅｓｉｄｅｎｔ，但即使是ｒｅｓｉｄｅｎｔ也不能被ｃｌ
: ａｉｍ成你的ｄ
: ｅｐｅｎｄｅｎｔ．
|
w**d
发帖数: 956 | 36 可以，见：
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/TAX/31301949.html
【在 w*********t 的大作中提到】
: 如果现在还没有ITIN，可以2010 FORM 1040里把父母作为DEPENDANT， 同时交 W-7吗？
: 还是等ITIN 下来以后填 1040-X?
|
w**d
发帖数: 956 | 37 参考：
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/TAX/31301949.html
【在 h*********0 的大作中提到】
: 那我可以用Turbox电子FILE么。Turbox里没找到W7。我父母现在中国，怎么公正他们的
: 护照呢？
|
r******f
发帖数: 987 | |
