m*********e
发帖数: 944 | 1 看到吴迪，宫茂新，常yu等人的名字。他们在打美国的pro circuit.
是个好的开端。 |
j***b
发帖数: 5901 | 2 完了。Nadal王朝要被埋葬了。
【在 m*********e 的大作中提到】
: 看到吴迪，宫茂新，常yu等人的名字。他们在打美国的pro circuit.
: 是个好的开端。
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a*****0
发帖数: 6788 | 3 高尔夫，网球，其实是很适合亚洲人的运动。都是对个人mind要求极高的. 只要有这个
文化，会象羽毛球一样被亚洲人独霸。
现在是被人统治的运动，所以必须出来练。 等下一代中国的网球运动员上来， 女的
175cm左右，男的180cm左右，就会有男的入前100了。 |
s**h
发帖数: 1889 | 4 感觉女175男180打网球还是太矮了。现在这几个中国男球员不知道有多高。
不过到时候中国一统天下可能atp会限制每个国家只能两人参加大师系列赛，
限定只能一人参加大满贯。就像现在乒羽搞得那样,hoho。
【在 a*****0 的大作中提到】
: 高尔夫，网球，其实是很适合亚洲人的运动。都是对个人mind要求极高的. 只要有这个
: 文化，会象羽毛球一样被亚洲人独霸。
: 现在是被人统治的运动，所以必须出来练。 等下一代中国的网球运动员上来， 女的
: 175cm左右，男的180cm左右，就会有男的入前100了。
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 5 女175 equals to 男186, tall enough.
【在 s**h 的大作中提到】
: 感觉女175男180打网球还是太矮了。现在这几个中国男球员不知道有多高。
: 不过到时候中国一统天下可能atp会限制每个国家只能两人参加大师系列赛，
: 限定只能一人参加大满贯。就像现在乒羽搞得那样,hoho。
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s**h
发帖数: 1889 | 6 嗯，目前指标看女175还成。wta top10只有3个达到180. 177的有2-3个
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 女175 equals to 男186, tall enough.
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T******n
发帖数: 1131 | 7 吴迪不应该打challengers, 应该打futures. He will have to go through
qualifying if he plays challengers. It is always tough to go through several
rounds of qually.
他的目的应该是攒电脑分，而不是和高手打，呵呵。 |
a*****0
发帖数: 6788 | 8
several
俺不懂。 能不能科普一下challengers vs futures.
【在 T******n 的大作中提到】
: 吴迪不应该打challengers, 应该打futures. He will have to go through
: qualifying if he plays challengers. It is always tough to go through several
: rounds of qually.
: 他的目的应该是攒电脑分，而不是和高手打，呵呵。
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 9 Mostly futures.
http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Wu/D/Di-Wu.aspx?t=pa
One challenger event, and he passed all 3 qualifying rounds.
He even attended one ATP1000 event and lost in the 1st qualifying
round. |
Y**s
发帖数: 1632 | 10 I wouldn't go so far as to say that badminton and table tennis are being
dominated by the Asians because there's something special about Asians, but
in general these sports are more popular in Asia compared to the rest of the
world and consequently more money/training/energy is spent in Asia to train
elite athletes.
Tennis requirements are pretty straightforward: reasonably tall, good hand-
eye coordination, fairly fit, and a good mind. In other words - same as
just about any other sport.
Ther
【在 a*****0 的大作中提到】
: 高尔夫，网球，其实是很适合亚洲人的运动。都是对个人mind要求极高的. 只要有这个
: 文化，会象羽毛球一样被亚洲人独霸。
: 现在是被人统治的运动，所以必须出来练。 等下一代中国的网球运动员上来， 女的
: 175cm左右，男的180cm左右，就会有男的入前100了。
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 11 It is true but I tend to agree with Temudgin's reasoning.
Wu Di earned most of his points from futures events. He has won
two this year, each 27 points. In challenger events, even if
he won all three Q rounds, he still only managed to earn 3 points.
Money is not the biggest issue at this stage. He will surely
lose money if he ranks at 449. Once he earns enough points from
the futures events, his rank will improve and he will be able to
attend more high end events and earn more money.
ITF |
K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 12 Well, the edge is Chinese have better hand-eye coordination
and the finesse in touch of balls.
See how we won all those gymnastic and diving gold medals...
but
the
train
hand-
【在 Y**s 的大作中提到】
: I wouldn't go so far as to say that badminton and table tennis are being
: dominated by the Asians because there's something special about Asians, but
: in general these sports are more popular in Asia compared to the rest of the
: world and consequently more money/training/energy is spent in Asia to train
: elite athletes.
: Tennis requirements are pretty straightforward: reasonably tall, good hand-
: eye coordination, fairly fit, and a good mind. In other words - same as
: just about any other sport.
: Ther
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Y**s
发帖数: 1632 | 13 is there some sort of study that says asians have better hand-eye
coordination than the whites or the blacks?
Again, gymnastics is a lot of hard work. I tend to believe that in the past
, Chinese national team is much better organized than the national teams of
some other organizations - just look at how the Chinese handpick then train
their gymnists since extremely young and painfully weed out the better from
the best... You can compare this to the Soviets back in the 70s and 80s -
they are e
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Well, the edge is Chinese have better hand-eye coordination
: and the finesse in touch of balls.
: See how we won all those gymnastic and diving gold medals...
:
: but
: the
: train
: hand-
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 14 The point is China did the same thing to soccer, and earned
nothing...
At least it means for sports like gymnastics, diving, pingpong
and badminton (where absolute strength is not that important --
gym kinda need short and strong though), organized training
would yield something. It could very well happen to tennis too.
past
of
train
from
【在 Y**s 的大作中提到】
: is there some sort of study that says asians have better hand-eye
: coordination than the whites or the blacks?
: Again, gymnastics is a lot of hard work. I tend to believe that in the past
: , Chinese national team is much better organized than the national teams of
: some other organizations - just look at how the Chinese handpick then train
: their gymnists since extremely young and painfully weed out the better from
: the best... You can compare this to the Soviets back in the 70s and 80s -
: they are e
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J****0
发帖数: 2400 | 15 你还是没法证明亚洲人打网球有先天优势...
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: The point is China did the same thing to soccer, and earned
: nothing...
: At least it means for sports like gymnastics, diving, pingpong
: and badminton (where absolute strength is not that important --
: gym kinda need short and strong though), organized training
: would yield something. It could very well happen to tennis too.
:
: past
: of
: train
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 16 What about all those 杂技 then? Chinese usually dominate the
international 杂技 events and the audiences love that.
Those people show great balance, flexibility and coordination
ability. I still believe there are some genetic reasons involved.
meals |
Y**s
发帖数: 1632 | 17 I don't know much about Chinese soccer. Japan and Korea seems to did OK.
Heck even NORTH Korea did OK! So I can only attribute it to Chinese's
incompetency. lol
Just because strength is not important doesn't automatically mean Chinese
has an advantage. If China trains their tennis players like they do with
their gymnists then I'm sure they can get a few stars. But to be the *TOP*
player requires more than just hard work. There are plenty of Chinese
basketball players that have the body bu
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: The point is China did the same thing to soccer, and earned
: nothing...
: At least it means for sports like gymnastics, diving, pingpong
: and badminton (where absolute strength is not that important --
: gym kinda need short and strong though), organized training
: would yield something. It could very well happen to tennis too.
:
: past
: of
: train
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B******a
发帖数: 601 | 18 How much can 杂技 people earn? It is money driven issue. Same thing for
weight-lifting and some unpopular sports.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: What about all those 杂技 then? Chinese usually dominate the
: international 杂技 events and the audiences love that.
: Those people show great balance, flexibility and coordination
: ability. I still believe there are some genetic reasons involved.
:
: meals
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T******n
发帖数: 1131 | 19 Wu Di lost in the first round of a Challenger qually. He got nothing from
this trip to Aptos. Besides so called “经验”, this trip is a failure.
His goal should be to earn enough points so that he doesn't have to play
quallies again, and eventually gets into a slam main draw without any favors
from anybody.
activities
【在 B******a 的大作中提到】
: How much can 杂技 people earn? It is money driven issue. Same thing for
: weight-lifting and some unpopular sports.
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B******a
发帖数: 601 | 20 In order to avoid qualified match, the player needs to be around top 100. By only playing F-tournament, they can not earn enough points. To play challenge, your opponents are much tough. 经验 is important too. That is the reason our proud national soccer team go to Europe to play the first tier teams.
favors
【在 T******n 的大作中提到】
: Wu Di lost in the first round of a Challenger qually. He got nothing from
: this trip to Aptos. Besides so called “经验”, this trip is a failure.
: His goal should be to earn enough points so that he doesn't have to play
: quallies again, and eventually gets into a slam main draw without any favors
: from anybody.
:
: activities
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Y**s
发帖数: 1632 | 21 To be blunt - Chinese woman seems to be pretty good at weight lifting - why?
Because few westerners are willing to sacrifice their body for such a dumb
event, but the poor peasant Chinese girl who didn't have anything before,
got brainwashed and now does it for their motherland at the expense of their
body. If this is the so-called advantage, then more power to them... |
K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 22 OK, let's do a 工科男推理。
0. Let's leave blacks out since they are generally not interested
in tennis. Let's also leave Spanish out for the sake of simplicity.
1. Average Asian reacts and accelerates faster than average
Caucasian.
2. Asians show great touch in other racket sports, such as pingpong,
badminton.
3. Asians have higher average IQ than Caucasian, and therefore
they should be smarter in game plans, such as Chang's underhand
serve.
4. It's true that Asians are shorter and thinner, but Asian
【在 J****0 的大作中提到】
: 你还是没法证明亚洲人打网球有先天优势...
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O*****g
发帖数: 1257 | 23 very well said!
why?
dumb
their
【在 Y**s 的大作中提到】
: To be blunt - Chinese woman seems to be pretty good at weight lifting - why?
: Because few westerners are willing to sacrifice their body for such a dumb
: event, but the poor peasant Chinese girl who didn't have anything before,
: got brainwashed and now does it for their motherland at the expense of their
: body. If this is the so-called advantage, then more power to them...
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Y**s
发帖数: 1632 | 24 rofl what kind of "推理" are these?!! These are *assumptions*, and really
bad ones at that...
definitely 工科男
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: OK, let's do a 工科男推理。
: 0. Let's leave blacks out since they are generally not interested
: in tennis. Let's also leave Spanish out for the sake of simplicity.
: 1. Average Asian reacts and accelerates faster than average
: Caucasian.
: 2. Asians show great touch in other racket sports, such as pingpong,
: badminton.
: 3. Asians have higher average IQ than Caucasian, and therefore
: they should be smarter in game plans, such as Chang's underhand
: serve.
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m*****r
发帖数: 3822 | 25 politically incorrect ah...
why?
dumb
their
【在 Y**s 的大作中提到】
: To be blunt - Chinese woman seems to be pretty good at weight lifting - why?
: Because few westerners are willing to sacrifice their body for such a dumb
: event, but the poor peasant Chinese girl who didn't have anything before,
: got brainwashed and now does it for their motherland at the expense of their
: body. If this is the so-called advantage, then more power to them...
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Y**s
发帖数: 1632 | 26 In the States this is actually very politically correct. :D
Now I'm going to go outside and hug a tree...
【在 m*****r 的大作中提到】
: politically incorrect ah...
:
: why?
: dumb
: their
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T******n
发帖数: 1131 | 27 There are different levels of main draw.
Wu Di's current ranking would be enough for him to go into a futures main
draw.
A win in a futures would give him 27 points, which is a lot in the Pro
Circuit world.
Once he accumulates enough points and improves his ranking, he can get into
a Challenger's main draw. Then he can earn his spurs there.
Once he has a decent record in the Challengers, he would do better in lower
ATP tour events or even pass through a slam's qually.
This is how Pro Circuit wo
【在 B******a 的大作中提到】
: In order to avoid qualified match, the player needs to be around top 100. By only playing F-tournament, they can not earn enough points. To play challenge, your opponents are much tough. 经验 is important too. That is the reason our proud national soccer team go to Europe to play the first tier teams.
:
: favors
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 28 Yeah, it's similar to playing a video game. The best strategy is
to maximize the total points.
If one thinks he has better chance in reaching an ATP1000 event
2nd round than winning a futures event, he should attend the
ATP1000 event.
For Wu Di, it means winning 4 matches in a row with opponents
typically ranking between 50-200. For Mardy Fish (#49), it means
winning 1 match.
into
lower
【在 T******n 的大作中提到】
: There are different levels of main draw.
: Wu Di's current ranking would be enough for him to go into a futures main
: draw.
: A win in a futures would give him 27 points, which is a lot in the Pro
: Circuit world.
: Once he accumulates enough points and improves his ranking, he can get into
: a Challenger's main draw. Then he can earn his spurs there.
: Once he has a decent record in the Challengers, he would do better in lower
: ATP tour events or even pass through a slam's qually.
: This is how Pro Circuit wo
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Y*******o
发帖数: 1513 | 29 1 out of 128? 那也太无聊了吧。。。
顶多像现在奥运一样的，一个国家最多4 out of 64。
【在 s**h 的大作中提到】
: 感觉女175男180打网球还是太矮了。现在这几个中国男球员不知道有多高。
: 不过到时候中国一统天下可能atp会限制每个国家只能两人参加大师系列赛，
: 限定只能一人参加大满贯。就像现在乒羽搞得那样,hoho。
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Y*******o
发帖数: 1513 | 30 他参加的ATP1000就是IW，而且是李娜帮他搞到的外卡
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Mostly futures.
: http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Wu/D/Di-Wu.aspx?t=pa
: One challenger event, and he passed all 3 qualifying rounds.
: He even attended one ATP1000 event and lost in the 1st qualifying
: round.
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A*****r
发帖数: 795 | 31 是资格赛外卡
【在 Y*******o 的大作中提到】
: 他参加的ATP1000就是IW，而且是李娜帮他搞到的外卡
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A*****r
发帖数: 795 | 32 高尔夫还有希望，
网球不可能，中国出几个球星不难，要统治是完全不可能的，
亚洲人总体上体质上的差异还是太大了
【在 a*****0 的大作中提到】
: 高尔夫，网球，其实是很适合亚洲人的运动。都是对个人mind要求极高的. 只要有这个
: 文化，会象羽毛球一样被亚洲人独霸。
: 现在是被人统治的运动，所以必须出来练。 等下一代中国的网球运动员上来， 女的
: 175cm左右，男的180cm左右，就会有男的入前100了。
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t**********d
发帖数: 168 | 33 The difference between pingpong and tennis is that the momentum of the
pingpong ball will never influence your swing no matter how fast it is in my
opinion. But fast travel tennis ball will. You need a very strong body plus
the quick reaction to return a 100+mph serve and 80+mph raley.
There are a few top 30 players from asia and even an FO champion. However,
from them, I cannot see any obvious advantage over europians. |
m*********e
发帖数: 944 | 34 宫茂鑫在Kentuky打challenger, 苦战三轮qually, 好不容易打入正赛，结果第一轮输
给比自己高200名的，只挣到qually的三分。 他若是老老实实的打futures, 四场下来
可以挣八分。不知道他两个challenger下来有何感想。希望以后还来美国比赛。
只有常雨一个人在打futures. |
